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Same could probably be said about any fanboy in general
Also, second requisite "I know exactly what an analyst does, and could do it better than these guys. I just don't want to because of reasons" comment today.
Also, second requisite "I know exactly what an analyst does, and could do it better than these guys. I just don't want to because of reasons" comment today.
Yeah that isn't really shocking. No need for people to get mad about it, unless it's the truth. I mean I like Nintendo, but not as much as Pachter says.
To be fair, all systems have that sort of rabid, devour all branded mechendise, fanboy. Nintendo just seems to have more.
To be fair, all systems have that sort of rabid, devour all branded mechendise, fanboy. Nintendo just seems to have more.
I think that, to a certain degree, there is a glint of truth to that but as MrFunsockz said it comes down to being just fanboys.
I haven't bought a Mario game since SM Galaxy
I haven't bought a Mario game since SM Galaxy
Not sure what you are trying to prove with the Wii music thing. I don't think it sold well and a lot of people hated it and didn't buy it
WoW... for the first time ever.. I agree with Pachter ;). That is a very accurate assessment of ANY fanboy :).
Pachter just does this to stay relevant don't he... and this is a particularly wanker-ish statement.
Frankly, I buy Nintendo moreso than any other because shock horror...
THEY SEEM TO GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THEIR FANS AND TREAT THEM LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Nintendo is frankly the only force that's stopping the other companies taking away all of our sexy rights. They are the old guard that's just about making great games and less about screwing us over.
Also.
They happen to make the best games, and have the most interesting history that elevates them over other companies.
Anybody who doesn't support Nintendo's ideals is just asking for gaming to die quite frankly. They're the only ones who really make family games anymore, without them back in the day how many of us would be hardcore gamers now?
Frankly, I buy Nintendo moreso than any other because shock horror...
THEY SEEM TO GIVE A CRAP ABOUT THEIR FANS AND TREAT THEM LIKE HUMAN BEINGS. Nintendo is frankly the only force that's stopping the other companies taking away all of our sexy rights. They are the old guard that's just about making great games and less about screwing us over.
Also.
They happen to make the best games, and have the most interesting history that elevates them over other companies.
Anybody who doesn't support Nintendo's ideals is just asking for gaming to die quite frankly. They're the only ones who really make family games anymore, without them back in the day how many of us would be hardcore gamers now?
So some people are taking a borderline-nonsensical exaggeration from a well-known bullshitter cereal? Oh, these guys! Adorable!
The brand loyalty of Nintendo fans can be pretty extreme, there is no doubt about that. This is my list of worst fanboys of all-time, in ascending order:
3. Xbox "Halo 0wNz, the PS2 is weak lol"
2. PS3 "It's WORTH $500!"
1. Wii "It DOES have games! [posts chart filled with sports and music titles]"
Seriously, though, while it can be compared to Apple for the sheer number of fans who are brand loyalists, a significant number of Nintendo fans are Mario/Pokemon/Etc fans who know that anything Nintendo produces WILL have several versions of those titles eventually. You can blame those fans for buying a new Nintendo console on that logic alone.
I'm not one of those fans, but I can understand it. The Last Guardian was one of the reasons I bought a PS3.
3. Xbox "Halo 0wNz, the PS2 is weak lol"
2. PS3 "It's WORTH $500!"
1. Wii "It DOES have games! [posts chart filled with sports and music titles]"
Seriously, though, while it can be compared to Apple for the sheer number of fans who are brand loyalists, a significant number of Nintendo fans are Mario/Pokemon/Etc fans who know that anything Nintendo produces WILL have several versions of those titles eventually. You can blame those fans for buying a new Nintendo console on that logic alone.
I'm not one of those fans, but I can understand it. The Last Guardian was one of the reasons I bought a PS3.
People buying several versions of games they already own and systems they already own does somewhat speak towards what he is saying.
While I agree with him (That logic applies to almost any fanboy of any company, specifically Apple), what I find most hilarious is the reaction and, quite hilariously, the offence and anger that people express when someone makes this comment.
I mean if you met these people in real life shouting the stuff they type, you would be laughing your ASS off.
I mean if you met these people in real life shouting the stuff they type, you would be laughing your ASS off.
Pachter walked into the crime scene. It was a mess, but as an Videogame Financial Analyst, he completely expected it.
Officer Geoff Keighley was already there. He was a shady shamus, always playing both sides for more screen time. Pachter wouldn't trust him with his wife's panty drawer, but he respected the guy's methods.
"What's the score, Keighley?" He asked, lighting up an exotic Cuban export.
"Fraud, followed by Homicide," Keighley said, "But I guess a fancy Analyst like you already figured that one out. GTPD's got this in this in the bag. Sexy dead gal bought some cardboard thinking it was Super Mario Office Hockey. It's open and shut case, man. We don't need as has-been like you!"
Pachter ignored him, and crouched down to get a good look at the scene. It looked like an exchange gone bad. The dame had a .38 in one hand, and two slugs to the chest. The little guy, once a sweaty pervert by the name of Melvin Sproggler, was face down in his own blood and urine. The guy certainly went when the time came for him.
But something was wrong abouy this whole scene. Pachter looked up, instinctively checking the window. It was open, forced open, and whoever ran left a trail thinner than his cigar smoke.
"This was a set-up, Keighley!"
"Yeah, says who?"
"Says me," he replied. "I don't believe this was a bad deal. Some goon came through the window, made it that way and ran off with the goods."
"And what makes you say that?" Keighley said, playing along with Pachter's tune.
"Because dead dames don't buy cardboard. Especially if they're from Nintendo."
To Be Continued...whenever.
Officer Geoff Keighley was already there. He was a shady shamus, always playing both sides for more screen time. Pachter wouldn't trust him with his wife's panty drawer, but he respected the guy's methods.
"What's the score, Keighley?" He asked, lighting up an exotic Cuban export.
"Fraud, followed by Homicide," Keighley said, "But I guess a fancy Analyst like you already figured that one out. GTPD's got this in this in the bag. Sexy dead gal bought some cardboard thinking it was Super Mario Office Hockey. It's open and shut case, man. We don't need as has-been like you!"
Pachter ignored him, and crouched down to get a good look at the scene. It looked like an exchange gone bad. The dame had a .38 in one hand, and two slugs to the chest. The little guy, once a sweaty pervert by the name of Melvin Sproggler, was face down in his own blood and urine. The guy certainly went when the time came for him.
But something was wrong abouy this whole scene. Pachter looked up, instinctively checking the window. It was open, forced open, and whoever ran left a trail thinner than his cigar smoke.
"This was a set-up, Keighley!"
"Yeah, says who?"
"Says me," he replied. "I don't believe this was a bad deal. Some goon came through the window, made it that way and ran off with the goods."
"And what makes you say that?" Keighley said, playing along with Pachter's tune.
"Because dead dames don't buy cardboard. Especially if they're from Nintendo."
To Be Continued...whenever.
Glad Pachter's always right about this sort of thing. You know, like he was about Borderlands. Or, as Holmes has been mentioning on Twitter, all the Nintendo-published stuff that hasn't done so well.
It's not difficult to see why people got upset he called a fanbase stupid, that sort of backlash is expected. Yes it's true a chunk of consumers buy things on brand names alone, but as far as Nintendo Console hardware sales go the Wii is the only time they've been on top since the NES. They were about equal with the SNES and GENESIS, PS1 sold significantly more than the N64, and the Gamecube sold less than the PS2 and XBox. Also there's the virtual Boy, and the slow start to the 3DS.
The reason Nintendo has been successful recently isn't just because of their name, because that wouldn't explain their position the last couple of generations. The reason they've been successful is because of the so called "blue ocean Strategy" they target specific audiences such as the casual gamer, children, retro gamers, and people who like weird stuff. It's not too difficult to understand why they're successful they specialize in games that their competition only lightly focuses on.
The reason Nintendo has been successful recently isn't just because of their name, because that wouldn't explain their position the last couple of generations. The reason they've been successful is because of the so called "blue ocean Strategy" they target specific audiences such as the casual gamer, children, retro gamers, and people who like weird stuff. It's not too difficult to understand why they're successful they specialize in games that their competition only lightly focuses on.
People don't like to hear truth about themselves. Nintendo gets a free pass on almost everything out of pure nostalgia.
The fact that sooooo many people recommended Skyward Sword to me is more than proof of that statement.
@CelicaCrazed
I didn't find skyward sword to be a BAD game, but the motion controls felt more of a hindrance than a help. And some of the childish handholding design choices were just plain annoying.
It's definitely not the "In my honest opinion, the most well crafted game ever place on this earth." as was told to me.
I didn't find skyward sword to be a BAD game, but the motion controls felt more of a hindrance than a help. And some of the childish handholding design choices were just plain annoying.
It's definitely not the "In my honest opinion, the most well crafted game ever place on this earth." as was told to me.
I dislike pachter for 3 reasons
1) Hes never right when it comes to nintendo, so I can understand the constant attack mode some people take
2) He says hes never right when it comes to nintendo, so it makes it seem like he says the things he says to troll
3) He doesnt know who yoshi is.
YOSHI, the amazing green dino, egg hurler, he is so cool, the fact pachter has no idea who that is makes me question is cool factor
1) Hes never right when it comes to nintendo, so I can understand the constant attack mode some people take
2) He says hes never right when it comes to nintendo, so it makes it seem like he says the things he says to troll
3) He doesnt know who yoshi is.
YOSHI, the amazing green dino, egg hurler, he is so cool, the fact pachter has no idea who that is makes me question is cool factor
I wish Nintendo would just stuck to handhelds, and make their e-shop actually work and/or competitive.
"Not sure what you are trying to prove with the Wii music thing. I don't think it sold well and a lot of people hated it and didn't buy it"
It was a joke at the fact that Nintendo indeed thinks its fans will buy any old nonsense. I never said the fans *would*. It wasn't to agree with the sentiment as much to say that Nintendo's just as guilty of expressing it.
It was a joke at the fact that Nintendo indeed thinks its fans will buy any old nonsense. I never said the fans *would*. It wasn't to agree with the sentiment as much to say that Nintendo's just as guilty of expressing it.
GameFaqs and GoNintendo are the places where the fury are felt most? You mean the same GameFaqs crowd that blows its shit about everything (including Jim, from what I understand) and GoNintendo, the very fanboy's Pachter was talking about?...
Really aren't digging that deep into the fury hole, are we?
And Pachter is right, because Nintendo does echo the sentiment pretty much.. Always.. They've built their entire "why should we ever change and keep relevant" business model on this sentiment for almost 2 decades now.
These people just hate being called out and being made to feel foolish about it, instead of saying "well, at least I have a hobby"
Really aren't digging that deep into the fury hole, are we?
And Pachter is right, because Nintendo does echo the sentiment pretty much.. Always.. They've built their entire "why should we ever change and keep relevant" business model on this sentiment for almost 2 decades now.
These people just hate being called out and being made to feel foolish about it, instead of saying "well, at least I have a hobby"
Yeah, I don't know about this one. Two of the biggest Nintendo "fanboys" I know work for this site, and they still manage to be criticial of Nintendo's missteps, just like the rest of us.
Oh yay! A new Nintendo handheld! What? Only one good game? It's Nintendo so there will be lotsa Mario and Zelda, think of the future!
What? They're releasing a better version of the handheld I just bought? So soon? Great!
What? They're releasing a better version of the handheld I just bought? So soon? Great!
I thought the exact opposite was the reason why we weren't getting both Xenoblade and The Last Story the same time as everyone else.
Why yes, we Nintendo fans are as thick as bricks. Unlike those Sony or Microsoft fans who are sensitive, soft-spoken and the most friendliest of them all.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to jerk-off to my non-existent Virtual Boy box, because obviously every single Nintendo fanboy has one.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have to jerk-off to my non-existent Virtual Boy box, because obviously every single Nintendo fanboy has one.
"Surely the entire Wii Music demonstration from 2008 was one giant version of what Pachter said..."
It would be if anyone actually had bought it.
It flopped hard, remember? Guess that contradicts what Patcher is saying.
It would be if anyone actually had bought it.
It flopped hard, remember? Guess that contradicts what Patcher is saying.
Normally this is when I would say Pachter is full of himself and doesn't know what he's talking about. However, in this case I really don't know. On one hand, I disagree with what he said, simply because I'm a big Nintendo fanboy and think Nintendo has made some really, really, REALLY stupid decisions over the years. On the other hand, I know some people who are genuinely offended if someone says anything about Nintendo that isn't "OMG THEY ARE THE GREATEST COMPANY EVER".
As long as people actually will buy anything, the business practices everyone hates so much will continue forever.
I semi-frequent a zelda fan site cuz you know its my favorite series and whatnot, but they are also broad nintendo fans. One author erupted with this pachter quote, writing the story and taking it out of context and bringing most of the commenters down to his rage level. I suspect this is the same for other sites as well.
Pachter was obviously talking about the "hardcore" nintendo "fanboys". Fanboys are on every platform, the episode just happened to be about Wii U. Fanboys behave the same on every platform. Pachter isn't rooting for one console or another, but he is free to poke fun at all the naive loyalists out there as an analyst, especially as part of his predictions about the Wii U audience. And just to be clear, its OK to be a FAN, but not a FANBOY, the terms carry different meanings these days. A fan is open to criticize or point out the flaws of the subject he mostly loves/loved from time to time. A fanboy is always in denial.
In truth, Nintendo does have more, possibly rabid fanboys than many other competitors because
A) it has a bigger and higher quality history to often back up its "we doing everythang right" mentality and therefore its fanboys' claims
B) it was directly involved in every console war since the term "console war" started, birthing fanboys every generation as new kids are born and start using the internet.
Pachter was obviously talking about the "hardcore" nintendo "fanboys". Fanboys are on every platform, the episode just happened to be about Wii U. Fanboys behave the same on every platform. Pachter isn't rooting for one console or another, but he is free to poke fun at all the naive loyalists out there as an analyst, especially as part of his predictions about the Wii U audience. And just to be clear, its OK to be a FAN, but not a FANBOY, the terms carry different meanings these days. A fan is open to criticize or point out the flaws of the subject he mostly loves/loved from time to time. A fanboy is always in denial.
In truth, Nintendo does have more, possibly rabid fanboys than many other competitors because
A) it has a bigger and higher quality history to often back up its "we doing everythang right" mentality and therefore its fanboys' claims
B) it was directly involved in every console war since the term "console war" started, birthing fanboys every generation as new kids are born and start using the internet.
If people buy it because it's Nintendo, how come there are Nintendo fans that have never heard of Fire Emblem?
Some of the most critical people I know regarding Nintendo never step outside of the two franchises they accuse Nintendo of flogging to death - Mario and Zelda.. Its and easy argument to make when you never broaden your own horizons.
I think Earthbound is outdated shit, I cant stand Super Princess Peach and can't believe Mario Party already has a ninth installment even with five year gap since MP8.
I love Nintendo, but I'm not made of money and its not all suited to my tastes. I spit at the mention of Metroid Other M as it is, mostly because I'm trying to forget it and I can't.
Some of the most critical people I know regarding Nintendo never step outside of the two franchises they accuse Nintendo of flogging to death - Mario and Zelda.. Its and easy argument to make when you never broaden your own horizons.
I think Earthbound is outdated shit, I cant stand Super Princess Peach and can't believe Mario Party already has a ninth installment even with five year gap since MP8.
I love Nintendo, but I'm not made of money and its not all suited to my tastes. I spit at the mention of Metroid Other M as it is, mostly because I'm trying to forget it and I can't.
@Jim Sterling
"It was a joke at the fact that Nintendo indeed thinks its fans will buy any old nonsense."
...but they didn't think it was nonsense.
It's not like they said: "Let's make a Rattler Simulator; it's crap, but our fans will buy it anyways, Nyuk, Nyuk."
The people behind the "game" were trying to make a GOOD music game for the system and were genuinely baffled when it bombed.
I don't think they go out of their way to screw their fans the way, say, Activision Blizzard does.
"It was a joke at the fact that Nintendo indeed thinks its fans will buy any old nonsense."
...but they didn't think it was nonsense.
It's not like they said: "Let's make a Rattler Simulator; it's crap, but our fans will buy it anyways, Nyuk, Nyuk."
The people behind the "game" were trying to make a GOOD music game for the system and were genuinely baffled when it bombed.
I don't think they go out of their way to screw their fans the way, say, Activision Blizzard does.
Truely the man is a visionary among gaming journalism! Sure he hasn't been right yet, but he is truely a prophet!
Seriously, the next Pachter related article should just be labelled "Pachter says things about vidya gaemz" and it wouldn't make a difference.
Seriously, the next Pachter related article should just be labelled "Pachter says things about vidya gaemz" and it wouldn't make a difference.
but they WILL anything as long as it says nintendo on it. it's like pachter was saying the sun will set in the west. that's just how it is. i don't see the problem here.
...as for Patcher's comments, all I'm going to say is:
Well, no shit Sherlock, that's why they're "fanboys". Sony? Microsoft? Square? Apple? (place-your-name-here)?
They all have "fanboys (fangirls? Maybe just fanfolk)" who do this.
Any more amazing insights into the minds of the obsessed?
Well, no shit Sherlock, that's why they're "fanboys". Sony? Microsoft? Square? Apple? (place-your-name-here)?
They all have "fanboys (fangirls? Maybe just fanfolk)" who do this.
Any more amazing insights into the minds of the obsessed?
Nintendo fanboys are just as bad as Apple fanboys
unfortunately for me im in the nintendo fanboy club. :(
unfortunately for me im in the nintendo fanboy club. :(
"Elder Foot"
This is why Jim needs to write more Pachter articles. What happened to the header images?
This is why Jim needs to write more Pachter articles. What happened to the header images?
He isn't just singling out Nintendo fanboys, clearly in the context of this conversation, Nintendo is just the ones being discussed with him. I'm sure he shares the same sentiment about Microsoft and Sony, much like I do
@Dr-Peace: Did you really just claim that Nintendo cares about it's fans? The company that fans literally have to petition to try and get games released and who will withhold game releases in some territories for YEARS for no reason while demanding the most draconian region locking policy of any other console manufacturer. They even added region locking to the 3DS for god's sake. And let's not forget their attitude towards fans reaction to friend codes and such. They don't care about their fans. They just drive them away until only those who already agree with them are left.
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