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PC gamers 'destroy' console gamers in crossplatform tests photo

Microsoft had plans in motion to allow widespread crossplatform play between PC and Xbox 360 games, but those plans aren't in motion anymore.

Why is, that? Pretty simple, really -- the console players just couldn't hang. 

Voodoo PC found Rahul Sood revealed that the prospect was discussed "many many months ago" but that Microsoft killed off the idea due to tests that revealed PC gamers "destroyed" console gamers every single time. According to Sood, "It would be embarrassing to the Xbox team in general had Microsoft launched this initiative."

PC gamers often tout the accuracy of mouse-and-keyboard play as their ace in the hole. Having gotten into PC gaming over the past year, I certainly agree that the accuracy can't be beat, although it does seem that it's accurate to the point of coddling. When you can point and click your headshots, it just doesn't feel like you've earned it.

Did Microsoft kill Xbox Live+Windows Live cross-platform play because console gamers were too bad? [Crunchgear]








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Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:07
Sexualchocolate
"When you can point and click your headshots, it just doesn't feel like you've earned it."

Exactly my opinion on the topic.
Klarden's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:07
Klarden
"When you can point and click your headshots, it just doesn't feel like you've earned it."
that's just... wow...:/
AlphaJC's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:09
AlphaJC
well its not as easy as pointing and clicking Jim, alot of times i have to switch my sensitivity on my mouse if im sniping, i have it higher if i want to spray and stuff. its just a different means of popping peoples domes. If you want to talk not feeling like earning a kill you should play cod online for consoles, there is so much auto aim someone ran across a field 100 feet away and it dragged my cross hair with it.
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:09
eduh
back in the day weapons in fps's used to have shitty accuracy to make the game challenging.

nowadays, the guns are pin point accurate and they even throw in some auto aim, just because controllers are too shitty for fps's...
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:11
Tubatic
That's a killer quote. Not something I've thought of on the context of this argument, but damned if it isn't a fine point.

PC FPS, Whac A Mole Evolved. ZING!
eduh's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:14
eduh
the quote is bs, and jim knows it. unless your talking about single player, there is much more to an fps game, than just "point and click". plus, they dont include auto aim in the pc versions.
Jnr Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:14
Jnr Johnson
Oh boy here it comer People either talking Shyte about the PC or the Console get Ready PErsonally I play with both so NAH! :3 And I Still think they should have allowed cross platform gaming >:/ There's only one way for Console gamers to become good against pc gamers and that's TO fight each other :D And It isnt joint pointing and clicking with Mouse and keyboard...But I prefer a controller Cause my hand starts to cramp with the keyboard :(
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:18
shinryu
LOL FPS's
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:18
Chris Carter
This actually happened in PRACTICE.

When Shadowrun came out (which had cross platform play ages ago), the deveopers specifically said "we had to dumb down the PC version to make it more fair".

It was part of the reason why the game failed. So yes, if the developers, after tons of testing, specifically said that PC gamers destroy Console gamers, then there's obviously a problem.

If you added keyboard and mouse support to consoles, there would be ZERO problem however. I have no idea why they wouldn't do that! They could package and sell "premium editions" of FPS games to console users with overpriced keyboards and mice - and they'd buy it!
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:18
TewDee
"When you can point and click your headshots, it just doesn't feel like you've earned it."

...what? That's some bullshit right there.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:20
Chris Carter
Also, (lawl) at the fact that so many console gamers have no idea that auto-aim is in 99% of most of their games.
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:20
garethxxgod
So realistically, console users > PC users? I can live with that.
overdoze's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:20
overdoze
might as well lay my cards on the table then....PC inverted mouse for the win!
Ive been playing fps on PC for 15 years and on the console with a gamepad for 2-3...the skill does not translate over at all heheh
Triple C's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:20
Triple C
I'm having trouble understanding the difference. With a console controller your still point, with the analog stick, and click, with the buttons. The only difference I see is difficulty with using a controller compare to a mouse, considering how often a mouse is used for everything involving a computer. Want a challenge on a PC FPS? Try playing with a touchpad.
savagesaladin's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:21
savagesaladin
Here comes all the asshole PC people... Not everybody can afford to spend thousands of dollars a year upgrading a PC because its the fashionable thing to do. All your friends did it, or you want to be the first to show off all your fancy PC specs. "Oh look, my PC can run Crysis. Yours cant. Therefore I'm better than you and my farts smell like gummy bears. And I hate puppies. You're such a n00b. ROFLMAO!LOL!WTF!"

Keep upgrading. Twice a year? Wow, what an investment.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:22
Sexualchocolate
Old school games like counter strike had nice wide reticules showing the possible spread of bullets, that was a great way to counteract the whole "whack-a-mole" problem with mouse gaming.

These days not so much.

But don't get me started on Call of Fucking Duty on the consoles!
i once noticed while looking into a cloud of smoke, my crosshair being dragged across the screen by the auto-aim, popped a couple of shots and scored a headshot - never played it again. Traded it in and will not buy another one.

MAG, and Battlefield however are both completely different stories.

I love any FPS without autoaim, I find it turns a skilled genre into a fastest to the trigger competition and that sucks balls.

Console games without auto-aim and PC games with wide reticules are REAL shooting games.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:25
TewDee
@savagesaladin - Three years ago I built a PC for $1000, including monitor which was almost $200 alone. I still use that computer to this day and it still runs every game released on high. Upgrading more than one every year is for enthusiasts.
somanycats's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:28
somanycats
Ummmm right, I don't play PC games comfortably on a PC from 2005. Your logic is unbeatable saladin. Also it's pretty cool that you used all those topical internet acronyms without making yourself look like an uninformed idiot.

Also, it's foolish to say that your headshots mean more when they just take longer to line up. That just means your games are slower and rely heavily on pre-aiming. All I'm seeing here are standard inflammatory comments. Enjoy that skill ceiling.
overdoze's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:31
overdoze
Upgrading pc's costs way too much when you can get a console once every 5 years for a couple hundred bucks. Then trying to get friends to play with with equal level computers is a losing battle. Back before xbox live, if you wanted to play online getting a pc is what you had to do. Dont hate on it, its why you have awesome games to play on consoles today. Did i mention i walked to school uphills both ways in the snow?
Retrofraction's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:36
Retrofraction
I realy think its because 360 lag online and LAN instead of PCs that have way better hardware
watermanx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:37
watermanx
Lol console only gamers.
Do I need to mention mods, third party maps and dedicated servers. These make pc gaming the king.
tohdom's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:37
tohdom
"When you can point and click your headshots, it just doesn't feel like you've earned it." that is BS.

And when enemy just standing right in front of you and give you time to shoot, how lame that must be feels? (singleplayer console fps)
Shami Wowie Sansi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:37
Shami Wowie Sansi
Why can't we all just agree that we all have our own preferences.

Some people prefer the PC because it controls more accurately and everything is customizable.
Some people prefer consoles because you dont have to worry about specifications and sensitivity and you can just pick up and play.
mighty_marcos's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:37
mighty_marcos
Jim,
Don't hate the players, hate the game.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:38
Jim Sterling
Magnalon: Aim-assist isn't the same as auto-aim.
The Fundoshis's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:39
The Fundoshis
I agree with Sexualchocolate.

Growing up with Counter-strike I simply can never get into FPS on console. Nothing's wrong with it, just not my thing. It feels cheap when you don't have to aim.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:40
Spaz
@magnalon:auto aim actually fucks me up ironically so I always have to turn it off anyway :). Hopefully if there is a way to turn it off.


Why did MS test something that was already a given anyway?
topcatyo's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:40
topcatyo
Eh, console versus PC, a "war" I personally don't care about. PC Games are terrible for platformers, Consoles are terrible for RTSs and FPSes (although they've been getting better at FPSes). I bought my PS3 and it can still run games that are coming out now, I got a new graphics card for my PC in 2006 (the top card there was too. I had the option to upgrade for once so I did) and my computer still can't run Company of Heroes.

Consoles and PCs have their positives and negatives, and I'm too broke nowadays to afford either.
kevinski's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:40
kevinski
@Indiana Jones - The only reason that console gaming is "king of the mountain" is because it's more accessible. I have a feeling that you'd think that a game was complete shit if it didn't have all of the assists that you're probably completely unaware even exist. Watching console deathmatches is painful.

As for just pointing and clicking to earn headshots, you'll find that PC gamers tend to be far more erratic in their evasion tactics than you could ever be on a console. It's not as easy as it's made to sound.
tolkienfanatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:41
tolkienfanatic
But it is still not the same as actually aiming.
X3Ent3nte's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:42
X3Ent3nte
it does feel like youve earned it jimothy because the other fuckers can kill you just as easily. TF2, CSS, Wolf ET are a never ending struggle of over caffenated warriors locked in a glorious battle of reflexs and mouse skillz. So youre saying that the imprecision of a pad sort of simulates the inertia of aiming a real gun
XrayZwei's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:42
XrayZwei
This would have been a non-issue if console players could just use mouse and keyboard.
Manthai's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:42
Manthai
I kiiiiiiiind of see where the point and click comment is coming from, despite initially recoiling in rage (after all, isn't pointing a real gun (before the recoil) as easy as point and click? You don't turn the thing like it's some kind of turret). But then I remembered back when games weren't developed primarily for consoles and ported across.

An example of when things were the opposite: with UT2k3 (unreal championship on xbox) it was impossible to have a decent experience on consoles. That entire game was all about dodging and flick shots, both of which couldn't be done with analogue sticks. When players are dancing around you at 3 times the speed of any FPS out today, it changes from point and click to something that really requires skill. But now that those games don't exist, meh, each to their own.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:43
Jim Sterling
"And when enemy just standing right in front of you and give you time to shoot, how lame that must be feels? (singleplayer console fps)"

How is that unique to consoles? You seriously tried to argue that AI is magically better on PC?

I'm yet to play a PC game where the AI is suddenly miles better than console single-player games.
TheWeaponeer's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:45
TheWeaponeer
You know, someone should take 4X4 Evolution, the old Dreamcast game that allowed PC, MAC, and Dreamcast players to play together, and put this theory to the test.

Speaking of Dreamcast, remember Quake 3 Arena? Cross platform with PC and DC and both got to use keyboard/mouse setups if they wanted it. So if a console user had this setup, and smoked a PC player is the PC player still a better player then?

The only games listed are shooters. I wonder how racing and RTS (Universe At War) holds up against this. Just curious, because I am wearing my INTERNET SCIENCE COAT~! today.
nicojay's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:45
nicojay
When I press the power-on button on an electrical device and it turns on, I just don't feel I earnt it.

Jim you magnificent baiter. A Troll amongst trolls.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:45
Chris Carter
@Spaz
The catch is you can't turn it off for OTHER players.

@Jim
Aiming a sniper at 1/100th of a mouse sensitivity setting is still a lot harder, imo, than any sort of "auto" anything.

@Shami Wowie
A lot of people still mess around with sensitivity to get it "just right", even on console, though - in Halo 1, everyone I knew had their own special sensitivity setting.
Korinthian's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:47
Korinthian
This isn't about PC gamers being better than console gamers, this is about the PC being better at games than consoles, and who didn't already know that?

If Jim thinks getting a headshot is just a matter of pointing and clicking, he has never played an FPS game on a PC.
DanGahlay's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:48
DanGahlay
@savagesaladin Two years ago I bought a PC for around £200 and a 22-inch 16:10 monitor for £100. It's a little on the cheap side but it still runs everything I've thrown at it at medium specs at least. In the last year that's included everything from LEGO Harry Potter to Modern Warfare 2 and War for Cybertron. In fact the ONLY game I've ever had a problem with was Crysis. I had to play it on a relatively low setting. It was still playable but the resolution wasn't great.

I hate how the expectation is that PC gaming is ridiculously expensive. It's really, really not. I think I'll probably upgrade my graphics card early next year sometime but it's not a necessity.

Also, I don't agree with the unsatisfying click to headshot comment but, meh.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:50
Spaz
@magnalon: I actually was referring to Single player. I don't touch Multiplayer FPSs which is why Killzone 2 has never been played online. I don't care for online console FPSs to much.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:52
Spaz
@DanGahlay: I agree its extremely satisfying when you nail someone from across the map :).
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:53
Occams electric toothbrush
Guys come on now, console gamers and pc gamers can all get along. It's like Queen Latifah said:

U-N-I-T-Y (That spells Unity).
AdamantiumHip's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:55
AdamantiumHip
for one - this is from a pc guy, so he's not gonna insult his target audience, plus he has no real source named or anything- smells like bs.


Jim- I agree with you completely on the point and click thing. it might be more precise, but you might as well be playing point and click adventure games. There's no real skill in it, and it just doesn't feel as weighty as an anologue, with the aiming with the stick and the trigger to fire.

PC FPS' are little more than point and click games.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:55
The Silent Protagonist
FPS on PC was always more accurate due to mouse and keyboard.

Thing is, the motion controls Wii and PS3 have actually could compete against mouse and keyboard. Kinect I have my doubts about in that regard, but I know playing RE4 Wii edition my accuracy skyrocketed well past what it was on GameCube.

There are plenty of ways to fix how things are too accurate, though. Things like adding some realistic recoil to guns and such. PC gamers can cry about that being a way of "dumbing down" the game, but making weapons more realistic is a good thing.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:56
Jim Sterling
Hilariously, I love playing games on PC, especially FPS games. I'm not even hating on it, I just think that it never feels quite so satisfying to point-and-click while playing a shooting game. I always feel like I've got an unnatural advantage.

It's just what I think though, no need to get so friggin' defensive.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:57
amtalx
Games on all platforms are fun. Stop bitching.
EightBitRob's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:57
EightBitRob
A mouse is more accurate than a analog stick. If it wasn't we'd all be navigating to porn on the web with a dual shock.
Jnr Johnson's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:58
Jnr Johnson
@ Occams electric toothbrush yeah your right lets all get alone :)*deletes anti pc/console shooter rant and passes peace pipe*
Braumeister's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 08:59
Braumeister
The PC advantage has been common knowledge for years.
Doobles's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/22/2010 09:00
Doobles
@Jim Sterling

A little hypocritical there Jim. You've said in the past that it takes more skill to play a FPS with a console controller and I totally agree. Considering how clumsy controllers are to control an aiming a reticule with I'm surprised people manage to get so many kills. Now when someone brings up the fact that many console FPS games come with the aim-assist crutch you seem to be OK with that. How is that any different than being able to quickly scroll to a target with a mouse on the PC? Can't have it both ways man. Having your hand held doesn't scream "uber skillz" to me.
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