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I have not problems with feminism until it classifies every man as a rapist and sexual predator.
Someone is bound to get pissed off at DOOK.
Someone is bound to get pissed off at DOOK.
If some feminist starts spouting off trying to use their mind all you gotta do is tell them to "plug it" and hand them a tampon... Done deal guys.
Of course that was a joke.
But it's funny how often people that protest games end up actually improving sales. Like the parental warnings , a kid sees "m-ature" and that's what they want even if they don't understand it and getting it is almost like a badge of cool and is expected of underage kids to already have it .
I kinda hope they don't go all out against these games but it would be cool if we could slowly trim out the fat / find ways to better rate games and the audiences exposed to things their parents should keep them away from.
Of course that was a joke.
But it's funny how often people that protest games end up actually improving sales. Like the parental warnings , a kid sees "m-ature" and that's what they want even if they don't understand it and getting it is almost like a badge of cool and is expected of underage kids to already have it .
I kinda hope they don't go all out against these games but it would be cool if we could slowly trim out the fat / find ways to better rate games and the audiences exposed to things their parents should keep them away from.
Exactly as Typhonic said. I'm a pretty militant feminist in my own right, though preferring equality in gender reform as opposed to one naturally being better than the other or what have you, but I understand a joke when I see one. And exactly as he said, Duke is a HEDONIST, not misogynist (and yeah, I agree with Jim that the word is a gun stripped of bullets these days) and who would really ever take him seriously anyways?
Duke Nukem= pure adult-centered fun
Women are an inferior gender and will always suck at everything in comparison to the almighty male= misogynistic
Duke Nukem= pure adult-centered fun
Women are an inferior gender and will always suck at everything in comparison to the almighty male= misogynistic
Translation:
Pitchford wants free publicity even a report or 2 in FOX news. Nothing to see here, move along.
Pitchford wants free publicity even a report or 2 in FOX news. Nothing to see here, move along.
It seems like the only feminism which gets talks about nowadays is about trivial things of when a female is portrayed a certain way in the media. Which is true that a lot of woman in video-games come off as sexualized objects, but I think there are other things which people could be doing within in feminism.
Still wondering if I should get Duke Nukem Forever. (I only learned about it a few months ago.)
Still wondering if I should get Duke Nukem Forever. (I only learned about it a few months ago.)
Controversy gives your game more publicity so when those feminist organizations attack Duke Nukem Forever, Randy Pitchford will be stroking a cat
Much as I'm sick of hearing about the Dickwolves thing I do wish people would recognize the controversy an outrage was directed at the shirt, not the comic. When you say it was directed at the comic you completely rewrite the whole thing and it becomes some First Amendment, "It's just a joke," bullshit when that was never the argument being had. At least not intentionally. It started off as something totally different and then everybody and they're grandma had to open their big stupid mouths and ruin it, specifically those who did so before educating themselves.
*ahem*
Okay, I'm done. Also, everything Sorrows Neptune said. Dickwolves is a prime example. That same week the government started debating the rewriting of what is defined as rape and scaling down protection of the victims of rape. Where were my feminist then? It was mighty lonesome at the homefront while everybody was crying about a t-shirt.
And to more relevant matters this guy asking for controversy is a little sad to watch. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened, but does he have to make his want for it so painfully obvious? Can't he pretend like Rockstar?
*ahem*
Okay, I'm done. Also, everything Sorrows Neptune said. Dickwolves is a prime example. That same week the government started debating the rewriting of what is defined as rape and scaling down protection of the victims of rape. Where were my feminist then? It was mighty lonesome at the homefront while everybody was crying about a t-shirt.
And to more relevant matters this guy asking for controversy is a little sad to watch. That said, it wouldn't surprise me if it happened, but does he have to make his want for it so painfully obvious? Can't he pretend like Rockstar?
I'm gonna laugh my ass off when some dude like me lets their little 7 year-old brother play this, just to have the kid go into school the next day and tell his teacher to get suckin'.
@Xzyliac Actually no, people got really upset at the original comic. That's where the contorversy started. Mike refuses to censor himself though and will not take it down. He remmoved the shirt from the store for slightly different (but related) reasons.
Anywho.
Pitchford is obviously familiar with the Streisand Effect.
Anywho.
Pitchford is obviously familiar with the Streisand Effect.
An example of how to do videogame controversy wrong.
You're supposed to wait till people actually complain Randy not call them out.
You're supposed to wait till people actually complain Randy not call them out.
@ZeeJayTL: I think you meant "miso-Jim-ist"
That actually sounds like a great idea for a new series Jim. Just sayin :)
That actually sounds like a great idea for a new series Jim. Just sayin :)
Jesus Christ if people who are paying attention to video games close enough to piss all over them on a daily bases don't know that Nukem's entire reason for being is wrapped around his macho satire then they need to go back to the books... Honestly, picking on Duke is like picking on Howard Stern in his hayday, your only going to make him stronger for it.
I'm pretty sure Duke Nukem isn't going to be a Role Model for anyone. There is nothing to worry about.
@redeemer
That comic has always upset people. That's the general offensive nature of the comic. Nothing really exploded until the t-shirt happened. Or perhaps that's my perspective since what I saw as actual controversy didn't start until the t-shirt went for sale. I wouldn't call "Bah! I'm offended!" actual controversy. That's just one side being PO'd without any real argument other than feeling, well, offended. But I've seen that over many-a Penny Arcade comic since I started reading it a few years back. The t-shirt bit was something entirely different.
That comic has always upset people. That's the general offensive nature of the comic. Nothing really exploded until the t-shirt happened. Or perhaps that's my perspective since what I saw as actual controversy didn't start until the t-shirt went for sale. I wouldn't call "Bah! I'm offended!" actual controversy. That's just one side being PO'd without any real argument other than feeling, well, offended. But I've seen that over many-a Penny Arcade comic since I started reading it a few years back. The t-shirt bit was something entirely different.
I think words like "misogynistic" are getting thrown around so much online that their true meanings are starting to get devalued.
^THIS.
^THIS.
As far as the US goes, we should have just given them voting rights from the start so none of this bullshit would have happened down the road. I blame the founding fathers, in particular, the worthless Southerners.
@C-Turtle
His parents already made that mistake.
Doesn't the chip off the ol' block mean anything to anyone?
His parents already made that mistake.
Doesn't the chip off the ol' block mean anything to anyone?
Penny Arcade removed a shirt with "Dickwolves" on it because some people at PAX may be made uncomfortable by its potential presence?
HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE FUCKING INSANE?
HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE FUCKING INSANE?
The reason that feminism seems to be everywhere is because sexism is actually that pervasive in cultures. Even seemingly harmless jokes do nothing but to reinforce unfair stereotypes that still persist today.
Having values like this in a game can speak a lot about what the developers think, but the whole idea is to be satirical. Yeah, it's definitely not a positive view of women, but the point isn't to advocate the idea. It's to bring it's stupidity forefront and show how ludicrous it is.
Now, I don't think that the creators set out to create a misogynistic game, and I believe that it is satirical, but I find it interesting, and maybe a little worried, that it might be the type of satire that goes right over the heads of it's target (like the people who claim to agree with Steven Colbert). Now I haven't played the demo my self, but I wouldn't be surprised if the game appeals to the sexist, meat-head, stereotype that the game is trying to satirize.
But, I can't blame them for that.
But, I can't blame them for that.
What why? Duke Nuk'em is what Duke Nuk'em, there's no point making a fuss about a 1-dimensional pointless character, made during a throw-back time of 15 years ago. Ladies --- seriously, don't even waste the energy needed to raise an eye brow.
When people get bored with Duke Nuk'em silly antics, and they will, gamers just moving on to the next thing that more interesting.
When people get bored with Duke Nuk'em silly antics, and they will, gamers just moving on to the next thing that more interesting.
Wait… go back to the Penny Arcade thing. "Dickwolves" is bad, but "Fruit Fucker" is ok. What kind of ass-backwords world are we living in? Is someone trying to say the word "dickwolves implies some sort of male rapist? Because I don't see that at all.
I hear "Dickwolves" and I'm thinking a group of "loose, slutty women on the prowl for d*ck". If anything, men need to be on the watch for… the "Dickwolves", they are cumming for you.
I hear "Dickwolves" and I'm thinking a group of "loose, slutty women on the prowl for d*ck". If anything, men need to be on the watch for… the "Dickwolves", they are cumming for you.
We "assholes" have to stick together! For oppression, for bigotry!, for misogyny! Whose with me? " I want my booth babe under the table and side of buffalo wings damn it! I clocked in 150 hours of Halo 3! I made sure to call everyone a n*gg*r. I even took the time to call them up over the phone (to let them know) if I had to. Let me be a cave man, nothing worse will come along! Oh hey there China!
It doesn't matter if it's a harmless joke or not, everything gets tarred with the same brush, and I think it makes a mockery of serious hate issues
great line, will be quoted in the future ;-)
great line, will be quoted in the future ;-)
In other words: If some feminist group wants to give us free publicity, we welcome it. We can cut back on our marketing budget.
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