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Pachter: Xbox 360 outsold PS3 by 2:1 in US photo

Industry analyst Michael "Stinkerbell" Pachter has made one of his fantastical predictions, claiming that the Xbox 360 outsold the PlayStation 3 by a ratio of 2:I in North America. He believes the upcoming sales figures for December will make him right. 

The love machine states that Wii sold 2.6 million units, down 33% from last year, that the PS3 sold 1.2 million, down 12%, and that the 360 sold 2.5 million, up 91%. It will be up to Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo whether or not we'll know how right Pachter is, as the NPD now leaves it up to platform holders to release sales data. 

The holiday period is, obviously, a huge battleground in the console wars, and with the release of Move and Kinect, people have been eager to see how well the systems performed. Sony has refused to release sales figures for Move, which leads one to reasonably assume it didn't do all that well, while Microsoft has boasted of 8 million Kinect sales in its first 60 days.

With that prior knowledge, Pachter might not be too far off the mark.

Pachter: 360 outsold PS3 over 2-1 in the US last month [VG247]








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Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:04
Bakewell
In before sexual chocolate blaming the sales figures on "idiot Americans" and "rounde yes"
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:05
Sexualchocolate
Ps3 out sold xbox 10-1 in Japan.

So?

Global figures or gtfo pachter.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:08
Sexualchocolate
Damn bakes that was quick bro!
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:10
Jim Sterling
Bakewell JUST posted in time.
AceFlibble's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:10
AceFlibble
I'm just surprised that he didn't "predict" that the Xbox 360 may have outsold the PS3, although the PS3 may also have out sold the Xbox, or they might have sold about the same amount. 'S what he usually does.

Seriously, can we just all stop talking about the guy? He's useless, spouts meaningless bollocks and has admitted as much himself. Thre's no need to pay attention to a single thing he says.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:10
amtalx
2:1 seems a little too unbalanced, however Sony's November sales numbers were outright embarrassing next to Nintendo and Microsoft's.

@Bakewell:
I certainly hope he doesn't. The 360 outsold the PS3 for both unit and software sales in the UK.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2011-01-04-total-uk-videogame-product-sales-drop-29-percent-in-two-years
M1chl's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:10
M1chl
Sexualchocolate: But I guess that Japan market isn't quite as large as American/EMEAA...so question is, does it really matter?
jawshoeuh's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:18
jawshoeuh
Owwwww, my heart! Damn you, Pachter... DAMNNN YOU.
Malik's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:19
Malik
Considering roughly 40% of the game developers are Japanese, and that there are hundreds of Japanese only released games each year. Yes, Japan matters very much.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:19
mix
In before Mix writes asking how many 360 sales were RROD and people buying their 3rd or 4th Xbox?

Dammit I beat myself again.
qlum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:21
qlum
the ps3 will get a comeback in sales now 3.55 is capable of playing pirated games
+like Sexualchocolate said the ps3 has always sold relatively bad in US
qlum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:21
qlum
the figures in europe are also more in favor of the ps3 than the american ones
qlum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:24
qlum
note I'm no ps3 fan I just prefer not to pay just to get the console online the ps3 also has more exclusives (not games I can also play on pc) and the fact that I can use my pc controller as a backup is also a plus.
Vallanthaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:26
Vallanthaz
@Mix

Haha. So true. I love the idea that if Microsoft hadn't released one of, if not 'the' faultiest piece of electronics in history, they probably wouldn't be ahead of the PS3 in sales. And despite all of those re-buys and the year head start the 360 had, the PS3 has still managed to close within 4-5 million in sales worldwide.

I guess irresponsibility can be profitable!
Mornelithe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:27
Mornelithe
American's haven't really been that smart in a few years, so I find it hardly surprising.

@Qlum - 3.55 is capable of playing homebrew applications and loading Linux, fail0verfl0w and George Hotz specifically stated the hack was not for pirated games, as that requires additional keys they haven't worked on yet.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:35
Bakewell
I am the new Pachter and here are my predictions for 2011.

Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo will continue to make lots of money. At certain times of the year one of those companies will earn more than the other 2.

Those without any moral compass, maturity or all 3 consoles will rage at my predictions and the figures I share.

I have been known to be wrong because I'm only human but the one thing I can be sure about us that the largest majority of the destructoid readership will act as though I have resurrected their childhood pets just so I could kill them again in a bloody, cruel and prolonged fashion.
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:38
amtalx
I like how console preference has now become a measure of intelligence. lulz.

@Vallanthaz: The 360s failure rate is still astronomical, and I'm inclined to believe accusations that MS's unit sales numbers are inflated by consumers replacing faulty hardware. However, that doesn't change that cross-platform titles consistently sell more copies on 360. So either the failure rate isn't as high as everyone claims, or the few 360 owners out there just like buying three copies of every game.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:43
Sexualchocolate
"I love the idea that if Microsoft hadn't released one of, if not 'the' faultiest piece of electronics in history, they probably wouldn't be ahead of the PS3 in sales."

Reward for failure - the real American Dream.

;) x
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:44
Nic128
PACHTER SAID THINGS.
Malik's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:48
Malik
@amtalx

Or that third party American publishers and developers sell more copies on the console that has more systems in America. Absolutely baffling concept I know.
teakayfortoowon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:48
teakayfortoowon
PS3 is greatly outselling the 360 in Japan, sure, but total sales in Japan are much smaller than the US anyway, leaving the 360 still significantly ahead combining the 2 regions. Are there official numbers for the EU? Statements about how Europe is a "Sony stronghold" don't count by the way. Without numbers you're blowing smoke.

Some Japanese developers are relevant, but not all, and certainly not most. It's the same with all developers. There a plenty of developers in Japan that are content to be completely confined to their country and have no interest in foreign markets. These developers are largely irrelevant. They can go on forever about how great the PS3 is for their garbage Gundam games or dating sims but there's little to it.
Dark Niwa's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:48
Dark Niwa
i dont think console sales matter to gamers anymore this late in the games. everyone has what they want already, and it holds little consequence to the game coming in 2011.
garethxxgod's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:48
garethxxgod
Bakewell's Pachter Prediction wins.
JohnGrisham's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:51
JohnGrisham
Justin Bieber effect. Target Audience: Reached.
Jesse7277's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:55
Jesse7277
Does this matter???
Kal Zakath's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:56
Kal Zakath
Wow so he took November's sales and made a safe bet that it would continue. That being said, during my various trips to best buy and gamestop shortly before and after the holidays I did not see a single. Person carrying a Wii or PS3 but I saw several 360s. I bet its closer to 3-1.
Xai Xo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 10:57
Xai Xo
Sexualchocolate must be so unhappy with his lonely PS3, he has to spend his time on here being a fanboy.


As with many of the previous posters, is this really a surprise? The PS3's main userbase is Japan and Eastern Europe. Plus, Kinect is far more appealing than Move to the motion control fad-fans, as Move is simply a wireless Wiimote.


More importantly, who cares?
Mornelithe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:05
Mornelithe
@ Xai Xo: SexualChocolate or not, I'm perfectly happy with my PS3, so is my friend Dylan, my friend Matt, their friends Zach and Robbie etc... etc... Fotunately, I make enough money and have the modicum intelligence required to build my own gaming rig. For me, I feel sorry for the kids who can't afford a real gaming machine.
PrinceHeir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:07
PrinceHeir
worldwide sales of GTFO
Mornelithe's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:09
Mornelithe
@ Xai Xo: Kinect is more appealing to impulse buyers who have no idea what they're getting into, which is Microsofts cashcow now that the core users been effectively given the finger (Being a PC user, I'm pretty familiar with this tactic).

Move simply has far more applications that it can be adapted to, as well as being more precise than the Wiimote.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:12
Dv8thwonder
Wii outsold 360 2:1 that I could believe but the truth is 360 has outsold the PS3 nearly 3:1.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:16
Sexualchocolate
@Xai Xo - Nah, my PS3 isn't lonely, it sits between my Xbox360S and my Gaming PC. Don't worry, she's as happy as a games console can be.

In fact I probably play the 360 more right now because that's where I've got Medal of Honor.

But the Macbook most of all, because you know, WoW.

I'm actually still awaiting a friend to accept my XBL request who recently (like a year ago) got a PS3, turns out he hasn't turned his 360 on for a long long time.

I have 10-15 IRL friends with PS3's, and they all love them. Except for Fernandez, his broke before Xmas and he bought it second hand off of someone, so yeah, bummer.

Don't get me wrong have a lot of friends with Xboxes too, well most of them have 2x Xboxes, a working one and a broken one. LOL.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:18
pokota
Kal Zakath: "during my various trips to best buy and gamestop shortly before and after the holidays I did not see a single. Person carrying a Wii or PS3 but I saw several 360s. I bet its closer to 3-1."

Well, there we have it, people! Scientific analysis confirms 3-1 sales. Seriously, why do people say stuff like this?

Worldwide, Sony and Microsoft were basically a wash with the PS3 and 360. Sony owned the first half of the year after their redesign, price drop, and a slew of exclusives, and Microsoft owned the second half with Kinect, a redesign, and Halo. Both were statistical spikes with easy to see causes, so there is no real reason to assume a definitive trend. 2011 looks to be Kinect and Gears of War versus a cluster of PS3 exclusives. We know Kinect has been able to move an amazing amount of hardware, but the first half of 2011 will show us if Kinect goes viral like the Wii did, or if it continues to sell software to the consumer after purchase. Kinect software attachment rate is the big variable going into the new year.
Michael Peacher's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:18
Michael Peacher
Anyone who appreciates great games should own both systems......

The PS3 is lined up for a great software year.....
Killzone 3, Infamous 2, Resistance 3 and Uncharted 3.....

Looks to be a good year for 3rd party games too.......

So I see no reason for those that own just a PS3 to be Disappointed
jessicarabbitszs's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:25
jessicarabbitszs
Jim aren't you being hypocritical by pointing out how Sony used "shipped" instead of "sold" numbers for Move, and how Microsoft are using "shipped" instead of "sold" numbers for Kinect (in reference to the 8 million they said supposedly sold)?
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:28
Nitex
I use to own a 360, but then I remembered I have a PC. Actually no the thing just died. All I really need is my PS3. I haven't missed my 360 at all. I find it to be a fairly boring system. Maybe if I liked Halo I would think less of the system?
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:29
Mr Andy Dixon
SALES FIGURES!!!
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:37
LittleBigD
Hey come on now SC you can't call American loyalty to the 360 stupidity. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you own 25+ games for the thing it would be crazy to sell them all to trade up to a PS3 no matter how much you might want to burn MS HQ to the ground for selling such crap. You'd never get your money back. It ends up being cheaper to just purchase a new litterbox.
Stigmeyer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:42
Stigmeyer
Bait. That's all this info is to us. I really wish this sort of info would only be released to the people who make financial decisions based upon these types of figures. All it does in our hands is incite fanboys. Fuck you, Internet, for delivering this evil.
Enzi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:43
Enzi
Yeah, worldwide sales or gtfo.

And move...yeah, well. Still no games.
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:45
Maniac
@ jessicarabbitszs

Microsoft doesn't use "shipped" when they release sales figures.
Gestault's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 11:51
Gestault
So no one who owns a Kinect enjoys it, only stupid people own Xbox, and PCs are the best, and only a poor, stupid person would choose to game on anything else. Got it.
Xi Fayt iX's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 12:05
Xi Fayt iX
@sexual No one cares about the damn japs anymore because they no longer have alot influence on Western games. and Ps3 might sell good over in japan but Xbox still has most consoles sold between the two. The sad reality is that And hurts to say it the WII has most consoles sold.

And Not a Fan boy i own both.
wormbox250's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 12:12
wormbox250
I'm not going to lie. Reading these comments makes me sick on just how pathetic they are. Oh well..
Kal Zakath's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 12:12
Kal Zakath
@pokota it wasn't that far off in november. M$ sold almost 2.5 times as many consoles as Sony. I am really not talking about a huge increase. As far as what I said about only seeing people with 360s it was just that... A statement as to what I saw.
the7k's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 13:00
the7k
I still don't understand this obsession with sales. The PS3 is behind... so what? It's not like they're going to stop making games for it.
jessicarabbitszs's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 13:04
jessicarabbitszs
@Maniac

Microsoft announced at CES that they had "sold" 8 million Kinects TO RETAILERS... = Shipped

Since Jim enjoys pointing out that Sony announced shipped numbers instead of sold, why can't he for Microsoft this time?
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 13:12
pokota
@Kal Zakath
I didn't really mean to pick on you, and that was probably harsher than I intended, but you do see a lot of people make statements based on coincidental data like that, and it's kind of a pet peeve. Stay online very long, and you will see hordes of people extrapolate world-wide sales from their last trip to the mall. I had no problem with the numbers you gave, only that one statement.

VGChartz has the PS3 at 14.4m and the 360 at 14.3m worldwide YTD, so I think it's fair to say both companies should be pleased. 2011 is very interesting to me, because it's basically going to come down to Microsoft's Kinect against a bunch of core-gamer exclusives on the PS3.
Arthur E Brandon Jr's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 13:12
Arthur E Brandon Jr
Im tired of people thinking japan matters on sales figures. They also watch massive amounts of hentai and underhandy killed the arcade. I have a PS3 and 360 and 90% of my gaming is on XBOX due to the online experience i have compared to PS3. Infamous was probably the only game ive felt i needed to buy on PS3 because of its originality. Killzone was lackluster compared to gears and resistance was just medal of honor with aliens. They just didnt appeal to me at all. LBP was a must own too. Sales dont say anything but it my stand point I say the online ability is way better on xbox.
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2011 13:16
SayWord
@the7k destructoid or jim posts these kind of articles so they get tons of comments between closed minded ignorant people. :)
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