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I can't really add anything that hasn't already been said, so I'm just giving a round of applause to Stealth, Epic, TSP, Tek, and the various other people being sensible.
@gbnz There are two points to this issue, the troll point, and the real point.
The real point, is that a significant number of Japanese developers have had varying issues the past gaming generation or so. A lot of developers are having trouble either keeping up with quality in their games, or they are stuck in a rut, and make the same kind of games with little to no advancement or ingenuity. There are still tons of great Japanese devs, but a sizable part of their market is running into these issues (as well as others). The market isn't doomed though, it just needs a jump-start, and developers who can't adapt need to re-evaluate the way they develop and build their games.
The troll issue however, is how uninformed people, ignorant people, or trolls use info they've heard about to say that the Japanese market sucks. They use companies like Square-Enix, Capcom, and Konami as the only examples for why Japanese devs "suck". They also use issues like From Software's difficulty in making a PC Dark Souls, Nintendo's various dumb/silly decisions, and the flaws in Suda 51's games as examples of how Japanese devs are "inexperienced" or "incompetant", despite the fact that many of these issues are either overblown, or they are problems that western devs go through as well.
Don't take issue with people criticizing it. There certainly are issues that need fixing that effects a lot of Japanese developers, but most of these issues are either overblown, or comparable to plenty of western devs. Just ignore the trolls/idiots, and try to inform or discuss with the uninformed who are willing to talk without acting like idiots.
@gbnz There are two points to this issue, the troll point, and the real point.
The real point, is that a significant number of Japanese developers have had varying issues the past gaming generation or so. A lot of developers are having trouble either keeping up with quality in their games, or they are stuck in a rut, and make the same kind of games with little to no advancement or ingenuity. There are still tons of great Japanese devs, but a sizable part of their market is running into these issues (as well as others). The market isn't doomed though, it just needs a jump-start, and developers who can't adapt need to re-evaluate the way they develop and build their games.
The troll issue however, is how uninformed people, ignorant people, or trolls use info they've heard about to say that the Japanese market sucks. They use companies like Square-Enix, Capcom, and Konami as the only examples for why Japanese devs "suck". They also use issues like From Software's difficulty in making a PC Dark Souls, Nintendo's various dumb/silly decisions, and the flaws in Suda 51's games as examples of how Japanese devs are "inexperienced" or "incompetant", despite the fact that many of these issues are either overblown, or they are problems that western devs go through as well.
Don't take issue with people criticizing it. There certainly are issues that need fixing that effects a lot of Japanese developers, but most of these issues are either overblown, or comparable to plenty of western devs. Just ignore the trolls/idiots, and try to inform or discuss with the uninformed who are willing to talk without acting like idiots.
Is it just me, or has ever since Western games became dominant that Western Developers and even the western games journalists and such gotten more arrogant and obnoxious towards Japanese games?
I think its expectation. Japan has a pedigree of some of the best games ever made, while the west has a pedigree of mediocre with bits of good here and there. So when we see Japan not dominating the crap out of the rest of the planet at game development, we kinda wonder what happened. That said, I agree Japan still makes better games then the West, and both have there equal share of bad developers. All I need to say is 2 words, Dark Souls.
Gotta love people bashing on anime
"Oh man guyz, I seen 1 anime in my entire lyfe and blanket statement it all! I rocksorz"
Seriously grow up. Cliches are in EVERYTHING. I cant take any western game and point out cliches. Just because you live in the US/West, doesnt mean you have to be an ignorant ass. Or hmm, is that a cliche in and of itself. You decide.
I agree with Inaba completely. I love how people here are like "the japanese gaming industry is terrible now and fell off" yet quote like 5 game developers as if they are the only developers in Japan. Seriously, dont speak of the industry if you dont understand just how many developers there are and how many different studios.
Gamers are the problem, especially with how bull headed, close minded, and downright nasty they become at the thought of anything coming out of Japan.
"Oh man guyz, I seen 1 anime in my entire lyfe and blanket statement it all! I rocksorz"
Seriously grow up. Cliches are in EVERYTHING. I cant take any western game and point out cliches. Just because you live in the US/West, doesnt mean you have to be an ignorant ass. Or hmm, is that a cliche in and of itself. You decide.
I agree with Inaba completely. I love how people here are like "the japanese gaming industry is terrible now and fell off" yet quote like 5 game developers as if they are the only developers in Japan. Seriously, dont speak of the industry if you dont understand just how many developers there are and how many different studios.
Gamers are the problem, especially with how bull headed, close minded, and downright nasty they become at the thought of anything coming out of Japan.
Put it this way, Japanese games don't spin a good yarn with their games as often as they once did. I've yet to see the modern Japanese masterpiece equivalent to Portal. Like, freaking Nier is the only thing out of Square on an HD console that got so much as a pluck out of my heartstrings.
Anime was cool when you were a kid because we thought it was made for "big kids" and "mature people". But once you're closing out your teen years, you realize that 95% of anime is juvenile, sexist bullshit.
Our stuff can be hella sexist too, but at least we give our female characters pants on occasion, and in the last ten years I've yet to see an Alyx Vance come from a Japanese-developed game.
Our stuff can be hella sexist too, but at least we give our female characters pants on occasion, and in the last ten years I've yet to see an Alyx Vance come from a Japanese-developed game.
Wow that Akira Yamaoka link is old!
Anyway it's interesting how defensive all these Platinum Games stories are. I agree that there are a lot of bad Western Game developers (some still selling millions of games, ahem) but people should be at this company. Platinum was formed by employees of big name companies who were disgruntled by the limitations of their corporations, so they banded together to make better games for everyone. Hating on Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive is as stupid as me hating the original game just because I didn't like the character design. Now that I see people saying that they won't buy a Wii U just for this betrayal... it's made me buy the original game, and ready to reserve the sequel, just to spite the haters.
Anyway it's interesting how defensive all these Platinum Games stories are. I agree that there are a lot of bad Western Game developers (some still selling millions of games, ahem) but people should be at this company. Platinum was formed by employees of big name companies who were disgruntled by the limitations of their corporations, so they banded together to make better games for everyone. Hating on Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive is as stupid as me hating the original game just because I didn't like the character design. Now that I see people saying that they won't buy a Wii U just for this betrayal... it's made me buy the original game, and ready to reserve the sequel, just to spite the haters.
There are plenty of good Japanese games this Gen, although many of them were portable games and more niche stuff. Of course a lot of the Japanese games that draw tons of internet ire are still good games, some of them awesomely good, and they're only "awful" because some corner of the internet didn't have their high expectations met and has nothing better to do than complain all day. I'd say if you broke down my game purchases by game region, it would probably still be about 60% Japanese, and 75% Japanese if you don't count Steam/PSN/XBLA indie games (which skew the whole thing because they're cheaper and therefore I buy more of them.)
Fun Factoid for those citing the decline of Silent Hill as why "Japanese developers are in decline:" Silent Hill hasn't been developed by a Japanese Development team since Silent Hill 4.
Fun Factoid for those citing the decline of Silent Hill as why "Japanese developers are in decline:" Silent Hill hasn't been developed by a Japanese Development team since Silent Hill 4.
@Gamescook
Once again, if you think that, you really havent seen much anime. Or YOU watched certain kinds and wrote it all off as that. It's a really limited view.
Once again, if you think that, you really havent seen much anime. Or YOU watched certain kinds and wrote it all off as that. It's a really limited view.
@rennerz
Good guy rennerz. Gets told to "Just shut it, seriously" then defends the guy in his argument.
Good guy rennerz. Gets told to "Just shut it, seriously" then defends the guy in his argument.
Yes not all Japanese Devs suck, but even when it comes to the good games it's always the same companies dishing out the gems, and even most of these are just rehashes of existing franchises, sometimes bringing nothing new to the table or ending up tarnishing good IPs.
I think it's totally justified to say that Western Devs are dominating the market right now and most Japanese games that strive these days do so on a very niche market - while western games have been able to provide a more mainstream "all around" appeal, with most of the unconventional innovations coming from a lot of the indie western devs.
The only thing out of Japan that has totally blown me away recently is Dark Souls and Demon souls. Otherwise my top titles right now are all Western Developed.
I think it's totally justified to say that Western Devs are dominating the market right now and most Japanese games that strive these days do so on a very niche market - while western games have been able to provide a more mainstream "all around" appeal, with most of the unconventional innovations coming from a lot of the indie western devs.
The only thing out of Japan that has totally blown me away recently is Dark Souls and Demon souls. Otherwise my top titles right now are all Western Developed.
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