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At this point in time, I feel its going to take more then just "Moar Pokemon" to suck me back in. The franchise died on me after Pokemon Crystal.
This is actually a pretty good way to go about it. I can definitely see some people raging if older gen Pokemon were removed.
Oh fuck. I smell a new DToid feature;
Adam Dork's Pokemon Nature Show.
JUST LOOK AT THAT FUCKING BAT THING.
Adam Dork's Pokemon Nature Show.
JUST LOOK AT THAT FUCKING BAT THING.
Part of me wants to wait for the third version in this set.
The other part is a bit happy that we won't be buffeted by Zubat/Golbat and Geodude/Graveler.
The other part is a bit happy that we won't be buffeted by Zubat/Golbat and Geodude/Graveler.
These new pokemon...
I HATE THEM!!!
I'm not even trying to be a nostalgia whore because I've liked a good amount of pokemon from the first four generations, but so far in the fifth generation, I only like the grass starter.
I HATE THEM!!!
I'm not even trying to be a nostalgia whore because I've liked a good amount of pokemon from the first four generations, but so far in the fifth generation, I only like the grass starter.
@ GeneOB- I don't know, is the 3rd version always that much better? I skipped Platinum, and have no regrets.
I never really cared that I always had the chance to catch a Geodude or Zubat early on, but I'm still pretty bummed about no more static sprites during battles. Most of the new pokemon are pretty sweet looking though, and hopefully half of them won't be as useless ingame as *coughBIDOOF* *WheezePACHIRISU*. Wow, is it dusty in here or what.
What's the point, we probably need just another year and they'll put out a new port for the 3DS. I'm gonna call it right now, let it be documented in Destructoid's archive of comments
I like some of the new Pokemon but I hate some especially that Bat thing and whatever the heck that is on the very right side.
@ HandsomeBeast- I don't know about that. I'm not saying it's not impossible, but I doubt it would be a "port". I could see a new 3DS Pokemon game coming out in 2012, but not before that.
They might be more quick to make a 3rd version of Black/White that has more 3DS enable features, like they did with Crystal and the Gameboy Color, but that would be a death sentence for continued sales of Black/White.
Anyway, I don't want to wait a year or two to play the new Pokemans. I'm even thinking of importing the Japanese build of Black/White.
@ Everyone who hates the new Pokemon- Please, tell me how they are so different from the old Pokemon. I'm curious (that's why they call me whiskers.)
They might be more quick to make a 3rd version of Black/White that has more 3DS enable features, like they did with Crystal and the Gameboy Color, but that would be a death sentence for continued sales of Black/White.
Anyway, I don't want to wait a year or two to play the new Pokemans. I'm even thinking of importing the Japanese build of Black/White.
@ Everyone who hates the new Pokemon- Please, tell me how they are so different from the old Pokemon. I'm curious (that's why they call me whiskers.)
Bah, this is disappointing cause it's merely a cosmetic change. In fact, it could make the game worse in the long run because that means you'll have to go out of your way to see a decent variety of species, and it'll probably involve using a special tool to chase sparkly patches of grass again. With 600+ species, they finally have the chance to permanently mix things up and they're throwing it away instead.
But this isn't where the series's main issues lie anyway. Pokemon's main troubles lie in intrusive HMs, severely limited TMs, and a buttload of options and creativity tightly belted down by the same old 4-move 6-member battle system. Triple Battles aren't going to fix that; in fact, they may be awkward since they demand versatility, and Pokemon stuck with 4 moves each are largely restricted to one battle style. But they probably aren't going to show up that often anyway, just like how Double Battles have barely ever been relevant except for when Nintendo insists they are.
Sometimes I wonder if Pokemon would be as popular as it is if Pro Action Replay didn't exist. Seriously, the save editing community is huge.
But this isn't where the series's main issues lie anyway. Pokemon's main troubles lie in intrusive HMs, severely limited TMs, and a buttload of options and creativity tightly belted down by the same old 4-move 6-member battle system. Triple Battles aren't going to fix that; in fact, they may be awkward since they demand versatility, and Pokemon stuck with 4 moves each are largely restricted to one battle style. But they probably aren't going to show up that often anyway, just like how Double Battles have barely ever been relevant except for when Nintendo insists they are.
Sometimes I wonder if Pokemon would be as popular as it is if Pro Action Replay didn't exist. Seriously, the save editing community is huge.
"But this isn't where the series's main issues lie anyway. Pokemon's main troubles lie in intrusive HMs, severely limited TMs, and a buttload of options and creativity tightly belted down by the same old 4-move 6-member battle system."
Hear hear! you can make all sort of cosmetic adjustments but the one thing that will always stay the same...that battle screen. Even in the JRPG world it is antiquated.
I think that just because they are showing a lot of new Pokemon doesn't mean that they won't follow the same formula they've followed with the past few games. It's sorta split 50-50 with old and new. I don't think they will come up with 130+ new pokemon and just forget about the old ones.
Hear hear! you can make all sort of cosmetic adjustments but the one thing that will always stay the same...that battle screen. Even in the JRPG world it is antiquated.
I think that just because they are showing a lot of new Pokemon doesn't mean that they won't follow the same formula they've followed with the past few games. It's sorta split 50-50 with old and new. I don't think they will come up with 130+ new pokemon and just forget about the old ones.
"But this isn't where the series's main issues lie anyway. Pokemon's main troubles lie in intrusive HMs, severely limited TMs, and a buttload of options and creativity tightly belted down by the same old 4-move 6-member battle system."
Hear hear! you can make all sort of cosmetic adjustments but the one thing that will always stay the same...that battle screen. Even in the JRPG world it is antiquated.
I think that just because they are showing a lot of new Pokemon doesn't mean that they won't follow the same formula they've followed with the past few games. It's sorta split 50-50 with old and new. I don't think they will come up with 130+ new pokemon and just forget about the old ones.
Hear hear! you can make all sort of cosmetic adjustments but the one thing that will always stay the same...that battle screen. Even in the JRPG world it is antiquated.
I think that just because they are showing a lot of new Pokemon doesn't mean that they won't follow the same formula they've followed with the past few games. It's sorta split 50-50 with old and new. I don't think they will come up with 130+ new pokemon and just forget about the old ones.
@Jonathon homes
im trying to come up with reasons why I don't like the new pokemon, but I can't really come up with reasons I just don't.
I guess some of them already look like existing pokemon (I see bidoof, ho-oh and larvitar in that picture) but the new ones are just more annoying to me I guess. Some pokemon seem to have jumped the shark (goth christmas tree, sarcophagus, and dual gears). There's the boring ones (chinchilla and pigeon) and the ones that are maybe too weird (goth Christmas tree, floaty heart pig). And also the new pokemon are trying too hard to be cute. Sure the old games had cute pokemon, but compare the starters of all five generations, and they slowly get more cuddly
im trying to come up with reasons why I don't like the new pokemon, but I can't really come up with reasons I just don't.
I guess some of them already look like existing pokemon (I see bidoof, ho-oh and larvitar in that picture) but the new ones are just more annoying to me I guess. Some pokemon seem to have jumped the shark (goth christmas tree, sarcophagus, and dual gears). There's the boring ones (chinchilla and pigeon) and the ones that are maybe too weird (goth Christmas tree, floaty heart pig). And also the new pokemon are trying too hard to be cute. Sure the old games had cute pokemon, but compare the starters of all five generations, and they slowly get more cuddly
@ Jonathan Holmes - Platinum improved the plot line around Team Galactic and their leader. In DP, they came off as a bunch of Children of the Corn wrapped in tinfoil with no real objective than generic world domination. In Platinum, while the grunts still reflect that, the leader reveals he doesn't give a damn about the whole organization, including his executives and wants his own dimension to destroy the normal one and remake it in his own view where he is god.
While it won't win any awards for originality, it made playing through Platinum again more interesting. Being able to refight gym leaders and the elite four with upgraded teams at any time you wish also helped in stifling the post Elite Four doldrums. There were other subtle refinements which improved from DP, like speeding up Surf's moving speed.
While it won't win any awards for originality, it made playing through Platinum again more interesting. Being able to refight gym leaders and the elite four with upgraded teams at any time you wish also helped in stifling the post Elite Four doldrums. There were other subtle refinements which improved from DP, like speeding up Surf's moving speed.
I know the games are different in their own unique way but let's put it this way, you gotta dig pretty damn deep to find it. The formula has remained unchanged since the first one, the story is pedestrian AT BEST, and frankly them finally adding animation to the pokemon in battle should NOT be fourth generation news. It should have been that way for a long time now.
So while yes, there are differences, the overwhelming sense of deja vu compiled with the games NOT getting better, just longer, has me throwing up my arms and not giving a shit anymore. It makes me an asshole, yes. But when the strong feelings of Deja Vu has prevented me from beating any iteration past Red, then yes, it's a problem.
So while yes, there are differences, the overwhelming sense of deja vu compiled with the games NOT getting better, just longer, has me throwing up my arms and not giving a shit anymore. It makes me an asshole, yes. But when the strong feelings of Deja Vu has prevented me from beating any iteration past Red, then yes, it's a problem.
Automatic Grammatizator: You're kidding right?
Take the size of the Pro Action Replay community, raise it to the 5th power, and you have the amount of kids who just buy this game, just to play it. Not counting the metagame community which shits on stuff like Action Replay.
I have to agree though. HMs need to go away, or at least not as required.
TMS should stay harshly limited though. I don't need Mewtwo's running out with Wobbufett move sets.
Take the size of the Pro Action Replay community, raise it to the 5th power, and you have the amount of kids who just buy this game, just to play it. Not counting the metagame community which shits on stuff like Action Replay.
I have to agree though. HMs need to go away, or at least not as required.
TMS should stay harshly limited though. I don't need Mewtwo's running out with Wobbufett move sets.
@ GeneOB- All of that sounds great, and I think the new forms for Giratina and Shaymin are cool too, but not "play a 50 hour RPG again, and pay $30 for it too" cool.
@ sheppy- To me, it just sounds like you're done with Pokemon. That doesn't make you an asshole. Me, one of my favorite things about games, or about anything really, is character design. For me, that's what Pokemon is about; new game, new +100 character designs, and I get my money's worth.
I'll stop playing Pokemon the day they stop making new characters, or the day that all the Pokemon start looking space marines, or school girls, or Ben Affleck.
@ sheppy- To me, it just sounds like you're done with Pokemon. That doesn't make you an asshole. Me, one of my favorite things about games, or about anything really, is character design. For me, that's what Pokemon is about; new game, new +100 character designs, and I get my money's worth.
I'll stop playing Pokemon the day they stop making new characters, or the day that all the Pokemon start looking space marines, or school girls, or Ben Affleck.
Oh god, HMs. Honestly, I only liked Surf and Waterfall being infinite because of the potency of the attacks. But it annoys me so much when you need stuff like Rock Climb, Strength or even Cut just to advance in a dungeon and then realizing you don't have a Pokemon that knows that move.
@everyone who hates the new Pokémons: It is rumored that the creator of Pokémon has already created all these characters since the first Pokémon games. In fact, Munna is a proof of this, being referred to in Red/Blue/FireRed/LeafGreen. P.S. A Pokémon region is finally being based on New York City, a state of the US, and you Americans are hating on this game? Shame...
@ Kage56- That's been said about ever new set of Pokemon since Silver/Gold.
It doesn't look like Digimon. You're just not having the emotional response you are accustomed to having when you see some Pokemon. You aren't attached to these guys yet, just like you aren't attached to Digimon. You see them, you don't feel the "Pokemon" feeling you're used to having when you see Pokemon, and your brain explains the lack of Pokemon feeling by saying to you "Hey dude, these look like Digimon."
It's sort of like Capgras Syndrome, only for Pokemon.
It doesn't look like Digimon. You're just not having the emotional response you are accustomed to having when you see some Pokemon. You aren't attached to these guys yet, just like you aren't attached to Digimon. You see them, you don't feel the "Pokemon" feeling you're used to having when you see Pokemon, and your brain explains the lack of Pokemon feeling by saying to you "Hey dude, these look like Digimon."
It's sort of like Capgras Syndrome, only for Pokemon.
Why can't HMs vary in strength depending on the level of the Mon? I mean...I even tried to play SS without an HM slave, and the game shoehorned me into it because...well, I didn't want to be stuck with Cut until Blackthorn, and while 50 power is pretty potent at the start...it's only 10 stronger than Quick Attack and does nothing special. And that's just Cut. Remember when Flash was an HM? D:
In fact, what if you were able to customize HM attributes? Take Cut: Normal element, 50 power, and 30PP. Let's change the element to...Fire. Now the move's got 25PP. Let's boost the attack power to 75. 15PP. Always goes first. 10PP. Chance to confuse. 5PP. Okay, that's a bad example, but I can't think of any way to add attributes to moves and have there be a penalty for balancing other than reducing PP. We can already sorta influence what attacks do by held items (in a way) but there have yet to be more than eight HMs in a single game and at most three of them are seen as great. wtf whirlpool
Or, you know, make HM moves forgettable at any time since you can't get rid of HMs themselves. This was a failsafe for the first gen because (I think) you could PC an HM and then be up a creek stuck somewhere. The game has enough preventive measures to ensure you'd have to really try to get stuck, but why not make the moves forgettable since that's the biggest complaint? Make HMs just reusable TMs, that's all. I mean, they're already that but with the stipulation that you're gonna be weighed down eventually.
In fact, what if you were able to customize HM attributes? Take Cut: Normal element, 50 power, and 30PP. Let's change the element to...Fire. Now the move's got 25PP. Let's boost the attack power to 75. 15PP. Always goes first. 10PP. Chance to confuse. 5PP. Okay, that's a bad example, but I can't think of any way to add attributes to moves and have there be a penalty for balancing other than reducing PP. We can already sorta influence what attacks do by held items (in a way) but there have yet to be more than eight HMs in a single game and at most three of them are seen as great. wtf whirlpool
Or, you know, make HM moves forgettable at any time since you can't get rid of HMs themselves. This was a failsafe for the first gen because (I think) you could PC an HM and then be up a creek stuck somewhere. The game has enough preventive measures to ensure you'd have to really try to get stuck, but why not make the moves forgettable since that's the biggest complaint? Make HMs just reusable TMs, that's all. I mean, they're already that but with the stipulation that you're gonna be weighed down eventually.
New Pokemon are great and all, but can I please, please have a game where the storyline is maybe something other than fighting 8 gym leaders again... then fighting the Elite Four again... just that change would probably be enough to sell me, but giving me even more new Pokemon?
I don't know, I'm just still not feeling it.
I don't know, I'm just still not feeling it.
@LK4O4
Well then, lucky you!! Serebii.net said that the gym leader battles in Black/White aren't as important to the story as they used to be.
Well then, lucky you!! Serebii.net said that the gym leader battles in Black/White aren't as important to the story as they used to be.
@Gol-D-Roger
I know, right!? Geodude's so cool that no one even cares that he's lazily designed!! I mean, a rock with arms? Genius!! Yet in Black/White, a puffball with wings and hearts for eyes is more lazily designed than a rock with arms. I think Koromori's design is very creative..
I know, right!? Geodude's so cool that no one even cares that he's lazily designed!! I mean, a rock with arms? Genius!! Yet in Black/White, a puffball with wings and hearts for eyes is more lazily designed than a rock with arms. I think Koromori's design is very creative..
Good news! That always disappoints me and I feel like this gen they're doing a great job with their designs.
First, I thought that those designs were horrifying.
I wondered why they are so bad at designing new pokemon, as opposed to the old ones.
Then, I remembered Jynx.
Now, I like these pokemon much more than I did 3 seconds ago.
I wondered why they are so bad at designing new pokemon, as opposed to the old ones.
Then, I remembered Jynx.
Now, I like these pokemon much more than I did 3 seconds ago.
all the new designs for the new poke'bros are awesome. the starters seemed iffy but all the pokemon revealed since look great. I felt the new pokemon in gen 4 just looked really poor and lazy, almost like fanart or some thing from those old websites that listed a bunch of fake legendaries on them.
The thing about seeing ratata, pidgey etc everywhere is that they are the common 'animals' of the pokemon world. I mean, Sparrows are damn near everywhere, aren't they? It makes sense to find these pokemon all over the place, alongside the region specific ones.
What could be cool is more variation in the individual species of pokemon. Different colors and patterns, small variations in appearance, cry, moveset, behavior, type, etc, based on where you find them. This would reduce the need to design so many new ones (and lets be honest, its hit and miss, although it has been from the start, if you really look objectively), and make all the old ones more interesting.
What could be cool is more variation in the individual species of pokemon. Different colors and patterns, small variations in appearance, cry, moveset, behavior, type, etc, based on where you find them. This would reduce the need to design so many new ones (and lets be honest, its hit and miss, although it has been from the start, if you really look objectively), and make all the old ones more interesting.
That Bat thing is THE BEST.
I'm going to EV it in Speed and Attack, and it's going to raep like you've never seen.
I'm going to EV it in Speed and Attack, and it's going to raep like you've never seen.
@Oishidesu: The new Pokémon aren't lazily designed, they're OVERLY designed. People didn't complain about Geodude simply because he IS a boulder with arms, and that kicks ass. A puff ball with heart eyes and bat wings is just... what the fuck is that exactly? Also, the supposed reference to Munna in first gen, is most likely a reference to Drowzee, seeing as they are the exact same thing.
I'd be excited for this change if I didn't hate the majority of the new Pokémon. People say these look like Digimon because (as a fan of both series), they really do. They've got too many bells and whistles attached to them that detract from any sort of focus they could have. The only good Pokémon revealed so far are the simple ones (like the grass and fire starters; I like the water one too but he's admittedly a bit clunky).
I'd be excited for this change if I didn't hate the majority of the new Pokémon. People say these look like Digimon because (as a fan of both series), they really do. They've got too many bells and whistles attached to them that detract from any sort of focus they could have. The only good Pokémon revealed so far are the simple ones (like the grass and fire starters; I like the water one too but he's admittedly a bit clunky).
Wow, lame. The games would be way better if they would stop making new Pokemon and stick to the original 150, if you ask me...
I'm actually very happy about this. As much as I love the original 150, I think it's great that Game Freak wants to start fresh with the series to some degree. I really hope they'll change some of the gameplay, though, as EVs and IVs really broke the game and made it a lot less fun.
@Klempky
You're funny! :) Geodude is "kickass"? That's one of the funniest things I read today! That's like saying Magneton IS three Magnemites combined, and that makes it badass! Ha ha ha ha ha!... Anyways, have you even checked out the reference I was talking about? The girl said something about "floral" patterns, and I don't remember seeing a Drowzee with a floral pattern in the games, movies, show, manga, or the trading cards!
@mondaysalmon
You really want just the 151 original Pokémons? Go play Red/Blue, while the rest of us wait for Black/White so we can have new Pokémons.
@ajaxender
We don't have sparrows here in Hawaii :'(
You're funny! :) Geodude is "kickass"? That's one of the funniest things I read today! That's like saying Magneton IS three Magnemites combined, and that makes it badass! Ha ha ha ha ha!... Anyways, have you even checked out the reference I was talking about? The girl said something about "floral" patterns, and I don't remember seeing a Drowzee with a floral pattern in the games, movies, show, manga, or the trading cards!
@mondaysalmon
You really want just the 151 original Pokémons? Go play Red/Blue, while the rest of us wait for Black/White so we can have new Pokémons.
@ajaxender
We don't have sparrows here in Hawaii :'(
Having acquired just about every Pokemon you can possibly get in HeartGold (as in, all the ones you encounter on your Pokedex and can trade for), this pleases me. Of the "old" Pokemon in B/W, I hope the go more with the newer guys and less with the originals
Thank god. Sure, It'll suck not having the old school team I want, unless I import, but you know what, running into Pidgeys, and Rattatas, and Caterpies all the time sucked. I'm looking for some new Pokemon, not some old crappy Pokemon that no one actually used. I'm glad that they went this way
I'm glad that we won't see any old pokemon until the game is cleared. Nothing is more annoying than getting a new game just to encounter Zubats and Sentrets.
Also I think what would really start spicing up these games is dual type attacks. Eg: Muddy Water is not just a water type attack but water/ground. This would be a total reset on the strategy of the game, while keeping the elements that we buy pokemon for essentially the same.
Also I think what would really start spicing up these games is dual type attacks. Eg: Muddy Water is not just a water type attack but water/ground. This would be a total reset on the strategy of the game, while keeping the elements that we buy pokemon for essentially the same.
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