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There is terrible fanboys war at ign over this. I just want to say that i believe that the devs did whatever they thought is the best option they have.
"strengthen the brand" release on one platform . I got admit Im interested in seeing the sales figures when it released the first game flopped hard in Japan which is nintendos hometurf, it was Europe n us where it made sales
'Never dream of alienating fans'
Which explains the decision to put the game exclusively on a brand new console not owned by any of the fans/players/owners of Bayonetta. Gotta love double speak.
Which explains the decision to put the game exclusively on a brand new console not owned by any of the fans/players/owners of Bayonetta. Gotta love double speak.
Well, I think the problem is doing an exclusive game whereas the first one wasn't even on the nintendo console.
Yeah, it's not the gamers decision, but I think they're pissed for not having the game on PS3 and Xbox 360. Which makes some sense.
But yeah, gamers overreacting, what a surprise.
Yeah, it's not the gamers decision, but I think they're pissed for not having the game on PS3 and Xbox 360. Which makes some sense.
But yeah, gamers overreacting, what a surprise.
@uzzy you still don't understand. The only reason the game is being made is because Nintendo is pull the financial weight. The game wasn't fonna get made at all, period, unless Nintendo stepped up. You don't read the article obviously.
Strong, 3rd party exclusivity is what the Wii U needs. If it was just gonna be ports of PS3 and 360 games, there would be no reason to buy it, unless you are really into Nintendo's own franchises.
I'd guess Platinum hopped it around when Sega pulled the plug and no one was willing to put a money hat on Platinum of adequate size, besides Nintendo. Just hope Nintendo is willing to market this, as I think Mad World bombed on the Wii.
The fact of the matter is Bayonetta 2 WOULDNT EXIST if Nintendo wasn't behind this , you're all bitching but this is a simple truth. Everyone complaining makes me sick.
Nintendo saved the game. I'm happy it's coming out at all and the fact that it's coming out on a console I will own, I'm even happier.
Is someone purifying and bottling all these delicious salty tears being wept over Bayonetta 2's exclusivity?
I want some.
I want some.
If the first game didn't sell well I can't really blame them for their decision. Even though the game has a following, who knows how much the sequel would sell? Under a major company financing the costs and marketing they at least have a guarantee the game will sell a reasonable amount of copies.
I'm thrilled about this. Excited Nintendo is taking a chance on a really great franchise that never really found a proper fanbase. Also what if we see Bayonetta in the next smash bros? HOW AWESOME WOULD THAT BE?
I also hope Platinum releases some sort of Wii U port of the first game, at least digitally or something. Since I imagine Bayonetta 2 will run on the same engine, I can't imagine it'd be that hard, just release it at a discounted rate.
I also hope Platinum releases some sort of Wii U port of the first game, at least digitally or something. Since I imagine Bayonetta 2 will run on the same engine, I can't imagine it'd be that hard, just release it at a discounted rate.
I don't mind the exclusivity that much, it gives me a good excuse to enjoy some other WiiU exclusives I wouldn't have any other way because I wasn't gonna buy one.
Just don't release an updated version on another console because I'm gonna feel really stupid about buying a WiiU.
Just don't release an updated version on another console because I'm gonna feel really stupid about buying a WiiU.
"Wii U has no hardcore games RAWR." Wii U gets a hardcore game. " Why is Wii U getting hardcore games RAWR"
Their reasoning strikes me as a little odd. You don't reach the "hands of more and more gamers" by releasing your game on console with the smallest install base. Any personal investment in Bayonetta aside, that's just poor business strategy.
Sega is really hurting for money, (I think they nearly bankrupted themselves with Binary Domain, their Marvel Licenses, and their Kinect/Move games)
Nintendo probably paid them a good chunk up front that they desperately needed.
Nintendo probably paid them a good chunk up front that they desperately needed.
While I'm disappointed that the game is a Wii U exclusive, I'm not going to rage at this. I just hope the game does well for the system and that if/when I get a Wii U, I'll pick it up.
Also @jonthetraveler
The game was already canceled, More like Nintendo paid buttloads to make the game at all.
The game was already canceled, More like Nintendo paid buttloads to make the game at all.
Also I feel sorry for SEGA they getting alot of shit but the main reason they didnt publish it themselves is due to how much trouble the company is in, if things where different honestly expect they would have done it themselves. Also people assuming Nintendo saved the game being made that is a major assumption we will find out if that is true no doubt in future, PG are good terms with a few companies just Nintendo threw more at them
Maybe they just arent as confident in the game. And getting payed by Nintendo is a good way. I wonder, will it be cheaper to develop for the wiiu as well. Nintendo consols are often where budget games with big dreams are relegated.
Bayonetta is one of my absolute favorite games. When it came out I didn't have a 360 or a PS3 so I played the 360 version on my friend's 360. When I got around to getting my own PS3 I played Bayonetta again on it.
Granted having Bayonetta 2 as a Wii U exclusive came as a surprise to me but there's clearly reasons for this (Nintendo being the publisher for example). I'm more of a fan of the game then I am of needless console fan-boy-ism so the fact that we're getting a Bayonetta 2 is what matters most to me. Granted we're a ways away from seeing how it plays on the Wii U (I'm hoping it's not too dramatic a shift in gameplay style) but to see some "fans" freaking out so hard so soon about this is both sad and pathetic.
Personally I have no plans on getting a Wii U at launch. I may wait for the next model (or the next Zelda) or I may never get one. I never bought a Wii but have managed to play every game I wanted to on it. In fact I have already lined up multiple options for playing Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U should such a situation arise.
The fact is we're getting Bayonetta 2. That makes me happy. It can go on my self right next to my 360 and PS3 copies of the first Bayonetta. You can complain about systems and exclusives all you like, I going to play good games.
Granted having Bayonetta 2 as a Wii U exclusive came as a surprise to me but there's clearly reasons for this (Nintendo being the publisher for example). I'm more of a fan of the game then I am of needless console fan-boy-ism so the fact that we're getting a Bayonetta 2 is what matters most to me. Granted we're a ways away from seeing how it plays on the Wii U (I'm hoping it's not too dramatic a shift in gameplay style) but to see some "fans" freaking out so hard so soon about this is both sad and pathetic.
Personally I have no plans on getting a Wii U at launch. I may wait for the next model (or the next Zelda) or I may never get one. I never bought a Wii but have managed to play every game I wanted to on it. In fact I have already lined up multiple options for playing Bayonetta 2 on the Wii U should such a situation arise.
The fact is we're getting Bayonetta 2. That makes me happy. It can go on my self right next to my 360 and PS3 copies of the first Bayonetta. You can complain about systems and exclusives all you like, I going to play good games.
@amtalx
It has the smallest install base... because it's not out yet. You talks as if the Wii U is the Wii, which it isn't.
It has the smallest install base... because it's not out yet. You talks as if the Wii U is the Wii, which it isn't.
I wonder who how long it will take to make a "ban this game "Facebook page, because that will really make the game go multiplatform. Trophy unlocked: Irony.
@Occams
And by the time that happens, hopefully it did so well that Bayonetta 3 is at least announced.
And by the time that happens, hopefully it did so well that Bayonetta 3 is at least announced.
Honestly?
I can see this going the way of Ninja Gaiden 2. Nintendo publish the game,then a year or so down the line Bayonetta 2 : Climax Edition gets announced for either current or next gen consoles.
I hope I'm right,as currently the WiiUs line up doesn't excite me,and while I would love to play Bayonetta 2,that love isn't going to be enough to purchase a console for one game.
I can see this going the way of Ninja Gaiden 2. Nintendo publish the game,then a year or so down the line Bayonetta 2 : Climax Edition gets announced for either current or next gen consoles.
I hope I'm right,as currently the WiiUs line up doesn't excite me,and while I would love to play Bayonetta 2,that love isn't going to be enough to purchase a console for one game.
I have to disagree with Dale & jonthetraveler. I really don't think it was Nintendo paying money to prevent it from coming to other consoles. Back in March Sega announced major losses and that they would be canceling Major projects, and in April it was rumored that Bayonetta 2 was cancelled. Given Platinum's recent partnership with Nintendo over The Wonderful 101 Platinum probably bounced the idea of them publishing Bayonetta 2 after Sega likely cancelled it.
There's a big difference between Nintendo taking away the game from other consoles by forced exclusivity and wrestling it from the current publisher, and them becoming the new publisher when the old one backed out.
There's a big difference between Nintendo taking away the game from other consoles by forced exclusivity and wrestling it from the current publisher, and them becoming the new publisher when the old one backed out.
All this rage is simple: Nintendo isn't allowed to have nice things.
Little kings story? Nope, and no one complains. Tweet? Naw, and as long as it isn't ios it can go anywhere. All those franchises from the nes and snes era? Didn't matter to gaming THEN when they became exclusive on a startup new home console.
There are even people who want NINTENDOS GAMES on non Nintendo platforms.
But nope. Can't have exclusives on a Nintendo console... because no one wants to buy one. Why?
"No games"
But of course that's not true. And when it is, it is only so because of this platform bitching that makes companies jump ship. Something no other fanbase or company in this industry on this level like camp Nintendo does.
People need to get over this. If every one else can have exclusives, and TAKE exclusives away from others, surely Nintendo can too. What's good for the goose, right?
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Little kings story? Nope, and no one complains. Tweet? Naw, and as long as it isn't ios it can go anywhere. All those franchises from the nes and snes era? Didn't matter to gaming THEN when they became exclusive on a startup new home console.
There are even people who want NINTENDOS GAMES on non Nintendo platforms.
But nope. Can't have exclusives on a Nintendo console... because no one wants to buy one. Why?
"No games"
But of course that's not true. And when it is, it is only so because of this platform bitching that makes companies jump ship. Something no other fanbase or company in this industry on this level like camp Nintendo does.
People need to get over this. If every one else can have exclusives, and TAKE exclusives away from others, surely Nintendo can too. What's good for the goose, right?
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Well, I guess the upside of coming out on the Wii U is as an exclusive, non-ported title, it will be fairly easy to stand out for now. Sure, you're not selling to a huge audience(compared to 360/PS3), but it will be easier to stand out on store shelves with fewer games available.
Considering Nintendo's image this reads to me like Dead or Alive Xtreme: Fishrer Price Edition.
So how long till we see her in a Smash Bros game?
So how long till we see her in a Smash Bros game?
i'm sorry, but all those "fans" aren't actual fans and Platinum should simply say this to those people: "please don't buy Bayonetta 2 cause we don't want to be associated with a bunch of retards".
Sega cancelled Bayonetta 2 in april 2012 after nearly 2 years of development, Nintendo bought the rights from Sega and is financing all the development so Platinum can finish the game the way they wanted. REAL fans of Bayonetta are thanking Big N for doing it and are thanking Platinum for taking this step and giving us another great entry in this franchise.
Sega cancelled Bayonetta 2 in april 2012 after nearly 2 years of development, Nintendo bought the rights from Sega and is financing all the development so Platinum can finish the game the way they wanted. REAL fans of Bayonetta are thanking Big N for doing it and are thanking Platinum for taking this step and giving us another great entry in this franchise.
why didn't he just say "money" then drop the mic and walk away from the interview? would have saved people a lot of reading.
Even if the game were to go multiplatform, then who would publish it? Iwata stated that Nintendo would not enter a bidding war with other console manufactures or third-party publishers for that matter, just to buy a third-party exclusive games. Unless Iwata is a liar (which I don't think he is), then it means no other game company attempted to make an offer to bring Bayonetta 2 back from the grave until Nintendo made an offer. Publishers knew that Sega would be leaving the AAA business when the the announcement was made public. They knew they knew there was an opportunity to possibly convince Sega to sell the rights to Bayonetta or at least enter a deal to allow them to fund development and publish it. Other publishers had the chance to shop around for obtaining some of Sega's IPs. Blame them for not wanting Bayonetta 2 or waiting to long to consider it.
Naturally, it sure must have helped that Nintendo was already working with Platinum Games to publish new IP for Wii U (The Wonderful 101) at the time the opportunity came up to see if Bayonetta 2 could be ressurected if Nintendo were interested in making it happen.
Naturally, it sure must have helped that Nintendo was already working with Platinum Games to publish new IP for Wii U (The Wonderful 101) at the time the opportunity came up to see if Bayonetta 2 could be ressurected if Nintendo were interested in making it happen.
Nintendo is making an incredibly smart move here. Platinum Games makes great games very consistently but they were stuck to SEGA as their publishing partner and SEGA is not in a very good financial state right now. Knowing from their mistakes with the Wii that they needed a larger third-party AAA lineup, Nintendo looked at Platinum Games and saw a goldmine. They're getting super chummy with each other, making The Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2 as Wii U exclusives. Looking at this from a business point of view, this will help Platinum with getting their games out there and known since people are so interested in Wii U right now and there is considerably less competition than the other consoles and Nintendo knows this will help them fill the AAA third-party void and really get the Wii U attention as a gaming machine and not just a Nintendo machine. This partnership could be one of the best things to happen to gamers in a while.
I hope that made sense to you guys...
I hope that made sense to you guys...
I'm suprised noone mentioned the fact that a technically naked woman who uses her magic hair to kill demons viciously with tons of sexual innuendos is going to be an exclusive...on a NINTENDO console.
Think of the children!!!
Think of the children!!!
Well, I loved the game. I'm never gonna buy a Wii U, so I guess this is a case of a disappointed fan. I'm OK with it reaching out to Nintendo fans, but making it exclusive? Uzzy wrote what I thought.
to each and every person that says: "i'm not planning to buy a wiiu but i'm happy the game is coming regardless"
i would like to say: i love you, now come and give me hug
That's true maturity in gaming
i would like to say: i love you, now come and give me hug
That's true maturity in gaming
Sure, I'm disappointed. I loved the original on Xbox.
Here's the thing though. As an owner of only the one console (Xbox 360) I miss out on some of my most anticipated games. The Zelda series is a long-time favourite, but I'll never get to play Skyward Sword. Uncharted looks amazing, but I'll never have the cash to splash out on a PS3. Given the volume of games I play, there's thousands out there that I never have, and likely never will.
So I likely won't ever play the sequel to one of my all time favourite games. Know how much this damages my quality of life? About as much as a mosquito bite. Whether I feel Platinum are only in it for the money, or that this will ruin the franchise, or whatever, I will never understand the severity of peoples reaction to this. It's a video game, not a holocaust denial.
Here's the thing though. As an owner of only the one console (Xbox 360) I miss out on some of my most anticipated games. The Zelda series is a long-time favourite, but I'll never get to play Skyward Sword. Uncharted looks amazing, but I'll never have the cash to splash out on a PS3. Given the volume of games I play, there's thousands out there that I never have, and likely never will.
So I likely won't ever play the sequel to one of my all time favourite games. Know how much this damages my quality of life? About as much as a mosquito bite. Whether I feel Platinum are only in it for the money, or that this will ruin the franchise, or whatever, I will never understand the severity of peoples reaction to this. It's a video game, not a holocaust denial.
The way I see it:
SEGA must've dropped the ball on Bayonetta, like some are saying. So, they had to find a new publisher. And they can't just pick any publisher, they have to be willing to take the IP and put money into it.
Sadly, I guess Nintendo seemed like the best option for them. At least it didn't end up in the hands of something like EA.
SEGA must've dropped the ball on Bayonetta, like some are saying. So, they had to find a new publisher. And they can't just pick any publisher, they have to be willing to take the IP and put money into it.
Sadly, I guess Nintendo seemed like the best option for them. At least it didn't end up in the hands of something like EA.
Hypocrisy, we Nintendo gamer didn't get your exclusives for ages and now everyone's crying due to bayonetta 2. Well boo hoo
Why do people keep saying "making it exclusive..."? It wasn't going to be made at all, and if Nintendo was the publisher that picked it up, would anyone expect it to go multiplat? How does that equate to "making" something exclusive? Exclusive by happenstance, exclusivity via the way the cookie crumbles, becoming exclusive by virtue of the publisher willing to pick it up, but making it exclusive, as it was always their perfect plan to sell a game to a fraction of their potential audience? Give me a break.
Regardless of how much money Ninty ponied up (and I'm sure it didn't take much at all), it's not an ideal situation for Platinum, and I'm sure the people there are not so stupid as to believe it is, regardless of what they say to the press. Be happy the game is being made at all, or at least blame all the publishers that turned them down.
Regardless of how much money Ninty ponied up (and I'm sure it didn't take much at all), it's not an ideal situation for Platinum, and I'm sure the people there are not so stupid as to believe it is, regardless of what they say to the press. Be happy the game is being made at all, or at least blame all the publishers that turned them down.
Alright Nintendo, you've eon this round. Where do I sign my soul away for more Bayonetta?
With a reserve you say?
With a reserve you say?
That statement is just full of bullshit, you don't wanna alienate people and want to strengthen the franchise, so naturally the best answer for this is so release on a brand new console and make it exclusive.
I just hope it sells, if it doesn't then this is it for Platinum and quite frankly I don't consider to be a system seller.
I just hope it sells, if it doesn't then this is it for Platinum and quite frankly I don't consider to be a system seller.
"Minami then goes on to point to the "state of upheaval" in the console games market, and says that they believe that they believe than can strengthen the Bayonetta brand with this new partnership with Nintendo."
Okay, I can see where he thinks this.. Though, I don't believe there's quite a "state of upheaval" as much as there is a "we're coming to the end of a cycle".. If you don't like what happens at the end of a cycle, then you probably shouldn't have contributed to an industry that's put you into that corner without having made sure that that corner existed in the first place, or that there was a way for you to keep it from happening. Again, this really isn't a developers fault (for the most part), its more a publisher thing I'd guess.
Any way, if he really believes that strengthening a brand means going with one platform, then this needs to be something more companies just do from the get-go. Because the bitching and moaning about this game not being cross-platform like the original comes on the back of people who now have to buy a system they probably didn't want in order to support a game(series, now) that they loved. If they knew this from the start there wouldn't be an issue, since all the console comapnies have been doing this for years -Nintendo really being the primest of examples there. But to take a 3rd party game that wasn't this way, and do it, yeah.. It must feel like a betrayal.
So yeah, if he thinks this is the case then Metal Gear should ONLY be on PS3. Resident Evil should ONLY be on 360.. or better yet, Konami should just work with Sony. Capcom should only with with Microsoft. Because if its going to strengthen a brand by pushing it into only one corner of the industry, then everyone needs to do it to come out on top, and we -as customers- really need to be told that if you want this particular experience, that its exclusive to this one platform and you need to have all the platforms if you want to have all your personal choices (which, yes, I do believe is pretty wrong overall, just pointing this out because this is kind of where the industry would go if his thoughts were to pollinate.)
As for never wanting to alienate fans, I think you just did when you decided it was a grand idea to throw your hat into a ring that most people are weary of because of its long history of prior digressions and false promises to provide. Not alienating fans would be to not require them to have to pay $300+ to continue supporting your series.
Okay, I can see where he thinks this.. Though, I don't believe there's quite a "state of upheaval" as much as there is a "we're coming to the end of a cycle".. If you don't like what happens at the end of a cycle, then you probably shouldn't have contributed to an industry that's put you into that corner without having made sure that that corner existed in the first place, or that there was a way for you to keep it from happening. Again, this really isn't a developers fault (for the most part), its more a publisher thing I'd guess.
Any way, if he really believes that strengthening a brand means going with one platform, then this needs to be something more companies just do from the get-go. Because the bitching and moaning about this game not being cross-platform like the original comes on the back of people who now have to buy a system they probably didn't want in order to support a game(series, now) that they loved. If they knew this from the start there wouldn't be an issue, since all the console comapnies have been doing this for years -Nintendo really being the primest of examples there. But to take a 3rd party game that wasn't this way, and do it, yeah.. It must feel like a betrayal.
So yeah, if he thinks this is the case then Metal Gear should ONLY be on PS3. Resident Evil should ONLY be on 360.. or better yet, Konami should just work with Sony. Capcom should only with with Microsoft. Because if its going to strengthen a brand by pushing it into only one corner of the industry, then everyone needs to do it to come out on top, and we -as customers- really need to be told that if you want this particular experience, that its exclusive to this one platform and you need to have all the platforms if you want to have all your personal choices (which, yes, I do believe is pretty wrong overall, just pointing this out because this is kind of where the industry would go if his thoughts were to pollinate.)
As for never wanting to alienate fans, I think you just did when you decided it was a grand idea to throw your hat into a ring that most people are weary of because of its long history of prior digressions and false promises to provide. Not alienating fans would be to not require them to have to pay $300+ to continue supporting your series.
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