V.A.T.S, maul and repeat. Bethesda did a lot of things right with Fallout 3, but one noticeable dent in the game’s power armor was the shooting mechanic. We’d say it hovered somewhere between serviceable and poor, but Gearbox’s Randy Pitchford would place it in the more boring than Borderlands category.
In a conversation with Official Xbox Magazine, Pitchford said Borderlands was "less boring" than Fallout 3 when talking about Borderlands' action focus and, obviously, offered up a bit of criticism for Fallout 3 in the process.
"I understand why we do those games [like Fallout 3] but I don't know -- do we want that,” Pitchford asked. “I think that game could have been much better if it didn't have a single dialogue tree. Honestly. And if it was more action-orientated, and if the shooting was better,” he said.
Will Borderlands tickle those with a taste for post-apocalyptic shooters? Even if I could answer that, an embargo would prevent me from doing so. Still, the game does look pretty f’ing metal on the outside. I can’t wait until I get my hands on it. How about you?
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8:00 AM on 10.07.2009
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Just sayin.
Still, I love Pitchford and I love Gearbox, I hope this game can rock my socks.
that's exactly what he said.... where did you misunderstand?
But on topic, finally a person other than me who isn't sucking on the Bethesda meat pole. So many reviews gave this a perfect rating rating for being exactly like Oblivion. The shooting suck, VATS was way to depended on, the games' story is boring and nonsensical at times ("I can't go in there, it's your destiny",Fawkes the Mutant immune to radiation), mass amounts of glitches,the DLC was mostly crap,and there was nowhere near as many dialogue options as there were in Oblivion.
The shooting mechanic in Fallout 3 was garbage. I shouldn't have a hard time hitting a Mole Rat with a pistol if I'm good at Killzone 2. And in what video are you seeing full clips being emptied into guys with them still standing? I just watched some gameplay footage and I'm seeing the regular amount drop a guy. Now if your talking full clips for the massive monsters I understand.
I hope the game does well, I like FO3 for what it was, an Action RPG. I'm sure borderlands will do great as a shooter with RPG elements (i.e. leveling up)
http://www.giantbomb.com/borderlands-gameplay-mad-criticals/17-1367/
Watch the 10 crits to that dude's face.
What does being good at one game have to do with being good at another?
I liked Fallout 3. But I'm thinking it shouldn't be used as the "template" to judge Borderlands.
I agree with your last statement. Judging a game based on another game because it had a post-apocalyptic backdrop is just silly.
The game should be judged on its own strengths and weaknesses. If it was a direct sequel to FO3 I could maybe understand using the comparison.
Seriously, his complaint boils down to "This sandwich would be awesome if it was pizza."
I really like the look of Borderlands, and its definitely been on my radar, but I have to say the in-game footage I've seen did slightly disappoint me on account of it looking so damned 'Arcadey' - which is fine if you're not me, but unfortunately I am. *cuts self*
And shut up with the metal shit. You sound like a retarded 12 year old.
I had no idea Bethesda wanted it to be an action RPG.
Oh wait, it wasn't: it was a turn based RPG with optional action, if you turn off VATs.
I'll agree that VATs was boring, but look at KOTOR, or Dragon Age. That's the same type of combat: Bethesda just tried to trick you by giving you the option to shoot freely. That's something I think that should be commended.
Also, Washington DC area + all the history Fallout 3 entails>>>>>>>>>>anything Borderlands has shown me so far.
Borderlands appears to be the opposite approach...they took a pure shooter and have added some RPG elements too it. I tend to agree that it will be "less boring" than Fallout 3 during battle, but fall way short (no pun intended) in terms of RPG story (or lack of story choices).
Looks to be a great game, IMO.
Not everyone likes RPGs. But if you don't like FPS games, you're a "douche", so we all know how popular Borderlands will be. Or, similarly, Mass Effect's action popularity in comparison to Dragon Age's Baldur old-school turn based approach. SHOOTERS WIN THIS GENERATION, FELLAS!
Boring? No way, seems to me anyone who thinks FO3 was boring is not the turn based strategy person, stick to COD and HALO.
The old fallut games were better in my opinion, despite the clear graphical, perspective and gameplay "improvements" / modernisation the older one's had more.... character.
i'll never forget becomming a porn star in Fallout 2, caled, Arnold swollen-member.
Classic.
I might have to dig out the old Fallout's as they'll blatantly run on the laptop.
I'm looking forward to Borderlands, but when you come across marketing such as this, it makes me think twice about supporting the company.
When people start caring about story more than combat...
This is my main beef with Borderlands. It's Far Cry 2 with experience points and AI-generated guns. There are probably going to be all of 10 NPCs in the game who do not shoot you on sight. It will be very light on dialogue, towns, and meaningful NPC interactions.
Will I buy Borderlands? Sure, it's a day one purchase for me. Will I enjoy it as much as Fallout 3. Of course not. It's not in the same league.
I like the looks of Borderlands, okay but holy crap you do not need to compare it to DIFFERENT games that have DIFFERENT aims.
I mean that's like someone from Bungie going on to say "Deus Ex was a good game but if it was more like Halo 3 with less RPG elements it would've been better." Or a guy from Blizzard going "World in Conflict was okay but if it had base building it would've been better like StarCraft 2!"
I mean really what the hell?!
I am looking forward to borderlands,yet this is the wrong way to market it. Never compare your shooting mechanics to a game that sold 4.7 million copies and can only be compared in the loosest of senses, even if it is better. It's just bad PR considering the fact so many people overlook the admittedly bad shooting elements in F3 and enjoy/love it for everything else. If you put the focus on shooting, then it sends out the message to the consumer that there is nothing much else in the game. Obviously other PR will come out, and may very well focus on the RPG elements, but if a dev talks about the shooting more then the game itself, it's not a very good sign.
Either way, I hope Borderlands will be interesting, seeing as I might buy it further down the line.
Yeah, it was brilliant, the gore was seriously OTT and felt amazing on my good guy playthrough blasting a evil enemy to pieces.
It was a joke...
I was showing that shooter fans are very close minded, and tend to be mono-gamers (only Halo, COD, etc).
The funny thing is much of the previews of Mass Effect 2 stress about improvements to combat and the shooting mechanics but barely much at all to the RPG mechanics other than new party members.
Not that the first Mass Effect didn't heavily focus on combat while segregating it from the RPG parts but still it's something to observe.
Exactly. Cater to the masses = more monies!!!!