Fellow video game celebrablogger Brian Crecente (you know, that pirate dude from
Kotaku) was recently on
The Loop on Attack of the Show to talk about the controversy surrounding the
Columbine RPG with
Kevin P. and the game's creator. After watching the vid and digesting what's going on with this game, how do you feel about it? Should it have been pulled from the festival? Do games like this make kids do bad things? Should Crecente cut his hair?
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6:10 PM on 01.23.2007
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2; Games dont cause violence. I am really sick of hearing it. When my teachers hear that i play violent video games like halo, or GoW or crackdown, they keep a closer look on me. Ever since colombine, people have blamed doom for dylan and harris' violent acts. The parents of these to boys also said that they never heard them making pipe bombs in the basement. Blame the poor parenting, because its the cause, and dont say that they were made fun of all the time. They brought that on themselfs. They did stupid shit all the time, that made people make fun of them.
3; no summa, i dont think that mr pirate boy should get his hair cut.
Will V
And now whoever wins the awards at the festival might not really deserve the awards. 7 games and 1 sponsor have withdrawn from the festival. Although 1 game was forced to be re entered due to the fact that it was created by students of one of the remaining sponsors. This whole thing has turned into shambles.
1) Crecente's figured out how to deal with Pereira. Talk for 6 seconds then shut up. Otherwise get interrupted.
2) The game looks like chud.
3) That Danny guy, flaaaaaming.
You read my mind.
I only think that a video game which doesnt just show the utter insanity of colombine, but ranks it up time ten, is just absured. Just the fact that i knew a few of the victims of colombine, and dylan kleebold himself, just angers me, and the familys of those who suffered a loss because two boys who were compleatly out of their fucking minds.
Movies showed half of what happened at colombine.
I know the whole story.
People talk about it because they are still so confused about what happened. And they are just going with what the parents said, that they were made fun of and mistreated in school, and that they both played Doom.
And thats all that people needed, but some still want the full truth.
The game really sucks quality wise, but it should not have been pulled.
Speaking purely about Slamdance, it is a farce that they wait until the game does well to remove it. I'd be insulted.
Also, did the creator's speech seem reallly scripted to anyone else? Like he had a speech prepared. Not smooth or natural at all. Also, I wish Crescente could've spoken a bit longer.
We live in an age when you can make a game like this at home for free, and thanks to that, there are some people who push the boundries for whatever reason.
That said, I don't condone games like this. I think if you have to time and effort to spend on creating a game around these events, you clearly need to check your lifestyle.
Columbine game - barring the lame ending was a good (if not horrifying) look into the events of that horrible day
Slamdance - trying to cover their asses at the last minute is lame. Either fight for the indie guys or get out of the business and do something safer and less controversial. What did you expect?
Crescente, moisturize moisturize moisturize.
I wouldnt care as much as i do if the game ACTUALY followed the accounts of colombine. As i said in my last post, it takes colombine, rapes it, gives you many more innocent people to kill, severaly pokes fun at the girl who said "yes"
when asked if she believed in god, and then makes about a hundred other charecters just like her, gives it a name with an exclamation point on the end of it to show the excitement of the game, and then is played by thousands of people who think the game is cool and that colombine was an awesome thing.
BTW, im not trying to be like summa hating the wii here.
These thoughts are just why I think Super Colombine Massacare! should have not even been in the slamdance finals anyway, i DO think that them pulling it out at last minute is a horrible idea, but it just disgusts me that the game even made it into that contest.
Anyway, I think that there are artistic statements to be made both about Columbine as well as violent video games, but they have to be executed in such a way in which the artistic intent can be interpreted properly. One need only look to projects like Pirate Baby's Cabana Battle Street Fight 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFJFe05DK7c) to see what a well-informed statement on violent gaming really looks like -- this dude, on the other hand, doesn't seem to really know why he made Super Columbine Yadda Siss Boom Bah RPG.
Pick your battles, you weird lookin' kid.
He has to be VERY careful what he says and how he says it. As does Slamdance. The family could sue for using the names. The victims could sue for psychological damages...the list goes on and on. Just because we don't think that anyone should be sued doesn't present people from clogging up the courts.
If a movie would have been made on the very same subject matter nobody would have freaked out. The creator has made this game in an attempt to put the player in the shoes of the two killers. Try to show them what they might have been thinking, it just takes a different angle at the situation. Never once does it show in anyway that school shootings are good. In fact, you end up going to hell in the game after committing suicide.
Well, yes he hates nintendo, but the wii is a part of his hate, no?
However, that being said, there are far greater atrocities that have occurred (including 9/11) that have been portrayed in movies and video games, and outside of personal reasons, I really fail to see what the big deal is. This event did not touch me personally, so to me Columbine is just like any other murder (or mass murder) I hear about or see on TV. If someone made a game about random murder x, I would care just as little had it been Columbine.
Wishing to censor anyone because you disagree with them is silly. I hate people that aggravate strangers for no good reason other than being assholes (the douche bags and Mega64), and while I don't agree with what they do, I'm not going to try and stop them from doing it. Just because I disagree/hate it doesn't mean I actually expect anything to change.
I think he has every right to make the game, but I hate how some people try to act like he's be persecuted. It was his decision to make the game about a subject that will ALWAYS be touchy.
I don't agree with the Slamdance decision to pull it, though. Much like Crecente said, either allow the game, or don't allow it. Don't wait until the game has become a finalist and then decide to pull it. They've turned their festival into one big, embarrassing clusterfuck.
And if not, STOP MAKING US THINK THAT THEN.
You allways complain that someone has a question about the wii, and as nex said, you make it seem as though you are more aggravated with Nintendo then Sony or Microsoft.
But thats just what im hearing from you.
next, i accidently hit my l button twice, sue me.
Nice photo DeadPixel.
Summa, thoughts?
Do what weekly?
I should really photoshop some clown pants onto Kevin Pereira. It just feels right.
totally agree, if you're gonna make a game with a message it's best to pick a message that doesn't include kids being shot in school, which was a horrible tragedy. It would be like making a game simulating the 9/11 disater.
I feel like making a huge ordeal out of this game being pulled from a website that probably started out as a joke and now he's upset that a group of kids that has no legal backing would pull a disgusting game?
come on dumbass use you're head. That kid is all kinds of messed up in the head if he thinks he's really making an impact on "the war" of video game violence.