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Pachter: Wii HD could 'seriously damage' PS3 comeback photo

Wedbush Morgan's report on the videogame industry seems to be the gift that keeps on giving. Yesterday, we spoke about how Pachter predicted that Sony would surpass the Xbox 360 in six years' time, and today we have another nugget of gold from the analyst's huge document -- talking about how a hi-def Wii could seriously hurt the PS3's comeback chances.

"In our view, if Nintendo can offer such a device by year-end 2010, it will be in a position to seriously damage Sony’s chances of a comeback this cycle," claims the report. "We would expect publishers to support such a move, given that the cost of porting an Xbox 360 game to the new Wii Plus HD format would likely be lower than the cost of building a ground up Wii game (we estimate under $5 million).

"Should Nintendo be able to convince publishers like EA and Take-Two that the Wii Plus should be supported by the entire EA Sports catalog and by the next installment of Grand Theft Auto, it should be in a position to successfully convince consumers that the Wii Plus is the last console they will ever need to purchase."

I'm sure many more stories will come out of this report, which is currently being scoured by bloggers all over the Internet for more crazy quotes from the industry's greatest guessworker. What do you make of this one, though? Would Wii HD take the wind out of Sony's sails, and would it mean we'd never need another console?


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Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:43
Jon B
Oh Jim. You and your amazing MSPaint skillz.

And the WiiHD exists. It's called a PC.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:44
Nic128
You can't ask me to buy a wii again, I hope it's a addon.
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:46
covah
And like I've said, Michael Pachter is the religious psychopath preaching on the corner of the video game world.

THE WII HD IS COMING! THE WII HD IS COMING!

Yeah Pachter, you've been saying that for two years now buddy.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:47
Magnalon
Considering Nintendo itself said there's no chance of a Wii-HD, Pachter might as well have said "If pigs created an inter-dimensional portal and stole future technology, it would seriously damage mankind's chances of survival".
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:48
killias2
I'm not exactly sure what a WiiHD entails. Is it just a Wii with HD output, or would it be a more powerful console too? If its the former, why would it matter? If its the latter.. why isn't it just discussed as the next console? Also if its the latter, why is it a good idea to split your userbase?
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:50
Black Nexus
Again I ask, why does this idiot still have his job?
phantomile's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:50
phantomile
All of these predictions about the far future make me sad. If a new generation of consoles really hasn't been released by 2015, I'm pretty sure gaming will be considered dead.
kauza's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:54
kauza
Let me try:

In my opinion, catastrophic explosions at each of Sony's manufacturing plants would create a scenario in which Sony's comeback would be all but impossible.

Were bears to gain the ability of speech, it could quickly tip the scales of the console war in Microsoft's favor.

If Nintendo were to release a new console tomorrow called the Nintendo Eyeshredder, Nintendo would see an increase in profits between zero and nine billion American dollars. It would also immediately cause the bankruptcy of the Days Inn hotel chain.

Sales of The Conduit have been disappointingly low among consumers who do not own the Nintendo Wii, and it is my belief that this trend will continue indefinitely.
HiddenAHB's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:54
HiddenAHB
Jim, when will you quit the MS Paint and get some real pic's?
Those freaky faces are giving me nightmares.

PS:@covah
You're absolutely right.
Coming to think of it, every analyst is a crazy religious psycopath.
Mr Wrighty 987's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:57
Mr Wrighty 987
Michael Pachter talks some shit. look i can do that, Touch screen psp could seriously hurt the DS
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 15:58
Dennen
If it's an entirely new console that is a successor to the Wii. Maybe, i'd say. It would give them the chance to implement more ways to incorporate motion control into their games properly and in a different manner. Come back, Power Glove. I want a Power Glove Motion Control device. I'd love Head Tracking and a pair of gloves.

Aside from that, Nintendo would also have to be less restrictive to people developing on the console. In order to beat the PS3/360 in terms of the core market, they absolutely must allow large violent games on their console. As long as they do not, they will still have sales from the casual market with a high abandon rate. It will damage sales of either Microsoft or Sony if the future can be predicted from Wii sales. But after a year or two, the Wii's start piling up in the stores and no one seems to care anymore.

Nowadays the only time I hear anyone talking about a Wii is for the sheer use of one with aerobics and yoga. It's like the thing is hardly a console anymore. It's shifting further and further into an exercise machine.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:01
The-Excel
"Wii Plus HD"? Did he just make that up?

Given the cycles Nintendo puts on their systems, I don't think they're set to put out another console for another three years at least.
GuitarAtomik's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:02
GuitarAtomik
What killias said. If the Wii HD is just a Wii with HD output (and maybe slightly better graphics), how would that affect the market landscape any differently than just the Wii itself? HD output is not going to change the type of games that are released for it.

The only way that the Wii HD could eat in to the PS3 market share is if we're talking about a Wii HD that has graphics as good as the more powerful platforms (which is what I'm assuming he's talking about), and I would say: Why would Nintendo release that? The only advantage that would give them is more access to the hardcore market and I think they've clearly shown that though they may value the hardcore to an extent, they don't value them nearly as much as the "blue ocean" market. So why go through the trouble and cost of releasing a new system just for the hardcore market when they already have one on lock that is so much bigger?
Dimly's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:21
Dimly
Your MS Paint skillz are sharpening, Jim.
Aurain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:23
Aurain
If not all Wii's support HD. Not many Full HD games will come out for it.

Same reason why a Blu-ray 360 would fail.
If not everyone has it, you can't make it a staple.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:29
DinnertimeNinja
I think porting to the Wii is ALREADY significantly cheaper than porting a 360 game to the PS3.

If I understand correctly, the 360's architecture is very similar to that of a standard PC, which enables game makers to create very easily scalable graphics engines for their games. Similar to how PC games can run on a thousand different configurations of systems, 360 games can be more easily scaled to lower end specifications if need be.

As such, much of a 360 game's code and engine would be able to be used in a port to the Wii.

Even a Wii with better graphics capabilities would still probably need to have scaled down graphics from a 360 game I'd wager, so this speculation seems pretty far off.


I think Patcher is just completely fixated on this WiiHD idea. So much so that he's doubling up his speculations. I think he should start tripling and quadrupling them just for fun.

Example: If Nintendo releases the WiiHD, Sony could end up losing the console war this generation. This could cause Sony to take a major hit to it's earnings and employment. Should this occur, Sony Japan's office building may finally have to turn on it's "crisis" mode effectively turning it into a giant transformer hell bent on destroying all other business offices in Japan. Under these circumstances, Godzilla may have to be re-awakened in order to fend of the gargantuan MechaSony!

Industry speculation is fun!
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:35
Takeshi
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh god...
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:38
ParaParaKing
Nintendos next console will sell. There is little doubt.
But I don't expect it in the next two years.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:40
silvain
I just came here to say that you did a good job in making the Wii and 'mote look smug and sinister, as if the 'mote were just dispatched to sabotage the PS3 directly.

Well played.
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:41
atastysammich
I think that's my new favorite doodle of yours.
konrad hazen's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 16:46
konrad hazen
Ahh, analysts. Will they ever stop pulling stuff right out of their asses?

Man, I wish I was an analyst. It must be a great job.
BahamutZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 17:04
BahamutZero
I only listen to what workman says
False_Flag's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 17:25
False_Flag
Dennen said: "Aside from that, Nintendo would also have to be less restrictive to people developing on the console. In order to beat the PS3/360 in terms of the core market, they absolutely must allow large violent games on their console."

Ever heard about MadWorld, House of the Dead: Overkill to name only a couple?

Dennen said again: "It's like the thing is hardly a console anymore. It's shifting further and further into an exercise machine."

Think again. Which one of the three is mainly a gaming console, and which two are not. Two are also some kind of media centers. And that is absolutely fine, I'm sure they work great as media centers too. But saying "Wii is hardly a console anymore" probably tells more about your knowledge of gaming history.
Revolution's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 17:43
Revolution
@ false flag

Yeah I agree. Besides, violence and graphics do not equate to sales.
Ben PerLee's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 17:54
Ben PerLee
There is absolutely no reason for Nintendo to release a new console anytime soon. I mean, they just started seeing hits to their sales, so why would they even bother?

Whoever is saying that a WiiHD is even going to come to market before 2012 is talking a little out of Nintendo's way of working.
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 18:28
Dennen
@False_Flag:

Yes. I have. But a small selection does not equal a wide range. You cannot say that all Germans are nazi's, Everyone Cosplays, Everyone is a murderer, yadda yadda yadda.

Simply because you can look at something from a separate opinion, does not negate other opinions to be entirely constructed of falsities. To name only a couple, yet how many games are on the Wii that can be called the general multiplatform game that is successful? Is there a chance that we will see a Mario FPS with all the things that we are accustomed to? Of course not. Nintendo has continued to maintain a scrict and small selection of violence on their consoles, and I personally feel that will not change. And as long as that does not change, you will have fewer multiplatform games willing to make that change.

And that's where this argument stands. Can a game that is violent, yet multiplatform, be ported to another platform that is, very extremely, non violent? Will developers bother adjusting violence levels to allow the change?

I also laugh at your attempt to troll my "knowledge of gaming history". That has nothing to do with the topic, and I won't get into some manner of "I own" cockfight with you. It's a waste of everyone's time.

I say it's shifting further and further, because of what you see marketed on TV these days. Do you see much of Mario anymore? Bowser? Link? No. What do you see marketed? Small, casual games, and for every commercial for that, there's another marketed towards Wii Fit or some similar game developed by another company. THAT was what I was speaking of. Not what's available. Any dingbat can point out the obviousness that there are other selections available. The point is that as far as major advertising goes, we mostly see Nintendo's console marketed for non-traditional gaming purposes.

As I said. "Nowadays the only time I hear anyone talking about a Wii is for the sheer use of one with aerobics and yoga.".. Your ability to selectively pick and choose your arguments to make something appear as it is not astounds me.

@Revolution:

I highly agree. Violence and Graphics do not equate to sales. But lack of Violence and Graphics result in non-selection as a multiplatform port. Violent game is multiplatform, is not ported to the Wii. Occasionally someone breaks the mold and designs a game for the Wii based on previous releases. Dead Rising or Dead Space for example.

Violence is arguable depending on the company. Nintendo is more widely known for non-violence in obvious manners. Turning it into a cartoony method. But graphics? That is the foundation as to why this topic was created. High Definition. Graphics.
wanderingpixel's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 18:29
wanderingpixel
Why is this guy relevant?
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 18:40
Discarded Couch Sandwich
If Pachter's predictions ever come to light i'll eat my hat.

I like that hat, too. It cost me £3 at a Primark.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 19:19
Jim Sterling
You don't suck on a pie, moron. That'll be your mouth's muscle memory kicking in.
Dennen's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 19:35
Dennen
*starts a slow clap for Jim*

Well done. Quite good!
Wedge's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 19:39
Wedge
There will be no WiiHD. A WiiHD doesn't even make technological or any other kind of sense. Why does this idiot get payed for things like this?
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 20:50
-PL-
I heard that Unicorns could damage the PS3 comeback.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 20:55
Monodi
Actually, we WILL have a WiiHD, in no matter of time, we will do have one, that is a fact. The only thing is it could not be called WiiHD. We got a GameCube with motion controls, but it wasn't named MotionCube or something.
Brlito's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 23:17
Brlito
Hey guys watch this:

WII SUCKS AND THERE'S NO GAMES FOR IT THAT'S WHY YOU ONLY GET TO PLAY WITH 1 GOOD GAME A FISCAL QUARTER!

HALO ON WII "HD" (WILL THEY FINALLY GO PAST 480 AT LEAST?! KEKEKEKEKE) = RAPE!
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/30/2009 23:37
Chronic Logic
Let's think about it. People don't think the Wii is a "hardcore" platform because it's graphics aren't up to par with the 360 and PS3 right? Now if they added hi-def to the Wii, that reason is thrown out of the window. So I'm pretty sure a hi-def Wii will dent into Sony's profit margins.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 00:46
GoldenGamerXero
When will they finallt tape this man's ass shut and stop letting him crap on the internet. One day he's just going to be doing his job when BAM everyone realises he's a dick and a crappy forecaster/analist or whatever!

@-PL-

Dude! The Nintendo Unicorn!
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 01:19
DinnertimeNinja
@Chronic Logic,

How would simply allowing the Wii to output in HD make the graphics up to par with the 360 and PS3?
Grape's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 01:49
Grape
@Dennen:

Can a game that is violent, yet multiplatform, be ported to another platform that is, very extremely, non violent? Will developers bother adjusting violence levels to allow the change?

Sorry if I seem stupid ... Where does this multiplatform-argument come from? Not arguing, just didn't understand why the violent games should be multiplatform games, since Wii owners seem to like their exclusives. There are all kinds of ports (from HD consoles for Wii) out there, and some of them aren't really good...
ChaosTeaCup's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 06:30
ChaosTeaCup
Wasitworthwaitingweeksandweekswatchingwiiwhisperswonderingwhenwillwiiwatchwhatwewant?
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/01/2009 11:11
whormongr
shitty graphics in HD is somehow more powerful than shitty graphics in SD? actually it seems to me that it would look worse you wouldn't have the aliasing of the sd conversion
alex1314159's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/03/2009 18:50
alex1314159
man wii fit sucks, if only it was in HD
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