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Pediatricians say videogames as bad as smoking photo

Sensationalist headline is GO! While the headline up there is true I have actually twisted the words around a bit to make it seem even more shocking and appalling so as to grab your attention. However, this is simply an ABC News story about a Pediatric group warning us that overexposure to popular media is not good for children. The story is on two recent articles by the American Academy of Pediatrics' Council on Communications and the Media in the November issue of Pediatrics.

The AAP claims that "The evidence is now clear and convincing: media violence is one of the causal factors of real-life violence and aggression," and actually comes down harshest on the music industry for their glorification of sex, drugs and rock n' roll. However, according to the article they do state that media can cause violence and that "the associations between violence on screen or in games and really (sic) life aggression are nearly as strong as the association between cigarette smoking and lung cancer."

Don't get yourself all up in a hoopla though, they're not recommending the end of violent videogames or a world wide ban on violent media. They just want people to pay attention to what their children are doing. Hear that? Paying attention to your children is doctor recommended. The group also wants childcare physicians to ask about a child's media consumption whenever they get a check-up and to talk to parents if they feel their child is spending too much time with a certain type of media. They do call upon the entertainment industry to make media more child friendly and offer some suggestions that you can read after the jump.

  • Do not glamorize weapon carrying.
  • Eliminate the use of violence in a comic or sexual context.
  • Eliminate gratuitous portrayals of interpersonal violence.
  • The pain and loss suffered by victims should be shown if violence must be used.
  • Music lyrics should be made easily available to parents so they can read them before purchasing music.
  • Video games should not use humans or other living targets and points should not be awarded for killing.
  • Violent video games should be limited to age-restricted areas of arcades.
Clearly some solid recommendations for game's for kids. Don't worry, it doesn't appear that they are demanding these rules be applied to all games. Though from a creative stand point a videogame where you actually felt the loss and suffering of all the people you mowed down would be truly something special.







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Death by Yeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:03
Death by Yeti
Video games are terrible
yggogre's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:16
yggogre
Ban This Sick Filth.
Eaten by a Grue's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:19
Eaten by a Grue
True. We haven't had a "Ban this Sick Filth" in a while. Bring it back!
GameBrahma's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:21
GameBrahma
Video Games aren't as bad as drinking... and why is a pediatrician talking about smoking... how many little kids are smoking?
Sunshine WaterRider's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:22
Sunshine WaterRider
Hi. You rock. Using an extremely attention-grabbing headline to give an important message rather than a whiny one.

Watch your kids and society will be 9001 times better. Seriously. That's all you have to do.
thenooby1's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:22
thenooby1
BAN THIS SICK FILTH!


Keep it going.
Kaspar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:23
Kaspar
All this talk about guns and violence etc in the US is pointless til they change the second amendment.

Don't see that happening anytime soon...
InfraredChimera's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:23
InfraredChimera
Because if I don't play a videogame while drinking a cup of coffee or get done eating dinner I go fucking berserk. Sorry to say but being a former smoker I still crave every freakin day (its got easier to deal with) but to equate smoking is as addicting as videogames is just stupid.
Freefall's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:25
Freefall
Ahahahahaha
Kraid's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:31
Kraid
I blame Grim Fandango. People are dead and they smoke and they are in a videogame.
Super Drybones's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:41
Super Drybones
But I can't possibly watch over my kids, I'm just a parent.
Unit 076's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:46
Unit 076
"Video games should not use humans or other living targets and points should not be awarded for killing."
Then, what the use of the achievements system?!
Wheatspin's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:47
Wheatspin
lolwut
Jared Ari's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:51
Jared Ari
I hate that everyone is still under the delusion that video games are only for kids! Children are usually exposed to movies and television long before they develop the ability to proficiently handle themselves with a controller. Games are just as much an adult pastime as anything else, and the ESRB exists for this very purpose. Come on, you prude bastards. Grow up and accept that most video games aren't going to feature flower picking and bird watching as the primary goal. Not every child is a psychopathic killer who is going to be pushed over the edge by playing Grand Theft Auto, sex is a normal part of storytelling, and the points-for-killing system is SO ten years ago.
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:55
dj-anon
How can pediatricians declare they have clear evidence about the subject, when it concerns only to psychology?
Jay Hitcher's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:56
Jay Hitcher
Comparing violent media to smoking is a bit extreme, but I do support them trying to get the parents more involved in the children's lives.
Death by Yeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:57
Death by Yeti
Video games are childrens toys
zombielifecoach's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:58
zombielifecoach
Can't argue. I'm up to three games a day. I've tried to quit but the cravings are just too much.
Wintersocks's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 14:58
Wintersocks
I've been facepalming so much recently people think that... um... (insert something related to slapping, I cant be bothered)
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:00
Orionsaint
They fault Media Violence and Sex? That's a new one. I've never heard that one before.
David Bergendorff Hstbo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:09
David Bergendorff Hstbo
Retardism is as bad as smoking
Dangsterr's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:09
Dangsterr
Violent video games should be limited to age-restricted areas of arcades.


That's why there's a rating system, it's not our fault that parents don't give a shit about them.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:09
Occams electric toothbrush
I love it when pediatricians talk dirty to me.
Emrah's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:15
Emrah
They say the certainty of link between the two (violent media and real life violence) is as clear as smoking and lung cancer. They don't say it is as addicting as smoking (InfraredChimera) or talk about kids smoking (GameBrahma) But since the headline is pure sensationalism, and people on this barely read a full post, I understand there'll be misunderstandings.
Matthew Razak's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:22
Matthew Razak
@Emirah

Yea, I'm liking the people who clearly read only the headline and comment. Headlines like that are perfect for spotting them.
RBinator's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:22
RBinator
At least video games are not being singled out this time, but instead, media as a whole is targeted. Too bad many parents don't think it's worth paying that much attention to their children and prefer to blame everyone else if something happens that they don't like. What's up with their suggestions anyway? Looking at it kinda of reminds me of the Comics Code. I find this "protect the children!" thing overblown and sickening at times. Nowadays, at least with games, parents have more options than ever, since all modern consoles can restrict games by rating. Heck, some of those suggestions could even lead to various E rated games not working out very well. What would the pain and suffering of Peach look like by Bowser? The 2D Mario games give you at least 100 points for killing, I mean "defeating" a Goomba.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:28
DinnertimeNinja
"The evidence is now clear and convincing"

Bullshit.

I've done papers on the subject and there's really not a single study out there that conclusively says much of anything for or against the argument.

Also, throwing the words "causal factors" around in this debate is something that even the anti-games studies don't do.

There simply isn't any evidence to support that playing violent games actually causes ANY violent behavior and these games are just as likely to mitigate violent thoughts and actions as well.
SilversunFrenzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:30
SilversunFrenzy
watch your kids

revelatory stuff
AlLeBlanc's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:31
AlLeBlanc
If you play videogames, you'll die!
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:37
catsithx
*Dies whiles playing Metroid Prime trilogy * X_x..... Spirit: Damn I just started playing that game.
MesonW's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:42
MesonW
Hey, I figured that too: that you should be made to feel the pain and loss of those perished. Burnout with hospital and funeral fees!!!
Jayge's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:44
Jayge
When you think about it, the relatively media-less (discounting minstrels and whatnot) societies of ye olde times were so much more violent than our current societies are (in general; wassup, Africa?) in any way shape or form.
Ibutsu's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:45
Ibutsu
Ban these slanderous articles.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:50
wanderingpixel
I am an adult, therefore I want adult entertainment. If your child plays GTA or watches Hostel it's your own goddamn fault for not taking better care of them. Don't make me suffer because you are a bad parent.
able to think's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 15:59
able to think
Pediatricians also touch children's naughty places.
Chiurka's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:01
Chiurka
read the title and went to have a smoke :D
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:08
whormongr
FTA:
"For example, the kind of electronic music played at raves has been associated with use of drugs and alcohol, while heavy metal and rap have been associated with reckless behavior and below-average academic performance, the authors said."

BS- I am an electronic musician (mostly dnb/jungle/glitch/breakcore/chiptune)and I don't use drugs and drink in moderation as well as most people that I know that go to my shows, the music has no lyrics and promotes noting but listening to the music- the media glamorizes and promotes an image of the type of music and what behavior it promotes.

also I hang out with a lot of metalheads and most of them are intellectuals, programmers, software developers, etc. and not dropouts and reckless people.

the impression that I get from the article is be scared first and make decisions later
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:16
runtheplacered
@ whormongr,

I think you're missing the point a little bit, and are using little too much anecdotal evidence. I'm 28 and have been listening to electronic music since I was about 14. As a teenager I went to a ridiculous amount of "raves" and to say drugs weren't running rampant there is a complete lie. But the real problem is you're comparing the musician to the actual music-goers. They are not one and the same.

Hell as I got older, started making music myself, and actually started mingling with other musicians I realized they're quite brilliant and not on drugs at all. But that has nothing to do with the actual music-goer's themselves. Don't confuse the two.

If there isn't drug use running rampant at raves then why do so many people specifically go to raves to score drugs, even without actually being a fan of the music?

But, you're right to some degree as well, because it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in a way. The media (or word of mouth for that matter) tells us that there's drugs to be found at raves, people go to raves to get/use drugs, which means the dealers themselves are going to raves to sell the drugs. If there was a way to focus on the music itself, we'd all be a lot better off. But that doesn't make the 6 o'clock news. Drug abuse does.
NuDimon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:16
NuDimon
Ban bad parenting? ;D
/FIXED
Devin Patrick Gaughan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:18
Devin Patrick Gaughan
I don't think the people doing these studies realize nearly every single game ever made has some sort of violence in it. Even the original Mario game for NES was a plumber stomping on and crushing mushroom creatures and kicking turtles across the screen. Hi2u violence.

I'm pretty sure if violence was eliminated from games, people would get bored of playing the same puzzle games over and over to the point where the entire video game industry collapses.

I do agree that parents and retailers both need to be more responsible when it comes to selling and exposing younger people to mature rated games. But parents are lazy so of course they're going to go after the publishers for even selling products other adults enjoy, just because some of the adults fail at parenting and let their kids watch them or even play games like GTA or other shooters.
Tarvu's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:26
Tarvu
So... we should all stop video gaming and smoke instead?
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:34
whormongr
@runtheplacered I am not saying that no one does drugs @ parties, but the truth is that 90's house raves and the stuff that goes on now is waaay different from each other- at most parties nowadays the crowd is no more on drugs than any other show- in fact I would wager to say that you would find more people smoking weed and doing lines in the bathrooms at an alternative rock show nowadays than you do at most parties especially since you don't really have the same sort of underground system that there was back then and most are above the board.
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:35
xaliqen
I'm not buying it. If the "link" between video games and violence is so clear, why did kids in the 19th century behave violently? Take Teddy Roosevelt's children for that matter, they would play "war" with William Howard Taft's children without the goading presence of *gasp* video games.

This is just another bandwagoning article coming out of the AAP. In reality, people would prefer to blame violence on media rather than look at the pre-existing dark corners of the human soul.
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:42
BluDesign
I know I would come home late at night from playing Rock Band with friends reeking of video games. My eyes would be square, my arms covered in note chart patterns.

Thankfully I got hooked up with some methadone twice a week at a local clinic and now I barely only ever play games. I managed to only play McKids the other day for 10 minutes.
DaShiz 21's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:46
DaShiz 21
"...while heavy metal and rap have been associated with reckless behavior and below-average academic performance, the authors said.

Heavy metal and some types of rock music have also been associated with an increased risk of suicide, depression, delinquency risk behavior, smoking, and conduct problems."

I listen to Metal and Melo Death Metal as my primary genres of music, yet I do not smoke, drink, do any types of drugs or any other form of behavior listed above. Add that to the fact that I have had very good grades throughout school and am in all advanced classes I do not believe the music is what causes these people to act the way they do. Their peers and situations in life cause a person to grow up to be who they are, music is a form of art and expression just as much as painting and architecture. People who have social or reckless behavior patterns may flock to a certain form of music but the music is not what causes it.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 16:52
Nicojay2
I don't like this new fangled SCIENCE, I demand ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.

Also sensationalism...



..and Captain Obvious.
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 17:16
xaliqen
@mkshiranui -- And science doesn't prove science either. Just because research is supposedly well-conducted does not make the research true. Correlation is not causation, though many scientists would have you believe that it is. So many scientific results are based on correlation and we're used to taking it is a given that such things must have an element of truth to it. Nevertheless, there are plenty of factors that can create problems in studies like this. The biggest problem is, of course, that you can never conduct long-term studies like this in a completely controlled environment. Therefore, there could easily be other factors at play. For instance, the children who play video games more often could have a higher propensity to violence if the parent's of said children are not around very often. In such a scenario, playing video games more often is merely the side-effect of a larger issue. Now, if the researchers are trying to control for situations such as the above, how many parents do you think are going to be completely honest and say "I'm not a very good parent and I don't pay that much attention to my children?" That's right, virtually no one is going to come out and admit that. So, in the end, video games and other media become the target when, in reality, bad parenting could just as easily be at fault.

Remember, just because it's published in a scientific journal does not make it true by any means.
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 17:19
xaliqen
Now the actual advice that the physicians are suggesting is reasonable (i.e. pay more attention to your children), but I think some of the conclusions may be off-base. Violence is a part of human nature. If you want to blame it on some external factor, you're really only fooling yourself.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 17:32
atastysammich
I dunno, I already feel kinda guilty whenever my hostages in Saint's Row 2 start crying. Save me, The Mix 107.77!
xaliqen's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/25/2009 18:13
xaliqen
@mkshiranui -- When I say violence is a part of human nature, I don't mean that violence itself is always present. Rather, that the *capability* for violence is always present. We could point towards the glorification of violence in culture or even cultural naivete regarding violence as precipitating a buildup in the potential for widespread violence. None of this changes that the potential for violent behavior is there, latent though it may be.

So, if we were to study a culture of violence, then I would tacitly agree there are social forces encouraging the justification of violent behavior. My point, however, is that violence comes from within, from the latent tendency turning into an active tendency, rather than some kind of external seed of violence being planted in an individual.

Along these lines, video games do not provide a justification for violence (perhaps there are a very few that do, but I will get to that in a moment). Memorial Day provides a justification for violence. Veteran's Day provides a justification for violence. Many of the History channel's television programs directly or indirectly provide a justification for violence. My point is that the most concerning thing is not the portrayal of violence itself, but the justification for violence that makes violence seem reasonable and the natural way to solve a particular problem.

So, in a video game such as Medal of Honor Pacific Assault, where we're out to stop the enemy for the purposes of patriotism and what have you, this is a game that encourages and justifies violent solutions to problems. It glorifies every day people turned into soldiers practicing violent behavior to solve problems.

Yet, games such as Pacific Assault are not the ones that are criticized. They are rated "T" for teen and often lauded for their patriotic spirit. My argument is that so-called "patriotic spirit" is far more troublesome in awakening the latent violent tendencies than the depiction of violence itself.
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