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The trouble with personal freedoms is that everyone thinks their own includes the right to remove everyone else's.
As Wal-Mart heads to the Supreme Court of the United States in an attempt to derail a massive class-action lawsuit regarding its treatment of female employees, Wal-Mart needs to sell "Duke Nukem" to maintain its image: that of an ass-slapping good time for the ladies.
Walmart is such a shitfuck..they ban any cd with parental advisory but allow any manner of gory movie or videogame..what sense does that make... Parents need to quit pointing the finger and accept responsibility for their childs upbringing for petes sake...who the hell is pete,anyway...fuck
Ehhhhh...... People never seem to understand that these games hold the M For Mature rating so that impressionable kids can't get their hands on them; if they can get their hands on them ,IT YOUR OWN GODDAMNED FAULT.
Yes cause this is so much worse then the other 99 games on the shelf at walmart that encourage you to shoot other people for a fun sport.
People need to shut the fuck up. If you don't want your kid playing it then try being a good parent for once.
"the Capture the Babe mode of the Duke Nukem game, which will be played primarily by young people"
How do they know how old the player base will be and what modes they will play? The game is rated M, 'nuff said.
How do they know how old the player base will be and what modes they will play? The game is rated M, 'nuff said.
LOL WHO BUYS VIDJA GAYMEZ AT TEH WALLMARTZ? AMIRITE?
Who gives two shits. Bitches gon bitch. Haters gon hate. In the end, we'll be tapping ass to shut that chick up.
Pitchford was right.
Who gives two shits. Bitches gon bitch. Haters gon hate. In the end, we'll be tapping ass to shut that chick up.
Pitchford was right.
Le derp.
The real problem here is that I'm inclined to buy Duke Nukem in support of its freedom to slap ladies on their behinds despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to the idea of, well, slapping ladies on their behinds.
Can games and the mass media make a compromise? We'll pick one target of unbridled outrage a year, the rest can slink on by.
The real problem here is that I'm inclined to buy Duke Nukem in support of its freedom to slap ladies on their behinds despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to the idea of, well, slapping ladies on their behinds.
Can games and the mass media make a compromise? We'll pick one target of unbridled outrage a year, the rest can slink on by.
I was going to start a counter petition called "Tell Shelby Knox: Shut the Hell Up" but I can't be bothered to think of anything clever to say in the overview.
I'm pretty sure that you're not kidnapping the other teams women, but going to rescue your own. So there's that.
The game is sexist, let's face it. Making something exaggerated and ridiculous is not enough to constitute satire. If that were true then Micheal Bay and Zach Snyder films would be satires of Hollywood depictions of violence. But they're not. The machismo of Duke Nukem may not be a realistic or particularly attractive depiction of testosterone run rampant, but it certainly doesn't seem to critique it either. Self-enforced stupidity is not an excuse for refusing to engage with the larger world.
And though the game isn't going to cause real-world re-enactions of capture-and-slap, having these images and modes of play swimming around in the cultural bilge-water probably doesn't do anyone much good, and may cause a lot of harm, albeit indirectly. If games are to be taken seriously culturally, then they have to start considering their own morality and ethics.
Of course, the responsibility for this should lie with developers and consumers, not distribution outlets. Should Walmart ban the game? Of course not. That's censorship, and enough of that happens at the house of Rollback already. But should developers be making these games? I personally don't think so. And should consumers buy them? I won't, and I'm saddened to see others do so.
Also, not to be a watchdog, but Jim is so consistent and prolific with these dubious defenses of even more dubious games that I'm beginning to think he's got an agenda. His posts have been laced with sexist comments that he tries to pass off as "satire". While I think he's a genuinely funny writer, and I enjoy his work, a lot of this stuff has been pretty repulsive, and has undermined a lot of the very serious and intelligent discussion that goes on on this site.
And though the game isn't going to cause real-world re-enactions of capture-and-slap, having these images and modes of play swimming around in the cultural bilge-water probably doesn't do anyone much good, and may cause a lot of harm, albeit indirectly. If games are to be taken seriously culturally, then they have to start considering their own morality and ethics.
Of course, the responsibility for this should lie with developers and consumers, not distribution outlets. Should Walmart ban the game? Of course not. That's censorship, and enough of that happens at the house of Rollback already. But should developers be making these games? I personally don't think so. And should consumers buy them? I won't, and I'm saddened to see others do so.
Also, not to be a watchdog, but Jim is so consistent and prolific with these dubious defenses of even more dubious games that I'm beginning to think he's got an agenda. His posts have been laced with sexist comments that he tries to pass off as "satire". While I think he's a genuinely funny writer, and I enjoy his work, a lot of this stuff has been pretty repulsive, and has undermined a lot of the very serious and intelligent discussion that goes on on this site.
"...which will be played primarily by young people..."
I assume they mean young enough to be impressionable - so, children. Seeing as it's rated Mature, and 18+ in Europe, where exactly are they getting this idea from? I hate how more or less every anti-game argument boils down to "games are for kids; they should be all kiddy".
I assume they mean young enough to be impressionable - so, children. Seeing as it's rated Mature, and 18+ in Europe, where exactly are they getting this idea from? I hate how more or less every anti-game argument boils down to "games are for kids; they should be all kiddy".
"I'm pretty sure that you're not kidnapping the other teams women, but going to rescue your own. So there's that."
If true, it's pretty much an entirely different thing...
If true, it's pretty much an entirely different thing...
As a follow up, I must deride myself for using the phrase "mass media." I'm left with the taste of angsty pseudo-anarchist/paranoid basement dweller lingering in my mouth.
The last half of that statement, taken out of context, has applied to far too much of my life.
The last half of that statement, taken out of context, has applied to far too much of my life.
And now we see the rise of another generation of kids/young adults that would have been half decent adults if only their parents would have paid a little more attention to them but instead didn't because their parents wasted precious time starting petitions over stupid issues like this...
So that's where all those fucking 13 year olds get COD from! Fuck you Walmart! I'm signing this petition just so I don't have to hear those young players, playing a M rated game they are not supposed to have. Fucking parents (I am one also), how come so many of you can't raise your children?
Has the Duke signed the petition yet?
Or has Mike Hunt?
Online petitions are crap, the same person could sign a online petition 50 times under differant names. Wal Mart needs to think do they want to sell a game that can make them money or not sell the game and lose money???? If the woman don't want to purchase the game don't buy it. It's the buyers choice to purchase the game or not, not some bitchy lady who has issues with creativity.
Or has Mike Hunt?
Online petitions are crap, the same person could sign a online petition 50 times under differant names. Wal Mart needs to think do they want to sell a game that can make them money or not sell the game and lose money???? If the woman don't want to purchase the game don't buy it. It's the buyers choice to purchase the game or not, not some bitchy lady who has issues with creativity.
@ NicUrfe
I see your point, but I still believe that the developer and consumer should be allowed to create and buy whatever they want. Even games that depict the horror that was columbine, while arguably offensive, have the right to exist. Is the game sexist? Hell yeah, there is no beating around the bush on that one. However, it is all in good fun. Hell, I'm willing to bet there are a few female Gearbox employees who think it's funny. Movies, books, music, they all have their Duke Nukems, but all continue to exist as art. Video games can have it's Duke Nukems and BioShocks and still move forward as a medium, at least that's my opinion.
I see your point, but I still believe that the developer and consumer should be allowed to create and buy whatever they want. Even games that depict the horror that was columbine, while arguably offensive, have the right to exist. Is the game sexist? Hell yeah, there is no beating around the bush on that one. However, it is all in good fun. Hell, I'm willing to bet there are a few female Gearbox employees who think it's funny. Movies, books, music, they all have their Duke Nukems, but all continue to exist as art. Video games can have it's Duke Nukems and BioShocks and still move forward as a medium, at least that's my opinion.
@WarZombie: I agree that the game has the right to exist, and I do not support censorship in any form. However, the fact that Duke Nukem (or any other game) is on the market and has consumers has social consequences. Games are fun, but no media is ever just "all in good fun". I think that developers should keep these consequences in mind when setting out to make a game, and that consumers should keep in mind what sort ideas they're supporting when they purchase a game and how their own ideas may be informed (or challenged, to use your own example of Bioshock) by their purchase.
@NicUrfe
Really?
I am not saying that the women portrayed in video games aren't overly abhorrent but this game, in particular, is supposed to be offensive.
Really?
I am not saying that the women portrayed in video games aren't overly abhorrent but this game, in particular, is supposed to be offensive.
The irony is that while their message may have merit, no one will ever see it; they'll just see that wal-mart doesn't sell DNF. So what it comes down to is that instead of wal-mart banning the game, parents need to tell their kids: "I'm not buying you that game because....."
Seriously parents: DO IT!
Seriously parents: DO IT!
Release CTB gameplay vids, then it'll be Modern Warfare 2 boycott all over again.
In the sense that the people who were complaining about the game end up buying the game anyway.
In the sense that the people who were complaining about the game end up buying the game anyway.
@NicUrfe: "And though the game isn't going to cause real-world re-enactions of capture-and-slap [...]"
Oh, just you wait.
Oh, just you wait.
@beyamor
"Despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to, well, slapping ladies on their behinds."
In every context?
"Despite being, in fact, pretty opposed on a personal level to, well, slapping ladies on their behinds."
In every context?
Sexisnm do exist, first and foremost, in our culture. We cant just deny it exists, and try to hide it - midia won't reiforce such concepts, but may help people see it as something stupid and wrong, and so, help change it.
People who are already dumb sexist batards wont get worse because of it; and those who arent are surely influenced more by subtle things in kids movies and cartoons, toys and, first and foremost, their education and relationships. An dumb, satirical game for an limited, adult demografic wont make a difference for the worst; triyng to ignore and hide our politically incorrect ideas, thats dangerous. Remember, the most cruel and sexist societies were and are the most censored ones.
People who are already dumb sexist batards wont get worse because of it; and those who arent are surely influenced more by subtle things in kids movies and cartoons, toys and, first and foremost, their education and relationships. An dumb, satirical game for an limited, adult demografic wont make a difference for the worst; triyng to ignore and hide our politically incorrect ideas, thats dangerous. Remember, the most cruel and sexist societies were and are the most censored ones.
I don't have a problem with Walmart choosing not to sell the game or any mature rated games in Walmart. They made their stand with CD's and I have no issue with that. I take issue with the fact that a minority of people are trying to stop the purchaser from distributing it sight unseen with an online petition.
If they have a problem with the games, protest the launch date at Walmart. Stand in front of the cases and tell parents that they shouldn't buy this. Make some real life change instead of hiding behind a petition.
Have they contacted store managers? Most likely not. What they are doing is lazy and exemplifies why there are kids all across the country with poor supervision and parenting.
If they have a problem with the games, protest the launch date at Walmart. Stand in front of the cases and tell parents that they shouldn't buy this. Make some real life change instead of hiding behind a petition.
Have they contacted store managers? Most likely not. What they are doing is lazy and exemplifies why there are kids all across the country with poor supervision and parenting.
@NicUrfe
Even if I disagree with your premise, I thought you were making a well-reasoned post, but then you got all whiny, saying developers shouldn't be making these games and you are saddened (!?) that people buy them. Get over yourself, FFS.
True, exaggeration and ridiculousness are not the only ingredients needed for satire, but they are primary ingredients. I think the difference is Michael Bay and Zach Snyder take themselves and their films very seriously (and I doubt they would agree that they include ridiculousness in their films). Duke...not so much. I would argue that Duke Nukem is almost quintessentially satire, because the humor is self-aware.
Even if I disagree with your premise, I thought you were making a well-reasoned post, but then you got all whiny, saying developers shouldn't be making these games and you are saddened (!?) that people buy them. Get over yourself, FFS.
True, exaggeration and ridiculousness are not the only ingredients needed for satire, but they are primary ingredients. I think the difference is Michael Bay and Zach Snyder take themselves and their films very seriously (and I doubt they would agree that they include ridiculousness in their films). Duke...not so much. I would argue that Duke Nukem is almost quintessentially satire, because the humor is self-aware.
If a woman is truly equal then shouldn't she be able to take a slap?
If not then we are treading into 'affirmative action' territory where the conclusion is that the people in context are inherently inferior and therefore need an insulting leg-up.
That's the ultimate crux yes? "You are too X to be Y to my white male Z."
I, personally, don't subscribe to that line of thought.
If not then we are treading into 'affirmative action' territory where the conclusion is that the people in context are inherently inferior and therefore need an insulting leg-up.
That's the ultimate crux yes? "You are too X to be Y to my white male Z."
I, personally, don't subscribe to that line of thought.
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