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PlayStation 1: The audiophile's dream? photo

Sometimes we get these tips that come out of left field. We got one late last night from reader Riku, who talks about his dad's unusual acquisition for his high-end audio setup:

Hi!

My father's hobby is to search for "the perfect sound" making him a high-end audiophile. I was very surprised when I saw an old Playstation 1 (Version SCPH-1001/2) plugged into his super expensive audio rig. He told me, that that particular version of the console has RCA-inputs in the back which has a superb sound output. The console has become an underground sensation in the Hi-Fi scene. He told me to check out some articles at 6moons.com, an audiophile website.

So wait, the old beatup PS1 that I gave to my friend is a high-end audiophile machine? There's no way this can be true! Yet Riku was kind enough to provide us some links from 6moons that talk about the power of Sony's debut console. In one article:

During all this audio fun, my pal Pete Riggle stopped by with an audio underground digital favorite, the Sony PlayStation 1 (Model No. SCPH-1001). I had heard rumors of just how good this particular version of the PS1 is when used as a CD player and was curious to give it a listen. This kid's video game player really does have outstanding audio performance. I'm guessing you'd have to spend more than $6000 on a one-box CD player to equal let alone better it.

$6000? To eBay and beyond (the jump)!

[Thanks for the wonderful pic, Dyson!]

I'm impressed that Sony put together such high-end parts in the PlayStation 1 that it could produce such quality sound. Running a quick search on eBay for SCPH-1001 brings up consoles priced at $5-$35, way below the $6000 equivalent system. Another article provided to us says:

The Sony Playstation 1 SCPH-1001 is another giant killer that's a darling of the audio underground. If you're looking for audio sonic fireworks, the PS1 might not be your cup of tea but if you're looking for an outstandingly musical digital front end that can play music better than just about every multi-kilobuck digital source, look no further - way recommended.

Now, I want to ask all our audiophile readers out there (i.e. Dale North): what about the PlayStation 2 and PlayStation 3? Do these two later iterations of Sony's console keep up the good work and provide a great deal for audiophiles? Or instead, did Sony only provide mediocre parts for your sound system?


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spameggspam's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/07/2007 23:20
spameggspam
does anyone remember the ps2 commercial where they show like ps8 or something...
and then theyre like "the future starts here" and shows the ps2

i remember thinking wow yeah playstations are going to be around for a long time...
spameggspam's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/07/2007 23:21
spameggspam
ouch... sorry bout that
im barely in wireless reception here so its slow as balls
Reticuli's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 00:28
Reticuli
Being an audiophile, I can tell you most audiophiles are a little full of shit. I've been in a room of Stereophile, Absolute Sound, and other audiophilia writers and been the only one who could tell when a particular engineer for a particular high-end company tried to fool us into thinking he'd switched experimental audio cables. I called him on it and no one else had made a peep. I also called this engineer on the concept of using an expensive and elaborate charged-dielectric instead of just using differential input/output amps and cheap XLR cables for balanced signals...by the way, that would remove any significant effect of cabling. The engineer thought I was talking about push-pull main amplifiers verses single-ended ones.
Reticuli's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 00:32
Reticuli

You know that feeling when you've just exposed a supposed well-regarded professional of their limits of competence or knowledge and the blood rushes to your face in embarrassment for them, your skin gets prickly, and you feel a little lite-headed? Yeah, that's what it felt like. I felt embarrassed being an audiophile with some of the notable our community sitting there with blank faces. Most of these audiophile types are essentially rich SOB's who have never spent any time around quality budget equipment or true pro gear. Rather, they are WASPY types that buy this stuff like it were furniture. The writers all come from lifestyle magazine backgrounds and other non-intellectual/non-professional audio circles. They have been spoiled by a lot of expensive gear that usually does sound good, but not necessarily great. The one person who actually knows their shit might be the editor of the rag, and that's it. You can't really trust the majority of these writer's tastes when it comes to sound. At the audiophile conventions, it’s often 3 or 4 of the more unknown companies that produce astounding set-ups, not the large showrooms rented out by the famous ones that all these people flock to when they first arrive.
Reticuli's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 00:33
Reticuli
Case in point: the PS1. Now this is not a bad player. It was my first CD player I ever owned and served me well for many years. The sound is unique and a good addition to one's collection of Redbook players if you're interested in having each with a different vibe or taste, if you will. It's a quality, above-average mid-fi unit. Poor low-level resolution and a slightly forward, shouty midrange, but it does little else wrong. The bass purity/lack of boominess and lack of grain is definitely audiophile grade. Excellent transparency. But it lacks warmth, low-level resolution, and the mids' dynamics are noticeably compressed and forward. It's like if you took a motion picture film of 5000 lines of resolution, dust-busted and noise-reduced it heavily, then scanned it to DVD's 500 lines of resolution, and then boosted the saturation of the colors but not the sharpness. There's no low-level texturing at all. Now, in a way, that's kind of rare in an interesting manner. AKM"s newest DACs artificially boost the obviousness of details to give the appearance of more resolution, rather than actually fleshing out even lower level detail. It’s a bit like taking a DVD and boosting the video high frequencies rather than just getting the BluRay disk, instead. It doesn’t have more detail, but it pops out more. In the sonic equivalent, it’s great for mixing sound, but bad for mastering work or recreational listening…well, in comparison to better DACs out there. They’re still better than the average mid-fi ones. With the PS1, it's nice to hear an AKM that does the opposite of their current DACs for once.
Reticuli's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2007 00:34
Reticuli
HOWEVER, few of those reviewers know how to evaluate it. The separate RCA outputs have a second set of volume-controlling opamps that degrade the sound, making it more murky and unrefined...the sound should be far from murky. You actually have to either remove this stage or use the AV Multi Out with something like the original Sony S-Video cable. The AV Multi Out is fed directly by the first set of opamps. The S-Video Multi Out cable is also quite well made. If you start getting into modding the original first-stage opamps or the power supply, then we're getting away from the original sound of the 1001 Playstation. If you're going to judge the merits of the sound we loved when we were teens, stick to the unaltered device.
aleste81's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/20/2007 01:14
aleste81
Reticuli, you are now officialy my all time hero.
I have register on this site just to say that.
double2's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/29/2007 04:43
double2
WORDS!
xPRESS's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2007 03:02
xPRESS
Reticuli has just owned this thread.
dragongoff's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2007 12:47
dragongoff
I think I get it now. I tried the 5501 model and old PS1 that my son had 5 tears ago, through a Panasonic DA7 mixer and some Mackie studio monitors, the HR824. I have a recording studio wtih some hi end equipment. A Denon deck and other lower end CD players. For those of you old enough to remember the sound of a jukebox, playing a CD through a playstation gets this sound as compared to a high end home stereo. It's not necessarily better it's just different. The components in a full sized jukebox where cheap pieces, when they were made back in the 50's and 60's but now some of the speakers like old Jensens are sought after and command a high price.The juke box had a large full sound for some reason. This is what the playstation sound reminds me of.Sort of like a cheap effects pedal that for some reason gave somebody who stumbled upon it a hit song.Then everyone gets in on it and the price goes up.Like an effects pedal, the playstation needs certain components to sound it's best to achieve that "audiophile sound" In a recording studio, cheap components are used as reference after being mixed on multi buck systems.And again, like effects pedals there are those that tweak the factory stock units, adding different caps, switches, leds, to get a different sound.This changes the character of the unit and it's not the same device anymore.This is being done to PS1's as we speak. I kinda like the original stock version. I notice a difference in the bass repsonse on bass guitars as compare to my Denon running through the same equipment mentioned above. The Denon has better high end but is less focused in the bass region. This playstaion phenonmenon seems to focus on enjoying the music. Like a jukebox... rather than remarking how crystal clear this and that is or how good the soundstage, + or - dbu jargonists. But you need a reliable laser block and it needs to be tweaked to track properly so as not to skip. Heat issues are reported as skip culprits that affect the laser block.
dragongoff's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/29/2007 15:01
dragongoff
I think I get it now. I tried the 5501 model and old PS1 that my son had 5 tears ago, through a Panasonic DA7 mixer and some Mackie studio monitors, the HR824. I have a recording studio wtih some hi end equipment. A Denon deck and other lower end CD players. For those of you old enough to remember the sound of a jukebox, playing a CD through a playstation gets this sound as compared to a high end home stereo. It's not necessarily better it's just different. The components in a full sized jukebox where cheap pieces, when they were made back in the 50's and 60's but now some of the speakers like old Jensens are sought after and command a high price.The juke box had a large full sound for some reason. This is what the playstation sound reminds me of.Sort of like a cheap effects pedal that for some reason gave somebody who stumbled upon it a hit song.Then everyone gets in on it and the price goes up.Like an effects pedal, the playstation needs certain components to sound it's best to achieve that "audiophile sound" In a recording studio, cheap components are used as reference after being mixed on multi buck systems.And again, like effects pedals there are those that tweak the factory stock units, adding different caps, switches, leds, to get a different sound.This changes the character of the unit and it's not the same device anymore.This is being done to PS1's as we speak. I kinda like the original stock version. I notice a difference in the bass repsonse on bass guitars as compare to my Denon running through the same equipment mentioned above. The Denon has better high end but is less focused in the bass region. This playstaion phenonmenon seems to focus on enjoying the music. Like a jukebox... rather than remarking how crystal clear this and that is or how good the soundstage, + or - dbu jargonists. But you need a reliable laser block and it needs to be tweaked to track properly so as not to skip. Heat issues are reported as skip culprits that affect the laser block.
Hughbee's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/28/2007 07:09
Hughbee
I'm with dragongoff on this one. The PS1 sounds different, heartier somehow, but not necessarily better. Having grown up with vinyl, it's often hard for me to hear any difference between one CD player and another. That being said, I needed a new one, and if I can get it from a pawn shop in Montana for $14.99 via eBay as opposed to going into an audiophile store and being escorted to the street if I so much as mention the word "Bose" before shelling out hundreds of dollars, that's fine with me.

I do have one audiophile friend, by the way, someone who crawls the Web looking for tubes for his Macintosh (the amp, not the computer), and he claims you've got to keep the PS1 on for about 2 weeks before you get the full effect. We'll see. For now, it's doing its job, plus I get the added bonus of that PlayStation sound whenever I turn it on. There's something fun and high/lo about sending digital signals through a $400 amp to $1800 speakers from a $14.99 piece of outdated technology. Kind of reminds me of the aquarium another friend made out of his first Macintosh (the computer, not the amp).
tarkus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/11/2008 03:07
tarkus
jesus christ what the fuck is wrong with you people
Detry's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 03:01
Detry
wtf moonspeak spam
TheCleaningGuy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 19:28
TheCleaningGuy
My Neo Geo CD has those outputs... COULD IT BE??
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/19/2008 21:01
007
Wasn't this posted on Dtoid like... a year ago? Maybe?
exodus1925's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2008 10:07
exodus1925
Woah I gotta get me one of these.
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