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Peach's dress the reason for her not being playable in new Mario Wii photo

In the upcoming New Super Mario Bros. Wii, up to four players can play controlling one of four characters -- Mario, Luigi, and two different colored Toads. 

Why two toads instead of what might seem like the obvious choice, Princess Peach? Creator Shigeru Miyamoto answered this question (asked by Wired Game|Life's Tracey John), and the answer was... surprising. Turns out, you can blame her signature pink dress.

"Originally, I thought it would be nice if we could have Princess Peach in there as a playable character," he said through a translator, "but in fact, the Toad characters have a physical that's a little bit closer to Mario and Luigi. In particular, if we had one character ou of the four that wore a dress, we would have to have special processing and programming to handle how the skirt is handled within the gameplay."

Miyamoto-san, 1988 called and wants to know if you'd like to borrow its copy of Super Mario Bros. 2 for the NES. I kid, of course. But I do wish I could get some more Peach action in our Mario games. There's always New Super Mario Bros. Wii 2.


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kariomart's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:24
kariomart
Fat Princess???
Dangsterr's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:25
Dangsterr
Storm Dain is not going to be happy
Your Moms Hot Lover's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:28
Your Moms Hot Lover
wow. That is epically lame. He wants to come up with a better excuse. He could use the hadron collider one. Letting eveyone plays as peach would destroy the universe's past and future so by the fact of our existence we must exist in a universe where there is no Peach action on the Wii.
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:30
jawshoeuh
That is the silliest thing I've ever heard.
dj-anon's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:30
dj-anon
That excuse doesn't convince me at all, but he must know better than I do.
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:30
Crunshii
FAT PRINCESS IN RL!!!
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:31
EternalDeathSlayer
Are they fucking kidding? All the fucking money they're making and they decide to skimp out on us because it would have needed extra programming? Look at that game, it could be on the fucking DS!

Oh well. I'll still get the game, but that's a lame ass excuse.
PhazonYoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:31
PhazonYoshi
I'm sorry, any developer capable of making NSMBWii is more than capable of making proper dress physics. Or, hey, just use a static dress which would require no additional programming!
Carl Sagan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:35
Carl Sagan
Lazy developer. There's really no excuse for something like that.
Agent's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:36
Agent
Considering that the game itself is a DS port, I find it hard to believe that the Wii cant handle a little extra data such as a flowing dress skirt.
ThorsteintheStaffstruck's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:36
ThorsteintheStaffstruck
Lovez teh BBWz! I wantz her numberz!
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:37
pedrovay2003
That's... The lamest fucking excuse I've ever heard in my life, actually.

He says they're pushing the Wii with this game, but they can't make Peaches dress a little wavy? Seriously? How'd they do it in Smash Bros., then?
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:38
pedrovay2003
*Peach's
mrsatan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:47
mrsatan
Because wearing a skirt means you can float across the world.
titopaul's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:48
titopaul
lost in translation
also, port of the ds game statements are lazy posts
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:49
AgentMOO
special processing and programming?
Scoping out the playable characters and what it will take to implement them should be a very early decision made in the project. That's a pretty cheap move to keep your margins high ;)
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:49
The-Excel
She's broken.
JT IceFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:50
JT IceFire
I always thought the reason was that Peach's pink wouldn't match the R-B-G-Y color scheme the game is slathered with. If anything, that would have been as good an excuse as skirt physics.
Zero_armada's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 15:52
Zero_armada
Bullshit reason, and he knows it. I'm hoping it's a trick and instead she's unlockable.
PJMan's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:01
PJMan
Screw the two toads, why didn't they add Wario and Waluigi... or maybe just Wario.
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:01
CBunn
Let me fix that

Miyamoto:
"we didn't add the princess because it was so much easier to do a palette swap in one of the toads!"

Ok, now I believe you!
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:03
GohanGVO
They could not include Peach because all of the required amounts of red needed to create a pink dress were slathered across the boxart.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:06
CocoJambo
Only after 15 comments somebody connected the dots. Peach's main difference is here ability to float around, I can see how that could break the game not only in single player, but especially in multiplayer co-op.
Mattchewie's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:07
Mattchewie
Wow...what a silly reason. "well we would have to do work, so we said F-it"
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:10
GohanGVO
After reading the original quote, I think he may be jerking us around:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/10/shigeru-miyamoto/

Wired.com: Why isn’t Princess Peach a playable character in New Super Mario Bros. Wii?

Miyamoto: Well, originally I thought it would be nice to have Princess Peach in there as a playable character, but in fact, the Toad characters have a physique that’s a little bit closer to Mario and Luigi. And in particular if we had one character out of the four that wore a dress, we would have to have a special programming to handle how the skirt is handled in the gameplay (laughs).

And that’s the only reason that Princess Peach is not there. Of course, if we had Wario in there, we’d have to program him to fart.
Yoibomb's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:11
Yoibomb
Good grief, some of you are really angry about this.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:12
GoldenGamerXero
After reading Gohan's comment I think it was probably just a joke that got taken out of context.
Neo Rena's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:15
Neo Rena
Wow, so they didn't add Peach because they were lazy?
Ugh.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:16
manasteel88
its a shame to hear that the development team just couldn't get off their ass and get around to it. I'm not asking for peach. Daisy would have worked fine for Yellow toad.

pretty lame that the greatest developer of all time couldn't put a character in because he would have to develop coding for the dress. also, peach has been known to wear shorts (Mario Superstars Baseball/Tennis) why wouldn't a globe trekking peach wear shorts or pants on an expedition.

I'll probably pass on this game until a cheap price drop. If they can't be bothered with doing a bit of extra work to add some character to the game then I can't be bothered paying $50 for it when A Boy and His Blob is $40 and that just screams character.
Nicojay2's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:21
Nicojay2
TOAD GETS ALL THE B*TCHES!

What do two toads get?

Bad Miyamoto.
Agent's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:22
Agent
@titopaul

Go f*ck yourself.
Rabspat's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:30
Rabspat
It's because she can float, that's why she wasn't added. Also, she was probably kidnapped or some shit.
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:30
GohanGVO
I think, perhaps, they wanted to set proper expectations as to how each character plays. More than likely, everyone controls exactly the same. Adding in a slender female with a history of floating around everywhere would lead to level design changes and the perception that she should have different attributes from the others (btw, Toad's SMB2 speed is less obvious than floating).

And let's be honest: you are going to have to rescue the cockteasing bitch just like in the DS/NES/SNES/N64/Wii versions (Rosalina counts!). So, playing as her would lead to a black hole on par with dividing by zero (or they want to keep humor like that for Paper Mario 3.)
Im OK's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:32
Im OK
Princess Peach as DLC for New Super Mario Brothers Wii CONFIRMED.

Seriously though, if that's actually the real reason and not just Miyamoto clowning around, that's a pretty lame reason.

Who cares if she would be able to float? She could float in SMB2 and that didn't "break the game" or whatever.
Zarathustra's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:48
Zarathustra
Waaah waaahh! Who cares? The game will still be awesome.
Jennifer Campbell's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:50
Jennifer Campbell
Silly reason...she could have worn pants.
OmegaWarrior's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:50
OmegaWarrior
Super Princess Peach, anyone?
Happy Chainsaw Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 16:54
Happy Chainsaw Man
I thought it was because you are trying to save Peach...
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 17:09
koehler83
What about Wario or a new character? 2 Toads is a total cop out, regardless of the reason why.
mrplow8's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 17:35
mrplow8
He should have just put Mario, Luigi, and Toad in dresses.
DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 18:11
DustyBlue
@ koehler83

Totally agreed, but I think the whole game is a cop-out anyway.
lewness's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 18:16
lewness
She could always wears pants. Of course, by that time they'll think they have to do something about the crown, too.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 18:44
-PL-
If you're rescuing peach, they could have put in daisy or something. Two toads is just lazy.
HijaLoveHijo's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 18:46
HijaLoveHijo
@ koehler83
Wario would have been cool, but I don't think he would fit in with the story like the other four. And yes, 2 generic toads is a stupid cop out. For all the original levels this new game will have, it will have 2 GENERIC toads as the stars, and Mario and Luigi.
Artemus's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 19:22
Artemus
Mr. Miyamoto, I call horse shit.
Well, if you had to throw us two Toads could they have, at the very lest, made them be Toad and Toadette. Damn.

ninjikiran's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 21:32
ninjikiran
They could always make peaches dress magically resistant to upskirts, or you can adorably make her hold her skirt down during jumps.
peachboy's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 22:29
peachboy
in other words: nintendo are greedy, lazy cunts.
peristalsis515's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/16/2009 23:12
peristalsis515
So, if Peach gets kidnapped and the guys have to rescue her from Bowser, how the hell was she supposed to be a playable character??? I think that's the reasonable explanation everybody's looking for :P
Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2009 00:28
Jetsetlemming
Don't really care about Peach, but two toads is weird. I'd feel like I was left out if I had to play one of the two identical characters while two of my friends I'm playing with get the iconic Mario and Luigi. They should've put a step forward for gay rights and made the fourth char Birdo.
Sidar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/17/2009 17:12
Sidar
As much as his reason sounds stupid, lots of you are stupid too.
It would only mean more development time and debugging > time = money.
Yes they make sh/tloads of money, but each project has its own budget and you cant fill it up just because they have money.
And since its for one character it seems logical they left it out to keep their development ongoing and finished on time.

Most of you don't even know what programming is about or how energy consuming it can be.

Although Toadette would have been awesome though D=
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