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Yeah, sure, I'l do it. I'd like to see more games work in the whole gay thing tastefully and not overdo it...I think Fable 2 did a fine job at this. If you could form a gay relationship in Mass Efffect 2 or Dragon Age: Origins that'd be great, and yes, this is something I'd like to be able to do since I'm a gay man...and if you're straight and don't want to, then don't do it! No one is forcing you to.
Yes and yes. I'll take it as soon as I get home. Not sure how work would feel about me doing it here.
Voluntary online surveys are only going to get results from people who want to take them, which, with a title like "gaymer survey" is probably going to mean a disproportionally large lgbt turnout.
Jesus, I'm so happy you're on Destructoid. Sometimes, your comments are priceless because of your SN!
'gay gamer', 'girl gamer', 'christian gamer'
People need to stop labelling every hobby they do with their religion and sexuality for no apparent reason.
People need to stop labelling every hobby they do with their religion and sexuality for no apparent reason.
I absolutely love that things like this are coming out more often. Its good to know that people actually give a shit sometimes.
Exactly. Can't we all just be "gamers"? Of course not, that's a stupid question. I'll just go make a "straight white gamer" survey and be labeled as a skin head. You want to be treated equal then quit acting like your special.
You can't really stop a person from labelling themselves by what they feel is important to their identity. Especially if that is a "deviation" from the expected norm. For example, we've heard of video games being vilified by church-based moral groups, so for a person proud of being Christian to also be a gamer they may feel they have to correct the misconception pre-emptively. But then we get into pre-empting opinions, and that's another way you could rub people the wrong way.
~~ "Exactly. Can't we all just be "gamers"? Of course not, that's a stupid question. I'll just go make a "straight white gamer" survey and be labeled as a skin head. You want to be treated equal then quit acting like your special."
...and in the next Destructoid post, tits.
"Does anyone know any games that actively write a gay/bi character into the story (besides GTA)?"
MGS3's main villian, Volgin.
...and in the next Destructoid post, tits.
"Does anyone know any games that actively write a gay/bi character into the story (besides GTA)?"
MGS3's main villian, Volgin.
This is going to be heavily biased by virtue of the title and voluntary nature, but to tell you the truth, I don't think it's such a bad thing to have it come out that "studies have shown that despite the homophobic stereotypes, gamers are more often than not socially progressive thinkers."
I took it, some of the questions were different than I expected. Interesting.
I took it, some of the questions were different than I expected. Interesting.
They should do a survey on straight conservative Christian gamers who don't give a rats ass about homosexuality in games...we seem to be the minority these days
I think it's Funny how the indestrie stays on the male 20-30 white character. Hay I'm not white! Can I play as I don't know male Indian badass? And not some freakin stereotype with the stupid ass accent. It's makes me feel stupid. And how about a Latin character
That doesn't do crimes? And mabye doesn't know Spanish? For once?
That doesn't do crimes? And mabye doesn't know Spanish? For once?
This isn't about labels. They're trying to figure out if they can "sell" gay content to the gaming community. I'm all for it. I really appreciate it when developers take such bold, positive risks with their content, and I'd like to see it more often. You know, something to stand up against all that pure, macho testosterone in things like Gears of War. I loved the content in Fable II, and because of such, I've always had a great opinion towards Lionhead.
i'm gay
i'll admit that
this survey just shows that people don't accept homosexuality as normal, and that they have to a) consider the "demographic" when scripting storylines, and b) do a risk analysis on homosexual content
just write the goddamn stories, and play the goddamn games
why is it a big deal?
i'll admit that
this survey just shows that people don't accept homosexuality as normal, and that they have to a) consider the "demographic" when scripting storylines, and b) do a risk analysis on homosexual content
just write the goddamn stories, and play the goddamn games
why is it a big deal?
Just took the survey. Honestly, I care little for sexual content in games since most of the time it's just to hype the game up. Anyway, the survey was interesting.
this shouldn't be an issue, thats true. But it is an issue and we do have inequality in the world.
@ Eficent "You want to be treated equal then quit acting like your special."
Sure sure, that works. Because if african-american people just stopped worrying about it, we would totally have equal rights today. If women just said "you know, we'll just shut up about being equal and it will all turn out right" then the male chauvinistic attitudes would have adjusted on their own and women would have miraculously been given the right to vote, own land, and do anything they like equally.
No. No socio-economic group has ever been able to raise themselves to a level of equality without raising a "fuss." You need to speak up and raise awareness. People need to know that, even though things might seem different, we are all fundamentally the same and all deserve the same treatment and rights and representation in all forms of government, entertainment, and life in general.
/grandstand off
@ Eficent "You want to be treated equal then quit acting like your special."
Sure sure, that works. Because if african-american people just stopped worrying about it, we would totally have equal rights today. If women just said "you know, we'll just shut up about being equal and it will all turn out right" then the male chauvinistic attitudes would have adjusted on their own and women would have miraculously been given the right to vote, own land, and do anything they like equally.
No. No socio-economic group has ever been able to raise themselves to a level of equality without raising a "fuss." You need to speak up and raise awareness. People need to know that, even though things might seem different, we are all fundamentally the same and all deserve the same treatment and rights and representation in all forms of government, entertainment, and life in general.
/grandstand off
@Hopeless Savage
I took the survey (bisexual over here) and it looked that was the turnout they were looking for. There were options like "A gay main character would a reason why I would NOT buy a game," but I think it was just there to be fair because the questions asked seemed to address LGBT concerns an narrow down the LGBT audience.
As far as labels go they're just labels. It's not hurting you. If people want to show their pride as Chrisitans or gays who play video games then so be it. In fact more power to them. They clearly have the intention of spreading video games around in their respective communities.
I took the survey (bisexual over here) and it looked that was the turnout they were looking for. There were options like "A gay main character would a reason why I would NOT buy a game," but I think it was just there to be fair because the questions asked seemed to address LGBT concerns an narrow down the LGBT audience.
As far as labels go they're just labels. It's not hurting you. If people want to show their pride as Chrisitans or gays who play video games then so be it. In fact more power to them. They clearly have the intention of spreading video games around in their respective communities.
Interesting survey.
And this is hardly about labels, this is about equality. As silly as it may seem to people wanting homosexuality equality in games, it's completely justifiable. Because it simply comes down to 'why not?' Why shouldn't there be more gay characters in games?
People might not like to think it, but homosexuality is pretty normal and should be treated as such but it isn't, which is why things like this are a big deal. If you really want to question why this is a big deal, complain about the people who make homosexuality out to be a big deal when it doesn't effect anyone in any negative way unless that person is homophobic.
And this is hardly about labels, this is about equality. As silly as it may seem to people wanting homosexuality equality in games, it's completely justifiable. Because it simply comes down to 'why not?' Why shouldn't there be more gay characters in games?
People might not like to think it, but homosexuality is pretty normal and should be treated as such but it isn't, which is why things like this are a big deal. If you really want to question why this is a big deal, complain about the people who make homosexuality out to be a big deal when it doesn't effect anyone in any negative way unless that person is homophobic.
Seperate drinking fountains just means shorter lines for everybody.
(survey taken, thanks for heads up)
(survey taken, thanks for heads up)
I really want to see a GTA game where the main character is gay. They've already pissed off the religious conservative right with the violence and immoral behavior depicted in the game; the only way to piss them off even more would be to depict homosexuality in a favorable light.
And yeah, I think Fable 2 did it right. Mass Effect came close, but didn't include male homosexuality. Don't get me wrong, I love a good lesbian love scene like any other heterosexual male, but to only have lesbian content and not male homosexuality seems really stupid.
And yeah, I think Fable 2 did it right. Mass Effect came close, but didn't include male homosexuality. Don't get me wrong, I love a good lesbian love scene like any other heterosexual male, but to only have lesbian content and not male homosexuality seems really stupid.
I guess it's helpful to find out what is accepted in the gaming community and if games incorporating more gay storylines is commercially viable, but a survey like this will likely only be taken mostly by the more accepting gamers so the results are really not representative of the community as a whole. And while seeing a developer add meaningful and realistic gay content to a game may make me respect them as people it's certainly not going to effect my purchase decisions, that's up to if the gameplay looks fun.
I'm surprised, the survey actually had some fairly deep questions. I'll be looking forward to the findings. Of course, I'd expect something like this to get a lot of voluntary response bias and social desirability bias, but hopefully they'll wind up with a fairly accurate sample. We need a survey site that people sign up for that selects a stratified random sample out of all the members every time a new survey gets put up. Obviously you'd have to limit it to academic surveys or something, otherwise you're liable to get labeled as a spam hub.
I took it too. It was interesting, I guess.
@ Bobothechimp - I'm a straight, Christian gamer that doesn't give a shit about sexuality in games. Bam.
@ Bobothechimp - I'm a straight, Christian gamer that doesn't give a shit about sexuality in games. Bam.
@Xzyliac
Yeah, I posted that comment before actually looking at the survey. I wasn't going to take it, because I didn't want to contribute to what I assumed would be an unintentional imbalance (I'm not only gay, but a complete queer theory nerd), but now that I've seen it, it seems like it might have been a pink dollar thing more than an exposure thing.
Yeah, I posted that comment before actually looking at the survey. I wasn't going to take it, because I didn't want to contribute to what I assumed would be an unintentional imbalance (I'm not only gay, but a complete queer theory nerd), but now that I've seen it, it seems like it might have been a pink dollar thing more than an exposure thing.
I have no problem with homosexual content in games, but to be honest I pretty much want it to all stay optional, I wouldn't buy a linear RPG where the main character is a gay guy. Not because I ZOMG H8 TEH GHEYS, but because it would just bother me, I would have no connection with him what so ever.
@20 Sided Death - Thank you, that really needed to be said. Gay gamers, and gay rights activists in general, will shut up when we receive equal treatment/representation/whatever. We don't have that right now, so we're going to continue to be loud and annoying. We don't want to be treated like we're special, we want to be treated like we're equal.
Anyway, I took the survey, and I thought it was interesting. Can't wait to see the results whenever they come out.
Anyway, I took the survey, and I thought it was interesting. Can't wait to see the results whenever they come out.
Wait, fuck! I didn't check to see if there was a prize or not. Idiot. I just wasted 10 minutes. Well, that's what I get for not reading carefully I guess.
@kefkaesque: Well, then I guess your options are already pretty limited. Bam!
@kefkaesque: Well, then I guess your options are already pretty limited. Bam!
@kefkaesque
I think you'd be surprised what you can connect with. We're just people.
>1% of games out there having a gay option, yet we still found a way to connect with straight protagonists. We must have, because, I mean, here we are, bothering everybody about how sick we are of rescuing princesses, ad nauseam.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that it should be optional, but only because I know 1) how much it sucks to have to get used to not having an option that appeals to you, and 2) how pissed off straight people get when they get the same treatment as us.
I think you'd be surprised what you can connect with. We're just people.
>1% of games out there having a gay option, yet we still found a way to connect with straight protagonists. We must have, because, I mean, here we are, bothering everybody about how sick we are of rescuing princesses, ad nauseam.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I agree that it should be optional, but only because I know 1) how much it sucks to have to get used to not having an option that appeals to you, and 2) how pissed off straight people get when they get the same treatment as us.
@Hopeless Savage
I guess I worded what I said wrong, I have gay friends in real life so I know I can connect with them. It's just like, in a lot of movies/games the ending is the main couple kissing or something to that effect. And if I spent 40 hours playing an epic RPG and the ending was the two main guys kissing, it would be completely unsatisfying to me and more or less ruin the ending for me which is something really important to me in stories.
Am I being a biased dick for saying that? Yeah and I do feel bad for how homosexuals get treated in that effect, but I'm just telling you the truth about it, would it be better for me to lie and say that the game's story wouldn't be completely more satisfying to me if it were a guy and a girl together? I have no problem with gays and think that the way they're treated is unfairly, but I'm not lie and say that if there were 2 games that were exactly the same except that in one the protagonist was gay and in the other he was straight, that I wouldn't prefer the one with the straight guy.
I guess I worded what I said wrong, I have gay friends in real life so I know I can connect with them. It's just like, in a lot of movies/games the ending is the main couple kissing or something to that effect. And if I spent 40 hours playing an epic RPG and the ending was the two main guys kissing, it would be completely unsatisfying to me and more or less ruin the ending for me which is something really important to me in stories.
Am I being a biased dick for saying that? Yeah and I do feel bad for how homosexuals get treated in that effect, but I'm just telling you the truth about it, would it be better for me to lie and say that the game's story wouldn't be completely more satisfying to me if it were a guy and a girl together? I have no problem with gays and think that the way they're treated is unfairly, but I'm not lie and say that if there were 2 games that were exactly the same except that in one the protagonist was gay and in the other he was straight, that I wouldn't prefer the one with the straight guy.
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