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Pirate man Crecente and Columbine RPG boy debate controversy

6:10 PM on 01.23.2007, World Famous 82 comments

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Fellow video game celebrablogger Brian Crecente (you know, that pirate dude from Kotaku) was recently on The Loop on Attack of the Show to talk about the controversy surrounding the Columbine RPG with Kevin P. and the game's creator. After watching the vid and digesting what's going on with this game, how do you feel about it? Should it have been pulled from the festival? Do games like this make kids do bad things? Should Crecente cut his hair?

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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 18:19
1; Since i live not but 10 miles from colombine, and i have a brother that went there, i feel that this game shouldn't have been created. It's been 8 years, yes, but thats still too soon. If i met this guy, i would punch him in the face.
2; Games dont cause violence. I am really sick of hearing it. When my teachers hear that i play violent video games like halo, or GoW or crackdown, they keep a closer look on me. Ever since colombine, people have blamed doom for dylan and harris' violent acts. The parents of these to boys also said that they never heard them making pipe bombs in the basement. Blame the poor parenting, because its the cause, and dont say that they were made fun of all the time. They brought that on themselfs. They did stupid shit all the time, that made people make fun of them.
3; no summa, i dont think that mr pirate boy should get his hair cut.

Will V
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Aetsen at 01/23/2007 18:20
Crecente is at least the third best pirate.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 18:22
They should have never pulled this game from the festival. I think Slamdance in a complete failure because they removed it from the festival. It was an absolutely terrible move. I think it makes it even worse when a controversial video game doesn't even have a place at a video game festival where it is most understood.

And now whoever wins the awards at the festival might not really deserve the awards. 7 games and 1 sponsor have withdrawn from the festival. Although 1 game was forced to be re entered due to the fact that it was created by students of one of the remaining sponsors. This whole thing has turned into shambles.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 18:24
@ wmv337, i have to ask. Why is it too soon to make a video game about it? There have been several movies about it, and people have talked about it non stop. They have already made several movies about the 9/11 attack. Why can they make movies and not a video game?
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Serpentish at 01/23/2007 18:25
A few interesting points.

1) Crecente's figured out how to deal with Pereira. Talk for 6 seconds then shut up. Otherwise get interrupted.

2) The game looks like chud.

3) That Danny guy, flaaaaaming.
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Aetsen at 01/23/2007 18:31
Hell yes Backflip.

You read my mind.
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 18:32
At ted.
I only think that a video game which doesnt just show the utter insanity of colombine, but ranks it up time ten, is just absured. Just the fact that i knew a few of the victims of colombine, and dylan kleebold himself, just angers me, and the familys of those who suffered a loss because two boys who were compleatly out of their fucking minds.
Movies showed half of what happened at colombine.

I know the whole story.

People talk about it because they are still so confused about what happened. And they are just going with what the parents said, that they were made fun of and mistreated in school, and that they both played Doom.

And thats all that people needed, but some still want the full truth.
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deiga-the-semivaliant at 01/23/2007 18:33
Despite the content and the controversy of the game (and the fact that it isn't nearly as serious as the creater claims it is... the kids fight Satan at the end fer crissakes!) it should not have been pulled. Let the judges vote against it if they so choose, but it's kinda silly to remove it because it deals with a real life event.

The game really sucks quality wise, but it should not have been pulled.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 18:36
But why is it too soon? I can understand if the dude did a bad job with the game. But what if the game was as close to perfect in the story telling? Then would the video game be more valid?
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Joseph Leray at 01/23/2007 18:41
I agree with Ted on this one, almost to a T. If 9/11 movies are ok, media portraying this event should be as well. However, the ending does seem to be in particularly bad taste. So while I don't think that the Columbine event should be trivialized in the way that the ending does, I do applaud the game for tackling tough issues.

Speaking purely about Slamdance, it is a farce that they wait until the game does well to remove it. I'd be insulted.

Also, did the creator's speech seem reallly scripted to anyone else? Like he had a speech prepared. Not smooth or natural at all. Also, I wish Crescente could've spoken a bit longer.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 18:44
Orcist, yeah it did seem that way. The way I understand is that they get questions beforehand so they are ready. But it sounded like he memorized it and recited it. And why the fuck was he on the streets with cars driving around?
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Kif at 01/23/2007 18:44
Games like this will never stop being made though. Most of the time, they are done just for the sake of it. I remember when Steve Irwin died (RIP), and it was hours before that flash game popped up.

We live in an age when you can make a game like this at home for free, and thanks to that, there are some people who push the boundries for whatever reason.

That said, I don't condone games like this. I think if you have to time and effort to spend on creating a game around these events, you clearly need to check your lifestyle.
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Mxyzptlk at 01/23/2007 18:45
We should ban City of Villians.
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JoeyBuckets at 01/23/2007 18:46
The creator's speech - orchestrated because everything he says might get his ass sued.

Columbine game - barring the lame ending was a good (if not horrifying) look into the events of that horrible day

Slamdance - trying to cover their asses at the last minute is lame. Either fight for the indie guys or get out of the business and do something safer and less controversial. What did you expect?

Crescente, moisturize moisturize moisturize.
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 18:56
At everyone that says its not too soon for a game like this:
I wouldnt care as much as i do if the game ACTUALY followed the accounts of colombine. As i said in my last post, it takes colombine, rapes it, gives you many more innocent people to kill, severaly pokes fun at the girl who said "yes"
when asked if she believed in god, and then makes about a hundred other charecters just like her, gives it a name with an exclamation point on the end of it to show the excitement of the game, and then is played by thousands of people who think the game is cool and that colombine was an awesome thing.


BTW, im not trying to be like summa hating the wii here.
These thoughts are just why I think Super Colombine Massacare! should have not even been in the slamdance finals anyway, i DO think that them pulling it out at last minute is a horrible idea, but it just disgusts me that the game even made it into that contest.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 18:56
getting sued? There is nothing to get sued over. He made a fucking video game because he had time on his hands. Its about a controversial topic, there is nothing that you can get in trouble about. The slamdance's excuse of not being able to afford a law suit if it happens is absolutely ludicrous.
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Aaron Linde at 01/23/2007 19:00
That's the guy that made SCMRPG? Huh. Weird lookin' kid.

Anyway, I think that there are artistic statements to be made both about Columbine as well as violent video games, but they have to be executed in such a way in which the artistic intent can be interpreted properly. One need only look to projects like Pirate Baby's Cabana Battle Street Fight 2006 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFJFe05DK7c) to see what a well-informed statement on violent gaming really looks like -- this dude, on the other hand, doesn't seem to really know why he made Super Columbine Yadda Siss Boom Bah RPG.

Pick your battles, you weird lookin' kid.
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JoeyBuckets at 01/23/2007 19:01
Ted, you are aware of the civil side of our courts in the US right? People suing for punitive damages, psychological counseling costs, etc?

He has to be VERY careful what he says and how he says it. As does Slamdance. The family could sue for using the names. The victims could sue for psychological damages...the list goes on and on. Just because we don't think that anyone should be sued doesn't present people from clogging up the courts.
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 19:08
Holy shit, i am just playing through some of the game right now. Creep by Radiohead is a song on hear. Fucking awesome. Just for that its got by stamp of approval for now. Shall see how the rest of the game goes from here.
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 19:11
Ted, you are a horrible person just for that comment.
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blackacidevil at 01/23/2007 19:15
its a shitty game made with rpg maker, of course it shouldve been pulled, it shouldve never been there, no matter what the game was about.
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B3RS3RK at 01/23/2007 19:19
hardly
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 19:20
Yeah, the game itself plays terribly.
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B3RS3RK at 01/23/2007 19:20
@ WmV337
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Teamjesus at 01/23/2007 19:26
Whoopie a Psychotic man making a game about some psychotic kids shooting rampage. Guys, THESE THINGS HAPPEN! there are TONS of crazy mother fuckers all over the world doing things like or planning columbine, this guy is just a person who recreated that terrible event, not a good idea but not a shocking one either, at least not to me. Plus Violence in video games causes evil children my ass, it is actually the fucked up child or poor parenting.
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Buster at 01/23/2007 19:30
summa doesnt hate the wii, he hates nintendo o_O(correct me if im wrong summa)
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Namelessted at 01/23/2007 19:31
So i didn't play the game but have been watching a playthrough of it. I honestly don't see anything in this game that would have anybody completely up in arms about it. I think the problem stems from a basic misunderstanding of video games. The mass media and whatnot can jump on video games as something terrible because they don't understand them. As a generation that has grown up with and plays video games we need to support them when they try to do something different with them.

If a movie would have been made on the very same subject matter nobody would have freaked out. The creator has made this game in an attempt to put the player in the shoes of the two killers. Try to show them what they might have been thinking, it just takes a different angle at the situation. Never once does it show in anyway that school shootings are good. In fact, you end up going to hell in the game after committing suicide.
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5lectro at 01/23/2007 19:33
There's a couple good articles on this over at Eurogamer.
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 19:34
At buster:
Well, yes he hates nintendo, but the wii is a part of his hate, no?
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Chris Taran at 01/23/2007 19:37
WmV, I can see why you don't care for the game because you are personally involved in the events, hell if someone made a game (or a movie for that matter) about the real events of my family being killed, I'd be none to happy myself.

However, that being said, there are far greater atrocities that have occurred (including 9/11) that have been portrayed in movies and video games, and outside of personal reasons, I really fail to see what the big deal is. This event did not touch me personally, so to me Columbine is just like any other murder (or mass murder) I hear about or see on TV. If someone made a game about random murder x, I would care just as little had it been Columbine.

Wishing to censor anyone because you disagree with them is silly. I hate people that aggravate strangers for no good reason other than being assholes (the douche bags and Mega64), and while I don't agree with what they do, I'm not going to try and stop them from doing it. Just because I disagree/hate it doesn't mean I actually expect anything to change.

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JJ Rage at 01/23/2007 19:39
His comments sounded scripted because he's been doing thids ever since the school shooting in Montreal last year. I remember seeing video of some Canadian news station that interviewed him via phone, and he was saying the exact same things.


I think he has every right to make the game, but I hate how some people try to act like he's be persecuted. It was his decision to make the game about a subject that will ALWAYS be touchy.

I don't agree with the Slamdance decision to pull it, though. Much like Crecente said, either allow the game, or don't allow it. Don't wait until the game has become a finalist and then decide to pull it. They've turned their festival into one big, embarrassing clusterfuck.
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Chris Taran at 01/23/2007 19:39
bah, "(the douche bags and Mega64)" is suppose to read "(the douche bags at Mega64)".
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World Famous at 01/23/2007 19:39
I don't hate Nintendo or the Wii.
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JJ Rage at 01/23/2007 19:44
Summa just likes to make fanboys weep.
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Serpentish at 01/23/2007 19:47
Summa, remember that time you said that stuff about Nintendo's mama?
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 19:55
Yes you do summa.
And if not, STOP MAKING US THINK THAT THEN.
You allways complain that someone has a question about the wii, and as nex said, you make it seem as though you are more aggravated with Nintendo then Sony or Microsoft.

But thats just what im hearing from you.
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deadpixel at 01/23/2007 19:56
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WmV337 at 01/23/2007 20:01
first, eat my dick backflip.
next, i accidently hit my l button twice, sue me.
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Serpentish at 01/23/2007 20:03
Deadpixel I feel a new photoshop contest coming on.
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bhive01 at 01/23/2007 20:06
I think someone should use RPGmaker to make an RPG about why Summa hates Nintendo and the Wii.

Nice photo DeadPixel.
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Topher Cantler at 01/23/2007 20:11
Yeah, he needs to cut that shit.
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deadpixel at 01/23/2007 20:11
I think it's something we should do weekly over at Nextlust when we get the ball rolling, don't you think Serpentish?

Summa, thoughts?
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World Famous at 01/23/2007 20:21
My views, to you, seem hateful. I'm just trying to be honest with you and myself. When Msoft and Sony fuck up, I say so. But yet I don't hear, "Summa you hate Sony or Summa you hate Msoft!"

Do what weekly?
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Serpentish at 01/23/2007 20:27
Yeah, it'll definitely set us apart. Weekly tech photoshops ftw.

I should really photoshop some clown pants onto Kevin Pereira. It just feels right.
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ArrestedDeveloper at 01/23/2007 20:33
free speech blah blah blah, video games dont cause violence yadda yadda yadda, when it comes down to it the game was just in bad taste, the guy says he wanted to make a relavent game about the impact of columbine but does it by having you be the killers, bad form.
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deadpixel at 01/23/2007 20:35
Photoshop contest for Nextlust (see above pirate for more info)
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World Famous at 01/23/2007 20:54
I'm very Pro-Photoshops. We can make that work.
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Los Milty at 01/23/2007 21:02
@ developer

totally agree, if you're gonna make a game with a message it's best to pick a message that doesn't include kids being shot in school, which was a horrible tragedy. It would be like making a game simulating the 9/11 disater.

I feel like making a huge ordeal out of this game being pulled from a website that probably started out as a joke and now he's upset that a group of kids that has no legal backing would pull a disgusting game?

come on dumbass use you're head. That kid is all kinds of messed up in the head if he thinks he's really making an impact on "the war" of video game violence.
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