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Orson Scott Card tantalizes with talk of future games from Ender saga photo

For those of you that don't know, Orson Scott Card is a prolific science fiction writer responsible for the Nebula award winning Ender's Game series. For those of you who do know, you're probably bouncing around in your chair right now, and I'll have you know I'm doing the exact same thing. I've been hopeful for games based on the Ender saga for years now. In this interview with Gaming Today , Card talks about his many ideas for games based on his novels as well as the progress of the Ender's Game film.

Card says about the games:

Part of the deal with Warner Brothers was for them to develop the many videogames that are possible from the book, without waiting for the movie. They never fulfilled that - which was the only part of the deal with Warner Brothers that actually made me angry. Movies are hard to make - but to make many good, profitable Ender's Game games is a no-brainer.

He actually reviews seven different game concepts all stemming from Ender's Game itself, not to mention the following five novels in the series. One is based on the Battle Room, a focal point of the first in novel which the child soldiers of the book fight in teams in a zero gravity enviroment. As engaging as the stories of the novels were, i can envision an amazing gameplay experience if these concepts were executed correctly.

Card also has some interesting commentary on the topic of violence in video games:

Players, like audiences, are able to distinguish very clearly between cartoon violence and real violence. Grand Theft Auto provides real-world scripts; Coyote-and-Road-Runner cartoons do not. Playing Space Invaders may make me more likely to shoot rows of aliens attacking slowly from above, but it is not likely to cause me to drive more aggressively or beat people up. To say "video games cause violence" is stupid in the extreme, like saying "novel reading causes teenagers to have sex" just because SOME young-adult novels are perhaps more sex-centered than is helpful. The question is always: Which videogame are you talking about?

The full interview is well worth the read. The film has ben in talks for some time (thank God Jake Lloyd grew up before the role of Ender was avaliable), but this project could be a truly amazing one if brought to fruition. For those of you who remember Card created the story in Advent Rising, I'm sure you are just as excited about the idea as I. There really aren't enough creative games on the market about six year olds soldiers trying to kill each other in space. Get on it, developers!








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RJG's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 01:29
RJG
I read the interview the other day and I mist admit, I was giddy like a school girl after reading it. I've only read Ender's Game, I still haven't found the others in the series, but the possibilities make my fanboy mouth froth.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 01:59
Aaron Mxy Yost
Is OSC suggesting that movies are hard to make, but games aren't?
cjpkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 02:26
cjpkiller
the whole movie is in CG...
I hope jake lloyd dies in a fire, or gets aids


I don't think anyone could get an enders game video game right. unless it was orson scott card himself, just the camera problems alone for the battle room game would make me want to kill whoever made it, because I know they'd try to force one way as up on me... but as we all know... in zero g there is no up...
SeraphX's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 03:06
SeraphX
CG...? Really? Well the bathroom scene with Bonzo will be lame, they'll be some stupid bullet time I'd bet.
DrXym's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 03:38
DrXym
I don't understand why Orson Scott Card is so controversial or even talked about. Ender's Game was a fairly pedestrian book that just happened to have a rather good twist ending. It wasn't grade A sci-fi by any stretch. It certainly doesn't lend itself well to a game series - space pilots / marines vs bugs has been done how many times now?
SeraphX's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 04:31
SeraphX
We all know that, Card himself admitted his books are by no means top of the line sci-fi. But we loved it all the same did we not?
topgeargorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 04:40
topgeargorilla
card also goes on to talk about haw he had a nasty addiction to video games. go figure. anyways, the ender's game series gets really wierd, and has almost nothing to do with little kids killing each other.
Milhouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 07:07
Milhouse
Ender's Game = my favorite book.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 07:18
TheBrain
@Mxyzptlk

I think he means its harder to get a film into production. Which seems to be true as so many scripts/ideas/etc. spend a long time in limbo before getting greenlighted.



Also, Orson Scott Card is probably my favorite author. I've read the whole Ender series and Ender's Game is probably the best suited for a videogame (although Speaker for the Dead is my favorite).

I fear that the games would never live up to my expectations though.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 07:20
TheBrain
@DrXym

You're right, the books are so unremarkable that two of them won both the Hugo and Nebula award.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 07:25
BlindsideDork
I am afraid for the game...cause I would hate the game to tarnish the image of the book in my head with a sucky game!
-D-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 07:57
-D-
Orson Scott Card + Video Games = Not good. Advent Rising was a mess and I'm not talking about the controls
KilgoreTrout XL's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 08:05
KilgoreTrout XL
I was a big fan of Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, and Xenocyde when I was a kid.

Card's admittedly a decent writer. Incientally, he's also a bigot. I would also point out that he's stupid enough to continue to believe (and advocate) that global climate change is not happening.

It will be interesting to see if those views are espoused in his video games as well.

fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 08:26
fetusmilk
an enders game game would be awsome . that was such a good book. i suggest reading it if you havnt. square should do this game. an rpg element in the space station. kinda like bully + FF + the enders game would be cool.
Seyward's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 08:52
Seyward
It doesn't say anywhere it's going to be CG, don't know where that idea is coming from.

I'd love a real version of the "Fantasy/Mind" game or at least see it in action in the movie.
Pangloss's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 09:03
Pangloss
My buddies and I ran a little modding team at college, and we contacted Card about making a Battle Room mod for Steam. He didn't ever give permission, so I guess he was still in talks for a big developer to pick up the idea.
DrXym's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 09:08
DrXym
@The Brain, so I have to like them because they got some award? I expect much of controversy surrounding Ender's Game comes from people thinking it did not deserve half the recognition it got.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 09:42
TheBrain
You don't have to like them, personally...I was just pointing out that pedestrian titles don't typically win major awards, much less TWO.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 10:34
LordRegulus
@-D-

I'd argue that the trouble with Advent Rising was the developer's inexperience in balancing interaction with story. When I attended E3 2005, I spoke with Advent's lead designer Donald Mustard for a few minutes (he had mentioned in an interview that they were short on writers and I wanted to offer my services), and he expressed some concern about the difficulty of crafting a rewarding interactive experience that didn't sacrifice story control and dramatic timing. I believe GlyphX was dealing with the same issues that Warren Spector discussed in The Escapist not too long ago. They were reaching into territory that until then belonged solely to Deus Ex, and they were first-timers. I wouldn't be so quick to write off a game based on Card's work just because of those growing pains. I believe Card even admitted to encountering the same difficulties himself.

Of course, Mustard and co. are at it again with Undertow on XBLA, and it only takes one look at the teaser to see that they're still trying for that mythological approach. I hope they can apply what they learned from Advent to avoid some of those pitfalls this time around.
PwnDaddy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 10:50
PwnDaddy
@DrXym

It's controversial cause the military, the damn government, were training kids to command fleets at that low of an age. It was controversial about the whole thought of not even telling them what they were doing, by hiding it under the facade of a game. Even more controversial is the complete genocide of the Formic's. The book did a lot of things to the mind, and at the time no other author was balsy enough to do it.

And if you had even read it, you'd know it kick'ed massive amounts of ass. But seeing as how you responded to the article, I'm going to lump you into the same catagory as "Spent the money to get it to see the next American Pie movie".

Go read it. Then read it again. THEN you may comeb back and post intelligently on the subject.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 11:18
LordRegulus
@DrXym

Mind you, "space marines vs. bugs" was an old premise even before Space Invaders, let alone any recent title you can think of. The fact that Ridley Scott's Alien came out in the seventies did nothing to diminish the quality of Metroid, R-Type, Jet force Gemini, Halo, or any other game featuring vaguely insectoid antagonists. Hell, H. P. Lovecraft beat everyone to the punch back in the forties. Unlike PwnDaddy, I don't doubt that you read the book, but your reasoning for the belief that it wouldn't make a good game needs more justification before it can carry enough weight to change everyone's mind. Which I assume is your intended goal.

@PwnDaddy

Easy there, tiger.
LordRegulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 11:19
LordRegulus
Oh, and H. G. Wells, whom I probably should have remembered first.
DrXym's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 11:24
DrXym
@PwnDaddy, I HAVE read the book, and I thought it was very plodding with unrealistic dialogue and was only saved by the twist ending. I hear people trying to justify the bad dialogue by saying the little kids talked like adults because they're meant to be super geniuses. I think a more likely reason is that the dialogue was just bad. Yes I liked the twist ending, and the story was okay even if I thought it was badly told. And no I didn't think the book warranted the praise heaped upon it.
KyleGamgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 12:20
KyleGamgee
Ender's Game was a GREAT book. If they make a video game, I'll just wait and see what Destructoid Reviews say. I'm so burnt on all the Lord of the Rings games that were made that suck. F*ck EA.

Ender's Shadow was my favorite. Kids in Space!

Hey Ender, what do you think? (If you happen to read this article)
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 12:20
Aaron Mxy Yost
Man, some of you people are getting hard core defensive about this book. Chill out, maybe people have different tastes than you.

@ KilgoreTrout XL:

lol, I know only little about the guy, but what you're stating is kinda a shallow representation of what he's actually said. He's a Mormon, so you might as well be calling nearly every Christian out there bigots. He's actually kinda laid back when it comes to homosexuality compared to most Jesus fanboys. And his deal with global warming has to do more with the cult of scientific dogma. He's got issues with both Darwinism and Intelligent Design for the exact same reason. I don't agree with him much on the topic, but he's got a good point that closing your mind completely to any contrary evidence just because it doesn't support the popular belief is never a wise idea.
christpunchermpls's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 13:12
christpunchermpls
Card kicks ass, Children of the Mind = best book evar!!
even better than Enders Game!!***hides under desk***
Gavin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 14:28
Gavin
I've read several of the books, including the first one as well as other Card works. He is extremely overrated, and I would agree that his work seems very pedestrian to me as well as really derivative. The first Ender book is basically a justification for genocide, and some argue that Card wrote it as an apologia for Hitler. The man is most certainly a biggot and dances on the edge of fascist beliefs.

Did anyone read his Homecoming Saga? It was him ripping off Dune with a bunch of Mormon concepts shoved down your throat at the same time. I'll never purchase another OSC related materials as long as I live. Him and the LDS can take a flying leap up their own anuses.
KilgoreTrout XL's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 14:30
KilgoreTrout XL
Mxyzptlk:

We must have a different definition of "laid back." I'm referring mostly to Mr. Card's thinly veiled rant on gay rights in his "Hypocrites of homosexuality" essay, but I understand his statements there to be a good representation of his worldview. Imprtantly, Just because Mr. Card assures us in that essay that he is not a bigot does not necessarily make it so.

For instance, this quote, one of many, doesn't stike me as particularly tolerant:

"Furthermore, if we allow ourselves to be intimidated by our fear of the world's censure into silence in the face of attempts by homosexuals to make their sin acceptable under the laws of the polity, then we have abandoned our role as teachers of righteousness"

As for Christians and Mormons who ascribe to these views, I never said I wasn't calling them bigots either. And with all due respect, I believe that there's nothing shallow about calling a person what he is. In my opinion, I've hit the nail squarely on the head.

As for global warming, He bashes a poorly-written essay to make it appear as if there's no science behind global climate change at all, when in fact there is a great deal. Wikipedia's climate change entry will direct you to dozens of scholarly articles on the subject, the vast majority of which agree that the problem both exists and is caused in large part by human activity.

Disappointingly, Mr. Card simply parrots the talking points of the right on the subject. The problem with conservative views on global warming is that they demand a level of proof for the phenomenon that can only be attained by changing the world's climate to catastrophic levels.

I'm personally opposed to letting it get bad enough so that there can be no doubt.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 15:36
Aaron Mxy Yost
Funny, Card is a Democrat. Odd that he'd be parroting the right. He's also advocated lowering dependance on oil and researching alternative fuel sources. I'm not going to get into a global warming debate, other than to point out again the problem of scientific dogma. Science should be able to question results, not just blindingly accept what the majority believes. If that was the case, we'd still be stuck in the middle ages. Personally, I think global warming exists, just not to the "ZOMG POLAR BEARS DYING EVERYWHERE DOOM DOOM DOOM" extreme some people would have you believe. Cleaning up the environment and reducing pollution is the smart thing to do, and I don't believe that's an issue with the vast majority of people who have problems with global warming. The issue is how anyone who disagrees in the slightest or questions some of the results is typically thrown under a truck. Science isn't perfect, we learn new things every day. And if we don't question what we believe to be fact, we'll never be able to realize where we may have gone wrong. Take a look at a science textbook pre-1950, a lot of the stuff in there is downright laughable. There's certain scientific laws that hold up time and time again to testing. Those we can take as a given. If there's any questions about global warming, shouldn't we taking a look at those instead of dismissing them as the insane ramblings of tools for big oil? Especially considering we've only been able to accurately measure global temperature patterns for the last 100 years or so?

Compared to the "gays should be dragged behind a truck" crowd, he certainly is laid back. The entire Mormon church is that way, especially compared to say, the Baptists. He's a Christian, and he's been taught it's morally wrong. I don't agree with him at all. But if he thinks his magical sky wizard is telling him that buttsecks is a sin, so be it. Yet he has friends who are gay. Obviously, he tolerates homosexuality to some extent if he still associates with them. I have friends that are assholes about certain things. I don't always agree with some of the stuff they do, but I still remain friends with them because the good outweighs the bad.

Btw, the definition of bigot is as follows:

bigot
n. person with fixed and intolerant belief. A prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from their own.

Perhaps you should go back and read what you posted before you throw that word around, hmm?
KilgoreTrout XL's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 16:22
KilgoreTrout XL
"Parroting the right" refers to his trumpting of the lack of scietific proof of global climate change, where, like I already said, most of the persons worth listening to (scientists) are in general agreement as to its existence and its cause. You can still repeat this line over and over again and still call yourself a democrat. Card can call himself whatever he wants, frankly. (and no, my opinions are not based from Gore's movie, which I have yet to see.)

But maybe you win this one. I'm no scientist, and you're certainly right that scientific theories have been debunked in the past. It just doesn't snow where I live anymore, and my family has been living there for over 100 years. And I find I can wear sandals in November. That shit scares me.

As for your "gays behind a truck" crowd- you've missed the point entirely. First, that isn't the group which has a reasonable chance of refusing gays the rights of others in our society. Second, Card's intolerance comes in the form of "disenfranchisement with a smile," but it is no less severe.

In Card's words:

"This applies also to the polity, the citizens at large. Laws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.

The goal of the polity is not to put homosexuals in jail. The goal is to discourage people from engaging in homosexual practices in the first place, and, when they nevertheless proceed in their homosexual behavior, to encourage them to do so discreetly, so as not to shake the confidence of the community in the polity's ability to provide rules for safe, stable, dependable marriage and family relationships. "

This is bigotry, albeit bigotry dressed up nice and politely.

I appreciate your rather high-handed invitation for me to review and reflect on my ealier comments. I decline, respecfully, to change them. Perhaps you should review yours as well. In doing so, I'd suggest you also peruse the source material upon which you profess such a firm grasp.
Hank S's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 18:15
Hank S
As a scientist who grew up on the Ender's series, it's my opinion that Orson Scott Card falls into the same pitfalls and argumentative fallacies that he rails against when it comes to evolution or global warming. Card says scientists claim Darwinism explains "completely how evolution works." What scientists?!? No contemporary evolutionary biologist would ever argue this. We will say however, that there are gaps in our understanding of evolution, but the point of scientific enquiry is to fill in those gaps! We find new theories that fit evidence better than the existing ones, and unceremoniously toss out the old and except the new. Saying we don't completely understand evolution BY NO MEANS says it's false. Put it this way--we have way more evidence for the processes of evolution and natural selection than we do for gravity, hands down. Gravity is one hell of a mystery, and saying that evolution must be completely false because it's incompletely understood requires you to say that our concept of gravity is completely backwards by the same "logical" reasoning. Our limited understanding of gravity however, works well enough to fly planes from Chicago to Hawaii without falling from the sky. No one questions this simply because there's no political controversy and it doesn't butt heads against religious dogma.

Our understanding of global warming is heading the same way. Card argues that theories against global warming are suppressed by thug-scientists who are part of an "academic orthodoxy that discourages opposing evidence" (My eye sockets bleed at his use of "orthodoxy"). Saying this spreads the misinformation that the theories of global warming are just dogmatic BS imagined by the same thug-scientists to... I don't know... get their 15 minutes of fame? And that's just shameful for someone of his education and stature. Absolutely there's jerks out there who will yell about global warming to their graves no matter what the evidence and politicians who use this to further their campaigns, but they're the loud and corrupt minority that you'll find in populations of every stripe. Focusing on them, which Card does, ignores the vast majority of scientists who repeatedly add to the volumes and volumes of good, hard evidence for our involvement in global warming against the handful of reputable ones who argue against it. If those guys find indisputable evidence against human related global warming then they will absolutely win. Out with the old, in with the new and that is all there is to it. But so far they've got only a few theories and what mostly turns out to be arguments against someone else's work. Card decides to side with them because of what, either a true misunderstanding of the world's hundreds of thousands of scientists, belief in a conspiracy theory of the same, or he just likes polemic arguments to start debates. Whatever his reasonings, by doing so as a public figure he spreads ignorance and mistrust of the wrong people.

And for Mr. Card to say he has homosexual friends, yet believe that they live in sin and should have less human rights than the rest of America and to do so while saying the words "equal citizens within that society"... Sadly yeah, this is the argument of a bigot. A hypocritical if he truly has gay friends, but a bigot none the less. He can never say homosexuality is moral due to his strong believe in the Mormon religion, but when it comes to hanging out with gays who must be of a high enough standard to be his friends, he can apparently forget their lack of equal rights long enough to have them at his dinner table. He needs to pick a camp or admit he's torn between his religious beliefs and his personal bond with his so-called friends.
Aaron Mxy Yost's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/18/2007 18:16
Aaron Mxy Yost
Where did I profess a firm grasp on the source material? I'm going on the little I've read of the guy in interviews and such. I'm never even picked up one of his novels. You've definitely got more background on him than I do. My whole reason for bringing it up in the first place is because you came out of nowhere attacking the guy and calling him stupid and a bigot for his personal beliefs, when that has little or no bearing on the science fiction series he wrote nor the film or video game adaptations. If fiction is to be judged based on author behind it instead of the actual content, we might as well throw out three quarters of the library.

Personally I believe bigotry goes both ways. Being intolerant of someone else over a matter of their faith or politics, no matter how foolish, is as bad as being intolerant of someone else because of their race or sexual orientation in my eyes. I don't believe in god, but at the same time atheists who do nothing but insult and belittle religious folk disgust me. But I also feel it's within their right to believe as such and to yammer on as much as they want. Even Fred "God Hates Fags" Phelps. Card can believe in magic underwear and that his faith should be enforced by law. That doesn't make either of them any more likely of becoming reality. I never had any expectation of changing your mind on the matter, but I did want to point out that that I feel from the words you used you're guilty of the very same bigotry you accuse him of. And I'm sure you don't agree with me on that. That's the beauty of the marketplace of ideas. We can think each other is full of shit, but we can still discuss it civilally.

Once again, you can hate Card all you want for the things he's believes... but what the fuck does any of that have to do with a video game based on his book? Why even bring it up in the first place?

It's been fun debating, but I'm done here for now.
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