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I think the whole industry suffers because everyone who creates hardware and software expect to sell Wii numbers. What was it... 5 million copies of Dead Space 3 needs to be sold in order for it to make any money???
Too early to say, but I'm certainly comfortable waiting to see how this pans out. I'd love to play Pikmin 3, and Zombie U could become something interesting, but even I can't justify putting up $300+ for a Pikmin 3 box. Nintendo needed to make it rain at E3 exciting first party content and instead they pissed on my foot with NSMBWu.
If it's $300 or less it's a day one purchase for me. If it's more I'll have to really evaluate the launch titles before buying. Either way I'll end up owning a Wii U eventually. Buying a new Nintendo console is just the premium you pay if you want to play new Nintendo games.
Keep in mind this is the same man who said Borderlands was sent to die. I don't really see the whole Activision thing, either. Nintendon't give a fuck about CoD, why would that change now?
Someone pays this guy for this?
Here let me try; I think Nintendo caved under pressure from Wayfoward games to not put a second analog on the 3DSXL, they didnt think it looked cool enough and threatened to withhold Adventure Time.
Cool, who should I tell where to send the check to?
Here let me try; I think Nintendo caved under pressure from Wayfoward games to not put a second analog on the 3DSXL, they didnt think it looked cool enough and threatened to withhold Adventure Time.
Cool, who should I tell where to send the check to?
What Nintendo needs to do is make sure that every game isn't a glorified tech demo. That's what pretty much every launch title of this generation was, and if Nintendo can actually deliver full, awesome games with the console, everything will be alright.
If I can transfer content to a WiiU I will buy one and replace my Wii. If not, I will consider buying one when the price drops. I am not excited about any game at all and that is odd as it is a Nintendo console and they have so many great IPs.
I think you're partially right in thinking that it hard to predict, but I also think that the scenario for this not catching fire and being a break out hit is more likely than not. We're in another economic downturn, and video games aren't really recession proof.
@ima420r
Like VC and WiiWare games? I'm pretty sure Nintendo said you could transfer them.
I'm pretty psyched for the Wii U. I have the feeling the pricing will be a lot cheaper than everyone's expectations.
Like VC and WiiWare games? I'm pretty sure Nintendo said you could transfer them.
I'm pretty psyched for the Wii U. I have the feeling the pricing will be a lot cheaper than everyone's expectations.
With the ever increasing PCification of consoles, the WiiU is the only one poised to offer a unique experience that isn't as easily replicated on the PC.
Words.
Words.
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that [for] big games like Call Of Duty they said, 'No, we're not putting it on there if you don't give us a conventional controller'. So they gave in."
So giving popular devs what they want is seen as some kind of shameful move now? Would Nintendo come off as somehow more honourable if they turned down the oppurtunity to have one of the best selling titles in gaming on their new system? I don't really get this logic. And not sure if it's true either. Pachter has a nasty habit of making shit up. And things devs tell him confidentially he reveals, including one mans personal, private fear for his job, which obviously makes you think, where is this unstoppable moron getting his information from.
I doubt Activision would be that stubborn either, it's not like Call of Duty needs a standard controller. They were pretty eager to put Call of Duty on both Wii and DS with non-standard controls when those two systems sold past expectations.
So giving popular devs what they want is seen as some kind of shameful move now? Would Nintendo come off as somehow more honourable if they turned down the oppurtunity to have one of the best selling titles in gaming on their new system? I don't really get this logic. And not sure if it's true either. Pachter has a nasty habit of making shit up. And things devs tell him confidentially he reveals, including one mans personal, private fear for his job, which obviously makes you think, where is this unstoppable moron getting his information from.
I doubt Activision would be that stubborn either, it's not like Call of Duty needs a standard controller. They were pretty eager to put Call of Duty on both Wii and DS with non-standard controls when those two systems sold past expectations.
Thing is, the WiiU controller itself isnt a novelty. Its a traditional controller, 2nd OR primary display, and TV remote control interface all seamlessly rolled into one.
Its actually a brilliant and functional premise and this is coming from someone who genuinely hated the Wii and Nintendo in general for the past 6 years
Its actually a brilliant and functional premise and this is coming from someone who genuinely hated the Wii and Nintendo in general for the past 6 years
"Hardcore gamers will buy them; hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy it."
Yea, not gonna work. *obvious sarcasm*
Yea, not gonna work. *obvious sarcasm*
Is there really a question about what this system is going to be?
Since the N64, every non-handheld console has been the same thing: a relatively large number of first party/exclusive titles that range from solid to great, with virtually no 3rd party support. You can probably count, on 2 hands, non-exclusive games worth playing on a Nintendo console since the N64's release.
If the hardware works for an audience (the N64 was the most powerful system at the time and appealed to a crowd that way, even with the horrible controller, and the Wii, with the casual crowd digging the motion controls, while the GC had.....basically nothing going for it and was a relative flop).
The problem is going to be, the casual audience isn't going to dig the Wii U controller as much (since it's not going to be as elegantly simple to use as the Wii controller) and the hardcore crowd is already a bit gunshy after the Wii (and the looming question of how powerful the system actually is), so that really leaves you with the Nintendo fanboys and completionists. That doesn't add up to a ton of people.
Since the N64, every non-handheld console has been the same thing: a relatively large number of first party/exclusive titles that range from solid to great, with virtually no 3rd party support. You can probably count, on 2 hands, non-exclusive games worth playing on a Nintendo console since the N64's release.
If the hardware works for an audience (the N64 was the most powerful system at the time and appealed to a crowd that way, even with the horrible controller, and the Wii, with the casual crowd digging the motion controls, while the GC had.....basically nothing going for it and was a relative flop).
The problem is going to be, the casual audience isn't going to dig the Wii U controller as much (since it's not going to be as elegantly simple to use as the Wii controller) and the hardcore crowd is already a bit gunshy after the Wii (and the looming question of how powerful the system actually is), so that really leaves you with the Nintendo fanboys and completionists. That doesn't add up to a ton of people.
So by "Industry analyst" you mean "fanboy". Seriously, "hardcore Nintendo fanboys will buy it. They could put out a piece of cardboard and say that it'll play Mario and they'll buy it" sounds like a troll on a forum.
The system is already dead to me since they said flat out they won't be adding a trophy or achievement system. Not that I ever care for Nintendo characters anyway. Sony ones are much more compelling.
@ElektroDragon
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/12/wii-u-achievements-not-mandatory-for-devs-friend-codes-to-chang/
They just said it isn't mandatory, doesn't mean it won't happen at some point. Makes sense really, as all some devs do on the Xbox is add "Complete this level" achievements, which give you fuck all sense of achievement.
Also, funny how Pachter says "Activision didn't speak to me, but I KNOW..."
Bullshit man. Pure bullshit.
http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/12/wii-u-achievements-not-mandatory-for-devs-friend-codes-to-chang/
They just said it isn't mandatory, doesn't mean it won't happen at some point. Makes sense really, as all some devs do on the Xbox is add "Complete this level" achievements, which give you fuck all sense of achievement.
Also, funny how Pachter says "Activision didn't speak to me, but I KNOW..."
Bullshit man. Pure bullshit.
This is the same guy who said that Dragon Age was going to outsell Borderlands and the 3DS $250 price tag was reasonable.
His argument was invalid a long time ago.
His argument was invalid a long time ago.
Not having an achievement system would be wonderful, I've never understood the draw of performing some random task a bunch of times instead of just actually playing the game.
It's all speculation....kinda douchey speculation at that.
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that [for] big games like Call Of Duty they said, 'No, we're not putting it on there if you don't give us a conventional controller'. So they gave in."
Douchey.
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that [for] big games like Call Of Duty they said, 'No, we're not putting it on there if you don't give us a conventional controller'. So they gave in."
Douchey.
Didn't pachter once say that that Sony can reduce the cost of the PS3 by removing the blu ray player?
I'm just confused as to why game anaylsts are given so much time in the spotlight.
As for the WiiU, so long as it delivers the flagship titles I don't think it should have much of an issue succeeding.
I'm just confused as to why game anaylsts are given so much time in the spotlight.
As for the WiiU, so long as it delivers the flagship titles I don't think it should have much of an issue succeeding.
Honestly, they need to just tell people about this thing. We really know almost nothing about it, there's no price or release date, no real hardware specs outside of the controller, we know nothing about additional features outside of gaming and social network and video streaming services.
The biggest thing I see is that Nintendo just hasn't shown a lot of support for this thing. Pikmin 3 is about the only thing they have in their favor, NSMBU is basically a cash in, and there's not even a vague hint of a real Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid, Kirby or Donkey Kong game for it yet. And the third party support is primarily ports of games that, by the time the Wii U launches, most people will have played or stopped caring about.
I want this thing to impress me, I'm an absolute sucker for shiny new consoles and I want to buy a Wii U, but so far my reasons to do so are almost non existent. Platinum's game looks interesting, and LEGO City looks good, and I'd certainly try Pikmin since I never got to play the originals, but really that's all I even remotely care about on the system so far. Everything else is a port of something I can play equally well on my 360 or PS3 without having to buy new hardware that I don't have space for.
The biggest thing I see is that Nintendo just hasn't shown a lot of support for this thing. Pikmin 3 is about the only thing they have in their favor, NSMBU is basically a cash in, and there's not even a vague hint of a real Zelda, Star Fox, Metroid, Kirby or Donkey Kong game for it yet. And the third party support is primarily ports of games that, by the time the Wii U launches, most people will have played or stopped caring about.
I want this thing to impress me, I'm an absolute sucker for shiny new consoles and I want to buy a Wii U, but so far my reasons to do so are almost non existent. Platinum's game looks interesting, and LEGO City looks good, and I'd certainly try Pikmin since I never got to play the originals, but really that's all I even remotely care about on the system so far. Everything else is a port of something I can play equally well on my 360 or PS3 without having to buy new hardware that I don't have space for.
I think he's right. He's not saying it won't succeed, he's just saying Nintendo expects it to be the success that the Wii is, when most likely it won't. Most likely in this day and age with mobile gaming, steaming services, a PC resurgence and other console competition, no system will sell as gang busters as the Wii did.
My personal opinion is that sometimes Nintendo tries to be unique too much. They push gimmicks that are short lived or don't work, and would rather be different than work (example, their on-line infrastructure).
My personal opinion is that sometimes Nintendo tries to be unique too much. They push gimmicks that are short lived or don't work, and would rather be different than work (example, their on-line infrastructure).
I'm looking forward to WiiU simply for the reason that I can sit down on the couch and watch some TV/Netflix while playing full console games on the controller. THAT for me is worth the entry price of a new console. and as long as EVERY game can be streamed to the controller, I'l be happy.
I'll buy a Nintendo Cardboard Entertainment System....
It's the system of choice for paper mario games!
It's the system of choice for paper mario games!
The formula of Nintendo's first party titles plus gimmicky, goofy hardware worked for this generation, so why not the next?
I've never been a huge fan of Nintendo's titles (there are only so many Mario games I can play), so I don't really care about what happens to the WiiU.
I've never been a huge fan of Nintendo's titles (there are only so many Mario games I can play), so I don't really care about what happens to the WiiU.
Such a broken record, this Pachter. Get some new material, man! Talk about the OUYA or something.
Nice image, btw. I dug that cartoon; such a stupid decision to cancel it. So, is Pachter Spider-Man and Nintendo is Mysterio? Or vice-versa? Or are gamers Spider-Man and Nintendo is Mysterio? Or Nintendo is Spider-Man and Activision is Mysterio? Or are Nintendo fanboys Mysterio and the piece of cardboard is Spider-Man? Or is Jules the shepherd, and Ringo's the righteous man? Or is Spider-Man the average gamer, Mysterio is the Wii U, Pachter is J. Jonah Jameson, the Sinister Six are Nintendo, those flying saucers in the background are the Wii U's games, Mysterio's head is the 3DS, and Mysterio's highly-vulnerable balls are Mario and Luigi?
Nice image, btw. I dug that cartoon; such a stupid decision to cancel it. So, is Pachter Spider-Man and Nintendo is Mysterio? Or vice-versa? Or are gamers Spider-Man and Nintendo is Mysterio? Or Nintendo is Spider-Man and Activision is Mysterio? Or are Nintendo fanboys Mysterio and the piece of cardboard is Spider-Man? Or is Jules the shepherd, and Ringo's the righteous man? Or is Spider-Man the average gamer, Mysterio is the Wii U, Pachter is J. Jonah Jameson, the Sinister Six are Nintendo, those flying saucers in the background are the Wii U's games, Mysterio's head is the 3DS, and Mysterio's highly-vulnerable balls are Mario and Luigi?
pachter has been wrong about everything, he didnt think the ds would work, and essentially the wii u controller is a ds like thing, and it will be supported......
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that "
So your making things up like you always do
I guarentee that the COD on wii u, there will be at least ONE wii u pad specific feature, even if its just maps or menus, that proves him wrong
the wii u gamepad is a normal controller if pachter didnt get the memo.........
Did activision demand something special so they didnt have to put a map on the ds second screen? or the wii?
no
Pachter doesnt even know who yoshi is, thats how much he knows about nintendo.
He said the exact same thing about the ds
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that "
So your making things up like you always do
I guarentee that the COD on wii u, there will be at least ONE wii u pad specific feature, even if its just maps or menus, that proves him wrong
the wii u gamepad is a normal controller if pachter didnt get the memo.........
Did activision demand something special so they didnt have to put a map on the ds second screen? or the wii?
no
Pachter doesnt even know who yoshi is, thats how much he knows about nintendo.
He said the exact same thing about the ds
ps mario U is a 25+ million seller and 99 percent of initial owners will buy it with the system........
again, he doesnt play nintendo games, he doesnt know the characters, he doesnt no the company
again, he doesnt play nintendo games, he doesnt know the characters, he doesnt no the company
I reckon Nintendo will always be in the console business, whether it's in first or last place. Pokemon, Mario and the rest of the gang make way too much money for Nintendo to start considering doing what Sega did. However, every time I think of it, I'm always disappointed by that. The idea of Nintendo focusing on games, and using the most recent technology for a change, is enough to make me wish Nintendo stopped being so proud.
@owenov
There hardware is always first or second in sales/profit worldwide at some point, so they have no reason to give it up.
There hardware is always first or second in sales/profit worldwide at some point, so they have no reason to give it up.
Even if that Activision comment is true (and I'm sure he's just making shit up), wouldn't it be, I don't know, GOOD that Nintendo listened? They said the Wii U Pro Controller was made basically specifically FOR multiplatform games. That's kind of a lot of dedication if you ask me.
@Stealth I wouldn't deny it. I just wish to play Super Mario Galaxy in HD on PS3. Oh, the joy that would bring to my heart.....
This! A thousand times over, this!: "I think that essentially this is a solution in search of a problem. I mean, somebody had an idea - 'let's make the controller a tablet' - and there aren't many games that are going to take advantage of that."
It's also true of Move, Kinect and 3D. No one asked for these things. Necessity stopped being the "mother of invention" in this industry (and others) long, long ago. Now, marketers are driving "innovation".
There is a reason the Atari Joystick became an NES controller, became a dual analog controller... etc, etc, etc.
Tablet controller? That's just hardware design based on fad and a perception (however true) of where tech dollars are being spent by consumers.
It's infuriating to stand by and watch.
It's also true of Move, Kinect and 3D. No one asked for these things. Necessity stopped being the "mother of invention" in this industry (and others) long, long ago. Now, marketers are driving "innovation".
There is a reason the Atari Joystick became an NES controller, became a dual analog controller... etc, etc, etc.
Tablet controller? That's just hardware design based on fad and a perception (however true) of where tech dollars are being spent by consumers.
It's infuriating to stand by and watch.
The funny thing is not only (as others have pointed out ) that he was wrong about pretty much anything ( Wii won´t work, as will DS, 3DS 250 prictag is reasonable etc.), he even contradicts himself: In one of Gametrailers horrible shows he said that the 3Ds is dead and that Wii U will do fine, now the 3Ds has solid sales numbers (remember the original Ds which cought fire in 2006 with the launch of the lite model ?) and Wii U is subject to doom predictions. This guy is just a jerk, who was wrong about anything !!!
And I will get my brandnew Wii U in black for Christmas SUCK IT PACHTER !
And I will get my brandnew Wii U in black for Christmas SUCK IT PACHTER !
"Activision never said anything to me, but I know that" that pretty much sums up this asstool - he don't know shit and yet people will still treat him as an expert. please don't post any more news involving this hack, you're just feeding this troll.
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