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Pitchford: Pachter was 'wrong' about Borderlands photo

In what could be taken as a Captain Obvious story, Gearbox chief Randy Pitchford has twisted the knife in Michael Pachter's incorrect brain, making sure that everybody knows exactly how wrong the analyst was when he said Borderlands had been "sent out to die" and would get destroyed by Modern Warfare 2 and Dragon Age: Origins. He really was quite wrong.

"We were sandwiched between the two biggest first-person shooter franchises ever," confesses Pitchford. "And the guys at BioWare, who walk on water, were releasing Dragon Age around the same time. It was tough for me, because it's Mike's job to analyze these things. You know what, Mike? I knew you were wrong."

Pachter's entire criticism seemed based around the idea that the success of one game automatically meant the failure of another. Sure, Dragon Age and Modern Warfare 2 certainly did sell better than Borderlands, but that doesn't mean Borderlands failed. Pachter seems to believe that you can't have more than two successful games co-existing at any one time, which is just silly. 

Regardless, I think most of us are glad Pachter wasn't right. Borderlands was a great game and its success is sure to spawn a sequel now.

Randy Pitchford Says Michael Pachter Was "Wrong" About Dire Borderlands Predictions [1UP]








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RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:02
RenegadePanda
Patcher? Wrong?

No no, this man is never wrong. He predicts the future. Clearly, Gearbox is in posession of an advanced time machine that was used to alter the time space continuium after the statement was made.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:03
Magesx
Why won't Pachter just go away. ._.
TheStripe's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:03
TheStripe
I hate Pachter.
kylamity's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:04
kylamity
Pachter failed to remember that people will often sacrifice things they need so they can afford to be entertained.
coldalarm's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:05
coldalarm
The other shooter was...? Is it Halo: ODST?
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:07
lastdual
I remember commenting on GT right after he made that prediction, saying that, while I like Pachter, Borderlands would probably break 2 millions units. Some of the commenters right after me thought I was crazy....but they didn't know about my time machine....
Scroll's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:07
Scroll
Can Gearbox finish Aliens:CM before they do Borderlands 2 please?
SnatchTease's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:13
SnatchTease
Yeah... duh... he's Michael Pachter, not Mrs. Cleo, mon. The closest thing to one of his predictions coming true is when he said "I think I mmight be coming down with a cold". Thats it.
Lil Jorsche's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:16
Lil Jorsche
I actually enjoy listening to what Pachter has to say on the Bonus Round and Pach Attack. Though, like lastdual, I completely disagreed when he said Borderlands would die. The game looked awesome from what I'd seen in trailers.
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:26
Maniac
Meh, he went with the safe bet of "Modern Warfare 2 and Dragon Age will 0wn everyone." Can't blame him for playing it safe during a recession.
Happy Chainsaw Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:32
Happy Chainsaw Man
I'm just glad he was wrong. Borderlands is fantastic and deserves all the praise/sales that it received.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:32
Takeshi
I wonder if certain predictions made affect sales. I can't help but to think that certain people will change their initial thought about a game after reading the stuff Pachter (or any other Nostradamus-like figure) says. I sure hope people are smart enough to think for themselves. Considering Borderlands did well, I think they do.
Comrade Snarky's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:42
Comrade Snarky
Stop talking about him.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:47
eduh
ye borderlands didnt fail, but the truth is that it could have been a bigger success if it was launched at a better date
Mr Wrighty 987's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:55
Mr Wrighty 987
That Pachter is a tit.
Ubersuntzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 14:57
Ubersuntzu
I'm surprised Pitchford didn't say something like this sooner.

Pachter was wrong even by analytical standards. The game had too much enthusiasm and too much consumer awareness for it to fail.
Evergreen's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:10
Evergreen
I don't get the Pachter hate. He makes his predictions from a business standpoint. He'll probably admit that he is still learning the ins and outs of the gaming business. Overall, he seems like a smart guy that truly tries to make smart predictions while embracing the gaming community.

That being said, how many times have any of you hyped up a game in your heads, only to play it and realize how average the game is and how poor it sold...
Xaeius's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:14
Xaeius
@Jim Sterling: Name how much douchebaggery is in this picture

Turbofail's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:15
Turbofail
The fact that this game had any success blows my mind. Did anyone actually play this game? IT'S SHIT!
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:24
PhilK3nS3bb3n
@Turbofail -please elaborate on how you felt the game was shit. Im curious as to what you didnt like and why.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:24
Takeshi
@Turbofail
There's a distinct difference between you thinking it's shit and something actually being shit. Remember that before judging someone else's opinion.
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:26
Hasney
Turbofail, living up to his name.
Blind Avarice's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:30
Blind Avarice
Standing on its own, he (Pachter) would have been right. The game was simplistic, had broken matchmaking at launch, a low level cap and a terrible 'ending.' It's the rapid fire, quality DLC that's keeping this game and hopes for a sequel afloat. Gearbox deserves some props for that at least.
LegendPenguin's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 15:57
LegendPenguin
There should be a drinking game tailored towards each time Pachter is wrong.

Instead of shots, though, we down a pint. Just for shits and giggles.
Damnation02's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:00
Damnation02
Recently Pachter announced that Randy Pitchford will make a statement on how he failed.

So that means they guys are even. The guy predicted his own fail. Therefore he is right.
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:22
ArrestedDeveloper
Pachter admitted he was wrong a long time ago. Rubbing it in Pachter's face and seeing some of the rude comments he's made about other game developers just prove to me that Pitchford a douche.
Ubersuntzu's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:28
Ubersuntzu
@Blind Avarice

I'm calling shenanigans.

Yes, the game is simplistic. It's simplistic in the same way SimCity or PopCap games are simplistic. It takes a simple idea and builds depth upon it with skill trees, class mods, and coop-based gameplay which ideally forces you to balance your skill tree and class mods with the needs of the team. Which is all it should do. Anything else would muddy up the original concept.

If anything the original level cap was too high. By Level 50 every character is a powerhouse. After that the only challenge comes from tossing out enemies that are even more ridiculously overpowered than the players themselves.

Complaints about the ending are ridiculous. A game that needs no story ended without an emotional climax? Come on. How much do you expect from one game by a relatively small developer?

The rapid fire DLC and specifically the level cap raise are just ways of pandering to parts of the audience that have low standards and just want more mindless goodies. Although to be fair the loot based reward system encourages that to begin with.

The one thing I will say is that for a game that's all about coop and skill customization, both those areas had too many bugs at launch. Fortunately they were quick to acknowledge and fix them, so the community was mostly willing to forgive them.
Hakael's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:31
Hakael
It certainly didn't hurt that a bunch of retailers were running a buy 2 get 1 free sale when it was released.
thunderleg's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:33
thunderleg
I have two games sitting on my computer desk as I read this article. Both were purchased at the exact same time. One is Dragon Age Origins and the other is Borderlands. I have installed and played only Borderlands. Fun game, especially in multiplayer. Dragon Age can sit until I am ready.

I will not ever purchase Modern Warfare 2. If someone gave it to me, I would refuse it.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 16:44
Holyetheline
I watched his speech when he said that.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:05
BahamutZero
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:09
mikeyed
I think the problem is that borderlands plays to a completely different audience, or at least markets itself as something much different from either of the aforementioned titles. It's not as serious of an FPS as MW2, nor is it a grinding RPG like Dragonage, so I really don't see how it could be edged out of a market it actually excludes itself from.
Smo5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:20
Smo5000
borderlands is amazing, ill definitely be buying the sequel, just dont remove 2-player splitscreen....please
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:43
EdgyDude
Well, it was a matter of time before this happened really, but i'm glad it finally did.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:45
-PL-
I bought the PC version... never buying another gearbox product on PC again. Borderlands might be awesome on consoles, but releasing a patch to make multiplayer work on PC MONTHS after game release is unacceptable.
Toadofsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:48
Toadofsky
I'm glad he was wrong. Although I've never played this game, I'm glad Pachter has once again been proven wrong, he needs to quit acting like he's some celebrity, he's supposed to be an analyst.

He got popular and now all he does is shoot his mouth off and makes ridiculous assumptions. I hope people finally wake up and quit listening to him...
SBC Slam's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 17:50
SBC Slam
I agree with -PL-. On top of the patch for multi-player, the game is rife with other ridiculous bugs that make it a less than wonderful gaming experience.
Blind Avarice's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 18:10
Blind Avarice
I actually meant 'endgame,' not 'ending.' It lacks any real depth; the skill trees can be sufficiently explored within one afternoon, and it never gets hard or varied enough to produce any long term goals. Most games have hard core fans, but the general populace was set to shelve this within 2 months of release. Strong, quick DLC launches that expanded the game in new directions were exactly what the game needed to stay on the collective radar.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 20:31
KwikPwn
Just hit level 39 with my soldier, second playthrough.

Borderlands is a good foundation, but storytelling and A.I. need to be improved for the sequel.

Overall though, it's a solid first entry and looking forward to a sequel.
Infamy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 21:01
Infamy
Does Patcher ever know what the fuck he talks about? Seriously, blogs keep posting about him and giving him more publicity than he needs.
Toadofsky's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 21:22
Toadofsky
@ Infamy:

That's the problem I have with gaming journalism. Far too many journalists take things at face value, simply because an analyst tells them something and the journalists think they know what they're talking about, instead of actually looking into the WHY, or HOW. Same thing with PR people or people who work at a game studio.

Pachter is a joke, and he honestly hurts Wedbush Morgan's image, and reputation in my opinion.

I may not know much about stocks, or be knowledgeable in any sort of market, or be able to be a game journalist, but I firmly believe that there's far more merit in doing research, and writing good thorough, and informative articles, than what I see on far too many game sites and magazines...
youngskeletor's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 21:39
youngskeletor
@ qwikpwn

from what we've heard so far, that's precisely what the upcoming DLC aims to improve on... and then some.

i think the game is unique. i've never owned a console title where i could "quest" with friends online without the word "halfling" anywhere in the game... also guns. lots of sweet guns.
Thulsa Dooom's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 21:55
Thulsa Dooom
Randy Pitchford is starting to becoming the most annoying dev ever. Who cares what Pachter said? Randy's a little jealous of Bioware.
dolson's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 21:59
dolson
Did he say that before or after the few dozen game delays were announced? I forget.. Lots of stuff got pushed into 2010, leaving a lot more room for Borderlands to breathe. I'm glad it released when it did.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 23:00
Airbr1dge
Where's an "IN YO FACE" pic when you need one?
D-roy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2010 23:24
D-roy
Borderlands is awesome. And I still play it, especially now when they've fixed all the hosting problems and stuff :)
LazyAza's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2010 00:54
LazyAza
Pachter irritates me, people should just ignore him.
Gee-Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2010 01:37
Gee-Man
Regardless of the guy himself, I'm glad he was wrong. Too often a game with great artistic merit will be ignored over the more realistic and aesthetically bland (MW2, I'm looking at you) games. Borderlands deserves every bit of praise it gets (and a few of its criticisms, but that's what sequels are for).
AdamantiumHip's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2010 12:49
AdamantiumHip
anyone who brought this boring ass game is a fuckin idiot, end of story.
Blacklash93's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2010 13:33
Blacklash93
^
I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game. I'm also sorry you're shallow enough insult others involved with things you don't like.

But yeah, Randy is kind of a douche.
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