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Petition to cease drawn kiddy porn in games photo

A petition has been formed to force new legislation in Japan that could see an end to videogames portraying underage characters in "erotic" situations. The Japanese Diet will listen to this petition and its goal of a ban on games and anime that feature underage illustrated erotica.

Our towns overflow with adult anime magazines and games which often depict elementary school girls, and the minds of the youths who are seduced by these games are unwittingly destroyed; they lose their very humanity, there are already incidents of young maidens being plucked from the streets and murdered. Since it is plain that our society has now become one where young girls are placed in great peril, the issue of free expression is a thing of the past. To curb these profit seeking companies with no conception of social morals, to restrict the creation of products which place young girls in peril, there is a pressing need for penal regulations and the accompanying laws.

We wish to see enacted laws restricting the manufacture and sale of bishojo adult anime magazines, and bishojo adult anime simulation games.

Personally, I find this so-called "loli" stuff pretty disgusting and more than a little creepy, but I'm never a fan of using the law to remove what I don't like. It also doesn't account for the fact that you can pretty easily claim that an illustrated character is any age you want it to be.

I don't agree with the proposed law because not only would it be difficult to enforce (a law that says "make anime characters look a bit older plz" won't work), the games and anime themselves don't actually hurt anyone. As they say; if it harms none, do as thou wilt. Just don't expect to be asked to look after small children or household pets.


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AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:47
AgentMOO
I agree, that underage anime porn is disgusting, but how the would you classify the exact age of a cartoon character?
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:48
Qraze
now what about those vending machines selling used panties......................fncking awesome pervert country.
Kif 's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:48
Kif
Well since I don't look at that stuff anyway (Fuck drawn porn as a whole), and it won't affect me, I don't really see the big deal. Of course Japan is full of weird shit like that, so who knows.
Resonance's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:49
Resonance
Hehe, "penal regulations"
bluemeep's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:49
bluemeep
Penal regulations or penile regulations?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:51
Jim Sterling
Four comments in and someone picked up on "penal regulations." I'm impressed. :-)
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:53
Cheeburga
Delicious loli.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:54
bloodylip
That's fine. I'm just going to start drawing all my kiddy porn characters with degenerative aging diseases, so they look like they're in their mid-30s when they're actually pre-teens.
Aertyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:54
Aertyr
Rapes and murders will happen without cartoons telling them it's okay. People need to realize that the media isn't responsible for their children and themselves. Any Violation of free expression and any law prohibiting it is a childish attempt at quick results. It may be disgusting, but it needs to remain a choice for the public, not the government.
MaximusPaynicus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:56
MaximusPaynicus
@bloodylip
Robin Williams-style "Jack" porn? That's sick, bro.
Dead Movie Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:59
Dead Movie Star
lol, no.

But sadly, everyone loves a scapegoat.
Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 06:59
Professor Pew
Yeah, I'd rather have loli-pervs than cp-pervs.
orao's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:01
orao
my scrumptious fantasies wont be taken away from me!
no matter the law, even IF it IS changed, people alwyas find a way..
and there will be dedicated artists reayd to practice this!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:04
Jim Sterling
And all over the Internet, a thousand worried script kiddies mysteriously take up art class ...
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:13
Puppy Licks

Fucking WHAT?!
Elrando's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:14
Elrando
@Professor Pew
"Yeah, I'd rather have loli-pervs than cp-pervs."

Posting delicious CP

ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:17
ParaParaKing
"the issue of free expression is a thing of the past."
WHAT?
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:23
RJG
What's to stop them drawing girls that look young and claiming them to be 30? Hell, what's to stop them drawing girls who ARE 30 but have an aging condition that causes their body to not go through sexual maturity?

You can make it illegal, but you can't stop it. If you do make it illegal, it will go underground. At least this way the perverts are not forced even further underground without an outlet for their (IMO, not that I'm judging) perverted fantasies about minors.

If you make owning lolicon hentai a crime, then only criminals will have lolicon hentai.
BlackSunEmpire's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:25
BlackSunEmpire
Ban drawn murder, and drawn drugs. Only rainbows from now on.

Not into this stuff, but each to his own I guess.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:25
Demtor
What? Where would Japan be with out sick perverted animation? Thats like Germany without beer! Makes no sense in my warped worldview.
free touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:25
free touch
Well... I mean, look at the way those chicks dress... they are asking for it.
Doomtrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:41
Doomtrain
Good to know that Japan has finished fixing every other facet of their society that they can focus on what's acceptable in their cartoons.
Tino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 07:58
Tino
Cheeburger, I'm fairly sure you yourself are considered loli.

Chances are if we brought you to Japan businessmen would pay lots to see you dance. Something us Dtoiders get to see for free. Consider it a perk.
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:05
glipe
I'm extremely disappointed in the DToid community. It took 4 comments to get the "penal regulations" chuckling in? I came here expecting it as the first thing I saw!

Shame on you all.
Xshinobi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:14
Xshinobi
Oh "Heretic" that makes me feel very happy. Can you post some more please or give me the links.
Drunken Haze's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:33
Drunken Haze
1. Restrictive pornography laws were the reason for so much of this shit, not the cure.
2. The great chain it too powerful and too mysterious for any government to control.
the man in the orange hat's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:40
the man in the orange hat
This issue has been settled in US courts and it is pretty much allowed here. As long as no actual children are being harmed directly by drawings or written descriptions of children, then it's ok...legally.

See this

Still creepy as all hell though.
Puppy Licks's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:46
Puppy Licks
Trouche Elandro, touche.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:49
Kaspar
I'm with pedobear here.

Ban loli? Lets ban Japan as a whole, that would dramatically reduce the amount of pedos. Right?

Quite moronic.
foxhound421's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:50
foxhound421
sorry if i'm being a bit old fashioned here, but how exactly is cracking down on sexual depictions of children a bad idea? i'm not for rampant government regulation of the private sector and you can cite the presupposed "rights" of pornographers all day long, but that doesn't change the fact that the subject matter in question IS EFFING CHILDREN! of course even the power of government won't stop it completely but i think, in this particular instance, it would be a sound move for the Japanese government to take a strong, definitive stance against it by making it illegal to depict any character with less-than-adult proportions in a sexual manner.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:55
Cowboy TTop
Is see what they are trying to do, but it's gonna be very hard to enforce. I'd say this come from outside pressure of puritan nations like the U.S. Its more than likely the U.S are worried certain parts of loli culture give the wrong message, laced in that eternal paedo fear as they are.

I did here that Unicef had a thing about sailor suits in japan, and because of their popularity in cosplay, games, anime and manga wanted to get them band, because they promote that loli culture and youth in the wrong image.

If any of this goes through, its gonna hurt anime, manga and games bigtime, but it won't kill it. These things are part of japanese culture, and while anime and manga stuff is now more mainstream, there's little evidnce that purging such culture will help anyone.

Don't get me wrong, there are some apsects of anime, manga and games that are just plain wrong, but they'd need to prove beyond a doubt that such material is harmful (very hard to do). Again, in similar way to GTA4, its easy to blame pop culture for societies ill, instead of seeking and address the real issues at hand. Japan has many they just ignore, beyond such media.

If there's a crackdown, everything will more than likely move online. The other interesting thing is that loli culture helps sell a lot of such media, so if this was passed, japan loses out lots of money. Its very hard to say no to money, especially when japan is still recover from their recession. Such outside pressure could just as easily see this passed though.
RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 08:59
RJG
@foxhound421, what if the person is an adult? I refer again to the pituitary condition that prevents some people going through puberty. Emotional, mentally, temporally, they are adults. Physically, they are aged, but sexually, they are not. That doesn't stop them being an adult, behaving like an adult and making adult decisions.

With this one loophole alone, the entire industry can remain alive. Banning it will, in effect, take more effort than it is worth, because the situation will change, but the end result will not: arousal at the site of an immature body.

I don't like this shit as much as anyone, but you can't just ban anything you find uncomfortable. Nobody is getting hurt. In fact, if some studies are to be believed, providing a fake outlet prevents real violence. Ideally, we would live in a world where children are protected and people never hurt one another. But we don't. This is a world where everybody is flawed, and freedom of speech can be used by flawed people. It is for everybody or it is for nobody. That is what freedom is. It is not conditional.

You can't stop people making, reading and enjoying this shit, but you have every right not to let one of them near your kids or hire them to work for you. I know I wouldn't. Not out of malice toward them, but out of an overwhelming desire to protect my own.
Milofo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:01
Milofo
From my stay in Japan and seeing the porn stores abundant, my concern is not the fact that they have loli porn but the fact that almost every single piece of porn out there is rape porn. I wouldn't touch that shit with a ten foot pole.
Projectexodus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:02
Projectexodus
I'm split about this...

On one hand, I will be overjoyed that I wont have to see underage girls in these kinds of games anymore (hopefully this will affect movies aswell).
Meaning that I can actually start playing them again, without feeling disgusted.

On the other hand, stuff like this wont make people pedophiles. Pedophiles are pedophiles because they... are!
Sexual orientations doesnt work that way, you know...
It might be possible that its triggered from something severely traumatical (like rape), but not from something as simple as this.

If this crap gets banned, then we might risk having pedophiles taking their fantasies on REAL children, instead of animated ones. And that worries me a lot!
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:14
Cowboy TTop
Another thing. Its often been thought that japan has a very low rate of paedos because such loli/shota material is available to be consumed, possibly curbing those urges they have.

If you compare this to the west, and you'll see a stark difference without it. Paedos everywhere, even in lofty institutions like churches.

I don't agree with the loli stuff, but I'd rather a potential paedo have that crap than go after real kids anyday. At present there is no cure for paedos, so this stuff would at least give the buggers an outlet. Banning drawn material is like banning an imaginary thought, very hard to do. A lot of loli isn't about underage sexy time, but more innocence, cuteness and stuff. Go ask the loli cosplayers and they'll tell you. Unfortunately, some only see the sexy time.

I can see the universities readying there studies into the pros and cons already.
seltzermx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:23
seltzermx
Yeah, drawing someone over a certain age is very tricky. I have a friend who just turned 23, but people often think she’s like 14-15 and if she dressed up she could pass for a 10-11 year old probably. It’s like some of the real porn out there that offer all that “barely legal” stuff. I do think that some of them might look younger than 18, but they probably are over the age limit. They need to define exactly what constitutes an adult.
Yashoki's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:36
Yashoki
I can talk about how Loli is bad or child porn is messed up....but I can't. Because when I type into google "if it harms none, do as thou wilt" I GET WICCAN WEBSITES. What the fuck?!
http://tinyurl.com/62wnoy
Holiday's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:37
Holiday
From what we see here across the pond it looks like Japanese men have a very strong fetish for young schoolgirls. You don't often see grown up and empowered Japanese woman sexualized the same way in Japan. So perhaps it has something to do with the Japanese male psyche. Though again that is what we in the west get exposed to, Japanese schoolgirl fetishism, and perhaps it's not as prevalent as we might be lead to believe. Still it's a rather unhealthy fetish to have and kind of keeps woman 6 paces back.
X3x3non's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 09:43
X3x3non
"On one hand, I will be overjoyed that I wont have to see underage girls in these kinds of games anymore (hopefully this will affect movies aswell).
Meaning that I can actually start playing them again, without feeling disgusted."

What? So that you can play your raunchy hentai games again without being disgusted? Two nurses are shitting in each others mouth! Awesome! Oh no, a school girl!

Hah, I am just an ass.
SyntaxError's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:05
SyntaxError
Suddenly I'm reminded of Welcome to the NHK and "lolita complex".
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:28
Cowboy TTop
Holiday, I think its more a preference thats been in japanese culture, long before the media we enjoy existed, and if this is the case its gonna be very hard to shake. You can dig further on the facts if you must.

Women have always been below men in japanese society, and women still have an uphill struggle to get to that stage of equality we enjoy outside japan.

X3....less of those nurses references...while insanely funny and messed up...
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:29
Noah
Cowboy TTop said...
"Another thing. Its often been thought that japan has a very low rate of paedos because such loli/shota material is available to be consumed, possibly curbing those urges they have."

All it'd take is a quick google of sex crimes in Japan to realize just how twisted sexuality is in Japan and East Asia. I can mainly speak of what I know about Korea, since I have family there, but it's much worse in Japan. Every Korean girl can tell you a story about either being groped or stalked by a pervert. You know perverts in Japan are a problem when you open up a special 'Groping friendly' subway to lure perverts away from crowded 'normal' public transportation. I don't think that just because a vice has been deemed socially acceptable means that it's not damaging society.

I think it's funny to read all the comments of people defending the rights of pedophiles, since all the gamers I know are the biggest porn addicts and perverts I know of. That's not a jab but an observation. It's like asking people at a 'Hardcore NRA Blog' about proposing a new policy on gun control.

Also, banning Child Henti won't be the end of Anime, torrents will :)
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:38
Phoenix Gamma
With regards to the second to last paragraph, Lyn from Fire Emblem is supposed to be 15 years old.

All developers have to do to appeal to pedos and obey the law is to give underage characters some T&A! The law won't know the difference, but all the sweaty pedos sure will!

Phoenix Gamma: pandering to the law and pedos since 2008!
noxious's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:49
noxious
Didn't the loli-style drawings stem from the fact that Japan was so restrictive with their pornography laws that the artists were not allowed to render pubic hair for quite some time? Then the restrictions were lessened, but the drawings didn't change?

I'd look it up, but I am afraid that I'd see if I attempted to.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 10:55
manasteel88
I think this is a lost cause. How do you define what constitutes as loli and more importantly where does that end? this is just a sensational petition that most likely won't go anywhere.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 11:09
MechaMonkey
bloodylip has brought balance to the Pedo-Force.
daCuk's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 11:10
daCuk
I would like to see some official child-rape statistics in Japan to see how much this loli thing promotes (or restricts) those crimes in Japan.
king3vbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 11:13
king3vbo
NO DELICIOUS FLAT CHEST AND CAKE?

UNACCEPTABLE
Sarah Connor's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2008 11:23
Sarah Connor
i found it rather funny that so many of the posters on here are outraged that loli-porn or whatever its called could essentially be banned. hiding somthing guys? ;)
i dont see why banning a margin of what is part of japanese culture is considered banning japan althgether-i own lots of anime and videogames dating back to my beloved cmmordore 64, most japanese, none containing such material. in regards to the likelihood of this creating paedophiles out of the japanese-it wasn't long ago that child porn was in fact legal in japan, and was stopped when an international body stepped in(although i don't know exactly what they were called) while i do not want to lable a whole civilisation-the impressions i have gathered from japanese media as well as my japanese friends is that seeing children in a sexual light is not considered wrong or a big deal.
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