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I would try this but probably die in five seconds and my story would be "I got malaria in an African Country, and then a South African shot me while I tried to steal his house from him."
Anthony,
Do you think this relates at all to games like Heavy Rain where death is incorporated into the core of the game as a reasonable and possible story element?
Do you think this relates at all to games like Heavy Rain where death is incorporated into the core of the game as a reasonable and possible story element?
Your rant about this game inspired me to buy it (well it being only 20 on Steam for the full game and the DLC did too) and now I'm thinking of just doing a no death run right off the bat. Is that a terrible idea or do you think it would enhance the experience of the story and all that?
It generally makes for some pretty shitty stories. Where's the Penny Arcade about playing the mighty king who fell in a creek and died?
Demon's Souls give the perfect solution for this style of design. Auto-save over your save file once you choose anything, and you only get to keep one save per character.
I'm not sure if I like this kind of design, but that's how to do it. Mind you, if you have any game breaking bugs, and players have no previous save to reload to, that would really suck.
Demon's Souls give the perfect solution for this style of design. Auto-save over your save file once you choose anything, and you only get to keep one save per character.
I'm not sure if I like this kind of design, but that's how to do it. Mind you, if you have any game breaking bugs, and players have no previous save to reload to, that would really suck.
I fucking hated playing this game though, after I watched your stupid revrant about it. It sucks.
Gameplay = horrible. Thats the first thing that matters. What if passage didn't have a"go right" key? Fucking game would suck, thats what.
This game, sucks ass. The controls are fucking awful and the respawning guard towers and driving times are horrible. Bad game.
Gameplay = horrible. Thats the first thing that matters. What if passage didn't have a"go right" key? Fucking game would suck, thats what.
This game, sucks ass. The controls are fucking awful and the respawning guard towers and driving times are horrible. Bad game.
I've been really wanting to do this since I saw your Rev Rant on it. I rented it back when it first came out and really enjoyed it. The only thing holding me back from putting the money down for it and trying out a permanent death playthrough is the respawn outposts... Jesus Christ, the respawning outposts. It didn't make the game that much harder for me, it just made everything so damn tedious.
Does anyone know if there's a mod for the PC version that makes an outpost stay empty once you've cleared it out? Or stay empty for a few minutes, at the very least?
Does anyone know if there's a mod for the PC version that makes an outpost stay empty once you've cleared it out? Or stay empty for a few minutes, at the very least?
Oncomouse:
I can't really say, not knowing how Heavy Rain's player death situation will work: whether it'll be a punishment for shitty QTE performance or a result of ethical choices you make or something, I dunno. In Far Cry 2, your possible death comes about as a result of either getting sloppy, or because of how you manage your buddies. Without spoiling the whole game/my strategy for a successful run through, I'd argue that the more meticulously evil you are in a permadeath playthrough, the better your chances of survival.
kefkaesque:
I'd do a normal playthrough first so you can understand the mechanics and learn survival techniques (if you're on foot and you see a jeep, FUCKING SIDESTEP IT). Death sometimes, but not always comes suddenly, and you need to learn how to avoid such deaths before attempting an ironman runthrough.
I can't really say, not knowing how Heavy Rain's player death situation will work: whether it'll be a punishment for shitty QTE performance or a result of ethical choices you make or something, I dunno. In Far Cry 2, your possible death comes about as a result of either getting sloppy, or because of how you manage your buddies. Without spoiling the whole game/my strategy for a successful run through, I'd argue that the more meticulously evil you are in a permadeath playthrough, the better your chances of survival.
kefkaesque:
I'd do a normal playthrough first so you can understand the mechanics and learn survival techniques (if you're on foot and you see a jeep, FUCKING SIDESTEP IT). Death sometimes, but not always comes suddenly, and you need to learn how to avoid such deaths before attempting an ironman runthrough.
I didn't realize so many gamers were restarting their previous saves on multi-choice games. I mean, I knew SOME did. But not like a majority of them regularly. I never do that.
If you do, this article is a good point. If you stand by your choices instead of just running through each choice with saves and picking the best, I promise you'll have a much more interesting and rewarding experience in ANY gme with choices.
That light form of cheating is aways there, but it's only cheating yourself.
If you do, this article is a good point. If you stand by your choices instead of just running through each choice with saves and picking the best, I promise you'll have a much more interesting and rewarding experience in ANY gme with choices.
That light form of cheating is aways there, but it's only cheating yourself.
I tried a couple times to get into Far Cry 2. For whatever reason I couldn't get into it and ended up selling it. I just didn't find it to be much fun.
For real...like...permanent death in a game? If I want to die permanently I would just jump off the next freakin bridge
@ MCChampaignMillionaire
I'm pretty sure you don't want to die. That's the entire point. The choices people make in games would be way different if they knew they couldn't load an old file when they die.
I'm pretty sure you don't want to die. That's the entire point. The choices people make in games would be way different if they knew they couldn't load an old file when they die.
I honestly don't see how playing a permanent death run through can make the game more meaningful. Yeah it would be a tremendous accomplishment, but I don't make choices in games and then reload to undo them. If I happen to get someone killed, I end up feeling bad about it all the way till the end.
I tried doing a perma-death run through on Infamous difficulty (After completeing a normal run through on... whatever the 2nd hardest difficulty is).
I spent about 30mins (no joke) crouched behind a small wall, pinned down by a sniper during the first mission. It was certainly the most intense few hours of gaming I have ever played.
Few games of recent times seemt o divide people like Far Cry 2. Some people get so immersed in it and think it is one of the most incredible games of recent times (self included), while others with similar gaming tastes just can't stand it. I guess that is what happens when someone like Clint Hocking, who seems tohate narrative in games, makes narrative driven games.
I downloaded this pdf yesterday and read through it. I recommend sticking with it; the wring gets a lot better after a while, once he starts treating it like a narrative of a character and less like a diary of his playing through a game.
I spent about 30mins (no joke) crouched behind a small wall, pinned down by a sniper during the first mission. It was certainly the most intense few hours of gaming I have ever played.
Few games of recent times seemt o divide people like Far Cry 2. Some people get so immersed in it and think it is one of the most incredible games of recent times (self included), while others with similar gaming tastes just can't stand it. I guess that is what happens when someone like Clint Hocking, who seems tohate narrative in games, makes narrative driven games.
I downloaded this pdf yesterday and read through it. I recommend sticking with it; the wring gets a lot better after a while, once he starts treating it like a narrative of a character and less like a diary of his playing through a game.
Didn't Kojima say that he'd like the Metal Gear Solid disc to destroy itself when the player dies? That would be painful.
I rented Far Cry 2 after that one RevRant, and I enjoyed it, despite some frustration. I nearly bought it, but ended up just sending it back. I might pick it back up and give it another whirl, once I play out some of these new games.
Its definitely a game about systems, and I really dig that.
Its definitely a game about systems, and I really dig that.
Steel Battalion experimented with permanent death, if you didn't eject in time your save was deleted, and if you ejected too many times you were retired to the back lines and your save was deleted.
@ Brendan Keogh;
I believe that is 'Hardcore' difficulty you are talking about (which I am playing on currently).
@ Reindall;
He'd make a lot of money with those trap-doors opening in the floor, I tell you.
Yeah, I am playing through the game, but I'd only try a 'perma-death' play-through once I got through my backlog of other games.
I believe that is 'Hardcore' difficulty you are talking about (which I am playing on currently).
@ Reindall;
He'd make a lot of money with those trap-doors opening in the floor, I tell you.
Yeah, I am playing through the game, but I'd only try a 'perma-death' play-through once I got through my backlog of other games.
I did this in Oblivion (fairly modded). First time I got bitten by one of the rats at the start and caught a nasty illness (apparently it's like... 1 in 100 chance for that particular one. Nasty), and spent the next hour getting gradually weaker until I collapsed mere meters from the exit. It was awesome.
Second time I got quite far and was eventually killed at kvatch, but it was less meaningful to me.
Second time I got quite far and was eventually killed at kvatch, but it was less meaningful to me.
I've never even considered this! It's interesting enough to get me to go through FC2 for a third time. Quick question: What difficulty and platform did you play this on? Considering the shitty console controls and general difficulty on the higher levels I could see this being quite difficult.
Unrelated: I really wish I had a PC that could run FC2...
Unrelated: I really wish I had a PC that could run FC2...
Haizeus:
The accepted permadeath constraints, generally speaking, are:
-Normal difficulty
-PC version, with draw distance set to maximum
-Fortune DLC pack included, but only for the purpose of using the new vehicles (the weapons are free and thus kind of fuck up the early part of the game where you're only meant to have a single pistol to your name)
The accepted permadeath constraints, generally speaking, are:
-Normal difficulty
-PC version, with draw distance set to maximum
-Fortune DLC pack included, but only for the purpose of using the new vehicles (the weapons are free and thus kind of fuck up the early part of the game where you're only meant to have a single pistol to your name)
I just started playing this game last week and have to say I'm quite surprised at just how good it is. I had heard so many bad things and had just hesitated. Sure, it's got it's issues, but none of them are game breakers.
All it needs IMO is a leveling or skill system like Fallout 3.
All it needs IMO is a leveling or skill system like Fallout 3.
Received this game last August but it provided nothing new and was replaced within the week. After this semester, I may give this method a shot. It sounds unique as an approach to any game, and if theres one thing I love, it's originality.
I found it to be one of the most immerse action games I've ever played. Never understood anyone's troubles or dislikes at all. Great game, off to read.
Started my run a little while ago. Sure as hell makes it a lot more tense, especially early on where you're limited in weapons and monies.
I never got far in FC2... I got to the point where I finished all the missions for... uh, the guys with a yellow emblem, sorry, it was a while ago, but anyway, then I had to start doing missions for the other faction.
I don't know what happened then but I stopped playing... maybe something new came out? I don't remember... time to try this once I finish inFamous
(shush, I bought it yesterday)
I don't know what happened then but I stopped playing... maybe something new came out? I don't remember... time to try this once I finish inFamous
(shush, I bought it yesterday)
Thanks for the info, Anthony. Finished reading about a half hour ago. I'm happy to learn that I'm not the only one who did totally asinine things in game for the purpose of role play. FC2 just sucked me in that way.
@mrandydixon
I don't think that's necessary. I believe you can save your game (to go and do other shit/sleep whatever); you just can't die. If you do, you delete your file.
I don't think that's necessary. I believe you can save your game (to go and do other shit/sleep whatever); you just can't die. If you do, you delete your file.
This game was actually recommended to me by Jason Rorher (I have his copy:)) and I can't wait to try this. Though I loved the game I couldn't quite grasp its major flaw, I think you just pointed me in the right direction. Thanks.
@ Reindall: Kojima definitely said something kind of like this, and I remember reading somewhere that he originally wanted to make MGS3 a "permadeath" game, but of course no publisher in their right mind is going to allow something like that.
I actually played through all of MGS3 with permadeath rules, and I have to say it improves the game immensely. It makes your decisions much more interesting. Normally when I play MGS, if I use too many bullets or trip an alarm, I'll just let the guards kill me and restart at a checkpoint rather than bother with hiding/evading them. When you're not allowed to do that, though, the game really opens up as you're forced to use every trick at your disposal (and MGS gives you a lot of them) to either avoid getting an alert, or to dispatch/evade the guards until an alert is cancelled.
And the battle with The End is even more epic, of course.
I actually played through all of MGS3 with permadeath rules, and I have to say it improves the game immensely. It makes your decisions much more interesting. Normally when I play MGS, if I use too many bullets or trip an alarm, I'll just let the guards kill me and restart at a checkpoint rather than bother with hiding/evading them. When you're not allowed to do that, though, the game really opens up as you're forced to use every trick at your disposal (and MGS gives you a lot of them) to either avoid getting an alert, or to dispatch/evade the guards until an alert is cancelled.
And the battle with The End is even more epic, of course.
Ffft, tried this, got a little further than my first playthrough, my vision got fucked from Malaria randomly showing up and I got run over by a truck because I couldn't see anything.
I. Was. Mortified.
I. Was. Mortified.
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