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Petition asks Walmart not to sell 'sexist' Duke Nukem photo

An online petition that asks Walmart to boycott Duke Nukem Forever is gaining some traction. The petition kicks up  stink about DNF's "Capture the Babe" mode, in which women are spanked on the arse to keep them from obstructing the player's view. 

"In this disturbing version of 'capture the flag' the player is tasked with kidnapping a woman from his enemy's base, throwing her over his shoulder, and carrying her back to his base to share the spoils," claims petitioner Shelby Knox. "If she starts to "freak out," the player is encouraged to slap her on the butt until she shuts up. 

"To be clear, Duke Nukem Forever makes a game out of physical and sexual violence against women ... the Capture the Babe mode of the Duke Nukem game, which will be played primarily by young people, sends the message that physical and sexual violence against women is normal, acceptable, and even funny. It's not -- and we have to say so."

Here's the thing. Duke Nukem Forever's premise is pretty sexist, and one can't really deny that. You know what though? Does it really f*cking matter? When it comes to fictional people doing fictional things to each other in a fictional world, does it really affect you? No, it doesn't, no matter how much you pretend a game like DNF could influence society with the "messages" you've projected onto it. 

Seriously, how does it send the message that violence against women is normal? What's normal about spanking women while people shoot at you with a shrink ray?








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koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:04
koehler83
The trouble with personal freedoms is that everyone thinks their own includes the right to remove everyone else's.
CrazyCowboyDon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:05
CrazyCowboyDon
Gearbox humbly thanks them for the free press.
Adam Ruining's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:08
Adam Ruining
As Wal-Mart heads to the Supreme Court of the United States in an attempt to derail a massive class-action lawsuit regarding its treatment of female employees, Wal-Mart needs to sell "Duke Nukem" to maintain its image: that of an ass-slapping good time for the ladies.
Gamernerd101's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:08
Gamernerd101
but violent religious elitist games are okay?
salamagogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:09
salamagogo
Walmart is such a shitfuck..they ban any cd with parental advisory but allow any manner of gory movie or videogame..what sense does that make... Parents need to quit pointing the finger and accept responsibility for their childs upbringing for petes sake...who the hell is pete,anyway...fuck
L0LFAQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:09
L0LFAQ
Ehhhhh...... People never seem to understand that these games hold the M For Mature rating so that impressionable kids can't get their hands on them; if they can get their hands on them ,IT YOUR OWN GODDAMNED FAULT.
nerdmanwhippy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:09
nerdmanwhippy
Yes cause this is so much worse then the other 99 games on the shelf at walmart that encourage you to shoot other people for a fun sport.
Coltronathon5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:10
Coltronathon5000
People need to shut the fuck up. If you don't want your kid playing it then try being a good parent for once.
L0LFAQ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:10
L0LFAQ
it's*
Ralazar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:10
Ralazar
"the Capture the Babe mode of the Duke Nukem game, which will be played primarily by young people"

How do they know how old the player base will be and what modes they will play? The game is rated M, 'nuff said.
SKSith's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:11
SKSith
Counter-petition?
redeemer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:14
redeemer
People still buy video games at Wal-Mart?
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:14
Epic-Kx
LOL WHO BUYS VIDJA GAYMEZ AT TEH WALLMARTZ? AMIRITE?


Who gives two shits. Bitches gon bitch. Haters gon hate. In the end, we'll be tapping ass to shut that chick up.

Pitchford was right.
Jawmuncher's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:16
Jawmuncher
But what will happen to the trucker hat if they do that!
Beyamor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:16
Beyamor
Le derp.

The real problem here is that I'm inclined to buy Duke Nukem in support of its freedom to slap ladies on their behinds despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to the idea of, well, slapping ladies on their behinds.

Can games and the mass media make a compromise? We'll pick one target of unbridled outrage a year, the rest can slink on by.
AnotherRumpKicker's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:19
AnotherRumpKicker
"primarily by young people"?

Pardon?
DAVYDOCK's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:19
DAVYDOCK
I bet the petition is being signed by of bunch of dozy women.....as per usual *rolls eyes*
Darckcloud723's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:20
Darckcloud723
Gearbox should make a new trailer showing this game mode and but it on TV!
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:21
Tristrix
I was going to start a counter petition called "Tell Shelby Knox: Shut the Hell Up" but I can't be bothered to think of anything clever to say in the overview.
Shariq Ansari's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:22
Shariq Ansari
I'm pretty sure that you're not kidnapping the other teams women, but going to rescue your own. So there's that.
NicUrfe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:25
NicUrfe
The game is sexist, let's face it. Making something exaggerated and ridiculous is not enough to constitute satire. If that were true then Micheal Bay and Zach Snyder films would be satires of Hollywood depictions of violence. But they're not. The machismo of Duke Nukem may not be a realistic or particularly attractive depiction of testosterone run rampant, but it certainly doesn't seem to critique it either. Self-enforced stupidity is not an excuse for refusing to engage with the larger world.
And though the game isn't going to cause real-world re-enactions of capture-and-slap, having these images and modes of play swimming around in the cultural bilge-water probably doesn't do anyone much good, and may cause a lot of harm, albeit indirectly. If games are to be taken seriously culturally, then they have to start considering their own morality and ethics.
Of course, the responsibility for this should lie with developers and consumers, not distribution outlets. Should Walmart ban the game? Of course not. That's censorship, and enough of that happens at the house of Rollback already. But should developers be making these games? I personally don't think so. And should consumers buy them? I won't, and I'm saddened to see others do so.

Also, not to be a watchdog, but Jim is so consistent and prolific with these dubious defenses of even more dubious games that I'm beginning to think he's got an agenda. His posts have been laced with sexist comments that he tries to pass off as "satire". While I think he's a genuinely funny writer, and I enjoy his work, a lot of this stuff has been pretty repulsive, and has undermined a lot of the very serious and intelligent discussion that goes on on this site.
tobz1000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:26
tobz1000
"...which will be played primarily by young people..."
I assume they mean young enough to be impressionable - so, children. Seeing as it's rated Mature, and 18+ in Europe, where exactly are they getting this idea from? I hate how more or less every anti-game argument boils down to "games are for kids; they should be all kiddy".
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:26
killias2
"I'm pretty sure that you're not kidnapping the other teams women, but going to rescue your own. So there's that."

If true, it's pretty much an entirely different thing...
Beyamor's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:28
Beyamor
As a follow up, I must deride myself for using the phrase "mass media." I'm left with the taste of angsty pseudo-anarchist/paranoid basement dweller lingering in my mouth.

The last half of that statement, taken out of context, has applied to far too much of my life.
Windy A Carr Stroud's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:30
Windy A Carr Stroud
Walmart sucks monkey ass anyway..
Nick Augustine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:31
Nick Augustine
Is this the reason for the Delay ??? so they can alter some content,
Sterling Aiayla Lyons's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:33
Sterling Aiayla Lyons
And now we see the rise of another generation of kids/young adults that would have been half decent adults if only their parents would have paid a little more attention to them but instead didn't because their parents wasted precious time starting petitions over stupid issues like this...
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:34
Tristrix
@nicUrfe

Are you really this easily offended, or just feel like arguing about something?
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:34
PhilK3nS3bb3n
So that's where all those fucking 13 year olds get COD from! Fuck you Walmart! I'm signing this petition just so I don't have to hear those young players, playing a M rated game they are not supposed to have. Fucking parents (I am one also), how come so many of you can't raise your children?
Attackbaby's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:40
Attackbaby
don't worry petitions usually never accomplish anything. Plus Walmart likes money
DRAGONBILLZ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:41
DRAGONBILLZ
Has the Duke signed the petition yet?
Or has Mike Hunt?
Online petitions are crap, the same person could sign a online petition 50 times under differant names. Wal Mart needs to think do they want to sell a game that can make them money or not sell the game and lose money???? If the woman don't want to purchase the game don't buy it. It's the buyers choice to purchase the game or not, not some bitchy lady who has issues with creativity.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:42
WarZombie
@ NicUrfe

I see your point, but I still believe that the developer and consumer should be allowed to create and buy whatever they want. Even games that depict the horror that was columbine, while arguably offensive, have the right to exist. Is the game sexist? Hell yeah, there is no beating around the bush on that one. However, it is all in good fun. Hell, I'm willing to bet there are a few female Gearbox employees who think it's funny. Movies, books, music, they all have their Duke Nukems, but all continue to exist as art. Video games can have it's Duke Nukems and BioShocks and still move forward as a medium, at least that's my opinion.
apolii90's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:42
apolii90
Satire, how does that work?
styleznma's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:46
styleznma
Why is the game being delayed???
NicUrfe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:49
NicUrfe
@WarZombie: I agree that the game has the right to exist, and I do not support censorship in any form. However, the fact that Duke Nukem (or any other game) is on the market and has consumers has social consequences. Games are fun, but no media is ever just "all in good fun". I think that developers should keep these consequences in mind when setting out to make a game, and that consumers should keep in mind what sort ideas they're supporting when they purchase a game and how their own ideas may be informed (or challenged, to use your own example of Bioshock) by their purchase.
Ratatox's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:49
Ratatox
Spanking women isn't normal?
CrazyCowboyDon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:51
CrazyCowboyDon
@NicUrfe
Really?

I am not saying that the women portrayed in video games aren't overly abhorrent but this game, in particular, is supposed to be offensive.
McDoug8's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:55
McDoug8
Petitions to ban "bad" games: Because raising your kid YOURSELF? Fuck that.
Insanity-Oo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:56
Insanity-Oo
The irony is that while their message may have merit, no one will ever see it; they'll just see that wal-mart doesn't sell DNF. So what it comes down to is that instead of wal-mart banning the game, parents need to tell their kids: "I'm not buying you that game because....."

Seriously parents: DO IT!
Pvt Jackass's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:56
Pvt Jackass
Release CTB gameplay vids, then it'll be Modern Warfare 2 boycott all over again.

In the sense that the people who were complaining about the game end up buying the game anyway.
Flow Krow's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:58
Flow Krow
Gearbox better not puss out.Hyper-sensitive bullshit like this pisses me (and I'm sure others) off.
The Bozz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 10:59
The Bozz
@NicUrfe: "And though the game isn't going to cause real-world re-enactions of capture-and-slap [...]"

Oh, just you wait.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:00
Blasto
A lot of chicks dig spankings; should they be made to feel wrong or abnormal? SHOULD THEY?!
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:01
mix
Oh well, if Walmart does not carry it people will buy it elsewhere...SCIENCE!
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:03
RichardBlaine
@beyamor

"Despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to, well, slapping ladies on their behinds."

In every context?
Metaguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:03
Metaguy
Sexisnm do exist, first and foremost, in our culture. We cant just deny it exists, and try to hide it - midia won't reiforce such concepts, but may help people see it as something stupid and wrong, and so, help change it.

People who are already dumb sexist batards wont get worse because of it; and those who arent are surely influenced more by subtle things in kids movies and cartoons, toys and, first and foremost, their education and relationships. An dumb, satirical game for an limited, adult demografic wont make a difference for the worst; triyng to ignore and hide our politically incorrect ideas, thats dangerous. Remember, the most cruel and sexist societies were and are the most censored ones.
DRAGONBILLZ's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:04
DRAGONBILLZ
The duke signed the petition and left some comments.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:05
manasteel88
I don't have a problem with Walmart choosing not to sell the game or any mature rated games in Walmart. They made their stand with CD's and I have no issue with that. I take issue with the fact that a minority of people are trying to stop the purchaser from distributing it sight unseen with an online petition.

If they have a problem with the games, protest the launch date at Walmart. Stand in front of the cases and tell parents that they shouldn't buy this. Make some real life change instead of hiding behind a petition.

Have they contacted store managers? Most likely not. What they are doing is lazy and exemplifies why there are kids all across the country with poor supervision and parenting.
B P Farrell's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:13
B P Farrell
@NicUrfe

Even if I disagree with your premise, I thought you were making a well-reasoned post, but then you got all whiny, saying developers shouldn't be making these games and you are saddened (!?) that people buy them. Get over yourself, FFS.

True, exaggeration and ridiculousness are not the only ingredients needed for satire, but they are primary ingredients. I think the difference is Michael Bay and Zach Snyder take themselves and their films very seriously (and I doubt they would agree that they include ridiculousness in their films). Duke...not so much. I would argue that Duke Nukem is almost quintessentially satire, because the humor is self-aware.
CrazyCowboyDon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/31/2011 11:15
CrazyCowboyDon
If a woman is truly equal then shouldn't she be able to take a slap?

If not then we are treading into 'affirmative action' territory where the conclusion is that the people in context are inherently inferior and therefore need an insulting leg-up.

That's the ultimate crux yes? "You are too X to be Y to my white male Z."

I, personally, don't subscribe to that line of thought.
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