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Pioneer makes a huge Blu-Ray photo

Hideo Kojima is probably in tears right now. The newest Blu-Ray offering from Pioneer is a monstrous 400 GB disk. It is composed of 16 beautifully blue layers. Previously this feat was unavailable to Pioneer, but apparently lessons learned while making DVDs larger has helped the process.

Pioneer had this to say to TechRadar about the announcement:
Since the optical specifications of the objective lens…are the same as those for the existing BD discs, it is possible to maintain compatibility between the new 16-layer optical disc and the BD discs.
I’m not going to pretend to understand tech babble, or the drawbacks to a disk this huge. What I will say is that this sounds incredible. 400GB is a ridiculously large amount of space to work with.  If this disk ever becomes available to the market at a decent cost, developers for the PS3 should never have a spacing concern again. We might even be able to experience a completely uncompressed game as well.

I wondered, after Toshiba folded the HD DVD market, if we would see a radical growth in the potential of the Blu-Ray disk. Now that it’s confined to one medium, it looks as though that dream is being realized. Pioneer will have a show-and-tell for the disk in a few days if they can fit it through the door. Until then, Kojima and I can dream of the possibilities together.

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CypherVR's Avatar
CypherVR at 07/10/2008 18:39
TewDee's Avatar
TewDee at 07/10/2008 18:39
So I take is Metal Gear 4: Substance will be out some time...
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eternalplayer2345 at 07/10/2008 18:39
Remember when the first Blu-rays disc were annouced? NO ONE thought that space can be filled until Metal gear. This well probably be easily filled up with a game that has such a fine detail our brains well explode.
Celdurant's Avatar
Celdurant at 07/10/2008 18:42
I wonder how big MGS4 is when all the video and audio files are uncompressed. Man, the possibilities...
ThunderHeartXI's Avatar
ThunderHeartXI at 07/10/2008 18:47
I don't think you want to toss around a phrase like 'Metal Gear Solid 5 confirmed' too lightly there, sir. The fanboys will easily tear you to small bits.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar
Y0j1mb0 at 07/10/2008 18:49
whoah.
randombullseye's Avatar
randombullseye at 07/10/2008 18:49
I had a feeling MGS 5 was in the works.
Dennen's Avatar
Dennen at 07/10/2008 18:53
I don't see Metal Gear 5. Is it supposed to be a joke?..

Someone explain the joke to me.. Maybe I can still chuckle at it.
bipolar beers's Avatar
bipolar beers at 07/10/2008 18:54
this should of came out last year! when mgs4 was still in development stages. oh well maybe they can throw this at those square guys so they can stop giving 360 all the good rpgs and throw sony a bone.
Merry Ho's Avatar
Merry Ho at 07/10/2008 18:59
And some people say that Blu-Ray isn't the future

I laugh at them
vexed alex's Avatar
vexed alex at 07/10/2008 18:59
That is crazy huge. Hopefully developers will be able use those disc for future PS3 games

And give me more fucking bonus content on my Blu-Ray movies!
DV2FOX's Avatar
DV2FOX at 07/10/2008 19:06
Stop fakin' titles!...ok with the 16 layer if true but damn!
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The Amazing Shenazin at 07/10/2008 19:07
oh my, I came at the thought
pedrovay2003's Avatar
pedrovay2003 at 07/10/2008 19:07
My. God.

If that ends up becoming a PS3 standard, then I just quit right now.
Iggy's Avatar
Iggy at 07/10/2008 19:11
These would NOT be compatible with current Blu-Ray players (ie. the PS3).
They're saying that any players that would support 16-layer discs, would also be compatible with the Blu-Ray discs we're currently using.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar
Cowboy TTop at 07/10/2008 19:14
Very cool for dvd collection of tv series, but for games while potentially awesome, they might boost costs a bit.

However, it would be nice if the next gen of consoles used even an 100/200gb Blu Ray. Then they can shut up aboout not enough space for their games, for good hopefully.
Silverback 55's Avatar
Silverback 55 at 07/10/2008 19:15
That's a lot of copies of Talladega Nights.

/someone had to say it
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar
Anus Mcphanus at 07/10/2008 19:23
Imagine the install sizes that come with these babies!
Brad Nicholson's Avatar
Brad Nicholson at 07/10/2008 19:24
@ Anus - That's exactly what I was thinking

And sorry if I mislead any of you RSS guys. I wasn't thinking about that when I wrote it. The title has been changed!
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MrSadistic at 07/10/2008 19:34
I think Kojima can pretty much make every MG-related game ever made using MGS 4's graphics.
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Dexter345 at 07/10/2008 19:47
That disc holds as much as twenty of my 360's hard drives. Damn.
Sharpless's Avatar
Sharpless at 07/10/2008 19:47
I'd just like to say once more that I am so freaking glad the format war is over.
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aaronf at 07/10/2008 19:54
Whatever. As long as developers keep pumping out half assed PS3 ports of year old X360 games, it doesn't matter if you get 4000GB. I'd rather have optimized games on DVD then shitty ports on 16 layer blu-ray.

Yes, I'm a PS3 owner.
bipolar beers's Avatar
bipolar beers at 07/10/2008 19:56
they can fit every episode of wonder years on one disc! and than add every episode of boy meets world as an extra blue ray exclusive. hell yeah
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jsutcliffe at 07/10/2008 20:12
Does it look like that? It's a space-age floppy! Awesome.
mix's Avatar
mix at 07/10/2008 20:20
Blu-Ray UMD!

That is some crazy huge storage space.
monkeyspoon5's Avatar
monkeyspoon5 at 07/10/2008 20:26
Shit, that this has ten times the space of the computer I'm writing this post on. Damm.
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pedrovay2003 at 07/10/2008 20:46
Now, I'm no hardware ace, but would Sony be able to allow the PS3 to support these through firmware updates, or would this be way beyond just downloading new stuff?
xSledgewick's Avatar
xSledgewick at 07/10/2008 20:56
Why don't we worry about the read speed of the PS3 before we start tooting our horns about bigger discs...
Dennen's Avatar
Dennen at 07/10/2008 21:07
@pedrovay2003

I would guess that it's beyond the PS3's capabilities right now. Probably would require a complete relaunch of the PS3.

And the chances of that happening are most likely beyond negative. So i'd say that ah... I honestly have no clue what kind of application this can be used for...

Maybe if digital projectors in theaters started using a SUPER HD to try and raise theater ticket sales... That would be nice... Far beyond 1080p resolution releases for theaters... But I do not claim to know anything about how exactly the projector booths are. I could be far on the side of wrong. But I just do not see what this could possibly be used for... If it's compatible with the PS3 and all Blu Ray Players now, then we're good to go for great things!... If not, then... I kind of see it as a pointless advancement.
Dennen's Avatar
Dennen at 07/10/2008 21:11
Additional note. I suppose we will know more on this answer on Sunday or Monday.
Crunshii's Avatar
Crunshii at 07/10/2008 23:08
what happened to physical media fading out?

wow yall forgot about digital distribution pretty quickly there eh?
BluDesign's Avatar
BluDesign at 07/10/2008 23:51
Ron sez that they won't be able to fill it anyway...

Imagine how long game installs would take with that puppy.


"Son, you were willed this copy of Metal Gear Solid 6 by your grandpappy. Make him proud by playing it all the way through to Disc 3."


"Okay father."
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carg0 at 07/11/2008 00:41
watch Croshaw's review of MGS4. it's better than the game itself.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/99-Metal-Gear-Solid-4
Justice's Avatar
Justice at 07/11/2008 03:10
It still doesn't beat a Holographic Versatile Disc (that can store 1TB!).
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Nogarda at 07/11/2008 05:15
Well I just hope the next gen of gaming systems can use this or obviously better it in the years still to come and go. Storage has always been a factor when it comes to games but then this also means if they up the graphical capacities etc etc etc ... more money meaning even less innovation.
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anomalous underdog at 07/11/2008 05:31
@pedrovay2003: most likely not. it would require a new blu-ray disc reader hardware.
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anomalous underdog at 07/11/2008 05:35
@pedrovay2003: ah wait

[i]
According to the Japanese company: "Since the optical specifications of the objective lens…are the same as those for the existing BD discs, it is possible to maintain compatibility between the new 16-layer optical disc and the BD discs."

So this means you can probably pop one of these big-boys into your newly purchased Blu-ray player and still access all the large space optical goodness when released.[/i]

the prevailing answer is: we'll see
anomalous underdog's Avatar
anomalous underdog at 07/11/2008 05:36
DAMN YOU BBCODE!
dragfindel's Avatar
dragfindel at 07/11/2008 06:18
another step foward into Infinity!
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ssuasw at 07/11/2008 07:26
It wont be too difficult to fill up the disc with game developers like Hideo Kojima around.

Imagine unparalleled orchestral music entirely uncompressed and with zero quality loss and,

SuperSuperMicrowaveyoureyeballs High definition video.
Dosent seem that far fetched to me.

I see a whole new generation of high quality games on the horizon.or it might be the pizza I ordered
SyntaxError's Avatar
SyntaxError at 07/11/2008 10:30
I think if the PS3's read speed also increased, installs will no longer be needed... Maybe it's just me.
PetiePal's Avatar
PetiePal at 07/11/2008 11:50
GTA V: The World.

yaaay
Cowboy TTop's Avatar
Cowboy TTop at 07/11/2008 13:19
Hey, that stuff about getting rid of physical media is never gonna happen. Its like asking everyone to give up their cars and use unreliable public transport and walk again.

On top of all that, the dvd market brings huge profits to big studios for films and especially tv series. I really don't see studios wanting to kick that bucket any time soon.

The taste, smell and feel of chocolate is always better than looking at pictures of it, and the dvd angle is very similar in this regard.

I'd bet the only buggers to not exploit this Blu Ray media next time would be Nintendo. Idiots.
Knyte's Avatar
Knyte at 07/11/2008 17:32
There is no way the existing BluRay players could read this new format.

@ anomalous_underdog:

I believe you have misinterpreted the quote. It means that new 16 layer players could read BR50 (BluRay 50GB) as well as the new BR400 discs, as the tech is the same. The difference is that the to read the new 16 layer disc, the laser has to be able to refocus itself to 16 diffent settings, whereas a PS3 or Blu-Ray's current laser only has two focus settings.

Think of it, as if you have 16 windows in a row about 50 feet in front of you, and each one has words written on it, in a semi opaque paint. Now take a pair of binoculars and read what's on the 1st window. Now, to read what's on the window behind it, you have to adjust the binoculars to bring the 2nd pane in focus to read. Now, you have to refocus again for the 3rd window, etc, etc.
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