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Nintendo is now the name for the cheapest home entertainment system available, no longer a high quality one. I think that is a shame for them.
Back to playing cards then!
Back to playing cards then!
we still dont know what hardware the wiiu is backing and from what I heard developing for the controller is piss easy so a lot is still possible
Nintendo hasn't had 3rd party support for the N64, GameCube or Wii yet still sell boatloads. Not that I'm ever happy about the multi-month release droughts.....
The Wii and 3DS proved that the incentive to buy Nintendo systems is no longer third party support, but the unique hardware (Wii's motion controls, 3DS's 3D, DS's dual screen, WiiU's tablet controller) and the worthwhile exclusives that unique hardware brings... not to mention first-party games. After all, how many great Wii games were multiplatform...? Exactly. The Wii may not have had the most variety in its library compared to 360 and PS3, but it has a lot of quirky games that you can't experience anywhere else. That's why the Wii is a great supplementary system.
I don't see how a controller with a touchscreen complicates things for developers unless they're complete morons. PDAs dabbled in it, DS proved it, Apple ran with it and now its in everything.
Its an unlimited user interface, if developers can't grasp how liberating that is, that's their major malfunction.
Nintendo has made it pretty clear with DS, Wii and Wii U - they don't want straight half-assed ports. They want fully-realized games for their hardware, not the mass market cut-and-paste effort developers seem to want.
Its an unlimited user interface, if developers can't grasp how liberating that is, that's their major malfunction.
Nintendo has made it pretty clear with DS, Wii and Wii U - they don't want straight half-assed ports. They want fully-realized games for their hardware, not the mass market cut-and-paste effort developers seem to want.
I think hes right about one thing, Nintendo really needs to improve their online download space. They need to just go all out with it instead of these baby steps improvements they see with newer platforms (3DS downloading is alot better than the Wii and DS but still kinda effed)
For your reading pleasure, I've spent the last 10 minutes compiling 2011's Patcher Petnames, al la Jim Sterling.
Michael "Drippy Dinkus" Patcher
Michael "Don't Put It In There" Patcher
Michael "Slippery Bullet" Patcher
Michael "They Were Slaughtered In The Thousands" Patcher
Michael "Was Angry At Jim For A Bit" Patcher
Michael "Drippy Sausage" Patcher
Michael "Balls of Oatmeal " Patcher
Michael "Power Bottoms" Patcher
Michael "Dreamy Torso" Patcher
Michael "Toilet Ghost" Patcher
Michael "Pulsing Veins" Patcher
Michael "Slit Testes" Patcher
Michael "Liquid Silk" Patcher
Michael "Spider Pants" Patcher
Michael "Stinkerbell" Patcher
Welcome to the new year, Patch!
Michael "Drippy Dinkus" Patcher
Michael "Don't Put It In There" Patcher
Michael "Slippery Bullet" Patcher
Michael "They Were Slaughtered In The Thousands" Patcher
Michael "Was Angry At Jim For A Bit" Patcher
Michael "Drippy Sausage" Patcher
Michael "Balls of Oatmeal " Patcher
Michael "Power Bottoms" Patcher
Michael "Dreamy Torso" Patcher
Michael "Toilet Ghost" Patcher
Michael "Pulsing Veins" Patcher
Michael "Slit Testes" Patcher
Michael "Liquid Silk" Patcher
Michael "Spider Pants" Patcher
Michael "Stinkerbell" Patcher
Welcome to the new year, Patch!
Hmm, that's a bold statement. I mean it'd be a different story if there wasn't such a strong library on the game cube, the wii... Oh that's right they haven't had 3rd party support for a fucking while now. Thanks captain obvious.
They've had 1st party software keeping they're systems alive awhile now amid the deluge of shovel ware crap. I think people's have learned the lesson, Nintendo isn't about games, it's about gimmicks.
Here's an idea, Nintendo, stop being in the business of selling gimmicks. Actually sell fucking game machines. Stop bullshiting around with control inputs and give me something I want to play.
Oh, and if you could come out with a nice powerful game boy, which they said DS wasn't supposed to replace, I'd appreciate it cause I'm tired of having to deal with the half hearted bullshit most developers, including Nintendo themselves, toss on the stupid fucking second screen simply because it's there and they have to have something on it.
They've had 1st party software keeping they're systems alive awhile now amid the deluge of shovel ware crap. I think people's have learned the lesson, Nintendo isn't about games, it's about gimmicks.
Here's an idea, Nintendo, stop being in the business of selling gimmicks. Actually sell fucking game machines. Stop bullshiting around with control inputs and give me something I want to play.
Oh, and if you could come out with a nice powerful game boy, which they said DS wasn't supposed to replace, I'd appreciate it cause I'm tired of having to deal with the half hearted bullshit most developers, including Nintendo themselves, toss on the stupid fucking second screen simply because it's there and they have to have something on it.
I think he's completely wrong. Trying to do the same thing as Sony and Microsoft is the surefire way for them to completely bomb. Pachter forgets the Gamecube apparently, which was more powerful than the PS2 and quite capable of handling all multi-platform games with ease. It didn't matter. People already associate Sony and Microsoft with their multi-platform purchases, and Nintendo with unique platforms and games.
What does that mean? That means that console owners are already committed to purchasing a PS4 or an Xbox 720. For all of these people, Wii U will be a secondary console that they purchase after the fact to supplement their core/multi-platform gaming with unique Wii U content. If Nintendo just offers the exact same thing, no one will need to get it.
Nintendo is using the correct strategy here. Release a cheap system that offers unique exclusives, that people can pick up cheaply as a secondary system and that Nintendo does not lose money on. That's the winning strategy, regardless of whether or not it takes off in the numbers that the Wii did. The only real question is ... is the tablet and Wii U going to UNIQUE ENOUGH. It's not whether or not it's too unique. Pachter is totally wrong, as usual.
What does that mean? That means that console owners are already committed to purchasing a PS4 or an Xbox 720. For all of these people, Wii U will be a secondary console that they purchase after the fact to supplement their core/multi-platform gaming with unique Wii U content. If Nintendo just offers the exact same thing, no one will need to get it.
Nintendo is using the correct strategy here. Release a cheap system that offers unique exclusives, that people can pick up cheaply as a secondary system and that Nintendo does not lose money on. That's the winning strategy, regardless of whether or not it takes off in the numbers that the Wii did. The only real question is ... is the tablet and Wii U going to UNIQUE ENOUGH. It's not whether or not it's too unique. Pachter is totally wrong, as usual.
I think he's completely wrong. Trying to do the same thing as Sony and Microsoft is the surefire way for them to completely bomb. Pachter forgets the Gamecube apparently, which was more powerful than the PS2 and quite capable of handling all multi-platform games with ease. It didn't matter. People already associate Sony and Microsoft with their multi-platform purchases, and Nintendo with unique platforms and games.
What does that mean? That means that console owners are already committed to purchasing a PS4 or an Xbox 720. For all of these people, Wii U will be a secondary console that they purchase after the fact to supplement their core/multi-platform gaming with unique Wii U content. If Nintendo just offers the exact same thing, no one will need to get it.
Nintendo is using the correct strategy here. Release a cheap system that offers unique exclusives, that people can pick up cheaply as a secondary system and that Nintendo does not lose money on. That's the winning strategy, regardless of whether or not it takes off in the numbers that the Wii did. The only real question is ... is the tablet and Wii U going to be UNIQUE ENOUGH. It's not whether or not it's too unique. Pachter is totally wrong, as usual.
What does that mean? That means that console owners are already committed to purchasing a PS4 or an Xbox 720. For all of these people, Wii U will be a secondary console that they purchase after the fact to supplement their core/multi-platform gaming with unique Wii U content. If Nintendo just offers the exact same thing, no one will need to get it.
Nintendo is using the correct strategy here. Release a cheap system that offers unique exclusives, that people can pick up cheaply as a secondary system and that Nintendo does not lose money on. That's the winning strategy, regardless of whether or not it takes off in the numbers that the Wii did. The only real question is ... is the tablet and Wii U going to be UNIQUE ENOUGH. It's not whether or not it's too unique. Pachter is totally wrong, as usual.
Haven't peole learned by now. Nintendo is dooooooomed. All analyists are 1000% correct. Also tablet and Idevice gameing is the future.
He may have a point but really it's just a second screen shoehorned into a pretty standard controller. Developers could just approach it like they would a DS.
Still, as much as I've enjoyed the prestige that comes with being an Ambassador for the 3DS, I think I'm gonna wait and see what happens with the Wii U.
Still, as much as I've enjoyed the prestige that comes with being an Ambassador for the 3DS, I think I'm gonna wait and see what happens with the Wii U.
Will Nintendo be most successful by doing their own thing or by doing what everyone else does? I don't know the answer to that but I think it's a critical question. And it begs the question of how important third-party support really is.
Certainly at least they can improve their online features without appearing to be an also-ran.
Certainly at least they can improve their online features without appearing to be an also-ran.
I'm a Pach-fan, but I don't think I agree here.
Nintendo will unveil the final version of the product at E3 this year. If they can find a comfortable balance between traditional controls, as well as motion sensitive and tablet controls, developers can see not only opportunity (as they did with the Wii) but options as well.
If Nintendo does not force any type of new controls (as they unfortunately had to with the Wii) then the WiiU and its third support can survive.
As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo needs three things.
-A strong core lineup AS WELL as focus on casual title
-A strong online system which (as demonstrated by recent developments for the 3DS) is more than possible
-A controller that can double as a tablet and a comfortable classic controller.
If they can do these things, then I think Pach's analysis will be proven incorrect.
Nintendo will unveil the final version of the product at E3 this year. If they can find a comfortable balance between traditional controls, as well as motion sensitive and tablet controls, developers can see not only opportunity (as they did with the Wii) but options as well.
If Nintendo does not force any type of new controls (as they unfortunately had to with the Wii) then the WiiU and its third support can survive.
As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo needs three things.
-A strong core lineup AS WELL as focus on casual title
-A strong online system which (as demonstrated by recent developments for the 3DS) is more than possible
-A controller that can double as a tablet and a comfortable classic controller.
If they can do these things, then I think Pach's analysis will be proven incorrect.
@tuoman
Haha, it should be "Power Bottom", but my typing skills are lacking, as well as my ability to proofread. I agree though, its my favorite too.
Haha, it should be "Power Bottom", but my typing skills are lacking, as well as my ability to proofread. I agree though, its my favorite too.
Since my first comment was pretty pointless here's a better one:
Nintendo have always been inside of their own little bubble and whilst it means they're behind in some aspects, they manage to stand out against the PS360s and make obscene profits as a result. The lack of 3rd party support means very little to most casual gamers.
Nintendo have always been inside of their own little bubble and whilst it means they're behind in some aspects, they manage to stand out against the PS360s and make obscene profits as a result. The lack of 3rd party support means very little to most casual gamers.
One of the main problems I see with the WiiU is the Single tablet controller thing.
First off, it creates an uneven multiplayer experience in the home. If a game uses the tablet controller in a truly remarkable way, face-to-face multiplayer suffers tremendously because the tablet user either gets all the advantages or more of the fun.
Second, and this is the big one, the single controller causes a shift in focus and practically to ONLINE multiplayer, which is possibly Nintendo's worst area. Several single-tablet gamers could play each other online and each have the best possible experience... if the online infrastructure doesn't get in the way.
So basically, if Nintendo doesn't take a GIANT step in the right direction for their online service, then they're really limiting the potential of the device altogether.
First off, it creates an uneven multiplayer experience in the home. If a game uses the tablet controller in a truly remarkable way, face-to-face multiplayer suffers tremendously because the tablet user either gets all the advantages or more of the fun.
Second, and this is the big one, the single controller causes a shift in focus and practically to ONLINE multiplayer, which is possibly Nintendo's worst area. Several single-tablet gamers could play each other online and each have the best possible experience... if the online infrastructure doesn't get in the way.
So basically, if Nintendo doesn't take a GIANT step in the right direction for their online service, then they're really limiting the potential of the device altogether.
I think Patches is right. Not that "copying" the other hardware manufacturers is exactly the right move, but I'd agree that they've begun to differentiate themselves to a fault.
What they do no longer seems innovative, but gimmicky rather.
Mario and Zelda sell Nintendo sells consoles, not control scheme gimmicks... how much better could Mario and Zelda be if they were coupled on a machine with great graphics, online play options and an interface that didn't make you want to tear your eyeballs out?
What they do no longer seems innovative, but gimmicky rather.
Mario and Zelda sell Nintendo sells consoles, not control scheme gimmicks... how much better could Mario and Zelda be if they were coupled on a machine with great graphics, online play options and an interface that didn't make you want to tear your eyeballs out?
Just going to say that I personally have no intention of buying the Wii UI. Not that I dislike it or am boycotting or any of that dramatic dribble, it just doesnt interest me at all.
I have to agree with Pachter. I'm guessing that most of the "hardcore" games are just going to be ports from last gen, which makes me question, why not just play them for other consoles, where you won't need to play them with some huge bulky tablet with little nub control sticks. And yes I know that the Wii U can use wii remote and classic controllers, but that doesn't mean devs will support the option (just like nobody really supported gamecube controller support for wii) and even using the classic controller doesn't seem like a good alternative when you have to have the wii remote hanging in your lap for another whole generation (plus I don't know if the control sticks on the classic controller click, which would create a problem.)
"Here's an idea, Nintendo, stop being in the business of selling gimmicks. Actually sell fucking game machines. Stop bullshiting around with control inputs and give me something I want to play.
Oh, and if you could come out with a nice powerful game boy, which they said DS wasn't supposed to replace, I'd appreciate it cause I'm tired of having to deal with the half hearted bullshit most developers, including Nintendo themselves, toss on the stupid fucking second screen simply because it's there and they have to have something on it."
Wowwwwww.... I support your comment..that is also my point of view on Nintendo. I will also add... We need new IPs.. I love Mario, Zelda, Metroid but man that shit is getting old..
Oh, and if you could come out with a nice powerful game boy, which they said DS wasn't supposed to replace, I'd appreciate it cause I'm tired of having to deal with the half hearted bullshit most developers, including Nintendo themselves, toss on the stupid fucking second screen simply because it's there and they have to have something on it."
Wowwwwww.... I support your comment..that is also my point of view on Nintendo. I will also add... We need new IPs.. I love Mario, Zelda, Metroid but man that shit is getting old..
Before the 3DS managed to turn it around, I would have agreed with Patcher. For awhile there it looked like Nintendo's days as a console maker were waning quickly.
While Patcher is right in that it will complicate things for 3rd parties (or at least, prevent cashing in on slapdash ports) I don't think Nintendo is doomed. Nintendo is and I believe, always will be a household name. People will buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.
That said, Nintendo better start to innovate a little more and think about creating some new IPs. From reading reactions all over the internet, it really appears that many longtime fans are becoming apathetic towards Nintendo. They've been playing it a little TOO safe for too long. If they don't attempt to break the mould with the Wii U then I foresee the Wii U being Nintendo's last major console.
While Patcher is right in that it will complicate things for 3rd parties (or at least, prevent cashing in on slapdash ports) I don't think Nintendo is doomed. Nintendo is and I believe, always will be a household name. People will buy a Nintendo console for Nintendo games.
That said, Nintendo better start to innovate a little more and think about creating some new IPs. From reading reactions all over the internet, it really appears that many longtime fans are becoming apathetic towards Nintendo. They've been playing it a little TOO safe for too long. If they don't attempt to break the mould with the Wii U then I foresee the Wii U being Nintendo's last major console.
My initial response to the Wii U controller was, "No way is anyone going want to mess with that big clunky mess," so I'm inclined to agree with old "Balls of Oatmeal" Pachter. But on the other hand, the financial successes of both the Wii and the Ipad tell me that we'd be foolish to rule out Nintendo's new hardware so early in its development.
Naysayers make me laugh as probably most of them don't own a Wii. And yet Nintendo still did pretty well for themselves. The issue here isn't that Nintendo will fail to sell and support the system with their own software. It's getting third party devs to support it. But since Iwata recently already made statements to acknowledge that fact, Patcher's comments are pointless and redundant.
@Shinta
So when he said the Wii U will suffer from a lack of third party support it somehow was different than you saying the Wii U will suffer from a lack of third party support?
So when he said the Wii U will suffer from a lack of third party support it somehow was different than you saying the Wii U will suffer from a lack of third party support?
The Wii U is in an odd position. On one hand, people buy Nintendo consoles for their first party games, so if you're a fan of Mario/Zelda/Smash/etc., you already know you're already going to buy the Wii U regardless of what third party games are going to be on it. On the other hand, if you don't like any of those franchises, then being able to play Arkham City or Darksiders 2 on a Nintendo isn't going to make you want to sell your 360 or PS3, especially if the PS4 and Microsoft's next console are announced at next E3 according to the rumors.
That being said however, all of this talk about whether the Wii U will fail or will become moot the minute they announce an HD Mario and/or Zelda.
That being said however, all of this talk about whether the Wii U will fail or will become moot the minute they announce an HD Mario and/or Zelda.
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