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I dunno, that's like saying the SNES wasn't next gen because PCs and more advanced games. There's more gens than just graphics and power.
I'm not surprised by the WiiU, Nintendo. But I am disappointed. Back to market with a 5 year too late port box, where even the ports may dry up once the successors to the PS3 and 360 arrive? That sounds like a winner. I will probably still buy one eventually though, after the first price cut and after the 1st party library takes shape.
Pretty much what Garreth said. Plus, it is confirmed that PS Vita can be used as a controller for PS3 and can stream video i.e. it can do the same stuff the Wii U pad does. So, yeah.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Am I actually agreeing with this guy?
Shit, something's wrong.
But he forgets one important factor: Nintendo first party games. Mario, Zelda, etc. The damn thing could suck eggs (and hard), but if it has those, well, it might just sell okay, then.
Shit, something's wrong.
But he forgets one important factor: Nintendo first party games. Mario, Zelda, etc. The damn thing could suck eggs (and hard), but if it has those, well, it might just sell okay, then.
I'm sorry, WHY do we listen to this idiot again? Has he been right about ANYTHING so far?
"Bully won't sell!" to "I was wrong about Bully."
"Borderlands won't sell!" -> "I was wrong about Borderlands."
"Red Dead Redemption won't sell!" -> "I was wrong about RDR."
"Nobody will buy the Kinect!" -> "I was wrong about Kinect."
2010 brought us "The Wii is Dead!"... yet it's still going into 2011, possibly 2012 (at least in Europe)
"Bully won't sell!" to "I was wrong about Bully."
"Borderlands won't sell!" -> "I was wrong about Borderlands."
"Red Dead Redemption won't sell!" -> "I was wrong about RDR."
"Nobody will buy the Kinect!" -> "I was wrong about Kinect."
2010 brought us "The Wii is Dead!"... yet it's still going into 2011, possibly 2012 (at least in Europe)
It's not that I take any offense by his statement, but if it's not a next generation console, which generation of consoles does it fall into?
He may be right I wish Nintendo put a lot of graphical power in it to atleast stand up against the PS3 and 360 successors.
I'm still interested because it's Nintendo's first HD console, the Wii I never played because it was pretty weak to me. I hope Nintendo spills more information about it soon.
I'm still interested because it's Nintendo's first HD console, the Wii I never played because it was pretty weak to me. I hope Nintendo spills more information about it soon.
@zeppman-Which is cool, I like the idea of the Vita as a controller too. Also cell phones by next month, win7 phones, will be a controller for your xbox/cable. So every console will have this type of feature to a degree. Nintendo needed to do something console wise to keep on top. I find it funny Pachter puts this out as it is common sense. Of course the WiiU will only succeed if it has great first party and third party support, especially at launch, and DUH price must be competitive. I am always amazed this guy even gets his comments/predictions" printed.
I believe there are three factors which garantee that this will be a commercial success:
-It will have a Zelda game.
-It will have a Super Smash Bros. game.
-Nintendo is a lot like Apple, in that large numbers of people will buy their products no matter what.
-It will have a Zelda game.
-It will have a Super Smash Bros. game.
-Nintendo is a lot like Apple, in that large numbers of people will buy their products no matter what.
Yeah, this is nothing but expressing the obvious.
If the Wii U just has ports and its third-party games are virtually the same as what you'll get on the PS3 and 360, then it will have tepid sales.
If the Wii U has mind-blowing first-party titles and the third-party titles are optimized to take advantage of the bump in technology, then it will have strong sales.
He's basically doing nothing but throwing if-statements out there that we already knew about.
If the Wii U just has ports and its third-party games are virtually the same as what you'll get on the PS3 and 360, then it will have tepid sales.
If the Wii U has mind-blowing first-party titles and the third-party titles are optimized to take advantage of the bump in technology, then it will have strong sales.
He's basically doing nothing but throwing if-statements out there that we already knew about.
It will probably be like the 3DS-- weak lineup, higher price than the systems that are already out with minimal upgrade, a main gimmick that isn't all that compelling, and features that we take for granted on current systems are strangely absent (in this case, it's a hard drive). Nintendo got too high on the fumes from the Wii and DS, and I'm pretty sure that they are heading for a slump now.
its a next generation console just like the dreamcast was part of the ps2 gamecube xbox generation and the wii was part of this generation.
the best part is when he says basically he doesnt have enough information about the launch (titles, priceing), so obviously it will fail. cause obviously lack of information is evidense of a failure.
but yeah probly at first new games are going to be ports of ps3 and xbox games but how long are those consoles going to last? we already have rumors of new consoles in 2012 and 2013. so we will have a year of current generation ports on a next generation console? IIRC the first year of 360 wasnt so horrible. there will be third party developers that want to make a game on the new system, depending on how good the hardware is.
but yeah probly at first new games are going to be ports of ps3 and xbox games but how long are those consoles going to last? we already have rumors of new consoles in 2012 and 2013. so we will have a year of current generation ports on a next generation console? IIRC the first year of 360 wasnt so horrible. there will be third party developers that want to make a game on the new system, depending on how good the hardware is.
Let's say the next Mario game get's released, along with the next CoD and it is priced at $350. I still would have my doubts about it's success.
I have 0 interest in the WiiU. And unless the next XBox box is way more amazing than PS4, then the PS4 will likely be the only console I'll be buying next gen.
Everything about the Wii-U screams "too little, too late". These last two generations have shown especially well that Nintendo cannot carry a console on their own. I don't mean in sales terms, I'm talking about actual quality games to play week-in, week-out. One game a season, if we're lucky, is not enough. Even being a "port box", that doesn't necessarily mean devs will make games for it. Just look at the GameCube for proof.
Honestly, what has generated the most distrust for Nintendo from me in the home console market is how the Wii has virtually been abandoned. I don't like to see that. It does not inspire confidence for the future.
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I respect some of his worries regarding the console's library, but the term "next generation" does not take into regard it's performance and qualities. It takes into regard the fact that it's the next freakin' generation of consoles.
I sincerely hope this man is right. Nintendo needs to fall, it's just been too long. Other than the occasional Zelda or Mario rehash, they haven't made anything worth playing in years (and I am including the Wii in that)
Typically I roll my eyes at anything Pachter says but I have to agree here. Even if Nintendo put the system out for $400, which would be very unlike
Nintendo, a large portion of that price is going towards the controller. There's just no possible way the WiiU is going to match up in specs to whatever MS and Sony put out next.
That said, Nintendo is well aware of that. They're going to live or die based on how they differentiate themselves, not by making the most powerful console. That's how it should be.
@humtuk In no way does he even suggest it will fail. He says that he can't make a prediction one way or the other because he has nothing to base a prediction on.
Nintendo, a large portion of that price is going towards the controller. There's just no possible way the WiiU is going to match up in specs to whatever MS and Sony put out next.
That said, Nintendo is well aware of that. They're going to live or die based on how they differentiate themselves, not by making the most powerful console. That's how it should be.
@humtuk In no way does he even suggest it will fail. He says that he can't make a prediction one way or the other because he has nothing to base a prediction on.
Sadly...for once, I agree with this guy. The Wii U doesn't seem to be offering anything more than we already have, so far. A gimmicky device will not be enough to sell their console this time around.
This'll especially hold true if it's line up is as non-existent as the 3DS :/ Seriously, where the hell do they get off dropping the ball like that?
This'll especially hold true if it's line up is as non-existent as the 3DS :/ Seriously, where the hell do they get off dropping the ball like that?
The Wii U just seems to me a "what should have been in the first place"
Granted it would have been more expensive, and probably less popular (compared to the Wii) I guarantee you that Nintendo would have maintained a larger loyal "hardcore" fanbase, and if anything, they could have made it fairly cheap originally for all we know.
As said, it just seems like a platform to push ports too for some extra potential cash from 3rd parties. I can't see the Wii U having anything more than some HD marios and zeldas as far as first party goes, and by the time we even begin to see those I can bet you that the new MS/Sony consoles will be out/in development and will be way ahead of the Wii U to the point where it will once again be the gimmick machine.
Granted it would have been more expensive, and probably less popular (compared to the Wii) I guarantee you that Nintendo would have maintained a larger loyal "hardcore" fanbase, and if anything, they could have made it fairly cheap originally for all we know.
As said, it just seems like a platform to push ports too for some extra potential cash from 3rd parties. I can't see the Wii U having anything more than some HD marios and zeldas as far as first party goes, and by the time we even begin to see those I can bet you that the new MS/Sony consoles will be out/in development and will be way ahead of the Wii U to the point where it will once again be the gimmick machine.
Many of the announced games are ports. If developers are going through the trouble of adding in second-screen support for the U, then they could result port that for the Vita. Furthermore, I hate the wiimote, and since this will still rely on wiimotes and an unusually shaped tablet, I will probably just wait to buy the black version... used... and hope that it's been hacked by then to at least play movies.
I really don't care how powerful a console is. It's a big factor to take into account, but it's not the most important. If it doesn't have good games to back it up, you might as well use it as a paperweight.
Michael Pachter says something! My God! Alert the presses!
Seriously, I only give enough shit to make this comment explaining how I really don't give a shit about what he says. And now I couldn't give a shit less because I'm all out.
Seriously, I only give enough shit to make this comment explaining how I really don't give a shit about what he says. And now I couldn't give a shit less because I'm all out.
Dale is seriously stepping on toes with this article. I can hear Sterling pounding on Niero's door right now crying about how Dale is stealing his shtick.
I think you'll need to read up on technical specs and their individual part pricing to have an incline as to how much they'll spend/make per console. Pre-emptive speculation with no solid information is utterly worthless...may as well just start reviewing games without having played them.
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