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PlayStation Eye is Move's 'big advantage' over Wii photo

Not impressed with PlayStation Move? Think it's a petty "me-too" Wii cashgrab? Think one waggle system is enough? FOOL! Sony is here to explain why PlayStation Move is better than the Wii, and it's all thanks to that most underused of gimmicks, the PlayStation Eye. 

"It's a homegrown technology and we chose it for a number of reasons -- chiefly because of the precision that we knew we could get," says Worldwide Studios VP Scott Rohde. "When you're talking about a game that was demoed like Table Tennis out there, you might be able to play that on another system, but I think we showed very well that you can get that top spin or slice in there and it really feels like you're playing a Table Tennis game.

 "Because of the camera, the PS Eye, we add that whole element of augmented reality. And I think that's a big advantage we have over what the Wii has done to date. That's definitely an audience that we're targeting ... Maybe someone is sitting on the fence about whether or not to upgrade [to PS3] and [Move] could lead them to do it."

I am still not sure Sony will get the audience it's looking for. I know I bought a PS3 because I wanted the things it already has -- great looking traditional games. I'm a little worried that Sony will go motion-crazy in a desperate attempt to corner a market that doesn't exist. Just look at how well Microsoft's attempts with LIPS and that stupid movie game worked. Not well. 

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Pyrex is Metal's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:09
Pyrex is Metal
What is wrong with the controller. It's never failed and is a classic good idea. I'm tired of this motion control, appearence of interactivity even though it's not, bullshit.
superjay779's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:11
superjay779
$ony starting to look desperate.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:12
Brian Slaughter
Waggle in and of itself has never been the problem, though. The problem is the assloads of shovelware that have gone along with it so far with very little in the way of actual quality games that utilize it.

I think there actually IS room for motion controlled gaming if it's done right and hell, who knows, maybe Sony can succeed where Nintendo hasn't. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt on this one until given reason to do otherwise.
Captain Machismo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:14
Captain Machismo
I agree with the silliness that is Sony's trivial rip-off of the Wii's own gimmick. By the way, that is what it always will be, a gimmick. Something that only works in a limited field of use. The PS Eye was a failed concept right from the get go that was more awkward than the likes of peripherals like that of DDR dance pads(either way you're going to look like a complete idiot flailing about in front of your television). So it makes me wonder how Sony figured that using not one but the combination of two awkward/clumsy peripherals would make it BETTER than that of the Wii's original concept of motion controls. I guess if your intention was to look like twice the idiot.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:17
The Silent Protagonist
The Eyetoy is the worst thing to happen to gaming since Virtual Boy, so I don't see how that's going to give Move such a great advantage.

Its bad enough using move makes you look like a retard waving a dildo around, but now you can see on-screen just how retarded you look too.

I mean, they had to move away from "EyeToy" to "Playstation Eye" just to distance themselvee from that trainwreck, but its the same thing all over again. The only promising concept to come of it previously was Eye of Judgment.

Well, until online play consisted of you sitting at a table by yourself with real cards and you had to look back and forth between the table and the TV to see the real board. Sounds a little depraved to me. That's why its going to be a PSP game now, it might actually find an audience.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:20
MaximusPaynicus
I have hopes for Sony's platform, if for no other reason than the fact that it gives an outlet for games like The Conduit and MadWorld to actually succeed, instead of trying to force themselves on Wii owners who, for the most part, had no interest in those kinds of titles.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:22
Occams electric toothbrush
Ugh. The hype machine keeps on keeping on. How about I play the thing and decide then? Before that, shit like this is just noise to me.
Piellar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:26
Piellar
@Sony:

PKAwesome's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:27
PKAwesome
I don't think the Eye is going to be enough for the Move to top the Wii in the motion-control genre alone. Hell, I didn't even know what the PS Eye was before reading this article, so will the average consumers know what it is either?
CrudeDarkness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:29
CrudeDarkness
I just want games for the psmove that are similar to how resident evil4 on the wii played. So far socom 4 could fill that spot. But there are great games like super Mario galaxy and twilight princess that can be mimicked on the psmove. I really really hope that the cost of development on the ps3 is high enough to get rid of the shovelware that plagued the wii.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:31
Nic128
Table tennis argument is relevant to me. Will I buy it? Unlikely.
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:34
jawshoeuh
I'm not a fan of motion control, but there are some potentially cool ideas at play here. Will I buy it? Probably not... but maybe. If the software is enticing enough...
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:34
Sexualchocolate
Seriously, have you seen the party games?

Wii party games - cartoon mii's doing whatever they're doing.

Sony move party games - actually shows a live feed of YOU and augments it with whatever is in your hand.

Come on guys, it's pretty obvious how much cooler that is?! I for one am more excited about augmented reality than Motion control, but BOTH TOGETHER?! Fuck yes.


Also, a note on the word "Waggle" - before Motion plus, Wii was waggle, as in waggle left, down, up or right, or waggle side to side. Now with Motion plus and Move's 1:1 it's a long way from "waggle".

Waggle is almost like the haters word, like calling aeroplanes "propeller birds" despite the fact that very few modern planes use propellers.

It's fucking stupid mindless hating. If you think that move is "waggle" you're a fucking idiot.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:36
Chronic Logic
Obviously $ony is trying to lure Wii gamers, and seeing how much money the Wii made, it's not surprising.
flabzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:51
flabzilla
"Wii party games - cartoon mii's doing whatever they're doing.

Sony move party games - actually shows a live feed of YOU and augments it with whatever is in your hand. "

Actually I prefer mii's and avatars cartoony approach than Sony continual "real" approach because it usually ends up looking really awkward and shit.
Hiltz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 09:57
Hiltz
This whole generation can be summed up in one word: Ironic.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:00
Sexualchocolate
flabzilla
"Wii party games - cartoon mii's doing whatever they're doing.

Sony move party games - actually shows a live feed of YOU and augments it with whatever is in your hand. "

Actually I prefer mii's and avatars cartoony approach than Sony continual "real" approach because it usually ends up looking really awkward and shit.

Really? Have you seen the tech demos?

I think it looks frickin awesome how it augments a sword, tennis racket, gun, etc onto your hands.

Each to their own I suppose.

I've always thought Miis were a bit shit.

I think Cam + Controller is definitely better than Cam OR controller.
Stung47000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:06
Stung47000
If the camera is what makes it so great what is to stop Wii form simply adding a camera? Nintendo probably already thought of this and (so far) decided against it.
WhiteZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:06
WhiteZombie
he he vagina
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:13
Dv8thwonder
You Shape camera makes Move obsolete by default.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:19
Xzyliac
What Piellar said. I don't care about why it's better than the Wii. I just want to be impressed. This far not so much. I have high hopes for this and Natal however I feel both are going to go the way of so many other first party accesoroes.

Fingers crossed.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:19
Shadowiii
I agree with Flabzilla. If I am going to flail my arms around and do dorky things, it's acceptable if my on-screen avatar is a bit childish or exaggerated. It makes the fact I'm flailing my arms around the room less awkward and more "I'm just playing a silly game."
The Move with all it's super graphics for its party games makes me feel like I'm playing a serious game, and I don't WANT to think I'm playing a serious game while I'm flailing all around. I want to be playing a goofy, cartoon game.
Just my 2 cents. That's why playing the Wii hasn't made me feel too dumb around my inlaws, but if I played this all "srsly" I'd probably feel like a moron.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:34
Dv8thwonder
A definite Move in the wrong direction.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:36
Corak
Can't wait till someone can record you from the Playstation Eye and then embarrass you later on by how ridiculous you look.
SithZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:44
SithZombie
This won't be that much better than the wii. Don't drink the kool aid. That said, if you like wiimotes you'll like this.
Brian Slaughter's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:47
Brian Slaughter
Sounds like a lot of people are way too worried about how they look playing a video game in the privacy of their own homes.
teke367's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:52
teke367
Well, I agree that I hope Sony doesn't focus solely on Move and let other aspects suffer. But assuming you'll still be able to play new Uncharteds or God of Wars, etc, whats the big deal? If you have a PS3 and hate motion control, just don't buy a move. If anything, I think the big thing Move and Natal can do is offer a complete system. You won't need a PS3 and a Wii, etc.
Pyrex is Metal's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:54
Pyrex is Metal
@sexual chocolate

seriously? No offense, but, do you, like, work for Sony? I think it's time you answered flat out. Like nintendo and Microsoft not everyhing Sony does is awesome or even good, but you buy into all of it.

Move is fucking stupid, natal is fucking stupid, both companies need to get over this fad and stick with what they're good at, awesome online community (ms) and awesome epic single play gamelay experiances (ps3).
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:55
Chronic Logic
@Brian Slaughter

The government is EVERYWHERE.
seventhevening's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 10:57
seventhevening
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion, Nintendo really dropped the ball with the Motion Plus, and it's support from only three games (that are not shovelware). That device has been out for way too long to have so few games that use it. Nintendo's big failing this generation has been that they ignore 3rd parties completely, Carnival Game and No More Heroes receive about the same amount of support. Both Sony and Microsoft understand the importance of their 3rd party games and throw a ton of weight behind them: Mass Effect 2 and Little Big Planet are excellent examples of this (although recently the latter became first party). If the list of 3rd parties that are develop for Move are actually doing it, and then Sony gives them a marketing push, and enough titles come out that use the damn thing, then it could be fucking awesome.

That's what I'm hoping for, and Sony is already pushing the Move harder than they ever pushed the Eye, so maybe that will happen. But in reality, I kinda expect it to be under-utilized and for it to disappear into obscurity. Which is the same thing I suspect from Natal.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:02
fetusmilk
so i told one of my room mates about the MOVE. and hes played wii before , has ps2 etc but doesnt play to many games, not like i do.

but anyway ,i was describing the on screen "toys" that connect with the controller and it shows you on the screen and stuff. i told him how if you throw the controller in the air the sword would be in the air still connected to the controller on screen etc. told him you could use it in socom 4.
he loved 1-3 and was the only games he played for a long time
and he looked at me dumb founded. "are you serious? thats fucking crazy!" he said. he actually looked excited about it.
then i asked him what he thought about the wii when he played it.
"its not nearly as cool as what you just told me about the MOVE and that on screen camera shit sounds awesome."
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:05
Crunshii
Move is better than Natal and Wii motion+.

there i said it.
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:06
garethxxgod
See this is the kinda shit that deflates my enthusiasm for the Move. I'm hoping that a Move controller will be reasonably priced because if they're expecting me to buy TWO of them on top of the PS Eye, I better not have to spend a fortunes which as much as I like Sony looks like it's going down the cash grab route.
Corduroy Turtle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:10
Corduroy Turtle
Sexual chocolate's mind is too clouded with marijuana smoke to see things clearly.
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:17
Oishidesu
To people who say that the Playstation Move is a Wiimote copycat..........FOOL! Have you not seen their old Move tech demo?! The friggin thing has been in deveploment since 2004 for the PS2! 2 years before the Wii came out!! The reason they didn't release it sooner was because of technology or something.....I forget.
SymphonyX7's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:21
SymphonyX7
If I actually wanted to play table tennis, I'd get a paddle, a ping pong ball, and play with someone else across the table. You simply will never have that tactile feel of hitting a top spin or performing millisecond adjustments to a deft touch slice.
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:21
Strandli
Well, even if they're not making a big success right now, there might be some advantages with this. They're probably testing the water for a motion controlled future, if the Move works well, they'll probably do something similar with PS4.

Also, even if they're not stealing Wii customers right now, they might steal a few WiiHD customers. When the next Wii is announced, they might look at it and think "well, I could just get a PS3".
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:21
BluDesign
I don't give a shit about MOVE. I bought a Wii at launch, sold it last year. The only remote interest I have in NATAL is only there because it's going to integrate with Fable III and my GF really enjoyed the hell out of Fable II.

Beyond that, all this motion control shit is all going to lead to the quick and easy dollar for the manufacturers, which is all they really care about. The inevitable deluge of shovelware will dilute the gene pool of potential players online, but you know what? Doesn't affect me. Doesn't affect you. Think you'll be more accurate and precise on SOCOM 4 with a controller? Bring it and prove the MOVE people right. Only on games where I'm forced to be competitive with someone using motion controls are the only situation where I'll have any interest in how motion controls will become a part of the platform.

As will be proven, the controller will win on this front, as people will inevitably be too lazy or too poor at performing with motion controls to bother sticking with it for long. Yes, the gimmick of playing with motion controls will be darn enticing for people on the short term, but the hard smack of reality in trying to be anywhere near 1:1 on controls for SOCOM will kill interest when people can respond just as fast on a controller.

Worse still, if the motion controls are NOT 1:1 for games of that nature, expect to hear bloody murder if MOVE users are offered auto-aim options for sake of ability to play against better controller-based users.

Otherwise, turn away from this and "MOVE" on. :) These aren't the games you're looking for...
Astalano's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:29
Astalano
@Sexualchocolate

I fucking told you that you'd be defending Sony party games, so hilarious. :)
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:30
fetusmilk
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
people saying sony ripping of nintendo is bullshit,and they need to grow up.
nintendo didnt invent motion controls, PC motion controllers that have been around for years.
ya know those motion control robots they use in hospitals? invented on a computer. not by nintendo.

stop bitching about who copied who, because it gets you nowhere. dont buy it. and ignore the posts if its that big of a problem for you.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 11:58
Mr Andy Dixon
Something I hadn't thought about until now is the fact that Move probably can't support the cheap third-party add-on "peripherals" like the Wiimote does. You know what I mean: the tennis racket snap-on, the baseball bat snap-on, the sword snap-on, etc. Since Move uses the camera, and these add-ons would block the line of site between the camera and the glowing ball, I just can't see them working.

Literally all the Wii players I know besides me (read: my parents and two sets of aunts and uncles [I'm not trying to make a joke, this is true]) bought bundles that included these add-ons and they use them frequently. I always thought they were kind of neat, but didn't think they were worth spending the extra $30 or whatever.

If Sony is trying to market, at least in part, to the "casual" crowd, I wonder how this will affect sales?
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:05
Dv8thwonder
seventhevening said: "Both Sony and Microsoft understand the importance of their 3rd party games and throw a ton of weight behind them"
That's understandable seeing as neither company can produce a quality* 1st party title that rivals Nintendo's franchises in popularity. *fact

They need to court 3rd parties constantly because their own content could never sustain their respective consoles. Never
sprldr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:09
sprldr
The Move is an improved rip-off of the Wii remote and Natal is an improved rip-off of the EyeToy.

I hate all four of them.
Pudge Controls the Weather's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:10
Pudge Controls the Weather
Sony keep going on about the Wii - what's their opinion on Natal?
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:19
Dv8thwonder
Move right outta my life. cookie to whoever gets reference.
El Supremo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:20
El Supremo
Ha-ha!, I already have something far superior: a real tennis table. And real tennis gear too! No stupid gimmick is better than that.

Sheez, I can't believe they're selling us this.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:21
pedrovay2003
I agree with what he's saying 100%, but only when new software is around. So far, it's been nothing but ripping of what the Wii has had since launch, and NO ONE who has a Wii specifically for those types of games are going to buy all this stuff.

And as for the the people complaining about motion controls, yeah, fine we get it. You don't like them. You can quit posting that in EVERY FUCKING STORY centered around the subject. Motion controls aren't a gimmick, they're a legitimate form of input, and they're quite good if the developers make more than a half-assed attempt at utilizing them. They're here to stay for a long time, if not permanently, so get used to it.
TheStripe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:45
TheStripe
@Chocolate -"meaningless hating"

He should know; he's an expert.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2010 12:48
Monodi
Why are they implying that it "will"? The Wii is over 3 years old and they could have already known by then if it's better for whatever reason or not.
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