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My respect for Nintendo would go through the roof if they laid one of their most valuable and beloved IPs to a dignified rest after just a few installments rather than whoring it out until nobody cares about it.
Alas.
Alas.
And even now, there is no solace for the yearning completionist, for even though Gold and Silver are reborn, the series will continue, for the first time on the same system (unless they whip out a DS2 damn quick).
Seems like other Pokemon generation is better. I know I didn't like Ruby/Sapphire for all the little needless events it added, but when Generation IV came along things got rebalanced for the better on the battle end again. HG/SS seems to refine Generation IV even further, so HG/SS seems to be coming at a time where Generation IV is only getting better.
At the rate there going, there may be nothing to improve on in Generation V.
At the rate there going, there may be nothing to improve on in Generation V.
Well, Gold and Silver were the last games in the Pokemon series that I played, so it kind of was the finale for me. *shrug*
...and I think that there are a lot of people like me, who never made it over to the third generation. I guess we experienced Pokemon the way it was intended. :D
...and I think that there are a lot of people like me, who never made it over to the third generation. I guess we experienced Pokemon the way it was intended. :D
Ending the series with Gold/Silver would have worked great. It really got out of control after that. Theres like almost 500 pokemon now right? How many of the games do you need to own to "catch em all?" Still, Pearl/Platinum are pretty good games, I'll enjoy HG/SS when they release.
A new series with brand new 150 pokemon, (and that's it!!) would be welcomed though. With crazily opened arms.
A new series with brand new 150 pokemon, (and that's it!!) would be welcomed though. With crazily opened arms.
I wish that had happened. The franchise needs to be rebooted asap as it has become a monster. Oh well, life goes on.
Lugia is Blatantly Superior To Ho-Oh aka Special Edition Moltres. Lugia has Freakin AeroBlast In Silver/SoulSilver so obviously it's the superior version.
you know, i'm kind of glad they've kept going with the main games, and even some of the spin-offs have been pretty good (pinball, puzzle challenge/league), but damn, there has been some crap with pokemon slapped on it.
Pokemon Rumble on WiiWare is my fave spinoff game. Its pretty cool, and it only has generation one and generation 4 pokemon, so its not overkill. I think they have a demo up, don't they?
I've played tons of pokemon from each generation and I think they should have stopped at Gold & Silver, honestly. Oooooooh well.
The first 2 generations were the best :D I remember seeing Ho-oh in episode 1 of the TV show, and I was like OMG WHAT IS THAT?! everytime they showed more pokemon from the 2nd generation (togepei, donphan, snubbull, Ho-oh) I was so excited because there were pokemon that existed outside of the known fiction, and my friends and I took that as that there were countless pokemon still to be discovered :D Ah.... But then Ruby/Sapphire came out, and it was neat, but it didn't do much for me, so I also ignored Pearl/Diamond. I don't know if I grew out of it, as I plan on getting HeartGold tomorrow, but I did lose the awesome sense of Nostalgia that the first 2 games got me.
honestly G/S is the series finale for most pokemon fans already lol. Ruby/Sapphire was horrible coming off of Gold/Silver. Diamond/Pearl is good but it's sure not R/B/G/S good.
That's actually very fitting. As one of those "crazy" Pokemon fans, I've bought and enjoyed every game in the core RPG series. After putting down Platinum before finishing it, and growing tired of my import copy of the Gold/Sliver remakes, I realized that this is *my* end to the series. The combat has grown stale and repetitive, and I'm sure as hell not playing it for the story. Tacking on new Pokemon to the already ridiculous number isn't a draw anymore. So I think I'm finally done wit Pokemon. Too bad the Pokemon team don't get to decide like that.
To me, Ishihara's quote does not say that G/S were going to be the final entries in the franchise; rather, it says that HE was done with the games. He even goes on to say ...
[Commenting on the success of the games]
"No, it didn’t turn out to be the finish line! (laughs) Once we’d released Gold and Silver and it was selling even faster than Red and Green, I couldn’t very well get off the ride halfway through saying: “Nice work everyone. Good luck from here on in!"
[Commenting on the success of the games]
"No, it didn’t turn out to be the finish line! (laughs) Once we’d released Gold and Silver and it was selling even faster than Red and Green, I couldn’t very well get off the ride halfway through saying: “Nice work everyone. Good luck from here on in!"
I would've been absolutely okay with GameFreak stopping there. Instead of Ruby and Sapphire, maybe we'd have a good game. Like a Pulseman sequel!
Gen1 and 2 will always be my favorite of the Pokemon game franchise, I honestly wished that they would've just left it at G/S. It was the pinnacle of Pokemania. :) Looking forward to the remakes though! Now... Time to decide on a starter. ^^
I just recently started playing Pokemon again last month, I'm about 185 hours into Platinum. I actually forgot how addictive it was, the last generation of Pokemon I had was Gold and Silver and now I have to wait a month for the remakes.
im kind of glad the series went on even though ruby and sapphire sucked and had the most stupid pokemon i think diamond and pearl was pretty good
Weird. Although I absolutely loved G/S (mainly for the metagame stuff), I think Ruby/Sapphire was the high point for me.
@ sprldr - It's not just Nintendo. Activision has probably released more Guitar Heroes in the last 5 years than Pokemon games ever, SE has put out more than 13 Final Fantasy games, etc. People like familiarity, which is obvious when you look at the sales of something like God of War 3 compared to Darksiders/Bayonetta/Dante's Inferno. Hell, God of War 3 might outsell all three combined for all I know.
Anyway...I'm ready to see the series laid to rest. I just can't keep playing the exact same battle system over and over for this long.
@ sprldr - It's not just Nintendo. Activision has probably released more Guitar Heroes in the last 5 years than Pokemon games ever, SE has put out more than 13 Final Fantasy games, etc. People like familiarity, which is obvious when you look at the sales of something like God of War 3 compared to Darksiders/Bayonetta/Dante's Inferno. Hell, God of War 3 might outsell all three combined for all I know.
Anyway...I'm ready to see the series laid to rest. I just can't keep playing the exact same battle system over and over for this long.
Pearl/Diamond/Platinum had the weakest collection of original Pokemon in the whole series.
Gold/Silver, however, had some of the best. And it was practically two games in one!
I don't think it's possible for me to stay away from this game. Hell, even with how much I generally didn't like Diamond/Pearl, I still played it. And then I played Platinum for a bit as well.
I'm pretty sure I'm a Poke-Addict.
I'm not addicted to poking things, I just don't know how to get the accent over the "e."
Gold/Silver, however, had some of the best. And it was practically two games in one!
I don't think it's possible for me to stay away from this game. Hell, even with how much I generally didn't like Diamond/Pearl, I still played it. And then I played Platinum for a bit as well.
I'm pretty sure I'm a Poke-Addict.
I'm not addicted to poking things, I just don't know how to get the accent over the "e."
I stayed away til Diamond so I'm glad it didn't happen.Pokemon were huge when I was in high school but I felt it was too kiddy then.Glad I got to play a pokemon game.
To be honest, I've never even imagined that there may be actual people behind the Pokemon franchise. I always thought that the games just appeared out of some void in space every five-or-so years, ready to get a new generation of people addicted when the old ones fall out.
That said, I'm going to be the skulky looking adult in the corner of GAME next week trying to download the event Arceus to both my copies of Pearl and Platinum, while the children are having fun with balloons and face paints.
That said, I'm going to be the skulky looking adult in the corner of GAME next week trying to download the event Arceus to both my copies of Pearl and Platinum, while the children are having fun with balloons and face paints.
I think you all have a bad case of nostalgia (including Mr. Sterling, which isn't a surprise).
Generation 2 had a lot of things going for it, but it was also unbalanced and introduced some of the most useless monsters in the series.
Generation 2 had a lot of things going for it, but it was also unbalanced and introduced some of the most useless monsters in the series.
As much as I like the series, I wish it had a dodge mechanism for battles, instead of just relying on numbers, sort of like what Super Mario RPG had when you could evede enemy attacks.
Well this creates a conundrum.
If they would have stopped then, the community would cry out "What happened to Pokemon? We want more of it!".
How it stands, people cry out "There's too much Pokemon! Stop making them!".
And if they stop NOW, people will revert back to wanting more.
Sometimes I just feel sorry for developers.
If they would have stopped then, the community would cry out "What happened to Pokemon? We want more of it!".
How it stands, people cry out "There's too much Pokemon! Stop making them!".
And if they stop NOW, people will revert back to wanting more.
Sometimes I just feel sorry for developers.
Every game of every series should be made under the assumption that it is the last of the series. That's how you get the best games!
I'm gonna be Captain Obvious here but, Halo 3 was supposed to close the story yet here we have Halo 3 ODST, Reach and Wars; GoW3 would logically bring that IP to a conclusion and yet there's already talk about another game in that franchise; Resident Evil 3 was supposed to be the end of that IP, after all the town got nuked right? yet here's RE4, RE5, Survivor 1, Survivor 2, REmake, Re Zero and Code Veronica; Last but not least Final Fantasy was supposed to be a stand alone game and the swan song of Square and more than 15 years later before FF13 got released S-E had already announced FF14.
TL:DR = If it makes money it will be milked until it's dry and dead, it's an industry practice.
TL:DR = If it makes money it will be milked until it's dry and dead, it's an industry practice.
@sprldr: As a Zelda fan i'm glad Nintendo gives 2 bits about your respect and actually does care about making quality games out of their IPs instead of just regular sequels and sequels, sure, the core gameplay ideas have remained the same, but everything else has been upgraded and refined with almost every iteration.
@edgydude: Halo 3 is the finale to master chief's story and the "halo, flood, forerunner" storyline, but that leaves room for spin-offs and prequels!
I'd disagree about the series getting mindlessly complicated. You can still play the games the exact same way everybody used to. The only thing that changed was, the anal-retentive competitive scene got a few tools to better adjust their matches to their likings.
@allisonaxe: correct, the real trick of the "extending" of the use of the IP IMO is implementation, it can work if done properly (Halo, Zelda, RE, FF), in other cases just the mere consideration raises some serious questioning about if such a thing is necessary/should be done to begin with (GoW and PoP Sands of Time story arc come to mind) so it must be done really carefully and in the worst case scenario doing it wrong can send a great IP down the crapper due to poor implementation (the best example would be the Sonic IP from Sonic Adventure 2 and on), so personally it think it all falls on the fleshing of the idea/spin-off/prequel.
I always wondered a bit why the new introductees in iterations after G/S kept feeling lamer and more phoned in. I mean, I love a few guys from every generation, but I can't even tell you what 'mons are near other ones on the Pokédex's latter pages anymore. I used to know most of the original 151 by number alone. 250ish would've been a good place to wrap up.
I liked the GBA games... but the DS ones were perhaps the least inspired.
They need to do something different. I'm sure it will sell just as well, if not better since it could attract all the people who are repulsed by the similarity (namely myself).
They need to do something different. I'm sure it will sell just as well, if not better since it could attract all the people who are repulsed by the similarity (namely myself).
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