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Pachter: PSPgo is 'ripping off' customers photo

Analyst Michael Pachter has put Sony in the corner and given it a firm spanking following the announcement of the PSPgo at E3. Criticizing the company's decision to charge so much money for its new handheld, Pachter has deemed the PSPgo a "rip off," stating that Sony is asking too much money.

"$249 is too much. Period," claims the analyst. "The [current] $169 PSP-3000 is a profitable device -- the disc assembly, for a UMD, costs more than 16 gigs of flash does. So this new device doesn't cost them as much to make as the PSP-3000 and they jack the price up $80.

"I'm sorry to say it. I don't want to get bad fan mail from the Sony fanboys, but... They're ripping off the consumer until they sell a couple million and if consumers don't buy it then the price is going to come down. They're making a lot more money on the PSPgo than the PSP-3000. And the PSPgo helps them because there's no piracy."

It all comes down to what Sony thinks it can get away with, and I fear that those aforementioned Sony fanboys will be more than happy to justify the price hike by shelling out money for the fourth iteration of the water-treading handheld. As much as I love the PSP and would like to get a PSPgo, this is one of those rare occasions where I'm 100% with Pachter -- $249 is downright cheeky.








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wadawoodo's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:45
wadawoodo
for once i aggree with that box of tools Pachter
Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:45
Drack48
It is a rip off, but people go out and pay tons of money for Ipods..that can't play games like GT and God of War...It's too much for my ass, but just saying. You can get used PS3 for $329 now a days too.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:50
whormongr
I agree and I don't, whenever something "new" (albeit the go is really just a redesign, but then the ds lite was kind of treated the same as compared to the fat) comes out it is outrageously priced- hell look at when the 360 came out and was $599
Strandli's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:52
Strandli
Apple have been ripping of consumers for years, standard hardware glorified with white coating and a half-eaten apple on it.

Though I do see this kinda is ripping of, I think Sony should have dropped the price at the same level/below the current 3000, then they would sell A LOT more. I also hope they drop the price on the games, if they sell them at a cheap price, people will download twice as much.
I thought Sony knew better, oh no I didn't...
the Golden Avatar's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:55
the Golden Avatar
@whormongr

The 360 was never $599.
linuxguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:56
linuxguy
whormongr:360 came out at 400(I don't fall for that x99 trick)
also the 16GB ipod touch is 300 and doesn't play real games, and to be honest its sound quality is shitty.
DF's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 08:57
DF
I can easily bet I can find UMD games cheaper used, or clearanced in some stores than on PSN when it all goes live. =P

Really, I swore I heard someone say that the PSPGo would be cheaper than the 3000 because of the lack of UMD drive for one, but costing as much as a console? Yeouch. Of course it's inconsequential to me, as I'm happy with my 2000. =P
ajaxender's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:02
ajaxender
Drack48... you say people are ripped off for paying what they do for an iPod, because it cant play God of War etc?... I bought my iPod to put music on it, am I doin it wrong? :P

This is typical Sony, really. They make great products, sure, but they just have to screw themselves over in some way. This redesign should have happened before the PSP 3000, or been delayed until a true PSP 2 (and thats gotta be due for announcement in a year or two). They're now in competition with themselves, with THREE types of PSP already on the market, all considerably cheaper. They cant win.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:09
catsithx
Cause people still and always kiss sony's ass for anything
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:15
manasteel88
yeah I don't really know what the deal was with Pachter during that episode...but he was on Sony's ass. He's 100% right in the fact that its a worthless upgrade that screws over consumers, but he was still a little over critical of sony on all things.
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:15
Kris S
This was actually the most sensible thing I've ever heard an analyst say, in fact so was the whole interview, he really changed my opinion of analysts. Check it out on Gametrailers, it's the Bonus Round after the E3 conferences if I remember rightly
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:19
ParaParaKing
It's funny how something Pachter mentions on a show last SATURDAY, is still news on Thursday.

But it's even funnier how all the blogs are copying each other.
Roryzilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:38
Roryzilla
I don't know, the 16 gig ipod is more than that
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:40
TheToiletDuck
Yeah but.. people will buy it at that price. And the ones that won't will buy it when they drop it.
TheToiletDuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:40
TheToiletDuck
drop the price, not the device :P
CircleOfFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:41
CircleOfFire
Given that things like the iPod Touch 16GB costs about the same, I think Pachter is making up the price of the assembly.
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:43
Kris S
@Roryzilla
That's not the point though is it? By now the produciton costs should be tiny and as stated above there is no UMD drive anymore, where is this extra cost coming from? It's not so bad in US dollars but for us in Scotland (or the UK I suppose) and the EU it's a shocking price.
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:45
shinryu
whichever way you look at it, people will buy it at that price. hell, some people would buy it at ANY price. after those people are done spending, they lower the price, saturate the next bunch, lower the price again, etc. Nobody's doing this for charity, whatever price they set you can be sure it's the most profitable to them in that given moment, and nothing else.
Maurice Tan's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:46
Maurice Tan
@CircleOfFire: And iPods are overpriced and too expensive as well.
shinryu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:47
shinryu
and btw, a 16gb mem stick is about 100€ around these parts, so the Go would actually cost less than a 3000+16gb. Just sayin'
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:49
Black Nexus
Shinryu108 just hit the nail on the head.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 09:53
silvain
Price it like it's 2005, baby!
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:00
Cowboy TTop
Sony make cool product, but their pricing is terrible and always has been.

PSP Go is overpriced, but a new Ipod is due shortly, which will also cost a lot. Thing there is, at least Apple are cutting the price of previous iPhone's in order help them sell too.

Take a hint Sony. Cut the price of old PSPs across the board, to about £60 ($99), and prove that you love us. £150 ($250) is too much for go though.
TJF588's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:04
TJF588
Actually, in the States I could get a 16Gigger and a 3001 for cheaper, is Froogle is anything to go by.

It was argued somewhere else that this markup may be there to make it buyable in-stores. With everything digi-stributed, there's no incentive for brick-&-mortar businesses (or any besides Sony, I guess) to sell the thing, since the customers wouldn't be coming back for software. Thus, the price I hiked so these places can make some profit in place of the disc sale losses (though there's still accessories?).

I'm hopin' that this good-will program could enable me to, say, buy Dead Head Fred new on UMD and get a digital copy, which'd be cheaper and more material than d/l from PSN. I can also see post-October releases having a download voucher bundled in the physical copies.
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:06
Kris S
@Shinryu
Where the hell do you stay? Thats hella expensive, try ebay uk and get it shipped to you...if you needed one of course :)
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:09
Blasto
@ Black Nexus
...except that the Go doesn't include the greater expense of an optical drive so, yeah, still a ripoff.

Also,I agree with Pew; iPods are also a ripoff. A nice Creative Labs media player is WAY cheaper and you can get one the size of a Nano WITH an OLED display and much greater functionality for <$100. Additionally, fuck iTunes. And fuck the status whores who buy them *hides under desk*
Kris S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:12
Kris S
I think I love you Blasto
davo's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:25
davo
@TJF588: Bingo!

They have to convince Gamestop and Walmart to stock it somehow. Why would retailers take the same tiny margin as they do on normal consoles / handhelds when they have ZERO opporunity for (new and used) game sales?
ejamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:26
ejamer
I'd pay $300 for a PS3, or $150 for a PSP Go - that is absolutely as high as my budget can stretch for video game systems. Unfortunately, that means I'm probably not going to own a Sony system this gen unless something changes unexpectedly. :(
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:31
Naim Master
Why is Fat Princess in this PSP screen?
atastysammich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:48
atastysammich
Give it time--they'll brag about a twenty-dollar price drop in half a decade or so.

@Naim Master
I think they very casually mentioned it in the Dtoid interview.
ParaParaKing's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:49
ParaParaKing
@Naim Master: Because of Fat Princess: Fistful of Cake.
XrayZwei's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:51
XrayZwei
@TJF588 "It was argued somewhere else that this markup may be there to make it buyable in-stores."

I've been trying to post this as much as possible. It wasn't argued, John Koller said directly in an interview with Ars Technica that the margin was changed (increased more than likely, why lower it?) to make it more inticing for retailers to carry it. Also, here's an interesting tidbit that Koller revealed: "We've changed the model from a margin perspective from the 3000, so there are changes throughout," he explained. "We've made it very worth their while to carry the PSP Go." The question nobody has answered yet is how much.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/06/ars-talks-digital-distribution-with-sony-plays-with-psp-go.ars
koehler83's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 10:52
koehler83
So is the Wii
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:02
Black Nexus
@blasto
Yes the optical drive is gone but setting up an digital support network wasn't free either(well reinforcing it for the expected traffic), and devs aren't gonna make umd and digital versions of games ready out of the kindness of their hearts either.

However the obvious reason for the price(and the reason I won't complain) is piracy, when piracy happens someone does pay for it (its just not the pirate).So if you really wanted a low priced psp go go grab that freind of yours that thinks he's dealing justice to the man by stealing software and drop kick him, because all he's doing is screwing us over.

He funny thing is a lot of people complaining about the price are probably the cause of it in the first place.

Sony might of kept the price of the go high even without piracy but will never know because said pirates gave sony an excuse.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:03
PappaDukes
Sony is expensive, but you get what you pay for. If I'm going to buy anything, I want it to last, so that's why I don't have a problem paying a little more.
So far, I've never had any problems with any Sony product I've purchased. *knocks on wood*
Maybe I'm just lucky. I just had my Sony Vaio delivered today, so we'll see if my lucky streak continues.
grasslunatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:07
grasslunatic
And it costs nearly twice as much in Europe.
NostalGeek's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:14
NostalGeek
I'm just waiting for the PSP Go! to buy my 2000 or 3000 :)
The Pat Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:23
The Pat Man
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Look at whats been happening with Sony lately. All those lay offs and stuff. And how they're losing money by lowering the price for PS3. Despite the price being absurd, it's their way of trying to make some money back. The way they probably view it is that people with a PSP already won't go out and buy a PSP Go, even at a lower cost. There are individuals who will of course, but that assumed number probably isn't high enough for Sony to even think about decreasing the amount and risking lower profit. The price might be absurd, but they're trying to gain back some profit they lost.
Blasto's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:31
Blasto
@Black Nexus
I also detest piracy. My two unmodded PSPs ( a 1000 I passed on to my girlfriend, & a 2000 ) will attest to this fact. But regardless, piracy is Sony's problem not mine, and I'll be damned if I pay for it. Will you?
BluDesign's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:57
BluDesign
Hey I just looked it up, Sony. I can buy a PSP-3000 and a 16gb memory stick for $200. Guess which route I would take? This option or a PSP Go?

Also, the only support I'm throwing at the iPod touch is that there's going to be so much more functionality with that than a PSP. I can use my lphone in the smae manner and looking beyong gaming, music, video apps the iPod touch would prove to be far more useful beyond those three main uses. But, YMMV.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 11:59
Black Nexus
@blasto
We all pay for it pone way or another, wether its that over seas game you wanted to see in your contry not getting a port, the price cut that will never happen, an issue like the rrod never being totally fix (right away,remember when 360 piracy was somewhat heavy they really didn't care about he rrod),or that niche title you wanted gets cancelled.

We will always pay for it, so you might wanna pick your poison, unless you want them to pick it for you.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:01
Black Nexus
Edit:pone- some
BlackFreefall's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:15
BlackFreefall
$250 is a on the high end. Not the mention we have to buy all the new accessories. For that price, I would rather pick up a Wii.
Takeshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:32
Takeshi
Pro-tip: Don't buy it.


I'll get it day one.
whatisdelicious's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:46
whatisdelicious
Definitely a rip-off, but Sony needs some damn money. Let the regular Joe Schmoe half-gamers out there who aren't likely to read this kind of news buy it while we hardcore gamers who read the news wait for that price drop.

Because like I said, Sony needs some damn money.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:48
Cowboy TTop
If Sony are scared to drop their prices, then they should try doing so for a short period of time and see what it does to sales. I bet you, if they dropped PS3 price tommorow, globally for one week, that sales would spike. Problem is, they are too chicken shit to even try.

If they tried the same for PSP, even in the light of the DSi success, they would get the same result. I'd certainly buy a second PSP for £60/$99, but they fail by keeping pices high and its a no go.

Sony are also deluding themselves if they think Go is going to stop dedicated pirates, who live to crack stuff open. Many still crack their PSP to play retro games more than new product. It makes me think the whole PSP piracy thing is a bit overcooked than it actually is.
Johnny_Storm's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 12:53
Johnny_Storm
I really want this but i agree its too expensive, i think I'll get DSi and wait for this psp to drop in price. Feel like playing the new march of the mini's
Drack48's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 13:56
Drack48
@aj, correct but you can play music just fine on the PSP Go that isn't in a shity proprietary format and play games that look like they weren't made for the N64.
PrinnyMedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/11/2009 14:13
PrinnyMedic
God Damn it I want it
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