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@Los255 +1
This is one of the craziest cases of vaporware I've seen yet, and tons of people are literally buying into it O_O
There's no hard details on hardware/software of the system. There's nothing about games that are going to be on the system. And this isn't a company that has a history of making consoles, games, and deals with third parties to show that they can pull all this off.
This is one of the craziest cases of vaporware I've seen yet, and tons of people are literally buying into it O_O
There's no hard details on hardware/software of the system. There's nothing about games that are going to be on the system. And this isn't a company that has a history of making consoles, games, and deals with third parties to show that they can pull all this off.
I'm not sure why but I just can't get excited about this. The hardware won't be very good for $100. Sure, it's a more open platform... oh, wait, we already have one it's called a PC. I'm just not sure what it can offer that you can't do on a PC. Hell, for $100 you can buy a Raspberry Pi.
I should probably read the interviews and stuff. But the fact that I haven't bothered kinda shows my total lack of interest. I just don't see what this could possibly offer me as a PC gamer :/
I should probably read the interviews and stuff. But the fact that I haven't bothered kinda shows my total lack of interest. I just don't see what this could possibly offer me as a PC gamer :/
not at all intrested in this, but it would be good if Valve could learn its mistakes and good choices for a future project.
All these kickstarter projects suck. They are flooding in, there's nothing to show for them, and do we really need yet another console and/or distribution service, whatever this is? OnLive, Gaikai, TV's have gaming and media hubs built in to them, there are about 100 other products to do the same thing... Please.. just stop with all this...
@jinx
In all honesty what could you expect? If you are willing to pony up the cash to game on pc, you are going to get an inferior experience anywhere else. The alternatives are for those of us who would prefer less costly and less awesome experiences. Ferrari's aren't for everyone, eh?
In all honesty what could you expect? If you are willing to pony up the cash to game on pc, you are going to get an inferior experience anywhere else. The alternatives are for those of us who would prefer less costly and less awesome experiences. Ferrari's aren't for everyone, eh?
@kuebelr33 don't give your money to them then just cause you don't believe in Kickstarter doesn't mean the rest of us shouldn't pay it any attention
@chopper161 I didn't say I don't believe in them. I said they suck. Honestly, like the first game or 2 looked to be good, then everyone jumped on the band wagon..
Wouldnt-it-suck-if-it-was-EA-all-along,pretending-to-be-this-new-company....SURPRISE!...and-thanks-for-the-bennies
Totally want one. You'd be hard pressed to find a used iPhone for 100 bucks, and even if the gaming aspect circles the shitter, it's still a fairly cheap Android box capable of doing other things.
Take a chance on a new open console, or buy the collectors edition of some AAA game with a statue that I'd lose interest in once the hype wears off?
Take a chance on a new open console, or buy the collectors edition of some AAA game with a statue that I'd lose interest in once the hype wears off?
Here's the thing people ... when you donate money to any Kickstarter project, you need to assume the project may fail and nothing ever will come of it. If this bothers you, you shouldn't pledge money. Your best bet is put that money in a mutual fund.
Personally, I think the Ouya sounds awesome. The only dealbreaker for me is the prospect of "always-on-drm". If it ever does come to market, it could exert some nice pressure on sony, microsoft, and nintendo to open up their development process which is a good thing for everybody. Also, it provides another market for android developers.
I just hope they have a curated store like Apple so I don't have wade through the muck of terrible apps.
Personally, I think the Ouya sounds awesome. The only dealbreaker for me is the prospect of "always-on-drm". If it ever does come to market, it could exert some nice pressure on sony, microsoft, and nintendo to open up their development process which is a good thing for everybody. Also, it provides another market for android developers.
I just hope they have a curated store like Apple so I don't have wade through the muck of terrible apps.
@dtomek:
You realize the PC/Mac/iPad you are writing this on probably has hardware superior to the OUYA, right? And that you can slap a $100 video card in a cheapo PC and it will easily outmatch the PS3/360? Way to keep the ignorant cliche that PC gaming is expensive alive.
You realize the PC/Mac/iPad you are writing this on probably has hardware superior to the OUYA, right? And that you can slap a $100 video card in a cheapo PC and it will easily outmatch the PS3/360? Way to keep the ignorant cliche that PC gaming is expensive alive.
i like the idea that cynicism is growing, because anyone that displayed it in the first comments section here got repeatedly insulted, mostly by people who didn't want to face the fact that although they thought they had just paid 100 bucks for a gaming console, in reality they were fairly likely to get nothing in return. even with 5 times as much starting capital that remains the case.
i still don't think ouya will deliver what they say they will, i still think that if they do it won't amount to much, and i still know that even if it succeeds beyond everyone's wildest dreams that it isn't for me.
i think the worst part of this is the potential damage to kickstarter's reputation. that said, something like this was always going to happen sooner or later, and i don't think it makes much difference if people loose their money having bet on a difficult project like this or one that seemed like a sure thing.
i still don't think ouya will deliver what they say they will, i still think that if they do it won't amount to much, and i still know that even if it succeeds beyond everyone's wildest dreams that it isn't for me.
i think the worst part of this is the potential damage to kickstarter's reputation. that said, something like this was always going to happen sooner or later, and i don't think it makes much difference if people loose their money having bet on a difficult project like this or one that seemed like a sure thing.
@HomersGhost
If nothing comes of it, you get your money back.
If you don't, you sue them for fraud.
I don't know where this idea you are randomly putting money in limbo with no legal chance to do anything about anything comes from.
If nothing comes of it, you get your money back.
If you don't, you sue them for fraud.
I don't know where this idea you are randomly putting money in limbo with no legal chance to do anything about anything comes from.
@Jinx01
One of the development advantages of OUYA is there is a single hardware configuration to work with. The biggest nightmare of developing for PC is worrying about things like "How much memory do they have?", "What do we do if they run out?", "What video card are they using?", etc. The potentially infinite number of configurations can be a nightmare to deal with. It's partially dealt with using driver abstraction, but that leads to it's own set of problems since you can't code close to the hardware.
The notion that PC gaming isn't expensive isn't quite a fallacy. Yes, you can get PS3/360 caliber graphics for a low price, but that's almost at the end of the cycle. If you were to try and match the power of those systems at launch, your video card budget would likely be more than $100. The status quo for visual fidelity is also a moving target with PC gaming. The perception is that if I buy a console I'm set for at least five years. I don't know anyone that builds a gaming PC and expects it to last for 5 years, or 8 in the case of this generation.
One of the development advantages of OUYA is there is a single hardware configuration to work with. The biggest nightmare of developing for PC is worrying about things like "How much memory do they have?", "What do we do if they run out?", "What video card are they using?", etc. The potentially infinite number of configurations can be a nightmare to deal with. It's partially dealt with using driver abstraction, but that leads to it's own set of problems since you can't code close to the hardware.
The notion that PC gaming isn't expensive isn't quite a fallacy. Yes, you can get PS3/360 caliber graphics for a low price, but that's almost at the end of the cycle. If you were to try and match the power of those systems at launch, your video card budget would likely be more than $100. The status quo for visual fidelity is also a moving target with PC gaming. The perception is that if I buy a console I'm set for at least five years. I don't know anyone that builds a gaming PC and expects it to last for 5 years, or 8 in the case of this generation.
@amtalx:
"I don't know anyone that builds a gaming PC and expects it to last for 5 years, or 8 in the case of this generation."
I built a gaming PC for 650 bucks. It lasted 5 years. I upgraded most of the key parts just recently. That cost me 500. It'll last me another 5 years.
So there's 1.
"I don't know anyone that builds a gaming PC and expects it to last for 5 years, or 8 in the case of this generation."
I built a gaming PC for 650 bucks. It lasted 5 years. I upgraded most of the key parts just recently. That cost me 500. It'll last me another 5 years.
So there's 1.
@ Alan Argentina
well currently they have pledged to deliver 36500 console and pad packs, which is a hell of a lot. even if they get it all to work properly and get it into production, how long will it take? by the time it comes out will it even be worth it? will people be willing to wait without making the ouya staff regret having ever done this?
it's a pretty tall order, and i don't think they will succeed, but that's beside the point anyway - i'm glad you're happy to sit on the fence, but there's no need to harass people that have an opinion.
@ DMitsuki
so if they spend the 5 million trying to produce the product, but fail for some reason, who is going to give people their money back?
well currently they have pledged to deliver 36500 console and pad packs, which is a hell of a lot. even if they get it all to work properly and get it into production, how long will it take? by the time it comes out will it even be worth it? will people be willing to wait without making the ouya staff regret having ever done this?
it's a pretty tall order, and i don't think they will succeed, but that's beside the point anyway - i'm glad you're happy to sit on the fence, but there's no need to harass people that have an opinion.
@ DMitsuki
so if they spend the 5 million trying to produce the product, but fail for some reason, who is going to give people their money back?
@psycho terror2
That was a lot more reasonable than that first comment, which was insanely unreasonable. Yeah, hypothetically it may not work out, but again, you don't have any more information that anyone else, and saying something like "mostly by people who didn't want to face the fact that although they thought they had just paid 100 bucks for a gaming console, in reality they were fairly likely to get nothing in return" is a bit ridiculous based on the information we have.
I'm not on the fence, I'm cautiously optimistic, and more than happy to take a chance when it's as cheap as it is.
I don't know how "You don't have nearly enough information to draw any of those conclusions at all" is harassment, but that seems to be a favorite trump card these days, so whatever.
That was a lot more reasonable than that first comment, which was insanely unreasonable. Yeah, hypothetically it may not work out, but again, you don't have any more information that anyone else, and saying something like "mostly by people who didn't want to face the fact that although they thought they had just paid 100 bucks for a gaming console, in reality they were fairly likely to get nothing in return" is a bit ridiculous based on the information we have.
I'm not on the fence, I'm cautiously optimistic, and more than happy to take a chance when it's as cheap as it is.
I don't know how "You don't have nearly enough information to draw any of those conclusions at all" is harassment, but that seems to be a favorite trump card these days, so whatever.
@Jinx 01
..... but but but why should people be forced to put a $100 graphics card in their computers to have graphics on par if not surpassing currentgen consoles. When they could use that $100 to buy a console that ...... well ..... ummmmm, I'm sure given enough time I can conceive of a redeeming quality ~.~
Yeah if people are really that desperate then they should definitely go the Raspberry Pi rout ^.^ Clocking in at around $35-40 and I wouldn't be half surprised if it has beefier specs. Course at this point my leatherman has beefier system specs than the nothing we have to go on :P
..... but but but why should people be forced to put a $100 graphics card in their computers to have graphics on par if not surpassing currentgen consoles. When they could use that $100 to buy a console that ...... well ..... ummmmm, I'm sure given enough time I can conceive of a redeeming quality ~.~
Yeah if people are really that desperate then they should definitely go the Raspberry Pi rout ^.^ Clocking in at around $35-40 and I wouldn't be half surprised if it has beefier specs. Course at this point my leatherman has beefier system specs than the nothing we have to go on :P
@ Alan Argentina
harassment wasn't the best word, but it was directed at people who took the whole thing way too personally in the last thread. i'd like to see ouya succeed, even though as i said it's not something i'd buy, i just don't think it will.
as for my opinion being unfounded, i don't have access to more information, but i think a lot of backers really haven't considered the fact that they haven't purchased or even pre ordered a product, because at the moment the product doesn't exist, it's just a prototype. even backers that know they are gambling may not realise the huge scale of the task ouya now face.
also, consider that i am sure enough of my opinion that i will openly state that i am very pessimistic about the whole thing. you and many others are 100 dollars sure that this will work out. do you have access to information i don't? seems to me i'm not the one jumping to conclusions too quickly.
harassment wasn't the best word, but it was directed at people who took the whole thing way too personally in the last thread. i'd like to see ouya succeed, even though as i said it's not something i'd buy, i just don't think it will.
as for my opinion being unfounded, i don't have access to more information, but i think a lot of backers really haven't considered the fact that they haven't purchased or even pre ordered a product, because at the moment the product doesn't exist, it's just a prototype. even backers that know they are gambling may not realise the huge scale of the task ouya now face.
also, consider that i am sure enough of my opinion that i will openly state that i am very pessimistic about the whole thing. you and many others are 100 dollars sure that this will work out. do you have access to information i don't? seems to me i'm not the one jumping to conclusions too quickly.
"Normal" pictures are worth a thousand words. Occam's pictures... well, let's just say they transcend our primitive language.
@psycho terror2
Maybe people were less than receptive because you were making concrete statements about how it was going to fail? I don't know, I don't know what you've said before, but seems like that could be the case.
I'm not saying you're opinion is unfounded, or that it's less valid than others. I'm just saying that you can't be sure. Saying it's going to fail badly is no better than saying it's going to dominate.
People aren't 100 dollars sure, people are willing to take a hundred dollar chance. Considering it's the price of a collectors edition game, I don't think people are going to have their gaming disrupted too badly if this doesn't pan out. And if nothing comes of it at all? People get their money back.
It's barely a gamble in the grand scheme of things, and if you didn't have the 100 bean to spare, you probably shouldn't have gambled at all. Then again, I'm sure most rational adults know what they're getting into when it comes to KS, so no worries on that front.
Maybe people were less than receptive because you were making concrete statements about how it was going to fail? I don't know, I don't know what you've said before, but seems like that could be the case.
I'm not saying you're opinion is unfounded, or that it's less valid than others. I'm just saying that you can't be sure. Saying it's going to fail badly is no better than saying it's going to dominate.
People aren't 100 dollars sure, people are willing to take a hundred dollar chance. Considering it's the price of a collectors edition game, I don't think people are going to have their gaming disrupted too badly if this doesn't pan out. And if nothing comes of it at all? People get their money back.
It's barely a gamble in the grand scheme of things, and if you didn't have the 100 bean to spare, you probably shouldn't have gambled at all. Then again, I'm sure most rational adults know what they're getting into when it comes to KS, so no worries on that front.
still cant help but ask who is going to buy this. I mean i enjoy android games as much as the next guy.. but i enjoy them as time wasters when I'm on the can, waiting in line some place, or at the drive in waiting for the movie to start. Cant see myself sitting at my tv playing angry birds with a controller...
@ Alan Argentina "People aren't 100 dollars sure, people are willing to take a hundred dollar chance ... And if nothing comes of it at all? People get their money back."
am i missing something, i mean seriously, did ouya promise to give you back your $100 if they waste all the donations (key word) and can't send you a console? if a project fails to meet its funding target then yes, you get your money back, but this one has already exceeded it, and when the deadline is up they will take your hundred dollars, and AFAIK they won't send it back even if the console never ships.
i was going to say that many seem to think they aren't gambling, but then you went and said that actually you aren't gambling, and that makes no sense. IMO 36,500 people are either $100 sure, or they didn't know what they were getting into.
am i missing something, i mean seriously, did ouya promise to give you back your $100 if they waste all the donations (key word) and can't send you a console? if a project fails to meet its funding target then yes, you get your money back, but this one has already exceeded it, and when the deadline is up they will take your hundred dollars, and AFAIK they won't send it back even if the console never ships.
i was going to say that many seem to think they aren't gambling, but then you went and said that actually you aren't gambling, and that makes no sense. IMO 36,500 people are either $100 sure, or they didn't know what they were getting into.
@Grimm looks like about 40k people want this and are willing to take the gamble that it may or may not come out. (which is kinda insane)
I'll grant that it's different from a PC or a regular console. I guess I'm just not sure what the point is. I suppose, as with Kinect, the most interesting things will be what people come up with that nobody would predict.
@amtalx:
Yes, but the minimum hardware configuration you'd aim for on PC, even for a low-end game, is going to be at least on par with the OUYA. And it's not like developers and gamers aren't accustomed to the idea that their software should 'scale' to a variety of hardware. There is also the possibility, even likelihood, that the OUYA will follow the route of the iPad, mobile phones, etc. and offer new, updated models every year or so. At which point you are left with the same issue as PCs, minus being able to actually upgrade anything.
I think I'm just going to do a blog on this next week, I'm tired of being accused of being some rich elitist when I game on PC because I'm poor o_O
@amtalx:
Yes, but the minimum hardware configuration you'd aim for on PC, even for a low-end game, is going to be at least on par with the OUYA. And it's not like developers and gamers aren't accustomed to the idea that their software should 'scale' to a variety of hardware. There is also the possibility, even likelihood, that the OUYA will follow the route of the iPad, mobile phones, etc. and offer new, updated models every year or so. At which point you are left with the same issue as PCs, minus being able to actually upgrade anything.
I think I'm just going to do a blog on this next week, I'm tired of being accused of being some rich elitist when I game on PC because I'm poor o_O
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