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Pokemon Gold/Silver were meant to be the series finale photo

Many consider "Generation II" of Pokémon to be the highlight of the pocket monster series, and indeed it does represent the perfect point between depth and convolution, the moment before Pokémon became needlessly complicated and required fifteen spreadsheets in order to maximize its potential. Did you know that Silver and Gold were intended to be the last in the series, too? 

"I worked with the assumption that after we put out Gold and Silver, my work as far as Pokémon was concerned would be done," explains Pokémon Company president Tsunekazu Ishihara. "I didn’t intend to make any more Pokémon titles. I even thought that once we entered the twenty-first century, it would be time for me to do something else entirely.

"I remember that when Gold and Silver were released, I felt like a burden had finally been lifted from my shoulders. We’d had our sights set on the finish line of Gold and Silver for so long, and now that we’d finally completed the major series running right through from Red and Blue, I felt I could say to Tajiri-san: 'I’ve fulfilled my duty!'"

Of course, Pokémon just kept making money, so GameFreak just kept making games, right?

HeartGold and SoulSilver, the remakes of these classic games, are due in stores tomorrow. We're playing it right now for a review, and I'll get that written as soon as I stop building my shrine to Ekans.

Iwata Asks [Nintendo.co.uk via GoNintendo]








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Ramalho's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:08
Ramalho
Well I'm glad he didn't got what he wanted. =)
Renend's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:23
Renend
Send me this game so i can play it?
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:33
covah
well that didn't happen
sprldr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:34
sprldr
My respect for Nintendo would go through the roof if they laid one of their most valuable and beloved IPs to a dignified rest after just a few installments rather than whoring it out until nobody cares about it.

Alas.
TJF588's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:35
TJF588
And even now, there is no solace for the yearning completionist, for even though Gold and Silver are reborn, the series will continue, for the first time on the same system (unless they whip out a DS2 damn quick).
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:40
The Silent Protagonist
Seems like other Pokemon generation is better. I know I didn't like Ruby/Sapphire for all the little needless events it added, but when Generation IV came along things got rebalanced for the better on the battle end again. HG/SS seems to refine Generation IV even further, so HG/SS seems to be coming at a time where Generation IV is only getting better.

At the rate there going, there may be nothing to improve on in Generation V.
LK4O4's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:48
LK4O4
Well, Gold and Silver were the last games in the Pokemon series that I played, so it kind of was the finale for me. *shrug*

...and I think that there are a lot of people like me, who never made it over to the third generation. I guess we experienced Pokemon the way it was intended. :D
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:51
YoTanaka
Ending the series with Gold/Silver would have worked great. It really got out of control after that. Theres like almost 500 pokemon now right? How many of the games do you need to own to "catch em all?" Still, Pearl/Platinum are pretty good games, I'll enjoy HG/SS when they release.

A new series with brand new 150 pokemon, (and that's it!!) would be welcomed though. With crazily opened arms.
kylamity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 09:55
kylamity
Gold/Silver were the best. I personally liked Gold more because of Ho-Oh.
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:11
Jarmel
I wish that had happened. The franchise needs to be rebooted asap as it has become a monster. Oh well, life goes on.
Antwhan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:11
Antwhan
Lugia is Blatantly Superior To Ho-Oh aka Special Edition Moltres. Lugia has Freakin AeroBlast In Silver/SoulSilver so obviously it's the superior version.
trsspidey's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:12
trsspidey
I stopped after Red. As soon as they introduced more pokemon after togapi and mew I was done.
sewerraccoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:17
sewerraccoon
you know, i'm kind of glad they've kept going with the main games, and even some of the spin-offs have been pretty good (pinball, puzzle challenge/league), but damn, there has been some crap with pokemon slapped on it.
YoTanaka's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:25
YoTanaka
Pokemon Rumble on WiiWare is my fave spinoff game. Its pretty cool, and it only has generation one and generation 4 pokemon, so its not overkill. I think they have a demo up, don't they?
Poe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:27
Poe
I've played tons of pokemon from each generation and I think they should have stopped at Gold & Silver, honestly. Oooooooh well.
Davedude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:46
Davedude
The first 2 generations were the best :D I remember seeing Ho-oh in episode 1 of the TV show, and I was like OMG WHAT IS THAT?! everytime they showed more pokemon from the 2nd generation (togepei, donphan, snubbull, Ho-oh) I was so excited because there were pokemon that existed outside of the known fiction, and my friends and I took that as that there were countless pokemon still to be discovered :D Ah.... But then Ruby/Sapphire came out, and it was neat, but it didn't do much for me, so I also ignored Pearl/Diamond. I don't know if I grew out of it, as I plan on getting HeartGold tomorrow, but I did lose the awesome sense of Nostalgia that the first 2 games got me.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:47
Shin Oni
honestly G/S is the series finale for most pokemon fans already lol. Ruby/Sapphire was horrible coming off of Gold/Silver. Diamond/Pearl is good but it's sure not R/B/G/S good.
KupoCheer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:06
KupoCheer
That's actually very fitting. As one of those "crazy" Pokemon fans, I've bought and enjoyed every game in the core RPG series. After putting down Platinum before finishing it, and growing tired of my import copy of the Gold/Sliver remakes, I realized that this is *my* end to the series. The combat has grown stale and repetitive, and I'm sure as hell not playing it for the story. Tacking on new Pokemon to the already ridiculous number isn't a draw anymore. So I think I'm finally done wit Pokemon. Too bad the Pokemon team don't get to decide like that.
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:07
Corduroy Turtle
Nintendo is great at keeping franchises alive. How many Pokémon copycats have come and gone?
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:15
GohanGVO
To me, Ishihara's quote does not say that G/S were going to be the final entries in the franchise; rather, it says that HE was done with the games. He even goes on to say ...

[Commenting on the success of the games]

"No, it didn’t turn out to be the finish line! (laughs) Once we’d released Gold and Silver and it was selling even faster than Red and Green, I couldn’t very well get off the ride halfway through saying: “Nice work everyone. Good luck from here on in!"
Los255's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:15
Los255
R.I.P Generation 2
PixelSith64's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:34
PixelSith64
What the hell is with all of the Ekans references?
Nolan South's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:39
Nolan South
Ekans=Snake backwards

Arboc=Cobra backwards

Muk=___ backwards
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:46
atastysammich
I would've been absolutely okay with GameFreak stopping there. Instead of Ruby and Sapphire, maybe we'd have a good game. Like a Pulseman sequel!
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:57
Thane Vickers
Poke'mon's gonna be the new Sonic, eh?
Kuroya's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:08
Kuroya
Gen1 and 2 will always be my favorite of the Pokemon game franchise, I honestly wished that they would've just left it at G/S. It was the pinnacle of Pokemania. :) Looking forward to the remakes though! Now... Time to decide on a starter. ^^
IamVerificationImage's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:34
IamVerificationImage
I just recently started playing Pokemon again last month, I'm about 185 hours into Platinum. I actually forgot how addictive it was, the last generation of Pokemon I had was Gold and Silver and now I have to wait a month for the remakes.
Xtyler1987X's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:42
Xtyler1987X
im kind of glad the series went on even though ruby and sapphire sucked and had the most stupid pokemon i think diamond and pearl was pretty good
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:45
Electrium
Weird. Although I absolutely loved G/S (mainly for the metagame stuff), I think Ruby/Sapphire was the high point for me.

@ sprldr - It's not just Nintendo. Activision has probably released more Guitar Heroes in the last 5 years than Pokemon games ever, SE has put out more than 13 Final Fantasy games, etc. People like familiarity, which is obvious when you look at the sales of something like God of War 3 compared to Darksiders/Bayonetta/Dante's Inferno. Hell, God of War 3 might outsell all three combined for all I know.

Anyway...I'm ready to see the series laid to rest. I just can't keep playing the exact same battle system over and over for this long.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:48
DinnertimeNinja
Pearl/Diamond/Platinum had the weakest collection of original Pokemon in the whole series.

Gold/Silver, however, had some of the best. And it was practically two games in one!

I don't think it's possible for me to stay away from this game. Hell, even with how much I generally didn't like Diamond/Pearl, I still played it. And then I played Platinum for a bit as well.

I'm pretty sure I'm a Poke-Addict.

I'm not addicted to poking things, I just don't know how to get the accent over the "e."
BalloonFighter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:51
BalloonFighter
I stayed away til Diamond so I'm glad it didn't happen.Pokemon were huge when I was in high school but I felt it was too kiddy then.Glad I got to play a pokemon game.
Axewave's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:59
Axewave
@ DinnertimeNinja

Pokémon!
(in windows, Hold alt and press 0233 on your numpad for the accented-e.)
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 13:16
Discarded Couch Sandwich
To be honest, I've never even imagined that there may be actual people behind the Pokemon franchise. I always thought that the games just appeared out of some void in space every five-or-so years, ready to get a new generation of people addicted when the old ones fall out.

That said, I'm going to be the skulky looking adult in the corner of GAME next week trying to download the event Arceus to both my copies of Pearl and Platinum, while the children are having fun with balloons and face paints.
brimtastic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 13:28
brimtastic
@ allisonaxe

Or simply hold Alt Gr and press E. So much fun.
LoftyTheMetroid's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 13:52
LoftyTheMetroid
I think you all have a bad case of nostalgia (including Mr. Sterling, which isn't a surprise).

Generation 2 had a lot of things going for it, but it was also unbalanced and introduced some of the most useless monsters in the series.
Healerdoc's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 13:55
Healerdoc
As much as I like the series, I wish it had a dodge mechanism for battles, instead of just relying on numbers, sort of like what Super Mario RPG had when you could evede enemy attacks.
SuperDance's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 14:06
SuperDance
Well this creates a conundrum.

If they would have stopped then, the community would cry out "What happened to Pokemon? We want more of it!".

How it stands, people cry out "There's too much Pokemon! Stop making them!".

And if they stop NOW, people will revert back to wanting more.

Sometimes I just feel sorry for developers.
Hcapt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 14:12
Hcapt
Every game of every series should be made under the assumption that it is the last of the series. That's how you get the best games!
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 14:17
EdgyDude
I'm gonna be Captain Obvious here but, Halo 3 was supposed to close the story yet here we have Halo 3 ODST, Reach and Wars; GoW3 would logically bring that IP to a conclusion and yet there's already talk about another game in that franchise; Resident Evil 3 was supposed to be the end of that IP, after all the town got nuked right? yet here's RE4, RE5, Survivor 1, Survivor 2, REmake, Re Zero and Code Veronica; Last but not least Final Fantasy was supposed to be a stand alone game and the swan song of Square and more than 15 years later before FF13 got released S-E had already announced FF14.

TL:DR = If it makes money it will be milked until it's dry and dead, it's an industry practice.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 14:29
EdgyDude
@sprldr: As a Zelda fan i'm glad Nintendo gives 2 bits about your respect and actually does care about making quality games out of their IPs instead of just regular sequels and sequels, sure, the core gameplay ideas have remained the same, but everything else has been upgraded and refined with almost every iteration.
Axewave's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 14:37
Axewave
@edgydude: Halo 3 is the finale to master chief's story and the "halo, flood, forerunner" storyline, but that leaves room for spin-offs and prequels!
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 15:05
Ball Buster
I'd disagree about the series getting mindlessly complicated. You can still play the games the exact same way everybody used to. The only thing that changed was, the anal-retentive competitive scene got a few tools to better adjust their matches to their likings.
shadydentist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:11
shadydentist
No, Gold/Silver required 15 spreadsheets to optimize your pokemon as well.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:35
Dan CiTi
Makes sense, but Pokemon is still pretty good so...it's not so bad.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:36
EdgyDude
@allisonaxe: correct, the real trick of the "extending" of the use of the IP IMO is implementation, it can work if done properly (Halo, Zelda, RE, FF), in other cases just the mere consideration raises some serious questioning about if such a thing is necessary/should be done to begin with (GoW and PoP Sands of Time story arc come to mind) so it must be done really carefully and in the worst case scenario doing it wrong can send a great IP down the crapper due to poor implementation (the best example would be the Sonic IP from Sonic Adventure 2 and on), so personally it think it all falls on the fleshing of the idea/spin-off/prequel.
nekobun's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:36
nekobun
I always wondered a bit why the new introductees in iterations after G/S kept feeling lamer and more phoned in. I mean, I love a few guys from every generation, but I can't even tell you what 'mons are near other ones on the Pokédex's latter pages anymore. I used to know most of the original 151 by number alone. 250ish would've been a good place to wrap up.
HawkeyedOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 16:44
HawkeyedOne
This really doesn't surprise me at all.
MRLN's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/14/2010 11:32
MRLN
I liked the GBA games... but the DS ones were perhaps the least inspired.

They need to do something different. I'm sure it will sell just as well, if not better since it could attract all the people who are repulsed by the similarity (namely myself).
Gilthalas's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/14/2010 12:27
Gilthalas
I've always bought the Pokemon games but the formula seems to just continually get staler. Even the smallest changes would be welcome like 3 different types of starters, as opposed to fire/grass/water.
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