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Pachter: Rumors of new Xbox in 2012 are silly photo

Many gamers have already assumed that the next generation of videogames will officially kick off next year, and a number of rumors suggest that we'll be seeing the third iteration of the Xbox soon (I won't say "Xbox 720" because ugh). Analyst Michael "Colorful Erection" Pachter is more cynical, however, going so far as to call any talk of a 2012 Xbox release silly. 

"Those rumors are silly," he said. "Microsoft is still selling a ton of Xbox 360s, and they won't replace the existing one until sales begin to slow. I think the rumors are based upon leaks about modifying the current Xbox 360 to allow it to operate Windows 8. I fully expect a new model of Xbox 360 by holiday 2012, but don't think we see a new console altogether from Microsoft until 2014."

2014 is quite a way away, and with the Xbox 360 undoubtedly showing its age, I wonder if Microsoft can wait that long. The PS2 still sold a ton when the PS3 was out, and while Sony's obviously a different company, I would say that console releases are about more than just replacing the falling sales of the last machine. Keeping up with the Joneses and grabbing press attention with shiny new toys is just as, if not more, important. I don't think the Xbox 360's success can be taken as sole evidence that a new console isn't on the horizon. 

Xbox 720 in 2012 rumours are 'silly', says Pachter [Videogamer]








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Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:27
Dhaos
I think pachter is "silly". I dont think he'll come out with any new predictions until 2014 as his current ones are still selling quite well
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:30
Ronin4life
I think he's still mad about being wrong with his hd wii thing.
Although, at the moment, this is what I see happening as well,minus the windows 8 360.
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:32
Sexualchocolate
Last time the Xbox came out first and that had a MASSIVE effect on it's lifetime sales.

This time the PS4 will come out first and the game of see saw will continue.

I don't mind, I'm actually quite happy with the current generation. But a new PS4 i'll just have to buy!! a new Xbox i'll consider, i suppose, once it's been out a while and if it gets a good reputation and if it gets any good games.

:P
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:33
Ronin4life
@dhoas
...huh? I never buy pachters predictions, because they are always crappy. I always assumed everyone thought this way...
-_-; ....lol.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:34
Epic-Kx
Michael "Stanky Booty Booty" Patcher
JQM78's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:35
JQM78
He wansnt really wrong with his "hd wii thing", the wii u is basically an hd wii... he might of been wrong on when it was going to release, but he did predict an hd wii, which is pretty much exactly what wii u is.
tuoman's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:36
tuoman
"Power Bottom" Pachter is killin it with the analyzing lately.
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:37
Ronin4life
@jqm
Maybe, but he predicted a normal wii with hd graphics, basically a rerelease, not a new console, which the wiiu is.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:38
Epic-Kx
Michael "Manji Spin Kicks" Patcher
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:39
Ronin4life
@epic
Micheal "stares at giraffes" pachter.
SirNinjaFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:41
SirNinjaFace
Michael "Crusty Anus" Pachter
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:44
manasteel88
Yup I'd agree with this and I'm not sure how the 360 is showing it's age. The games coming out all still look really great. Sure they don't look $1500 Gaming PC great, but hey that's why the thing costs under $300.
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:44
Ronin4life
@sir ninja
That's just gross.
On topic...
Michael "crusty giraffe anus" pachter.
Attackbaby's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:45
Attackbaby
I agree with Pach. I think at most you'll see console announcements at E3 if at all
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:53
Fugly Duckling
I think 2013 is most likely. The 360 has one more big holiday season(consisting of Halo 4 and...Halo 4), they announce the new box shortly after the Halo 4 launch, and it's out fall 2013. That makes more sense than Microsoft killing all momentum on the 360 just before the holidays next year.
TXYeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:55
TXYeti
I predict we'll never hear another Pachter prediction without Jim calling it dumb and offering is own alternative.

Wonder why Jim isn't an analyst if he's so fucking savvy.
The Nakedest's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:56
The Nakedest
Michael "No Reason Boner" Pachter
Jason Gurin's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:57
Jason Gurin
If a new Xbox is announced for this year I'm def getting it. If it's not coming out in 2012 I may get the new Wii. It's all up to Microsoft where my cash will go. Ps4 is a no brainer purchase but I think we will have time before it comes out.
SirNinjaFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 09:58
SirNinjaFace
Michael "stares at colorful giraffe erection" Pachter
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:07
Dhaos
@ronin4life "I always assumed everyone thought this way..." A more naive statement has never been said
Rob Horine's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:09
Rob Horine
Has this hump ever been right about a 'prediction'?
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:10
Ronin4life
@txyeti
If you know anything about pachter and his crazy predictions, you know that he is usually wrong.
But 2013~2014 seems likely to me as well.
muttonface's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:10
muttonface
It's probably 50/50 for Microsoft for an announcement... maybe an event sometime late in the year? I wouldn't say the Xbox is showing it's age, games still look good to me, just because one or two games (like Battlefield) look exponentially better doesn't mean anything when many console multiplatform games look good enough for me, and I presume for many gamers. Plus how many developers are really going to want to put in that much investment into what is an already expensive trade in game development. Making a game for the 720? EA has already stated it would be detrimental to their business, and I'm guessing for every other company also.

I'm still leaning towards the year after 2012. GTAV, Halo 4 both haven't come out yet, add to the fact that yes the 360 is doing better than they have for a while, why slow that momentum? Everything is kind of on the rise for you Microsoft.

Plus ... does MS really also want to piss off the mllions of people who just bough Kinect also when the 720 launches with Kinect 2.0?

This announcement might happen due to ignorance but I sincerely hope not. It will piss off many developers, consumers and publishers. But really it doesn't really matter whether or not it's announced next year, the problem is when it launches which... I hope isn't until 2014. I think ultimately it's not good for the industry in the long run if it is released much earlier.
hushlorentz's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:12
hushlorentz
Michael "Peepee Collector" Pachter.
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:13
Ronin4life
@dhaos
It does seem that way... I guess I was overly dramatic lol.
^_^;
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:15
Ronin4life
@rob
Micheal "hump" pachter.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:15
SephirothX
Dear Jim Sterling,

Please stop giving this no-nothing twat any kind of attention, as it only fuels this person's false belief that he is relevant.

Signed,
Everyone
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:19
timtheterrible
@Sexualchocolate

"Last time the Xbox came out first and that had a MASSIVE effect on it's lifetime sales.

This time the PS4 will come out first and the game of see saw will continue."

According to what? Intuition?
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:19
Ronin4life
@dhaos
Look! Look at sephirothx's comment!
"Signed, everyone"
I WAS RIGHT.
...lol...=_=;;;;
Also, Micheal "no twat" pachter.
...ok, that one was a little mean.
I'm going to stop now.
N7's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:20
N7
I think the Technofile in hardcore gamers wants another console in 2012. I don't think it's silly at all, it's actually time for an upgrade. DVD is showing it's age as are the graphics. This view point won't make sense to Pachter but I think MS should be aware of it.

7 years is a great run for the 360. It's time to upgrade and launch Kinect with DUAL ANALOG "move esc" wands which would make it useful for hardcore games.
The Nakedest's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:22
The Nakedest
@Jason Gurin,
You do realize that it is the end of November, right? There are 39 days left before it is no longer 2011. Black friday is THIS friday. I want you to think about this, and then tell me how likely it is that Microsoft will release a console that they havn't even announced, in the next 6 weeks.

Also, Michael "The girafe never said no" Pachter
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:23
Dhaos
Michel "words come out of my face" pachter
Isay Isay's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:24
Isay Isay
Michael "pushmi-pullyu giraffe erections" Pachter
El-Sveppi's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:27
El-Sveppi
I want the new generation, sooner rather than later.
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:27
Dhaos
@ronin didnt mean to imply you were wrong, just somthing about that sentance made me cringe
hardy83's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:27
hardy83
He's right. MS is taking a page out of Nintendo's book and is milking their system for all it's worth.
Undoubtedly they are working on the next system, but I doubt they are in any rush.

I also don't think they are in a rush cause I doubt Sony or MS think of the Wii U as a serious threat and Sony probably wants to milk the PS3 a couple more years since it took them so long to get where they are now.

I think 2014 is a good time for new systems. 2013 for the announcements.

Whether this ends up being good or bad for the companies, who knows, since they usually never think that far ahead, usually not more then a fiscal year.
That's what bit Nintendo in the ass. They weren't thinking a head, only of now.
Ronin4life's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:30
Ronin4life
@dhaos
That's understandable.
No harm done.
JQM78's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:33
JQM78
Nextbox
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:42
mix
2014?
Um no, MS will release their console around the same time as their competitors do as to remain COMPETITIVE.

Michael "Sanchez" Patcher.
Fuzunga's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:49
Fuzunga
What makes this guy an analyst? I'm better at making predictions than he is.
CaimDark's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:58
CaimDark
I'm actually kind of worried about the next gen. Smaller developers and publishers are already struggling with this generation's costs, and with said costs expected to rise even more, I fear they may not survive the next? I like Call of Duty and Gears of War as much as the next guy, but I certainly don't want a gaming world where a game needs to sell 3 million copies just to break even, and as such without room for niche titles such as Persona, Catherine and Demon's Souls, or perhaps even without room for something in between, like Dragon Age.
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 10:58
SayWord
I'm excited for all these new generation of consoles! Maybe microsoft will finally start some new ips next gen?
TheRedDevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:18
TheRedDevil
It will be 2013 at the earliest before we'll see next Xbox.
DrunkPunk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:28
DrunkPunk
For once, I agree wiht something Pachter said. Not his reasoning behind it, oh no, because that's just retarded. But the time frame. 2014 seems much more viable than 2012. They tend to announce this stuff with a good amount of time in advance, so they can showcase it, sell you on it, and tweak it as necessary. Also gives more than a year to build up a launch library.
Jason Gurin's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:30
Jason Gurin
@nakedest. I know we aren't getting a new system this year. I just mean if Microsoft announces a new console I want it and that means I'd rather have that then a Wii U
PEICanada7's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:40
PEICanada7
I can't believe, that I actually agree with Pachter for once, but I think he's right here. I think its silly to think that Microsoft could be ready for a 2012 launch, when developers don't even their first dev kits yet, and they're only working on PC hardware right now.

Nintendo is a year away and they're only giving out final hardware kits now. They gave their first dev kits out in March, so that's closer to 2 years before launch, rather than one year. I think 2014 might be a bit too far off, but a holiday 2013 launch seems more likely. I think 2014 is more PS4 territory!
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:42
PhilK3nS3bb3n
Mikey Fear Boner Pachter
Lemon-Fresh's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 11:44
Lemon-Fresh
Halo 4 comes out next holiday season.
Halo 4 is a huge title.
Huge titles sell systems.
Huge titles squander competition
Huge titties are nice, but I prefer b cup or so,

Last part was unrelated, but I think halo 4 is a logical launch title.
SephirothX's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 12:03
SephirothX
Lets do some simple evaluation to figure out that Patcher, like always, is totally wrong:

Sony releases the Playstation on a six-year schedule.
Playstation 1 - 1994
Playstation 2 - 2000
Playstation 3 - 2006

This puts the Playstation 4 right around a late 2012 or early 2013 release assuming they hold true to form. Also factor in that the Wii-U will be out by 2012. Now factor in that Microsoft forced the 360 out early knowing the RROD issue existed simply to get their system out before Sony (aka: burnt over a billion dollars in future losses just to have their name out first).

What in the blue hell makes you think Microsoft would let Nintendo have a two year head start and Sony have a full year on them?
Rhuno's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/22/2011 12:13
Rhuno
I think we may see the console announced in 2012, but with a release in 2013. I don't really feel the need (or want) for a new generation of consoles at the moment. I think the 360 holds up just fine with the competition.
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