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Alright everyone, want to see what the data looks like if you disaggregate PC gaming revenue by source?
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - Boom. Done.
In the U.S., boxed PC sales are about 1.8 billion dollars. Downloadable is 2.5 billion dollars. MMO games are 2.6 billion dollars. Casual websites are 2.8 billion dollars. Social networks (like Facebook/G+) are around 1.8 billion dollars a year.
If you -just- included downloadable and retail (which seems like the most reasonable route), you get 4.3 billion dollars a year. ALL consoles (that includes 360, Wii, PS3, PSP, DS, 3DS, and older consoles!) are 8.0 billion dollars a year.
So yeah, PC isn't bigger than all of console gaming. However, it is easily bigger than any single console, and bigger, by itself, than over half of the console gaming market. This doesn't even include MMOs (which could arguably be included), casual websites, or social network gaming.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - Boom. Done.
In the U.S., boxed PC sales are about 1.8 billion dollars. Downloadable is 2.5 billion dollars. MMO games are 2.6 billion dollars. Casual websites are 2.8 billion dollars. Social networks (like Facebook/G+) are around 1.8 billion dollars a year.
If you -just- included downloadable and retail (which seems like the most reasonable route), you get 4.3 billion dollars a year. ALL consoles (that includes 360, Wii, PS3, PSP, DS, 3DS, and older consoles!) are 8.0 billion dollars a year.
So yeah, PC isn't bigger than all of console gaming. However, it is easily bigger than any single console, and bigger, by itself, than over half of the console gaming market. This doesn't even include MMOs (which could arguably be included), casual websites, or social network gaming.
@DNA619
Lol, oh yeah you trollin' bro
Stay classy on your $5k PC ^^
Do have to say I appreciated the laugh.
Lol, oh yeah you trollin' bro
Stay classy on your $5k PC ^^
Do have to say I appreciated the laugh.
As a sidenote, I love how people point out that you can't sell used PC games as a negative. I'd say my average price paid for a PC game is like 20 dollars. I do buy the occasional new 50/60 dollar game, but the vast, vast majority are like 5 dollars.
Many of them are fairly new too. I mean, basically, wait 6 months for a game, and Steam will give you a ridiculous price. This is double true if it is anywhere near the holidays.. as that's when Steam gets utterly absurd.
Many of them are fairly new too. I mean, basically, wait 6 months for a game, and Steam will give you a ridiculous price. This is double true if it is anywhere near the holidays.. as that's when Steam gets utterly absurd.
lol consoles and lack of reliability, My laptop that I bought for gaming went back to the factory 5 times before Asus, the "no.1 rated laptop brand for reliability by PC Gamer" replaced it. Also, in two years it won't be able to play any of the big games now will it? I can see that PC gaming is making big money, but somehow I don't see Facebook gaming (which is probably a big reason why PC gaming is going up) as the PC gaming market. I love gaming on my Laptop for sure, but I don't see it getting bigger than the Console market, especially when the new consoles come in.
Just came back too.. When all the games are available on PC and in better quality it just makes more sense.
I would bet a good portion of those numbers come from MMO like World of Warcraft. But honestly until recently it wouldn't have been possible to have an MMO on a console whereas now i can see it becoming more common place. PC gaming does have many benefits but its hard to compete against the sheer ease of consoles (or mobile devices). I can't see PC gaming winning out for the masses in the long run, but i also do see it becoming extinct any time soon. As for me consoles all the way i typically only play on PC's when it's my only option to play a certain game (i'm lookin at your Diablo III which could easily be done on a console they do have keyboard/mouse support)
I would bet a good portion of those numbers come from MMO like World of Warcraft. But honestly until recently it wouldn't have been possible to have an MMO on a console whereas now i can see it becoming more common place. PC gaming does have many benefits but its hard to compete against the sheer ease of consoles (or mobile devices). I can't see PC gaming winning out for the masses in the long run, but i also do see it becoming extinct any time soon. As for me consoles all the way i typically only play on PC's when it's my only option to play a certain game (i'm lookin at your Diablo III which could easily be done on a console they do have keyboard/mouse support)
@killias2 LOL I mention the used game market because quite frankly there is a fair amount of console game sales that is part of the used market. While Steam offers some sales for games on the PC the game has to be available through Steam to see them there. In a strapped for cash economy used games can be a boon for gamers on a budget.
For me as far as my games go I'd say I buy about 1/2 new and 1/2 used. For my used games I usually wait for them to hit $20-$40 dollars before I buy them which takes about 6 months post release. My stack of games to play is pretty high so waiting that long for some of them isn't that big a deal, and if it is something I want now I buy it new anyway.
If you consider the current downturn in the economy, console gaming wins hands down for being cheaper as there is less to invest in the hardware, used games are priced cheaper than intial retail points across the board, and you can trade those games in for credit on newer games to help pay for new titles if your of the type to do such.
For me as far as my games go I'd say I buy about 1/2 new and 1/2 used. For my used games I usually wait for them to hit $20-$40 dollars before I buy them which takes about 6 months post release. My stack of games to play is pretty high so waiting that long for some of them isn't that big a deal, and if it is something I want now I buy it new anyway.
If you consider the current downturn in the economy, console gaming wins hands down for being cheaper as there is less to invest in the hardware, used games are priced cheaper than intial retail points across the board, and you can trade those games in for credit on newer games to help pay for new titles if your of the type to do such.
lololol best software sales even considered not to be on Wii lolololol
Don't have enough time to post to somewhere more reliable than vgchartz, but eh, it's a thing: http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
Don't have enough time to post to somewhere more reliable than vgchartz, but eh, it's a thing: http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php
@ indigit4l
You show me where I can play Hyperdimension Neptunia on the PC and I'll believe that "all the games are available on the PC" :p
Chuckle. Maybe all the ones you care about. :D
You show me where I can play Hyperdimension Neptunia on the PC and I'll believe that "all the games are available on the PC" :p
Chuckle. Maybe all the ones you care about. :D
"used games are priced cheaper than intial retail points across the board"
Umm.. no.
Like I said, I regularly buy newish, well received games for 5 dollars on the PC. Half decent used console games usually don't run cheaper than 10-15 dollars, and even that is fairly rare.
" I mention the used game market because quite frankly there is a fair amount of console game sales that is part of the used market. "
The original survey I cited (I don't know about the one discussed above) was actually meant to help video game publishers and developers make decisions. As the used game market does not actually go to developers, I'm guessing they don't include it. If used games subsidise new games, as many argue, that should still show up in the new retail sales.
Umm.. no.
Like I said, I regularly buy newish, well received games for 5 dollars on the PC. Half decent used console games usually don't run cheaper than 10-15 dollars, and even that is fairly rare.
" I mention the used game market because quite frankly there is a fair amount of console game sales that is part of the used market. "
The original survey I cited (I don't know about the one discussed above) was actually meant to help video game publishers and developers make decisions. As the used game market does not actually go to developers, I'm guessing they don't include it. If used games subsidise new games, as many argue, that should still show up in the new retail sales.
Why is everyone getting their panties in a twist? Dale posted something that might initiate discussion not another fanboy war! It's fair to say that the numbers in all of this are skewed by many of the things that everyone has stated! but no one has to be so defensive of their chosen platform. fuck! lol.
Just built a rig myself, it's a funny phenomenon, becoming more of a gamer led me to realize that I was missing plenty of good stuff on the PC, that and my old rig was f'ing old...I'm loving how PC games tend to be more customizable and intricate.
Stinky@ Your "by far the exception" doesn't mean very much nor does it counteract what I said at all. Pc first, innovation.
Imo the best thing about consoles is Japanese games as they have always been console centred (although Japanese games are finally starting to appear on steam)
For western games Ill play them on PC, even if the PC ports released slightly later than console by publishers like Ubisoft
For western games Ill play them on PC, even if the PC ports released slightly later than console by publishers like Ubisoft
@DNA619
You're correct that consoles have a lot of exclusives that the PC does not get to experience (hence why I have both a gaming PC and a PS3), but that's not necessarily an argument in favor of console gaming in and of itself. Thanks to a huge amount of backwards compatibility, PC gaming has a larger and more varied game library than any console that has ever existed. Topping that off, spending $800 on a modern PC will net you a system that blows the PS3 and the Xbox 360 out of the water, as well as giving you the ability to use resource intensive programs such as Photoshop, 3dsmax, Sony Vegas, etc.
I can guarantee you that just about every gaming platform that has ever existed (or will exist) has its own unique advantages and disadvantages and the PC is no exception.
I'm operating on the assumption that you are indeed not trolling but when you spew falsehoods like "$5000 gaming pc," it becomes impossible to take your argument seriously.
You're correct that consoles have a lot of exclusives that the PC does not get to experience (hence why I have both a gaming PC and a PS3), but that's not necessarily an argument in favor of console gaming in and of itself. Thanks to a huge amount of backwards compatibility, PC gaming has a larger and more varied game library than any console that has ever existed. Topping that off, spending $800 on a modern PC will net you a system that blows the PS3 and the Xbox 360 out of the water, as well as giving you the ability to use resource intensive programs such as Photoshop, 3dsmax, Sony Vegas, etc.
I can guarantee you that just about every gaming platform that has ever existed (or will exist) has its own unique advantages and disadvantages and the PC is no exception.
I'm operating on the assumption that you are indeed not trolling but when you spew falsehoods like "$5000 gaming pc," it becomes impossible to take your argument seriously.
"I'm operating on the assumption that you are indeed not trolling"
dont kid yourself mate, anyone who says PCs are $5k is trolling. The pros and cons of PC gaming get discussed in just about every PC article, so he would have had to been living on mars not to know this
dont kid yourself mate, anyone who says PCs are $5k is trolling. The pros and cons of PC gaming get discussed in just about every PC article, so he would have had to been living on mars not to know this
@DNA619
I already acknowledged that there PC doesn't get console exclusives, but that's a no-brainer. There are some great PC exclusives that the consoles will never see. There are games that the PC gets first and the console gets a long time later.
It took four years for consoles to get Crysis and will still be a few more months until the Witcher 2 hits. I've been enjoying Team Meat's new game The Binding of Isaac without you, along with Magicka, Amnesia, and League of Legends. I doubt you'll ever see StarCraft 2, Red Orchestra 2, or Hard Reset.
So.. yeah. It's an argument that can be made on both sides of the fence. That's why people like me have all the systems they need to play all the games they enjoy instead of bashing and disregarding one or another and missing out on some great gaming experiences.
I already acknowledged that there PC doesn't get console exclusives, but that's a no-brainer. There are some great PC exclusives that the consoles will never see. There are games that the PC gets first and the console gets a long time later.
It took four years for consoles to get Crysis and will still be a few more months until the Witcher 2 hits. I've been enjoying Team Meat's new game The Binding of Isaac without you, along with Magicka, Amnesia, and League of Legends. I doubt you'll ever see StarCraft 2, Red Orchestra 2, or Hard Reset.
So.. yeah. It's an argument that can be made on both sides of the fence. That's why people like me have all the systems they need to play all the games they enjoy instead of bashing and disregarding one or another and missing out on some great gaming experiences.
WTF?! No Cryotek to fap to this chart? :) Jokes aside, the "PC vs. console" debate is often poorly illustrated, mostly because its incredibly complex. Boiling it down to a few bar graphs doesn't do it justice.
It's not really more expensive to game on a PC.
My PC is over two years old, and I can play anything just fine. No, I won't be playing "Ultra High" on anything new, but I don't really care about that. Graphics are not the reason I game on a PC.
My PC cost about $800, with a quad-core Phenom II. Even if I weren't a gamer, I would still own a PC, so you can basically deduct at least $400 from that total, which leaves $400--not all that more expensive than a console.
I also find that buying games on special from all the different digital distributions is cheaper than playing the used game market. No, you can't trade the game in, but you can buy it for a HELL of a lot less if you're patient.
At the worst, it's break-even. If you're clever enough to wait for holidays, though, I have little down that PC gaming is actually cheaper.
My PC is over two years old, and I can play anything just fine. No, I won't be playing "Ultra High" on anything new, but I don't really care about that. Graphics are not the reason I game on a PC.
My PC cost about $800, with a quad-core Phenom II. Even if I weren't a gamer, I would still own a PC, so you can basically deduct at least $400 from that total, which leaves $400--not all that more expensive than a console.
I also find that buying games on special from all the different digital distributions is cheaper than playing the used game market. No, you can't trade the game in, but you can buy it for a HELL of a lot less if you're patient.
At the worst, it's break-even. If you're clever enough to wait for holidays, though, I have little down that PC gaming is actually cheaper.
@Neveryll: For every hyperdimension whatever, there's 10+ comparable/better games on the PC. Every platform has it's few great exclusives (well, except for xbox imo) but where is my time being spent mostly these days? You're correct, the PC.
At the end of the day, I honestly don't think the PC is a "better" gaming system. There are strengths to consoles and strengths to PCs. Depending on what kind of gamer you are, the console just might be a better option.
That said, the PC catches an awful lot of shit on Dtoid, and it's only the last few months that PC gaming has been taken seriously here.
That said, the PC catches an awful lot of shit on Dtoid, and it's only the last few months that PC gaming has been taken seriously here.
they can say how popular pc gaming is but i will never have a pc that can run the games properly, especially ever since college the only type of pcs I use are laptops.
It is nice to just grab a controller and freak games with some friends. But Entire Keyboard + Mouse is too much win. It really enables games to be MUCH more in depth than your standard console.
You know what happens when stupid people try to speak intelligently? Train wrecks like these comments. Most of them anyway.
That people are happy when a game or a platform they like is selling well is perfectly normal, as is being sad when something you think is good doesn't sell so well.
But getting mad because a game/platform you either don't like or simply don't use is doing well is so fucking idiotic.
That people are happy when a game or a platform they like is selling well is perfectly normal, as is being sad when something you think is good doesn't sell so well.
But getting mad because a game/platform you either don't like or simply don't use is doing well is so fucking idiotic.
keep on crying console kiddies. besides, who the hell cares if pc is making a comeback?
oh, right, the console kiddies who like to cry about dumb shit.
oh, right, the console kiddies who like to cry about dumb shit.
Social Networking Games and MMOs are games ! Get over it idiots. The next Console generation will be all over social Networking Casual MMOs Microtransaction thingies - shit. Because, you know, that stuff SELLS. And that's the only thing that has relevance in this industry.
Excluding MMOs out of game sales is something only hardcore consolejizzgasmers could come up. Also, there are MMOs on consoles, and they are shit.
I'm not a pc "elitist" or something. I have every major console this generation, and love each one of them (except that white dead piece of plastic called wii), also I got a moderate gaming rig. I can pick my platform of choice. And nowadays its mostly PC for multiplatform games (cheaper/smoother/better looking/mods etc...).
Excluding MMOs out of game sales is something only hardcore consolejizzgasmers could come up. Also, there are MMOs on consoles, and they are shit.
I'm not a pc "elitist" or something. I have every major console this generation, and love each one of them (except that white dead piece of plastic called wii), also I got a moderate gaming rig. I can pick my platform of choice. And nowadays its mostly PC for multiplatform games (cheaper/smoother/better looking/mods etc...).
Wow that infographic isnt biased at all..
Where the hell did they get the game prices from?
Since when has NCAA football one of the biggest selling console games? Plus its been out a fraction of the time SC2 has been out.
Where the hell did they get the game prices from?
Since when has NCAA football one of the biggest selling console games? Plus its been out a fraction of the time SC2 has been out.
^But I wuv my Dead Space Mobile...
I'd say that PC gaming and console gaming are both good, because the games on them are good. They're just a means to an end.
I'd say that PC gaming and console gaming are both good, because the games on them are good. They're just a means to an end.
what lintire said.
also, yes, im sorry console kids but unfortunately social gaming and mmo's DO count.
hey, unless we can just arbitrarily discount games like gears, halo, god of war, uncharted, or mario and zelda games.
also, yes, im sorry console kids but unfortunately social gaming and mmo's DO count.
hey, unless we can just arbitrarily discount games like gears, halo, god of war, uncharted, or mario and zelda games.
@Scissors
exactly :P
and oh people there's always a CHOICE :P
you are not limited to consoles and PC. you have handhelds, mobile phones tons of other things :P
remember having a choice is always good :P
exactly :P
and oh people there's always a CHOICE :P
you are not limited to consoles and PC. you have handhelds, mobile phones tons of other things :P
remember having a choice is always good :P
btw im enjoying my Deus Ex and Sam & Max as well as other Visual Novel games on my PC
while i enjoy my MGS, Uncharted, Catherine, Dark Souls, KOFXIII and tons more on consoles :P
choice people!!!!
while i enjoy my MGS, Uncharted, Catherine, Dark Souls, KOFXIII and tons more on consoles :P
choice people!!!!
I'm okay with this. I'm more of a console gamer, but the general change of interest in platforms always correlates with some nice gaming innovations which benefit everyone, so that's good.
To make any informed judgement on this we'd really need data spanning back a few more years to rule out this just being part of a larger cycle tied into the console timeline.
My guess would be that now with consoles starting to show their age next to PCs, people stand to gain much more than they did previously by switching to PC gaming. When the new generation of consoles eventually hits I'm sure the trend would then reverse as people flock to the new systems getting all the support from publishers.
If we had data showing a few more years back we'd be able to see if this is what happened last time. My guess is; it did.
My guess would be that now with consoles starting to show their age next to PCs, people stand to gain much more than they did previously by switching to PC gaming. When the new generation of consoles eventually hits I'm sure the trend would then reverse as people flock to the new systems getting all the support from publishers.
If we had data showing a few more years back we'd be able to see if this is what happened last time. My guess is; it did.
I'm entirely not shocked.
Like really, only non-gamers would spout stuff like 'lol pc dying consoles 4 life'
Like really, only non-gamers would spout stuff like 'lol pc dying consoles 4 life'
not implying that I mean that all consolers are non-gamers,just that something that caught me eye. Trust me, I love console games too. Crummy Ports though, no, not so much.
lol consoles are killing pcs
lol pcs are killing consoles
lol mobile gaming is killing handhelds
Would anyone who has said anything remotely like those three statements kindly shut the fuck up and just play video games? Seriously.
lol pcs are killing consoles
lol mobile gaming is killing handhelds
Would anyone who has said anything remotely like those three statements kindly shut the fuck up and just play video games? Seriously.
i like how they dont list PC failure rates. cause its so random whether a pc fails or not. but i can tell you this. ive had to fix plenty of pc's ,being a hardware warranty tech, quite often. far more components to fail on a pc than a console.
also people spend 8 hours a day on a pc because you do way more on a pc than a console. so of course you will spend more time on it.
also what @teffy said.
also people spend 8 hours a day on a pc because you do way more on a pc than a console. so of course you will spend more time on it.
also what @teffy said.
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