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Persona fans, take note: Exploring Kanji's sexuality in Persona 4 photo

You may have noticed over this past few months that I talk a lot about Persona 4, and that's because I'm genuinely addicted to the experience that Atlus has created in the unique RPG (or for that matter, the entire Shin Megami Tensei series). Atlus creates personable characters with more than just a pretty face, which is a part of what makes the game compelling -- they have many, many layers to discover as you go along.

Perhaps the most-discussed character from Persona 4 is Kanji Tatsumi, a young man who faces some serious questions about his sexuality. I had the honor of chatting with Samantha Xu (also known as Dtoid community member Superflossy) about the topic for an article she was working on for Gamasutra, which you can now read here.

For any fan of the game who has already completed their first playthrough or is merely starting to discover the path of the game's storyline, it may be interesting to read about people's thoughts on not only Kanji's journey, but about the state of sexuality in games as well. Would it be disturbing for you to play a game as a sexually ambigious or gay character?


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Sylvan Knoll's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:24
Sylvan Knoll
If I were playing by myself, I wouldn't have a problem. If friends were around...well...I doubt I'de be playing a game with a gay character. Cause if you're not Marcus Fenix macho...then you're gay 'round these parts.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:28
Syn
I don't know, I don't have a problem with gay people, but I don't think I would be able to connect with a main character that was gay. Sexually ambiguous maybe, 'cause no one knows and at that point it ultimately doesn't matter.

Of course if it was crucial to the story, you should be given an option.
Bulkmailer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:28
Bulkmailer
Well, he was scared of chicks and then was attracted to what he then thought was a boy. He's confused. When this game tackles real life issues you can treat them like real life issues so that means in the end who cares about someones sexual preference.
Chibi_Zero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:29
Chibi_Zero
Would the game be fun to play? thats all that really matters.
Tdiddy9182's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:30
Tdiddy9182
I really enjoyed how Kanji was portrayed, he wasnt a total gay stereotype, he was just a confused teenager struggling with the feelings he was experiencing. For spoiler reasons I wont explain further, but I liked the interactions between him and Naoto. After beating the game last night (82 hours!) I cant wait to go back through and try to pick up on these subtlties my second time through.

Wonderfully written article! Cant wait to read more from you
power-glove's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:31
power-glove
As I have said before, wonderful article Sam.
I wish I could contribute more but I don't play Persona games. I just don't have the time for JRPGs anymore.
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:36
Scary Womanizing Pig Mask
Bookmarked for when I beat it :)
IroN1c's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 15:46
IroN1c
I'm so hyped for Persona4. Only 1.5 months until it's release! Europe ftw.
Zodiac Eclipse's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 16:01
Zodiac Eclipse
If it had a good story and the character wasn't just an obnoxious stereotype then I'd play it. I'm actually pretty curious about Persona now.
iconsam's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 16:04
iconsam
Great article! You pretty much wrote the conclusion. :)

I think the way they handled Kanji's character was great. Definitely one of my favorite characters. Also, I think my wife has a crush on Kanji. I'm about halfway through the game and she keeps wanting me to increase his social link. HIM ONLY...
superflossy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 16:27
superflossy
^__^ aww colette, i love you so much.

@iconsam
LOL, your wife is not alone, i had a big crush on Kanji too. yes, definitely increase his social link! the ending is hilarious!
Palidi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 16:34
Palidi
Spoiler warning for Persona 4:

I don't think Kanji is gay, but rather, just Bisexual. He displays an infatuation with Naoto, even after revealed to be a female pretending to be a male. I did like to see how he was the more normalized "conflicted teen" though, rather than an outright stereotype(shadow Kanji an exception).

End spoiler warning

I wouldn't really care about the sexual preference of the main character unless it hindered the rest of the game somehow(which seems unlikely).

@Superflossy(idk if your looking at this, but incase)
Nice article. Really enlightening to the context of the commentary in the game.
AudioTerror's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 16:45
AudioTerror
Fantastic read. I love Persona 4. I spent 150 f'ing hours on it. My first save file got corrupted after 60 hours and had to replay it again and beat it after 90 more hours.

It's my GOTY. Hands down. I love how there have been several thought provoking articles on the subject matter in the games.
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 17:29
Wedge
I think the part about how homosexuality exists in Japan, and how it's OK to engage in it, but not have it as part of your identity was very interesting. Now it makes a little more sense why they were so ambiguous about him in his actual plot sequence.

Either way though, it's a shame he's like, the worst character in the game to actually use =<.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 17:52
Shoop
I wish you could date Kanji. I want that social link but I don't wanna date a chick :(
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 18:01
Gen Eric Gui
Massive spoilers follow.



Kanji is not gay. He is not even bisexual. Anyone who arrived at either of these conclusions need to play the game again and actually -read- what is being said.

Kanji is afraid of girls because of an incident in his past when he was made fun of by girls in his class for liking to sew. This made him decide to hide his hobbies from the world and to become an over-aggressive macho guy to make himself appear more "manly" in his and other's eyes. The -real- point of Shadow Kanji's insistence that people accept him for who he is isn't about sexual identity, it's about him being scared of people finding out about his un-manly hobbies and not accepting him as a person because of it.

I mean Jesus Christ they even tell you at the end of the game that everything the Shadow Selves say is wrong because the Midnight Channel is designed to show people what they want to see, not what is actually the truth(The only part that can be trusted is after the show is over, IE once they actually confront themselves and the boss appears. If you'll notice, Shadow Kanji immediately loses his lisp, his smile, and every single gay stereotype he was suffering from just before the boss form appears). In fact, that's the WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME.

And if you need further proof, once Naoto's true identity is revealed, Kanji is on her like a wolf. And consider that he gets a nosebleed (Japanese for sexual arousal) at seeing the girls in their swimsuits at the riverbed. And similarly at the hotsprings later in the game. How anyone can even begin to consider that Kanji is gay is completely outside my realm of understanding.

Urgh, this whole topic makes me ill. People need to learn to read, srsly.
darkopiate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 18:17
darkopiate
@ Collette - Being gay, Should my question be "Would it be disturbing to play as a straight character?" I find that question and the use of the word disturbing quite offensive in itself. Sure I know you have been on gay gamer but the article itself seems like you were scared to offer your opinion on the matter, or maybe the last sentence is the answer.
@ Chad concelmo - Well we know your stance, as when you think of something horrible in terms of not going to heaven being a "Gay murderer" was the most horrible thing that could spring to your mind (what a belly laugh....)

This pretty much sums up my feeling on this site lately and wish to announce my last post. Nor will i bother to check for a reply.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 18:23
Gen Eric Gui
ITT: We pick out tiny little mis-speaks in people's posts and blow them way out of proportion, then bitch about them and make a fuss to get internet street cred.

The fact that anyone is (still) angry at Chad for that is completely insane.
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 18:32
Jonathan Holmes
@ Darkopiate- What does Chad have to do with anything? He didn't even comment on the post, did he?

It seems like you're trying to make Colette and Chad feel guilty for something. I don't understand what that something is, but just the fact that you took the time to try and guilt trip two of the least judgmental, accepting people I've ever know is pretty damn weird.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 19:18
Kyousuke Nanbu
Jesus Gen calm down, nobody is saying he's gay, you're acting like every single person here wrote "KANJI IS A GIANT HOMO".

Anyway, I love Persona 4, actually that's not a fair assement, I FUCKING ADORE IT, ONE OF THE BEST RPG'S EVER.

I love the music, its so ungodly catch, I'm at 30 hours and I just beat Rise's dungeon, using Chie, Kanji and Yukiko though I wanna try Teddie out, I love how every character is flawed, they all have something they hid and that's why the shadows came to life like that, Kanji is someone anyone can relate to because at the core of his issues is one thing that about 90% of people have expirienced.

Being rejected for who you really are.
RedCricketChase's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 19:30
RedCricketChase
I would not be disturbed to play as a bi/gay/ambiguous char, cuz I am a gay dude! I'd love for there to be a rad non-hetero lead char in a great game :D Besides my toons in WoW, I mean.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 20:40
hpv
Would it be disturbing for you to play a game as a female character?

Would it be disturbing for you to play a game as a black character?

Would it be disturbing for you to play a game as a midgit, tree, or mountain character?

What's disturbing is that anyone would feel the need to ask a question like that.
Shoop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 20:57
Shoop
@HPV

It would be disturbing to play as a Midget Mountain Tree, though.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 21:08
Gen Eric Gui
@Kyosuke: Like I said in my post, I'm just sick of hearing people say this every single place I go. I refuse to believe so many people completely ignored all the facts the game gives you regarding this.
superflossy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 21:50
superflossy
Eric, Kanji's status is both open and debatable. There are even people at Atlus who worked on the game who think his character is gay. And others who think he is straight. There really is no right or wrong in this. I think the important point here, when looking at video games in a social context, is the fact that a game character like him exists and that his struggles are portrayed in such an engaging way.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 21:55
007
Kanji isn't gay, but ok...

I thought he was at first, too. And I'm not trying to convince myself that he isn't without proof. The game shows, several times, that Kanji isn't gay. Play through the entire game, and it'll be kinda obvious.
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 22:00
Gen Eric Gui
@superflossy: No, there really isn't much room for interpretation. The game pretty much explicitly states that he isn't, and that's that.

And of course the Atlus staff aren't going to say one way or the other in an interview, they're not going to spoil their own game's story right there in public. That would be incredibly inept. It's obvious that they're just giving the standard flat non-responses that pretty much every company gives when asked direct questions about a game's plot.
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 22:01
Colette Bennett
You guys amaze me sometimes.

I posed the final question because I wanted to stimulate discussion, not because I am homophobic. Why would I be interested in commenting on a game character if I had a problem with his sexual status? I think it's incredible that Atlus created a character like Kanji and was brave enough to present him to gamers. No matter what people say, sexual issues aren't questioned often enough in games, and I am deeply impressed by his presence in Persona 4.

As for me personally, if you bothered to know anything about me rather than just judge my words as you see fit via a website, you would know I am one of the most open-minded, gay friendly people you've ever met. The fact anyone would lose their shit, or leave this website, because of the way they choose to interpret a sentence specifically designed to get people to discuss the topic, is mindblowing.

The theme of Persona 4 is fear of being accepted for who you are and accepting others as they are. Perhaps people should consider that when discussing these types of topics instead of judging and leaping to conclusions.
superflossy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 22:20
superflossy
@eric
gee, no room for interpretation huh? it would be great to just look at something through just one perspective. we'd all become so much more enlightened. also, the next time YOU interview an atlus developer let me know what they say, will you? thanks. because i have backup interview transcripts that quote two developers talking directly about the plot and spoilers.
Dreamsower's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 22:31
Dreamsower
I think that the presentation of Kanji's character and his dilemmas were done in a very thoughtful way in Persona 4. They found a way to convey a serious, and sometimes uncomfortable for some, topic in a way that I thought balanced serious issues and humor that helped dissolve the possible awkwardness.

I personally was left with the impression that he was possibly Bi-sexual or maybe just straight but made to THINK he was gay by "society's standards". I didn't max out his social link though so I missed out on some quality Kenji time.

I loved his voice actor though. Also I wonder why I seem to take more time to beat RPGs than most other people hah. I clocked in just under 130 hours on my first play through of P4, granted it was on expert or whatever the harder difficulty was. Persona 3 took me 150 hours on a first playthrough O_O. I wonder where I will get the time to continue playing my SMT games once I graduate college this spring.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 22:54
garison
I wrote a Cblog about Kanji a few weeks ago. I think it is so fucking cool for Atlus to put a character with problems like this in the game. Shit like this really could be explored a lot more in games, and the fact that Atlus did this really shows how mature the gaming industry CAN be.

@Darkopiate: Man, you really need to settle down. Colette and Chad are some of the coolest and open minded people you could ever meet on the internet. I'm not pretending to know them that well, because well, I don't. I understand that what Chad said on episode 75 could offend people, but unless you are a really fucking stuck up bastard, you would unerstand that it was just a joke. As not technically "straight" person myself, I'm not just talking out of my ass here. So please just lighten up, or get out.
tehSharkness's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/29/2009 23:44
tehSharkness
Well, considering that one of the supporting characters in Enchanted Arms was OPENLY homosexual, I would say I don't mind to much. Although Makoto was flamboyant to the point of ridiculousness.
Secret Cow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 00:33
Secret Cow
Did anyone here play Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within? That one had sort of an Anne Ricey homoerotic relationship between Gabriel and the antagonist character It was kept ambiguous, and relatively subtle, but if you read all the backstory in the library it was pretty clear.

When I first played that game in 1995 I was impressed by how it handled the subject in a way that wasn't really sensational. It was just an aspect of the characters that informed some of their decisions, and made the story as a whole more tragic.
Secret Cow's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 00:33
Secret Cow
Did anyone here play Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within? That one had sort of an Anne Ricey homoerotic relationship between Gabriel and the antagonist character It was kept ambiguous, and relatively subtle, but if you read all the backstory in the library it was pretty clear.

When I first played that game in 1995 I was impressed by how it handled the subject in a way that wasn't really sensational. It was just an aspect of the characters that informed some of their decisions, and made the story as a whole more tragic.
RiotMonster's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 01:34
RiotMonster
This reminds me of another article I read about homosexuality in video games. Really not trying to plug another site here, but this article really got me thinking.

http://www.kombo.com/article.php?artid=12250
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 07:33
Cowboy TTop
I agree with Colette. Its healthy and refreshing to see these types of characters coming into our games, with real problems, and from Atlus too.

I personally don't mind about a characters preferences (sure, I play games to escape and have fun), but if it shapes their character with good/bad substance, making a game more fun, this shows signs of an industry maturing, the more of it we should see, so long as its not tagged on for the sake of it.

One of the reasons these kinds of characters have been slow to see in western games is because the majority of gamer are male, probably less emotional and seeking predictable male action n thrills.

There are still many immature male gamers who won't even play a game where you are a female character, so there's still an uphill battle for hearts and minds. Only positive change and games like Mass Effect, Persona 4 will help the cause. When games reach that point, more non gamers will play hopefully.
Tet's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 08:48
Tet
The fact that it's deep enough that it can be interpreted different ways and argued is why I love this game series. A refreshing change from the usual "bad guy destroyed your home town and you're out for revenge... but he isn't the REAL bad guy *dun dun duuuunnnnn*" that has been done to death in 99% of games.
Aguro's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/30/2009 11:49
Aguro
I guess the main point of Kanji's story is that it doesn't matter if he's gay or not. Kanji is Kanji. Still Kanji isn't gay, he's confused. He basically spent his entire childhood being called 'fag' (for all intents and purposes) because he's always had interests that were atypical to the mainstream idea of what masculine hobbies and interests should be. As a result he has spent his life overcompensating for this by creating a misanthropic, violent and exaggerated masculine persona for himself. He's gotten used to repressing his true personality while still knowing what he is on the inside that he's begun to label his true feelings and self in the same way that others did in the past.
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