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Perry: Say goodbye to single-player games photo

Dave Perry, founder of Shiny Entertainment (Earthworm Jim, Messiah), has been speaking at DICE 09 in Las Vegas, where he talked about used games, growing technology and the short future of the single-player experience.

Perry spoke about how technology is moving more and more towards the digital, stating that he is currently looking into the possibility of remotely storing games, then delivering finished frames to the player via flash video, effectively eliminating the need for a consumer to own powerful hardware in order to play a game. High concept stuff, but something Perry likes for the obvious reason -- the elimination of used games.

However, while such technology is interesting, it seems that the Shiny founder has a less promising outlook for the future: "I personally think the days of single-player games are numbered. Without question, our focus is entirely on multiplayer."

Perry uses the example of China and Korea, stating that if they ever find their Miyamoto or Kojima, existing business models could be in trouble, faced with high quality, free-to-play multiplayer games. It's an interesting theory, but personally, I have to wonder how long I will be able to care about an industry that completely ignores single-player games. Sometimes you need a linear, one-player game in order to tell a story, and if this industry decided story no longer matters, I'll probably hang up the controller for good. 

I can't see single-player games going away anytime soon, but let's not help that to happen. As videogames reach the technological heights needed to craft stories that can rival movies, it'll be a crime to throw that all away.








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MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:03
MrSadistic
Yeah, I bet he also thought DivX was the "next big thing" too.
WarZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:07
WarZombie
Lol.

Really, if that was true, then BioShock wouldn't have sold as well as it did. That's pure bullshit, and Single Player isn't going away anytime soon (or ever).

What I can see happening is more and more games will implement co-op into their games (which is already starting to happen).
Backspace529's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:09
Backspace529
Single player games will never go away. That's just a silly assumption. Fuck the constant want to implement multiplayer into everything. Multiplayer games have their place, but could never replace a good single player experience. Unless they want to lose half their customer base.
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:11
the Golden Avatar
The day single player games ago away is the day I stop buying games.
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:12
garison
I don't even really like exclusively multiplayer games. I'm pretty much a single player gamer.

And I don't think I like his ideas on all consoles held on an exretnal server and having games fed to us. Sure it would make a lot less waste with only downloadable games, and expensive consoles to manufacture, but I like owning stuff. I bet I sound like an old fashioned twat, but I really want to own a physical copy of the game.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:13
falinter
I don't like anything about anything this guy just said. Fuck not owning my own game and fuck not being able to just play a game by myself.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:14
Monodi
So Super Mario Galaxy is multiplayer?
Stratus's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:14
Stratus
Stop worrying about whether or not single player games are going to disappear and make me a new Sacrifice!
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:15
ParaParaKing
Yeah, right. Because MGS4 and GTA4 didn't sell a shitload.

Perry went from making great games to making very shitty games really fast and shouldn't be trusted by anyone anymore.
superezekiel's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:15
superezekiel
Has he not noticed that massively amazing single player games coming out the past few years? Single player will always be just as important as multiplayer.

Dude is just screaming apocalypse at the sight of a fire. Gaming will change, but hardly into the direction where every single game is played with others.
Geoff Henao's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:18
Geoff Henao
You guys are being too fucking literal with what he's saying. Somebody said "Yeah, because MGS4 and GTAIV didn't sell a shitload." However, if you seem to forget, they both had multiplayer aspects in them. What Perry's trying to say is that, sure, there are still really great single players games out, and will be out, but that there are a lot more multiplayer games coming out and have been out, since the days 16-bit days. Hell, even since the 32-bit days.
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:19
Qraze
well maybe he should go make games for china because he's wrong on so many levels thinking we don't want single player games. multiplier is great but i also need a story at times to capture my mind.
Mr Gilder's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:19
Mr Gilder
"Sometimes you need a linear, one-player game in order to tell a story, and if this industry decided story no longer matters, I'll probably hang up the controller for good."

Amen Brother. Amen.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:26
John B
If games lose their single-player aspect, I'll never buy a new game again.
Angry Damman's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:29
Angry Damman
Single player demise is probably a bit drastic, but I can totally see the them becoming the minority with mainstream focus going towards online multiplayer. Already we've got coop becoming a "norm" with new releases. And several of the most popular genres are discounted without a strong multiplayer mode.
FinalFist's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:37
FinalFist
Agreed..annnnddd... agreed.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:38
dip
The day single player games become obsolete will be the game I quit gaming.

Which will be never. This guy is a fucking loon.
Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:45
Drack48
I never quite understand why he has so much clout..OK Earthworm Jim, Aladdin, MDK..all good games fifteen years ago, but that makes him qualified to give all his speeches on the industry today?

It's a totally different animal, this guy couldn't make a game to compete in today's market to save his life, so now he spouts out this kinda bullshit and gets paid lots of money as an "expert".

Go make your Cool Spot MMO, I'll be playing God of War 3,
OutrageousToob's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:46
OutrageousToob
I'll quit gaming if single playergoes extinct and/or physical media goes the way of the dodo. I don't like the idea of the publisher/designer having as much control as they'd like.

Why is this guy talking? He hasn't made anything worthwhile in ages.
nukka jdav's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:47
nukka jdav
How does someone like this man survive in the video game industry?

Oh wait, the Westboro Baptist Church exists, so I guess anything is possible.
Charlie X's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:49
Charlie X
Balls to that. You can't have an interesting narrative (see Silent Hills 1-4, Half Life 2, Bioshock, Baldur's Gate) with gurning twats plaguing you every few seconds.
You could play with good people, but you've met people, do you really want them spoiling the pants-wetting fear of a decent horror game when you're alone in the dark? No, single player games are good for same reason a book or a story is good, you can't have a good one with everyone teabagging each other and giggling.
Some multiplayer experiences are good (Left4Dead) but their narrative is minimal at best (you're human, they're dead, kill them but stick together).
So no, like the eighty-billion people who said this naive, sweeping statement, he is wrong.
Timstuff's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:54
Timstuff
The fact of the matter is that I don't have time to play every multiplayer game out there. I would rather have a good single player game first, and if there's a great multiplayer mode in there too then that's dandy. The guy making the Wanted game made some pretty good points about single player vs. multiplayer, and I wish more devs would follow their lead.
SurplusGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 11:59
SurplusGamer
I believe I'll always have my single-player focused games. I hope I'll still have games which are single player only. I better have. I just finished Shadow of the Colossus and I have no time for what this guy is saying.
CrocBox's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 12:07
CrocBox
I would probably also quit, though I don't really see it entirely possible.
Colette Bennett's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 12:18
Colette Bennett
"The day single player games become obsolete will be the game I quit gaming. "

Dip said everything I was gonna say.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 12:37
atastysammich
So this means that PSP revival of Earthworm Jim is dead then, huh. Like, Viewtiful Joe 3 dead.

I wouldn't mind seeing a Wacky multiplayer game or two come out of this, for the sake of Perry getting it out of his system, if nothing else. I'm sure it's just a phase--we all remember when Keita Takahashi said he was done making videogames forever after Katamari Damacy (not counting when he was strongarmed into doing the first sequel).

Also, my kingdom (and/or several Internets) for an unmacro'd version of the headline image.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 12:48
ParaParaKing
Seeing how gaming is becoming more and more of a story telling medium in the last years, single player games will never be gone.
Also about Korea and China not producing any single player games: That is completely wrong and not true. Just because everybody is thinking the big money lies in multiplayer games, there is no garanty their investments will pay off.
Tet's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 12:54
Tet
So in the future all RPGs will be tedious grinds with people running around mindlessly attacking whatever is stupid enough to be near them and nothing actually advances in any noticeable way until an expansion? Oh goodie.
Satsumomo's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 13:15
Satsumomo
Me and all of my gamer buddies, 95% of games we play are singleplayer, or maybe multiplayer, but not online-multiplayer.

The only multiplayer games we play are Guild Wars and Left 4 Dead.
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 13:33
mrplow8
Single player games died a long time ago, as far as I'm concerned. I hate games that I play through once and never touch again. I always end up feeling like I could have rented it and saved money. If I had rented every game that I ever bought and either beat or got sick of in the first week, I could probably use all the money I would have saved to go buy a brand new car.

Back in the day I would play through the same game 30 or 40 times before I'd get sick of it. That rarely happens anymore. And now a days if a game comes out that I do play through more than once, it's because it's style is based on old games, like New Super Mario Bros. for example.

Remember back when only some people had email addresses? Now it's hard to find someone who doesn't have one. When we reach a point where everyone has a gamer tag, people will be more likely to buy games that have online multi-player modes. Then developers will have to cater to those people, because that's where the money will be.
akathatoneguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 13:49
akathatoneguy
This guy is fucking insane and I'm glad that not all devs think like he does. Good God man, some of the biggest games of the last few years have been single player ONLY, like Fallout 3, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, etc.

These developers who think that they can compete by worrying more about multiplayer had better be careful. There only ever seems to be room for a couple of popular multiplayer games of each type on each console. For instance, right now basically everyone on 360 is either playing CoD 4 or 5, GoW 2, or Halo 3. The rest of the multiplayer games are splitting up a very limited number of players. If you make, say a FPS, and want people to buy solely on MP, you have a steep mountain to climb to get people to set down their Gears, CoD or Halo games.

If anything can hurt single-player games, it's that everyone thinks that their single-player games have to be so damned long. Like what MrPlow said, you're just unlikely to replay a 40 hour or even 15 hour game over and over again. I kind of miss the shorter games that you could play through in a night with friends or whatever.

I just would much rather have polished single-player experiences than tacked on multiplayer for EVERY game when nobody wants it or will use it. Why spend time making a MP Bioshock mode when people will just go back to their freaking Halo 3 in a week anyway?
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 13:51
Chris Carter
Uncharted; POP; Fallout 3; Oblivion; Mass Effect; Bioshock; God of War

Yea. Those top sellers totally were multi-player, and their multiple planned sequels totally are too.
Benzido's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 14:33
Benzido
This genius also predicted that by now there would only be two or three game development studios.
pascuz46's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:20
pascuz46
There will always be single player games. Multiplayer only games are just starting really on consoles, but what I do think will happen is that we will see a bit of a decline in single player games.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 15:40
Excel-2011
How many RPGs are multiplayer by necessity?
Spork's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/20/2009 19:36
Spork
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, i say, BOOOOO
Noah's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/21/2009 01:57
Noah
I'm a firm believer that anything is made better with Co-Op...so long as a Single player option is always an option.
ElRhino's Avatar - Comment posted on 02/22/2009 16:11
ElRhino
I think both SP and MP are vital for gaming, if you can get a game that does both well, its perfect. But single player games will always have a place.
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