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A marksman with no scope? Interesting...
Anyway, thanks for the preview. I'll give the MP a try when I rent this in February, and hopefully I won't be so late to the party (like I was with Killzone 2) that I can actually have some fun!
Anyway, thanks for the preview. I'll give the MP a try when I rent this in February, and hopefully I won't be so late to the party (like I was with Killzone 2) that I can actually have some fun!
Yeah no scope sniper is kind of strange. But who cares I never liked that class anyway. Medics and Infiltrators are where it's at. I love disguising myself and sticking C4 on the enemy players.
I hated the Engineers with their shotguns. I always felt like, and maybe this is just me whining, that the shotgun's range was too great and I always got 1 hit killed by it from pretty far away.
I hated the Engineers with their shotguns. I always felt like, and maybe this is just me whining, that the shotgun's range was too great and I always got 1 hit killed by it from pretty far away.
I unfortunately only got to see the single player (I must have got in the wrong line up), but the single player does look awesome... the mechs are an interesting addition, the 3D is also pretty incredible... it really does add a lot to gameplay though not enough for me to warrant running out and buying a 3D tv! I watched some of the multiplayer and it does look like fun though!
Damn, I'm not sure I like the changes to the Tactician. I loved the ability to throw down a spawn grenade wherever I wanted, and there wasn't an issue with randomly opening up wormholes like you say once Guerilla made it so people weren't invincible immediately after spawning. Tacticians still had to put them in relatively concealed locations, or else people would just rack up kills by pointing at an enemy's spawn grenade and waiting for their reticule to turn red.
Dick is so hard right now.
Though I have to ask; I actually liked the heavy controls of Killzone 2, and I don't imagine they went all 12 Year Old Halo Spastic on Mountain Dew loose, but... well, I'm concerned about the speed. Did they ratchet it up just a bit? A bit more? A lot more? How does it feel? (It doesn't feel like Halo, right?)
Also, the Tactician's air support drone: Still fucking sucks? Confirm/Deny?
Are shotguns less cheap than they were in KZ2? I mean, let's face it, there were plenty of twats who would spawn rush with shotties and they were simply too effective at a range. Has that been balanced?
I need to know, Jim!
Though I have to ask; I actually liked the heavy controls of Killzone 2, and I don't imagine they went all 12 Year Old Halo Spastic on Mountain Dew loose, but... well, I'm concerned about the speed. Did they ratchet it up just a bit? A bit more? A lot more? How does it feel? (It doesn't feel like Halo, right?)
Also, the Tactician's air support drone: Still fucking sucks? Confirm/Deny?
Are shotguns less cheap than they were in KZ2? I mean, let's face it, there were plenty of twats who would spawn rush with shotties and they were simply too effective at a range. Has that been balanced?
I need to know, Jim!
I'm glad they ditched the shotgun on the Engineer. I liked the class, but I was always torn between him and and the LMG-toting soldier. This comes as good news to me. The only change I dislike is that the Tactician no longer gets spawn grenades, although to fair they could drastically unbalance the gme anyway. Radec Academy and the huge bias against the Helghast springs to mind.
"Did they ratchet it up just a bit? A bit more? A lot more? How does it feel? (It doesn't feel like Halo, right?) "
Honestly? It felt like Killzone 2 to me. If they did speed it up, I didn't feel it. And I like that, because I loved Killzone 2.
"Also, the Tactician's air support drone: Still fucking sucks? Confirm/Deny?"
I don't recall getting any kills with it. I think it's about what it was post-patch in KZ2.
"Are shotguns less cheap than they were in KZ2? I mean, let's face it, there were plenty of twats who would spawn rush with shotties and they were simply too effective at a range. Has that been balanced? "
Like I said, you pretty much are guaranteed a kill with a shotty as the Infiltrator. I do wonder if they might need to tone it down.
Honestly? It felt like Killzone 2 to me. If they did speed it up, I didn't feel it. And I like that, because I loved Killzone 2.
"Also, the Tactician's air support drone: Still fucking sucks? Confirm/Deny?"
I don't recall getting any kills with it. I think it's about what it was post-patch in KZ2.
"Are shotguns less cheap than they were in KZ2? I mean, let's face it, there were plenty of twats who would spawn rush with shotties and they were simply too effective at a range. Has that been balanced? "
Like I said, you pretty much are guaranteed a kill with a shotty as the Infiltrator. I do wonder if they might need to tone it down.
My favorite loadout for the Tactician was swapping out the bot with Spot and Mark anyway, so the changes suit me just fine. I'm not sure if I like the idea of such organized spawn points, though.
Sure, the Tactician could toss a spawn grenade into the enemy's base. But if you were careful, you could also create a spawn point where no one suspected it; you could hide them in low-traffic areas, providing completely alternate routes to objectives. So canned spawn points kind of stink in comparison to the utility of the spawn grenade. Still, it'll really depend on map design whether this is a bad change or a great one.
Sure, the Tactician could toss a spawn grenade into the enemy's base. But if you were careful, you could also create a spawn point where no one suspected it; you could hide them in low-traffic areas, providing completely alternate routes to objectives. So canned spawn points kind of stink in comparison to the utility of the spawn grenade. Still, it'll really depend on map design whether this is a bad change or a great one.
If the spawn grenades got to the enemy base, it was because the enemy sucked. IMO, I never got a spawn grenade in my base. But OH BOY did I plant too many of those things on the enemies butt. That plus a good Rocket Launcher means a lot of kills once you spawn.
Sounds awesome. I get the feeling, from the demo shown, that you get to unlock equips for you classes now.
Which means the marksman has to work their way towards unlocking that ever more powerful and long-range sniper rifle with their 2x and 4x scope.
MoH does a similar thing where you start off with a normal rifle scope (i.e. no zoom at all) and you have to unlock the sniper rifle by leveling up the class.
What's interesting to me is the no listing of the assault class. Was that taken out? Not that that's a bad thing. With mechs and jetpacks in the multiplayer it sounds like they're be more useful than just being suicidal bastards. Which brings me to another thing, are they actually going to penalize players for committing suicide or not?
Which means the marksman has to work their way towards unlocking that ever more powerful and long-range sniper rifle with their 2x and 4x scope.
MoH does a similar thing where you start off with a normal rifle scope (i.e. no zoom at all) and you have to unlock the sniper rifle by leveling up the class.
What's interesting to me is the no listing of the assault class. Was that taken out? Not that that's a bad thing. With mechs and jetpacks in the multiplayer it sounds like they're be more useful than just being suicidal bastards. Which brings me to another thing, are they actually going to penalize players for committing suicide or not?
I am not liking this "no scope" on my sniper rifle as well. Can't judge it right now cause I haven't seen\played it....but the idea sounds like weak sauce to me :/
Wait, no assault class? Thank Jesus!
Also, I really hope the shotgun isn't overpowered as fuck this time. I'm also not so sure about the LMG, I just think that they're kind of overkill.
All in all, I'm really excited about this game. It is defiantly going to be on some GOTY lists for next year.
Also, I really hope the shotgun isn't overpowered as fuck this time. I'm also not so sure about the LMG, I just think that they're kind of overkill.
All in all, I'm really excited about this game. It is defiantly going to be on some GOTY lists for next year.
I loved that the shotgun in KZ2 actually had some decent range like an actual real life shotgun, instead of some weird game shotgun, I see in most things I play, that follows the logic of the buckshot magically dissapearing outside of the range of 5 ft away from the muzzle. That being said it was annoying to get spawn rushed with the shotguns. But I actually appreciated the KZ2 shotgun working more like a real chunky 12 gauge shotgun rather than the weirdo shotguns I'm used to using in other games.
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Well done. Good for you. I wont be getting mvc 3 as i hate the previous games. But i will be getting this. And Dead space 2. And GT5. And DNF if it graces us in 2011. And many more but im getting bored.
Well done. Good for you. I wont be getting mvc 3 as i hate the previous games. But i will be getting this. And Dead space 2. And GT5. And DNF if it graces us in 2011. And many more but im getting bored.
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"getting up close as he was wont to do with the shotgun."
This game is sounding like a beast I want in my house.
"getting up close as he was wont to do with the shotgun."
This game is sounding like a beast I want in my house.
No assault class = fan-bloody-tastic. I ended up only playing no-rocket games because they were the cheapest class to play against - extra health, temporary speed increase & damage decrease, and rockets/grenade launcher. Completely different to the rest of the classes.
Also, I actually dug the weapon the infiltrator came with, it didn't start with enough ammo but was good for unloading into someone's back :)
Also, I actually dug the weapon the infiltrator came with, it didn't start with enough ammo but was good for unloading into someone's back :)
Engineer with LMG is extremely powerful. Engineers already dominate 4v4 competitive play, even though they were forced to use a shotgun. The LMG is the most powerful and effective gun in the game.
Medic needed a boost. Sniper using the old sab rifle is a cool touch...should make the class much more useful. Ofcourse you can still unlock the old sniper rifle.
I like the old spawn system better for competitive play, but I understand that this way is better for casuals.
Its really weird how people who played the game for a short time have such a lopsided view of what is unbalanced. Its like completely opposite. In competitive play, the shotgun is the weakest weapon... the sab weapons are strong... the LMG is the strongest weapon, which is why the Eng will be the most powerful class in the game (and he already was in KZ2.) Even with the boost, Medic will still be underpowered...but hopefully it will be strong enough to warrant using against good players.
Medic needed a boost. Sniper using the old sab rifle is a cool touch...should make the class much more useful. Ofcourse you can still unlock the old sniper rifle.
I like the old spawn system better for competitive play, but I understand that this way is better for casuals.
Its really weird how people who played the game for a short time have such a lopsided view of what is unbalanced. Its like completely opposite. In competitive play, the shotgun is the weakest weapon... the sab weapons are strong... the LMG is the strongest weapon, which is why the Eng will be the most powerful class in the game (and he already was in KZ2.) Even with the boost, Medic will still be underpowered...but hopefully it will be strong enough to warrant using against good players.
Rockets are still in... We have seen them be used as a secondary weapon (only had one bullet.) Smart players will use them to destroy bots and thats it.
All classes are getting access to more weapons... So the sab can still get his original sab weapons. The scout can still get its original sniper rifle, but also has access to the awesome sab rifle, which increases his usefulness 10 fold. I'm sure that what Jim thought was the scopeless sniper rifle.
In terms of class balance, the tactician got significantly weaker, the engineer got MUCH stronger, the medic got stronger, the sab seems the same, the sniper got MUCH stronger. Unfortunately in Clan 4v4, it will probably still be 1 tactician 3 engineers..... unless they make it where invisible snipers and disguised sabs don't get shot at by bots...in which case, the 1 tact 3 eng build could be beat by a 1 tact 3 sab/sniper build. I really hope they do this, so that we can have more variety. Killzone 2 was well balanced for 16v16, but it wasn't well balanced for 4v4 and that is what everyone played.
All classes are getting access to more weapons... So the sab can still get his original sab weapons. The scout can still get its original sniper rifle, but also has access to the awesome sab rifle, which increases his usefulness 10 fold. I'm sure that what Jim thought was the scopeless sniper rifle.
In terms of class balance, the tactician got significantly weaker, the engineer got MUCH stronger, the medic got stronger, the sab seems the same, the sniper got MUCH stronger. Unfortunately in Clan 4v4, it will probably still be 1 tactician 3 engineers..... unless they make it where invisible snipers and disguised sabs don't get shot at by bots...in which case, the 1 tact 3 eng build could be beat by a 1 tact 3 sab/sniper build. I really hope they do this, so that we can have more variety. Killzone 2 was well balanced for 16v16, but it wasn't well balanced for 4v4 and that is what everyone played.
The infiltrator shouldn't be toned down...I could tell from the multiplayer footage that the disguise is the same as in KZ2. The disguise only worked in the first week of KZ2 multiplayer, and then people learned to recognize it. There isn't even a moment of hesitation because we automatically recognize that skin as a disguised skin. I would actually support them giving a 100% identical disguise.... Or they could make him invisible on the radar. That way, the disguise could still fool inexperienced players, while the radar invisibility would be able to fool the experienced ones. Plus, enemy bots should not fire at him when he is disguised. That would make him strong enough to use in clan matches. As it is right now, he only gets used because some people prefer his guns.
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