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All "platform wars" aside (I'm on 360) ... I hope they resolve this mess for PC people as soon as possible.
And,of course, Jimpressions are written with impressions of the least favorable platform for this game.
Really, Id built this game with consoles in mind, right?
But still, it's no excuse for Id. But it's a small thing to play the game on a console and get the experience the way Id meant it to be.
Really, Id built this game with consoles in mind, right?
But still, it's no excuse for Id. But it's a small thing to play the game on a console and get the experience the way Id meant it to be.
@SephirothX
Exactly. I think it has less to do with ID and more to do with Bethesda rushing people or something. I mean, just look at Bethesda's track record. Brink? New Vegas? Anyone?
Exactly. I think it has less to do with ID and more to do with Bethesda rushing people or something. I mean, just look at Bethesda's track record. Brink? New Vegas? Anyone?
I installed the nVidia driver update, and it indeed seemed to make the game run a bit smoother on my 4-year-old 8800GT card, which I honestly wasn't expecting.
That being said, graphical stability is a separate issue from the game being a noticeably poor port. The extremely shallow video settings are shocking and disappointing for an id game.
That being said, graphical stability is a separate issue from the game being a noticeably poor port. The extremely shallow video settings are shocking and disappointing for an id game.
Gamie64:
You seem to imply it's "okay" to have a bad PC port if a game's designed for console. No, when you're charging fifty or sixty bucks for a game, it's NEVER okay to have a poor version. Those who pre-ordered and bought the game on PC got a shoddy product, and that's not right.
If you don't want to think about the PC version when you're developing, don't fucking sell a PC version.
You seem to imply it's "okay" to have a bad PC port if a game's designed for console. No, when you're charging fifty or sixty bucks for a game, it's NEVER okay to have a poor version. Those who pre-ordered and bought the game on PC got a shoddy product, and that's not right.
If you don't want to think about the PC version when you're developing, don't fucking sell a PC version.
The lack of proper graphics settings, the state of the textures.
This was a really bad way to show off the new engine.
I'm sure they'll work out the issues within the next couple of days, but they were so obvious that it's hard to believe they even tested the final build on PC much at all.
This was a really bad way to show off the new engine.
I'm sure they'll work out the issues within the next couple of days, but they were so obvious that it's hard to believe they even tested the final build on PC much at all.
@TheNephilym
Well I was more or less just poked fun at Bethesda since they werent really directly involved in this. But yeah, there is a pattern building.
Well I was more or less just poked fun at Bethesda since they werent really directly involved in this. But yeah, there is a pattern building.
I still can't believe they shipped this without Crossfire and SLI support. My second Radeon 6950 should should not be idle in contemporary games
I still can't believe they shipped this without Crossfire and SLI support. My second Radeon 6950 should not be idle in contemporary games
I really want a refund for this pathetic game. It was obviously made for consoles and they didn't even test the PC version. Jim when you said, "I'm absolutely shocked the game came out in the state it did, especially from a studio with so much computer history." That's what myself and everyone else was thinking on release night... It was utter shit. The game still wont play on my PC and I had the drivers.
ah, glad to have held off getting the game :) still, sorry to hear about the rage this game is causing...
I'm glad I decided not to buy this lol. Jim's review and the state the current product is in means I'm not buying this till its cheap.
Did you try it on your ridiculous new rig?
I'd have thought that thing could power through most problems? - but then i understand very little of the inner workings of a PC.
Still, a damn shame such a PC centric dev could release what sounds like such a sloppy port.
I'd have thought that thing could power through most problems? - but then i understand very little of the inner workings of a PC.
Still, a damn shame such a PC centric dev could release what sounds like such a sloppy port.
@ Felix Kyo Grnewald
Yeah right. I remember seriously thinking this way back when BLOOD came out on PC in an unplayable state. "They're gonna have a recall, right?" No, just wait a few months and then download this huge patch, and do it over your dial-up connection because it's 1997.
At least now when you have to wait for a patch/driver update to fix your unplayable $60 game, you can wait at lightning fast internet speeds!
Yeah right. I remember seriously thinking this way back when BLOOD came out on PC in an unplayable state. "They're gonna have a recall, right?" No, just wait a few months and then download this huge patch, and do it over your dial-up connection because it's 1997.
At least now when you have to wait for a patch/driver update to fix your unplayable $60 game, you can wait at lightning fast internet speeds!
Is it just me, or has id been really short-sighted with idTech5? I predominantly play PC games at the moment but obviously I can see that the money is in consoles, but why make an engine that is targeted at this generation of consoles?
You have to assume that if they maxed out the engine as a showcase on the current spec of PC, then that could be done on the next line of consoles at a minimum and tweak it from there.
I can't remember the last game that used a 3rd-party engine that wasn't Unreal, so most devs who want to use it are already bought into the whole Unreal ecosystem and know all it's quirks, so why not aim higher?
It's a stunning game on console, but it's going to be bettered in 2-3 years with the new consoles. If they had shown it off and really gone all out on PC DX11 effects, it could have been a showcase and had other devs looking at it ready for the next generation rather than a few years to get up to speed and design a game around for this generation.
You have to assume that if they maxed out the engine as a showcase on the current spec of PC, then that could be done on the next line of consoles at a minimum and tweak it from there.
I can't remember the last game that used a 3rd-party engine that wasn't Unreal, so most devs who want to use it are already bought into the whole Unreal ecosystem and know all it's quirks, so why not aim higher?
It's a stunning game on console, but it's going to be bettered in 2-3 years with the new consoles. If they had shown it off and really gone all out on PC DX11 effects, it could have been a showcase and had other devs looking at it ready for the next generation rather than a few years to get up to speed and design a game around for this generation.
I like that. "IMMEDIATELY". Like your GPUs are now ticking time bombs and this is the only way to defuse them.
Great. When will they fix their buggy engine on consoles. If you squint your eyes it looks like the world is full of life with blowing dusk, rolling tumbleweeds, baren trees blowing slightly in the wind. Then you open your eyes and realize it's just a mess of textures constantly poping in and out of focus / resolutioin / existance...constantly...no matter what you do.
I downloaded the drivers but am still seeing the texture pop in. I also see other issues like characters flickering. I am using a Radeon 6950 HD. The new drivers only went so far. This game needs a patch.
My question is, how can a game REQUIRE drivers that DIDN'T EXIST YET when it was in development?
Were they testing this on magic future-PCs that they got Marty McFly to bring them?
Were they testing this on magic future-PCs that they got Marty McFly to bring them?
Sexualchocolate: A full write-up of my experiences with RAGE on the new rig will be coming.
Spoiler -- my words won't be pleasant.
Spoiler -- my words won't be pleasant.
@Jim
I am completely in love with you for starting to give the PC some love and have valid arguments for the PC side. With that said, I have my copy of Rage working with the new drivers, however I get loading screen lockups with a "Rage has stopped working error" and its a sad sad little joke. Let just hope they don't fuck up Skyrim this bad.
I am completely in love with you for starting to give the PC some love and have valid arguments for the PC side. With that said, I have my copy of Rage working with the new drivers, however I get loading screen lockups with a "Rage has stopped working error" and its a sad sad little joke. Let just hope they don't fuck up Skyrim this bad.
I thought Deadspace 1 was a broken abomination but IDs POS takes the buscuit.
Atleast ID are bug fixing which is more than I can say for deadspace
Atleast ID are bug fixing which is more than I can say for deadspace
It seems to me that this new IDtech graphics engine is something thats specifically designed for consoles and doesnt really work that well for PC.
I wonder how popular it will be with other dev studios. Im hoping that devs who are wanting to make multiplat games will avoid it like the plague overwise the are gonna be allot of PC exculsives and crappy console ports
I wonder how popular it will be with other dev studios. Im hoping that devs who are wanting to make multiplat games will avoid it like the plague overwise the are gonna be allot of PC exculsives and crappy console ports
Jim, give these tweaks a try in the "set launch options" section of properties in steam, should make things work that bit smoother with luck!:
+cvaradd g_fov 20 +set com_skipIntroVideo 1 +fc_maxcachememoryMB 1024 +ik_enablesmoothing 0 +image_usecompression 0 +jobs_numthreads 4 +mem_phymemblocksizem 3072 +m_smooth 0 +m_rawinput 1
+cvaradd g_fov 20 +set com_skipIntroVideo 1 +fc_maxcachememoryMB 1024 +ik_enablesmoothing 0 +image_usecompression 0 +jobs_numthreads 4 +mem_phymemblocksizem 3072 +m_smooth 0 +m_rawinput 1
@Max-
That's the problem ... Jim and everyone else shouldn't have to fix the problem themselves. I shouldn't have to keep downloading drivers and set properties, the game should have released as A GAME, not a damn pre alpha...
That's the problem ... Jim and everyone else shouldn't have to fix the problem themselves. I shouldn't have to keep downloading drivers and set properties, the game should have released as A GAME, not a damn pre alpha...
"Really, Id built this game with consoles in mind, right?"
Yep, despite the marketting BS from ID saying its a game made with PC gamers in mind.
Yep, despite the marketting BS from ID saying its a game made with PC gamers in mind.
@Hasney
Carmack admitted in an interview with PC gamer that developing for consoles was a mistake. They started developing this game and engine back when the current consoles first came out and were still almost on par with the PC. He basically goes on to say that the PC outgrew their development process and it became more and more difficult to bridge the gap. He also basically said fuck consoles and that his main focus from here on out will be to ensure that the PC version hits its full potential.
Carmack admitted in an interview with PC gamer that developing for consoles was a mistake. They started developing this game and engine back when the current consoles first came out and were still almost on par with the PC. He basically goes on to say that the PC outgrew their development process and it became more and more difficult to bridge the gap. He also basically said fuck consoles and that his main focus from here on out will be to ensure that the PC version hits its full potential.
I wrote a scathing investigative Cblog about this a while back:
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/flintmech/here-s-what-s-wrong-with-pc-gaming-211035.phtml
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/flintmech/here-s-what-s-wrong-with-pc-gaming-211035.phtml
@Commander x202x - Though the game should be in a working state from the get-go, for me at least I've encountered 0 problems playing on pc, but for AMD users yeah it's been a bit of a big mess, that and the textures being "same as the 360" version being one of the biggest detriments to the game where it could look so much better with an extra 10 gigs of texturework, would've gladly downloaded 31 gigs instead of 20 gigs for that.
My problem with the game lies in the fact the devtools that were promised on launch aren't actually there, and though I knew about it a while back the lack of id supported deathmatch mode really does suck considering the game would be perfect for that type of play.
But hey, this'll probably be minor shit by the time BF3 ships eh? ;)
My problem with the game lies in the fact the devtools that were promised on launch aren't actually there, and though I knew about it a while back the lack of id supported deathmatch mode really does suck considering the game would be perfect for that type of play.
But hey, this'll probably be minor shit by the time BF3 ships eh? ;)
@Lycan XIII
They did, the problem was ATI/AMD fucked up their drivers... someone royally fucked up and left old OGL dll files in the driver software that completely fucked anyone who tried to play RAGE on an ATI card. This issue is now fixed with new drivers (for the most part).
NVIDIA also had some issues as well but nowhere near the level of what ATI's fuck up was.
So while yes, Bethesda should have done a bit more testing before they launched this to PC, the biggest headache was because of ATI's major fuck up, which effectively doubled the count of the amount of people who had issues on launch day.
It has been 7 years since id Software put a title on the market, and its a new engine for them that has hit the mass pc market for the first time. Doom 3 came out the door with similar issues only not as biblical because of a GPU driver fuck up. A lot of the times it is extremely hard for a developer to predict and prepare for how their new engine will behave when there are hundreds of thousands of different hardware configurations on the market, versus the console where there is only 2 or 3 major configurations.
I'm not trying to say the way bethesda handled this is by any means all right, its not. I'm just saying this shit is nothing new, especially when it comes to a new engine hitting the pc market.
Doom 3 (flagship of id tech 4 engine) - graphical and performance issues for at least the first week of launch. Took about a month to stable out.
Half-Life 2 (flagship of source engine) - Graphical Issues, and horrid issues with the first sailing of steam.
STALKER (flagship of X-Ray engine) - game was virtually unplayable for many for the first several weeks - had to use 3rd party community created mods to get it to run.
Witcher 2 (RED Engine) - Game wouldn't launch, or couldn't be launched in fullscreen, or had to be kicked down to medium detail because of major performance/graphical issues for the first week or so of launch.
They did, the problem was ATI/AMD fucked up their drivers... someone royally fucked up and left old OGL dll files in the driver software that completely fucked anyone who tried to play RAGE on an ATI card. This issue is now fixed with new drivers (for the most part).
NVIDIA also had some issues as well but nowhere near the level of what ATI's fuck up was.
So while yes, Bethesda should have done a bit more testing before they launched this to PC, the biggest headache was because of ATI's major fuck up, which effectively doubled the count of the amount of people who had issues on launch day.
It has been 7 years since id Software put a title on the market, and its a new engine for them that has hit the mass pc market for the first time. Doom 3 came out the door with similar issues only not as biblical because of a GPU driver fuck up. A lot of the times it is extremely hard for a developer to predict and prepare for how their new engine will behave when there are hundreds of thousands of different hardware configurations on the market, versus the console where there is only 2 or 3 major configurations.
I'm not trying to say the way bethesda handled this is by any means all right, its not. I'm just saying this shit is nothing new, especially when it comes to a new engine hitting the pc market.
Doom 3 (flagship of id tech 4 engine) - graphical and performance issues for at least the first week of launch. Took about a month to stable out.
Half-Life 2 (flagship of source engine) - Graphical Issues, and horrid issues with the first sailing of steam.
STALKER (flagship of X-Ray engine) - game was virtually unplayable for many for the first several weeks - had to use 3rd party community created mods to get it to run.
Witcher 2 (RED Engine) - Game wouldn't launch, or couldn't be launched in fullscreen, or had to be kicked down to medium detail because of major performance/graphical issues for the first week or so of launch.
@Wasteland Traveler
Those drivers came out yesterday morning as a quick fix for the already existing problem. Once AMD realized that they used old OpenGL files they got in there and fixed it right away. So twice in a single day AMD worked to fix a game that should have been compatible with their CURRENT drivers. They should not have needed to release a fix in the first place. Bethesda and ID should have been working with them this entire time to make sure that everything was going to be fully functional by release. If its anyone's fuck up, it's Bethesda's.
Those drivers came out yesterday morning as a quick fix for the already existing problem. Once AMD realized that they used old OpenGL files they got in there and fixed it right away. So twice in a single day AMD worked to fix a game that should have been compatible with their CURRENT drivers. They should not have needed to release a fix in the first place. Bethesda and ID should have been working with them this entire time to make sure that everything was going to be fully functional by release. If its anyone's fuck up, it's Bethesda's.
@TheNephilym
This isnt some shit where the developer has to be the one to always do things, id Software and almost every developer out there works hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to make sure the current GPU drivers on the market have full support for new OpenGL / Direct X API's that this developer may be using. This is just how shit works, ATI and Nvidia generally always release driver support for a game that's coming out with a new or unique structure, this is how its always been, this is nothing new. ATI Released a driver a day before the launch of RAGE that was SUPPOSED to have the proper OGL Dlls to support id tech 5, and it didnt. Had they released the proper OGL files with the driver software, the amount of people with issues would have been cut in half, as shown yesterday when the proper ATI drivers released.
AS I SAID, Bethesda still screwed up by not properly testing it because there are still issues with the game. HOWEVER, a majority of these issues were due to the fact that ATI fucked up by releasing something they shouldn't have (WHICH THEY EVEN ADMITTED TO).
This isnt some shit where the developer has to be the one to always do things, id Software and almost every developer out there works hand in hand with ATI/Nvidia to make sure the current GPU drivers on the market have full support for new OpenGL / Direct X API's that this developer may be using. This is just how shit works, ATI and Nvidia generally always release driver support for a game that's coming out with a new or unique structure, this is how its always been, this is nothing new. ATI Released a driver a day before the launch of RAGE that was SUPPOSED to have the proper OGL Dlls to support id tech 5, and it didnt. Had they released the proper OGL files with the driver software, the amount of people with issues would have been cut in half, as shown yesterday when the proper ATI drivers released.
AS I SAID, Bethesda still screwed up by not properly testing it because there are still issues with the game. HOWEVER, a majority of these issues were due to the fact that ATI fucked up by releasing something they shouldn't have (WHICH THEY EVEN ADMITTED TO).
My game looks great. I do notice the texture pop-in when I turn really fast. But it's not terrible.
And I won't be downloading the nVidia 285.xx driver because it's a beta driver. I'll just wait for the next stable release.
Loving Rage so far though.
And I won't be downloading the nVidia 285.xx driver because it's a beta driver. I'll just wait for the next stable release.
Loving Rage so far though.
Half-assing a game's release with promises to fix later just to meet a deadline? Perish the thought, or there really is a sucker born every minute?
Shocked? Say what? Did you read what you wrote? The issues being corrected are being done by Nvidia and AMD. Driver issues. This is nothing new. So it goes in PC gaming land. You must be a noob the the platform. When it comes to gaming on the PC gamers should be ready to do some work. It is up to the gamer to make sure a particular game runs smooth on their system. PCs are not universal. Even if two utilize the exact same hardware, they will run a game differently.
Updating your drivers when a new game ships should be a given. Not certain? Just go read about every single driver release note for the past decade.
Updating your drivers when a new game ships should be a given. Not certain? Just go read about every single driver release note for the past decade.
Shocked? Say what? Did you read what you wrote? The issues being corrected are being done by Nvidia and AMD. Driver issues. This is nothing new. So it goes in PC gaming land. You must be a noob to the the platform. When it comes to gaming on the PC gamers should be ready to do some work. It is up to the gamer to make sure a particular game runs smooth on their system. PCs are not universal. Even if two utilize the exact same hardware, they will run a game differently.
Updating your drivers when a new game ships should be a given. Not certain? Just go read about every single driver release note for the past decade.
Updating your drivers when a new game ships should be a given. Not certain? Just go read about every single driver release note for the past decade.
I spent $2300 on my new computer for just gaming and the two games Ive played on it so far were Deus Ex HR and RAGE. Imagine my disappointment when neither worked right on launch day. Its been a very sad time to play PC games.
2300 on a new computer?
Your problem is Macs still don't play many games.
If it's not a Mac, you did something very wrong - that's twice the amount you realistically need to spend.
Your problem is Macs still don't play many games.
If it's not a Mac, you did something very wrong - that's twice the amount you realistically need to spend.
Well fuck man.
i was going to get this on PC since... it's an id game! But now I'm really debating it. At least I'm in no hurry so by the time I play a bunch of patches should be available
but did they NOT develop this with PC as it's primary platform? It's fucking id!
i was going to get this on PC since... it's an id game! But now I'm really debating it. At least I'm in no hurry so by the time I play a bunch of patches should be available
but did they NOT develop this with PC as it's primary platform? It's fucking id!
Silly PC gamers, you have to upgrade your drivers to play it will play, and you're STILL not playing on the lead platform! Hahahaha!
See, I was SMART. I switched from PC to console gaming in 2005 and I've never looked back.
See, I was SMART. I switched from PC to console gaming in 2005 and I've never looked back.
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