They do live in tiny little houses after all. The Chinpokomon clip was great, I need to watch that episode again.

What he says about the size is somewhat logical, as far as mere conjecture goes. Considering the Japanese obsession with microsizing their technology, the sight of a huge PS3 may very well scream archaic to them.

Also, TINY COCKS LOLZORZ!

Japan needs more Reducto

When I hear "one-button game," I can only think of Kirby's Air Ride. No thanks.

I was loving Destructoid without you. You said you were done, GTFO.

"I was loving Destructoid without you. You said you were done, GTFO."

The ROFLCOPTER goes, "Swa-swa-swa-swa!"

SUMMA.

summa

Mxyzptlk, agreed that appearance matters.

But, what are the Japanese looking at? Do they turn the console on and then stare at the console instead of the screen? Also, you say that we all do the same thing, but do you know a single person who chose one console over another because of the way it physically looks?

You are right that appearance matters, but the console is supposed to "appear" on your screen, not your tv stand. The "idiots" comment was a bit harsh, but if THIS is what is truly causing the Japanese to buy one console over another, it sounds like they are more interested in something other than gaming.

Awesome 2D game that I think has immeasurably better graphics than Halo 3, but I am not bitter that it wont sell a tenth as well.

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/783/783630p1.html

"If in five years the Wii is still outselling it's nearest competator by 3-9 systems to 1, and the highly detailed 3D game has gone the way of the 2D vs. fighter, will you final get over it?"

Are you serious? You'd actually want to be stuck in mediocrity?

-> Summa: Do you honestly believe games like shadow of the colossus, RE4 or okami are graphically mediocre? Besides, if you genuinely believe the wii will seriously detriment the progress of graphical technology, I think you are more foolish than I give you credit for. I don't think the demand for HD games is going to do anything but inflate, it just so happens at this time the market at large doesn't seem to be quite ready to embrace it. Components significantly surpassing the 360's will be as cheap to manufacture as wii parts in 5 years time, as HD adoption steadily rises. You graphics whores will still get your love.

For all those who like to hate something before they know anything about it, that would be the entire hardcore game collective.

I, along with many others who aren't gaming facists, can imagine lot's of interesting games that only require one button, especially when you combine that with 3D movement.

PaRappa was one of the best Playstation games and is one of the best games made period, so give its creator the benefit of the doubt when he wants to make a game for the Wii, he sort of knows what he's doing. There's a reason why he's making games and you're not.

You so called hardcore gamers are like fundamentalist right wing christians, anything that dares to go in a different direction to the ancient code of accepted gameplay, is instantly branded wrong and unworthy.

The Wii is pissing off the right people as far as I'm concerned, I'm loving watching you lot get left behind.

Sieg heil!

*does the Nazi salute in Summa's direction, for shits and giggles*

One button gameplay can still be innovative. It's not how many buttons, but how the buttons are used. Gears of War did a lot with its A button. Granted, they used a load of other buttons too, but with some context sensitivity, they were able to keep things a lot more simpler than they could have ended up.

Just because a control scheme is streamlined, doesn't mean it can't be unique. Think how many notes there are in music, yet how many songs exist. Only takes a little imagination.

Koei are planning their Wii RPG to be played with just one hand, and I welcome it entirely. Of course, I'd welcome anything that allows me to game and masturbate at the same time, but there you go.

yamabushi says: "One Button! I haven't seen such innovation since Every single 2600 game. Thanks ‘guy who last made a hit game in 1996’!"

I have yet to see you write anything remotely interesting. Flame off, tard.

Aex sez: "Remember the definition of Mediocrity and what is Nintendo embracing? "...just good enough..." (I know, I'm taking the quote extremely out of context, but it's more fun that way :) "

If fun = incendiary. Flame off, also, FanBoy. You're the biggest kissass on this website, and whenever Summa makes a half-baked biased wii-flame out of an article probably picked initially because it's the stupid Japanese not recognizing their own superior design. I guess its a mutually beneficial relationship, there's an ass to kiss and a kissass, hook it up, Aex.

@ Jim - Welcome to Dtoid. We all apologize for Summa and Aex. And by wii all, I mean, those of us who are willing to let the current nintendo and playstation platforms mature a little more before jumping to conclusions.

*sets soapbox aflame*

fin

@TheStripe: So instead of refuting anything we say you just shout insults? Does it make you feel better at night, knowing you provided absolutely nothing to the thread? Nothing at all. Instead of show us that Mediocrity is not the way Nintendo is headed your only defense is to insult? Oh, thats right, Valid points just shrivel in the face on insults, SHRIVEL!!!!

Good job! Unfortunately, I cannot think of the same witty insults you can come up with, Summa Kiss Ass, OUCH! The best I can come up with is, you have Nintendo's balls in your mouth, never questioning anything they do, just taking everything they give you, whether it is shitty or not and you think its GRREEEEAAAATTT! You win this battle of wits, you sly devil, you ;)

@ Canadian Geese:

A hardcore gamer is going to care about the games and features of each system, definitely. But most of any company's consumer base are either going to be the type who gets a system just to play Madden, Halo, GTA, or they want something for the kids. Those people may actually care about whether or not they have room for a particular system in their entertainment center.

The primary reason PS2 did so well in Japan at launch was because it was a cheap, relatively small DVD player. Now they're selling a larger, much more expensive system that uses a format that simply isn't enough of an improvement over the current one to matter to the average buyer. The Sony name and promises of superior power were what they really were banking on, and that ended up just not being enough for a lot of people. Size is just one of several factors here. In any case, this is also just a guy's opinion, not the results of a survey or anything. :)

Sigh, this again.

I think those of us who have opposing viewpoints from summa should just stop posting here, it seems to be encouraging him.

Let him have fun with his 600 dollar paperweight, I'm perfectly fine with my 360 and wii.

Yeah, apologies for the flame. I just couldn't take Previewer slant and fanboy gushing anymore at the moment. So I guess I'll throw some actual content down.

Aex: "Personally, I don't think the Wii will continue to have the success it is having now 5-6 years in the future. "

- I don't know how many generations of console you've seen come and go, but you keep saying "5-6 years in the future, blah blah blah" in 5-6 years, the Wii, the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3 will be losing out to their successors. The only reason the PS2 is still having lots of success is because it's successor is overpriced for the average gamer and has no library to justify the investment. Maybe you're thinking 1-2 years, when the systems begin hitting their stride.

@Brad - If anything, it means game companies will be able to spend MORE on their epics. You have to think that a casual game whose single-player mode is 8 or 9 hours tops is cheaper to develop than a 25 or 30 hour monster, and is bound to be more profitable if we're to believe the cries of "sell-out," so they cost less and make more. Business sense demands devoting more money to R&D, so instead of cranking out a generic epic, actually spend your new cash flow on getting a good story and polishing the controls and mechanics and pushing the system (whichever one it may be) to it's graphical limits, vying for a GOTY. Because those ads for MP:3 Corruption or GTA V emblazoned with GAME OF THE YEAR are going to help sell the system, as well as the casual games that are making money. Would the Xbox have succeeded without Halo? Doubtful. So the goal here might be to make money selling games that aren't necessarily hardcore so you can use that money to make even grander, more immersive epics. I mean, how many of you played the metroid or zelda games? How can you argue that nintendo is going to basically drop some of it's longest-running and profitable IP's to make nothing but parlor games? It makes more sense to me to make money with simpler titles (for which devs are waiting in line to make) and spend that money on making your grander titles stand out from the glut of modern gaming.

@Aex - And for the record "questioning" is different than "calling a sellout at every opportunity."

"Nintendo is devoted to Mediocrity" is at the same time unchallengable and indefensible. The only way to know if Miyamoto and Nintendo are conciously trying to make games of less than stellar quality would be to read their minds. I have a possible challenge; i.e. that consistent mediocrity doesn't make money. You remember Sega, right?

Tempted?

@Aex:

"So, they are going to focus on making games that make them lots and lots and lots of money, to funnel that into games that won't make them as much money? "

Epic games DO make them money because they sell consoles, which in turn, sells more games. It's about creating blockbuster titles with the revenue from smaller games (I NEVER said the first thing about quality, just because a game is casual doesn't make it mediocre) in order to push a highly profitable console with a highly profitable library. Words like "Epic" and "Casual" and "Hardcore" have no bearing on quality. In fact, I think I stated outright "consistent mediocrity doesn't make money." And they're not embracing mediocrity, anyway. They're still devoted to making good games, even if they're not marketed at you, and I think you're going to see nintendo shine in the next couple of years. They've basically eleminated competition by making offerings to an untapped market. Just because this is so doesn't mean that the next Zelda game is going to be mediocre and aimed at grandma. Nintendo understands that while the hardcore portion of the market is the smallest, we spend FAR more money per capita than the rest of the market. Making games the hardcore market embraces is still profitable.

"I never said they were "Devoted to Mediocrity" I just said they were "Embracing it". "

You meant devoted, as in "producing nothing but". All consoles are embracing mediocrity. How many platforms can you get Open Season on? There wouldn't be anything to play on the PS3 if sony hadn't embraced mediocrity.

"On the mediocrity part, if highly detailed 3d games have gone the way of the 2d fighter, that would mean only non-highly detailed 3d games would be left. How is not shooting for excellence, not mediocrity?"

This statement wrongly asserts that 3D games are automatically excellent, which I assure you is not the case. Whomever made the original point was talking about the end of 3D gaming, I believe, not that they'd just all of a sudden stop making pretty graphics for them. You're also ignoring the given within the statement that "if . . 3D games go the way of the dodo," that they're mediocre. That's why they'd be going the way of the dodo.

It doesn't really matter to what your 5-6 year statement was in response. It still says the same thing; that at the end of a console's life, it doesn't have the popularity it does during it's heyday. You really love to tweak your arguments every time someone disagrees with you. 5-6 years is the life of the console. And your blanket comment "I don't think the Wii will continue to hold the popularity it has now 5 years down the road," is just so blatantly obvious it hurts. OF COURSE IT WON'T. IT WILL BE ON THE VERGE OF BEING REPLACED BY THE NEXT BIG THING. You insisting that 5-6 years is something other than what I say it is doesn't change the fact that 5-6 years is the life of a console.

Semantics, semantics, semantics. Maybe you should throw a little logic in there, too.

Oh, and since you're always blindly following Summa, you're looking forward to Mario Strikers, too.