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Opinion: Why people who whine about review scores are wankers photo

Nobody likes being disagreed with, and nobody enjoys having something that they like besmirched. However, when it comes to differences of opinion, there is a marked difference between debating the issue and becoming a stupid, whiny crybaby.

Ever since Jeff Gerstmann was fired from GameSpot for his unforgiving review of Kane & Lynch: Dead Men, the subject of honesty and integrity in games media has been a hot button. People were at GameSpot's door with torches and pitchforks, demanding answers and screaming about the broken trust between reviewer and gamer. From the outpouring of support for Gerstmann, one could easily imagine that gamers wanted their reviewers to be frank and open about their opinions, to be able to express themselves without reprisal and share with you their personal thoughts about the videogames they have played.

If you believed that, you were wrong. It seems that gamers don't want honesty at all. They read only what pleases them, and blindly attack anything that contradicts their blinkered views. In truth, there is no difference between them and the game publishers who pull an advertising deal over one bad review. 

There's a stink of corruption coming from the world of games media, and for once it's not coming from the writers. It's coming from the readers. 

Destructoid is a Web site that prides itself on brutally honest review scores, and while it has to be said that a fair few of our readers respect that commitment to integrity, all over the Internet I read complaint after dismaying complaint attacking us for our work. It should come as no surprise that two of our most recent reviews -- Patapon and Condemned 2 -- have proven the inspiration for this article, as the "controversies" surrounding both have reached nigh unprecedented levels of stupidity. Let me tell you a little bit about them.

In the case of Condemned 2, my colleague Reverend Anthony was, shall we say, merciless in his scathing opinions. He wrote an excellent review which very clearly explained his perception of the game and discussed everything he felt was wrong about the title. He rated it a 3, a score which perfectly reflected his writing. He was attacked for it.

Almost exclusively on the basis of the score, his review was called "bad" by people who hadn't even played the game. There were those who accused Anthony of pretending he hated the game for hits, which is about the most ludicrous assumption I ever heard. Nobody who disliked the opinion could seem to grasp the idea that Anthony just didn't like Condemned 2 and rated it accordingly. They had to accuse him of ulterior agendas, they had to insult his ability as a writer, they had to failingly attempt to discredit the entire Web site -- anything to escape dealing with the fact that one man wrote something bad about a videogame they liked.

Patapon was perhaps even more ridiculous, a review which caused outrage even though it gave the game an above average score. The reaction from some of the Dtoid members was laughable enough, but outside of the site, a few of the comments were even worse. There were people who were legitimately stunned by the review, unable to comprehend a difference of opinion, and those who suggested the game needed a higher rating purely because it was "innovative" and that anybody who would dare give Patapon an above average score now "hated innovation."

The Patapon "controversy" pretty much highlights the hypocrisy of the gaming community. People poke fun at IGN and its ilk for sticking to the "seven point scale," where they don't rate a game truly from 1 - 10. Seven is considered "terrible" and eight to nine is "good." People mock this scale and the silly amount of high scores it produces, yet when Destructoid introduces and uses a true ten point scale, where ten is near perfect and one is truly terrible, we are instantly shat upon. On a true ten point scale, Patapon's 6.5 marks it out as above average -- good, but flawed. That's exactly what Patapon is, a good but flawed game. 

But hypocritical gamers contest it because it opposes their personal opinion of the game, and this threatens their frail egos. The lesson we have learned here is that it's great to have a ten point scale, unless it contradicts your own petty little view of a game. If you have ever mocked the "seven to ten" scale and had a problem with our reviews, you're a lying bastard. End of.

It's simply astounding, the depths of idiocy some people will sink to in order to complain about a review. I actually read someone complaining that Super Smash Brothers got a 9.5 instead of a 10 in Edge magazine. This was also before the game was released. Let that sink in for a moment -- someone complained because a game they hadn't played yet was deemed NEARLY perfect instead of COMPLETELY perfect. Since when did the games industry become an episode of that Sweet Sixteen show? Must so many gamers really act like spoiled brats? 

It's become almost epidemic, ever since people went insane because GameSpot (ironic) gave Twilight Princess an 8.9 instead of a 9.0. It seems you can't review a high profile game honestly without incurring the wrath of a lynch mob of angry geeks. Of course, these are the same pricks who threw a tantrum over Aaron giving Halo 3 an 8.5 -- why am I still surprised at their imbecility?  

When I read people whining about review scores, I see a bunch of excuse makers. They cannot handle the idea that someone could hate a game that they enjoy, so they make up reasons as to why the game scored below their expectations -- the reviewer sucks at the game, the reviewer is after hits (which they ironically provide anyway with their crying), the reviewer doesn't matter so hey, let's ignore it (which again, they ironically do not do). In truth, there's no difference between these butthurt readers and the Julian Eggebrechts making excuses for Lair, or the Jeff Minters pulling a hissy fit because Space Giraffe didn't sell.

And maybe I'm "whining" too, but that's fine because I'm a gamer and that's apparently what we do now. However, when I see such blatant hypocrisy, it makes me really disappointed in our "culture." When I see someone demanding a higher score for a game, that's someone essentially begging to be lied to. They WANT everyone to be like CNET, just pleasing whomever they can in lieu of providing honest commentary. Seriously, do you want to be lied to? With some of you, it sounds like this is the case.

If you want honesty in your games media, then prepare to hear some things you don't like. And if you don't like them, that's fine. Nobody is asking you to enjoy our opinions -- what we ask for, and we once tried politely, is for you to be constructive in your disagreement, and to take the opinions of reviewers as simply that -- opinions. Don't quibble over the difference between a 0.5 point discrepancy, that's retarded. Don't make excuses for a bad review, that's pathetic. Just explain why YOU enjoyed the game, and be happy that you DO enjoy it. Is that really so hard? Must you resort to telling us how "furious" you are? Why are you furious? What was actually so enraging about a gamer's opinion being different from yours?

Obviously, the group of people (and this isn't aimed at everyone) I address in this article is made up of mewling spastics, so let me make it very clear -- it is fine if you don't like a review, just stop being fucking RETARDED about it

I don't know how much more plain I can make it. The point is, people are different, we have to accept that. I never much agreed with Nex's review of Call of Duty 4, myself. I think he'd given the online perk system more heat than it was due, and I informed him of this -- intelligently and with some class and respect. What I didn't do was say he was a crap writer and demand a "better" reviewer who would "give it a higher score." I didn't hurl stupid accusations, like the person who implied Nex's review had negative points in it because he was a "Halo fanboy," which is hilarious in its own right. Sometimes I think a game gets more praise than it deserves, sometimes I think a game is unfairly rated -- what can ya do? Get personally offended? Are you that sensitive?

So there you go. If you actually want some honesty, then actually learn what a review is -- it's someone's opinion of a videogame. Stop treating it like its your sole emotional crutch and stop getting so angry, as if you've been insulted personally. Decide what you actually want from your games media -- you either want a real ten point scale where all the numbers are used, or you want everything to score an eight. You either want to hear what someone really thinks about a title, or you want to be lied to. Either you want Jeff Gerstmann, or you want CNET.

I'm almost on CNET's side sometimes, when I think about the way some of you react to real honesty. Considering the stupid bullshit we've had to read regarding real videogame reviews, accepting cash for a glowing appraisal suddenly doesn't seem so bad.

So, if you were one of the bitches who acted like morons over Condemned 2, Patapon or anything else, don't ever complain if you one day see us accepting a check from EIDOS.

You waived the moral high ground on that one.


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Churchhills Dog's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:44
Churchhills Dog
I disliked Condemned 2 and completely agreed with the review but fostering an "us-vs-them" attitude is going to lead to bad feelings all around.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:48
slapme7times
Maybe rejection will teach you to lie and fit in.

it's what the people want.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:49
Jim Sterling
Churchills: It's not like being reasonable with that group of people works. We tried. Linde worked very hard. But we're talking about people who pick and choose what they read to keep up the charade that certain people are too "biased" and whatever else they want to dream up.
Ali D's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:52
Ali D
Jim's right; a review is one person's opinion. If you can't see beyond that fact, good luck on fitting into society.
Remz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:52
Remz
Agreed with every word, Screw charles or those other royal family members, Sterling for king!
Pagster's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:53
Pagster
lol are you trying to reason with thess people? C'mon most of them are like 12 year old fanboys anyway. Its the internet Jimbob, its where these people live, there no getting away from them.
evil chad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:56
evil chad
"There's a stink of corruption coming from the world of games media, and for once it's not coming from the writers. It's coming from the readers."

Many problems we face come from the readers/players of the games. review scores, pffft. if only it were that simple. When gamers blindly buy X game because it is part of a series (im not referring to triple A titles here) it adds money to the pockets of businesses who then believe they can sell the same slop over and over again. thats a separate rant so ill stay on subject. the problem comes truly as a society. People in general are spitted and roasted for the slightest misstep in words. it just also has spread to games now. Fortunately you guys have a delete button for your inbox to wipe out the negativity.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 05:59
slapme7times
oh, there's a delete button for negative people in the real world, evil chad, it's called a shotgun :)
razerangel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:02
razerangel
Maybe we should just have a blank page for review with a little instruction at the top "write what you think the review should say below", that would solve this asanine problem.
slapme7times's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:03
slapme7times
hmm... internet society = mute/kick/ban

physical society = jail/prison/ execution

pretty sure there's scarlet lettering in both worlds.
Aertyr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:06
Aertyr
Some people can't handle giving a bad review to a big name Sterling. I'm glad you took your stand, maybe others will follow your example.
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:09
Knives
I wonder how long you've been holding on to these words Jim. I agree with you but this won't fix anything, it will probably just "infuriate" people because they'll feel personally attacked.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:09
Orionsaint
no i won't deal with it. you're not gonna make me feel depressed about my $65 dollar investment. mr review man hehe.
gingerbreadben's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:11
gingerbreadben
I'd have to say you hit every point exactly.

I remember watching that review over Kane & Lynch and I found it to be a very truthful review.

But yeah, I'd have to agree with Pagster. The internet is home to many trolls. Most of 'em don't even know what the hell their talking about.

I'm glad Destructoid has awesome review with that are completely honest in opinion. That's my only concern.

:D
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:13
WDot
That's why Metacritic exists, so that you can see a wide range of reviews and opinions. You look at a few of the good and a few of the bad and you get an idea of the game is worth it.

Also, if you already bought/preordered the game, reviews shouldn't matter: They're there to inform people who haven't been obsessing about it on forums for months already.
Fiat Mediocrity's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:13
Fiat Mediocrity
I think you guys do a great job of reviewing. Even if I think you were full of shit, you're doing your job by giving me your unbiased opinion.

I find fun games fun and if that game happens to fall out of Jim Sterling or Reverend Anthony's fun Van Diagram, so be it. They have different tastes than I do.
Maritimes's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:13
Maritimes
Don't take this the wrong way, and by saying so I'm included in the group, but Internet commenters are retarded by nature. If you dont beleive me visit youtube.... No seriously, any video out of the millions.... everyone is a study in retarded half-opinions and whinging vitriol.

Just keep doing what you're doing with the reviews. Lord knows some people are beyond help.
crunks's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:21
crunks
I give this post an 8/10
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:23
njsykora
Just use the same score justification Edge do. 10=ten, 9=nine, 8=eight and so on. Then just let people decide for themselves what that means.

Or hammer this single piece of information into people's heads. A score of 5 is average.
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:25
Boolean
Brav-fucking-O. It needed to be said.

I have a question though that was kinda touched on in the last podcast - it seems nearly all the editors are not in favor of having a numerical summary slapped onto the end of the review, with the rebuttal always being "the number is so we can be syndicated into Metacritic". My question is, who gives a fuck about Metacritic? Isn't this sites integrity to do reviews how they want more important than being in a list on some website? Is Dtoid really that desperate for traffic that editors hatred for numerical scores is outweighed by the need to get into some list with the big boys?

Fuck metacritic up the ass if it means getting rid of the numerical scores. I don’t see why Dtoid has such a life giving allegiance to it in the first place.
MaSuTa's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:27
MaSuTa
I signed up for Destructoid because of this article.

All I have to say about the article is "thank you."
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:28
catsithx
everyone moans and complains they'll live and life will go on. oh yeah I give this a 8.8
glipe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:37
glipe
Sounds to me like you've just discovered that a lot of people on the internet are idiots, something that I'm pretty sure you should have realised a long while back. I pay attention to them as much as Jack Thompson, Macca's one-legged gold-digger and the individual segments of formed plastic packaging.

There's no point whining back, or even thinking about it too much. If they don't understand reviews, why do you think talking more will change their minds. Your rant will not change anything, just give them a forum on which to whine some more.
Dead Movie Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:38
Dead Movie Star
You got your self a solid 7 right there, Sterling, good job.
kobiyashi's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:40
kobiyashi
I love you, Jim Sterling.
Drunken Haze's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:47
Drunken Haze
I agree, people who dont give constructive critisism are stupid retards!

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Jetsetlemming's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:48
Jetsetlemming
tl;dr.

Also, I got the feeling at least half the people bitching in the Condemned review were just doing it for the fuck of it, inspired by the angry rants in the podcast over the Patapon review comments. In other words, trolls. You tend to attract them if you act pissy.
reticulate's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:51
reticulate
I logged in for the first time in fucking ages just to agree with you, good sir.

The fact that metacritic has to adjust for the 7-10 scale when weighting reviews should be indication enough that this shit is broken.

Kudos to dtoid and anyone else that actually uses a ratings metric for what it was supposed to be used for.
HopelessHindu's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:51
HopelessHindu
Howdy.
While granted that the 7-10 vs 1-10 comprehension discrepancy results in preconceived-notion-bubble-bursting, and setting aside my disagreeing with the Patapon review because I read it completely and it SOMEWHAT echoes qualms 9.0s and "high score" reviewers had with it, I feel that the same wrath you throw at people who get mad that a score should be higher should also be thrown at people who read your "above average" review score, and comment "oh, i guess i won't be getting that game now!" or "i was really on the fence, but now i'll save my money! Thanks. great review".
The problem, I guess, is that people don't let what they read bounce around in their mind, settle a bit, and them comment online. Even if you disagree, go to other sites, do a quick Google/Metacritic search and see what others have to say, and then come back.
The same argument you use for people who disparage your review can also go for many, many people who agree with it. Save your time, and don't berate people who are just getting their online-commenting-legs and focus on articles that are lucid and different than other website.
Jim, you usually do that, so keep it up and keep your head above the fray. I know it is hard to see something you worked hard on, like a review, get trashed, but what can you do?
Tata
joepaniic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 06:57
joepaniic
dude, you put a comment section under the review, you forget this is the internet? i never bash someones review ( cant really prove that an opinion is wrong ), but im not shocked that alot of people complained, thats what people do best. lol.
John B's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:04
John B
Nicely said, Jim! People need to realize that all reviews are nothing more than opinions and need to be treated as such. Even high-brow movie reviewers whose only job is to summarize as "thumbs up/down" are only giving you their opinions.

For those who truly doubt, download the demo BEFORE buying.

Better yet, instead of being the first-on-the-block to buy it, wait a little bit and let other gamers give their reviews before rushing out buy. If you insist on being on the bleeding edge of gaming and it turns out that the reviews that you've read are not within your expectations, that's your problem for rushing out and buying it instead of waiting to get a balanced view from others.

Don't let the trolls bother you, Jim.
drglyndwr's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:08
drglyndwr
In related news, people are shit. Mpegs at 11.

Personally I hope dtoid sticks to these crushing reviews, it's a big part of the site's character. Plus, y'know, all those hits on controversial reviews must be great for the ad revenue! Not to mention the revenue this page will generate once the flamewars kick off. In fact, as a public service, I think we should get some PS3 vs 360 discussion on here too. Not PC though -- PC gaming is dead. Oh, and the Wii is for kiddies and peados.

There you go Jim, hopefully, that's stirred up the internet enough to buy you a new <something> to help cheer you up about the dismal state of mankind.

Yes, I'm joking about the ad renue thing too. I know Jim discussed that. Duh.
Velt's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:18
Velt
Im going to tell you a story about stupid people, gather around my chillens:

One time I played a game for ten minutes on my PC, I said it wasnt a review, it was more of a bashing than a review for the title because I could only play it for ten minutes, and then I deleted it from the hard drive.
The game was a port for the PC of a console game, a fairly known one. I hated it because I THOUGHT the story was stupid, and the gameplay was not only poorly ported from the console enviroment to the PC, but plain bad. Also the lack of options for a PC game make it feel like a japonese game... I said what I thought about it, mostly that lack of obvious options like adjusting the sensitivity of my mouse made it unnplayable and that the game felt unnfinished, unnpolished and that it didnt innovate a single thing.
It happend in this site.

The game is Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. A couple of guys who played the console version and not the PC version that I was playing commented saying I knew nothing about videogames.

People like to say things about stuff they know a shit about. I see it all the time. They live in their own universe when they are right just because that universe would implode if they found out that they are not. But to be right, to have a good opinion you need some fundamentals, like the experience of playing a game fo example, then objectivity.

And that is what lacks most of the time in the comments about a review: objectivity, and I will add perspective.
bahss's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:23
bahss
I do agree with you Jim, But It's funny you're still going on about this. I understand that you're upset about it, But what you've already said in the podtoid is enough. Destructoid is an exercise in free speech and with free speech, you have to accept the good and the bad. Nobody likes having their hard work criticized the way you and Rev Ant have been for those reviews. But, don't generalize all gamers as "whiny" and "spoiled" because a select few people decide to be trolling cunts. It's not what "we" do, It's what "they" do.
Netrat33's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:23
Netrat33
When basically your review states "Don't buy a game" because it didn't met your needs for a game, you're opening your own can of worms. This is especially true if there is a cult following on it. You have TWO review points: 10 pt scale and a forget, rent, and buy. I DO feel that is a good backup to cover your own feelings of a game. It's not possible to expect every game you play mets your tastes.

But you already admitted you didn't like Condemned that much. So now you review Condemned 2? There is a fan base that likes the game A LOT. And you as game reviewers owe it to your audience to make sure the right person is reading it. I freaking hate realistic driving games. I didn't really like GT4, but I'm going to give GT5 a review saying it sucks and don't buy it? What!? As a reviewer it should be stated, "I don't like it. But there is a fan base out there so you might want to rent it first"
Crapsh00t's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:26
Crapsh00t
It's a problematic scenario, and of course in a user driven community such as our own many are going to feel entitled to "review" the reviewer, as it were. However, in the end it's really not worth becoming self-defensive as an individual or as a website-entity, as that merely gives those your attackers feedback as to what works best.

To respond to any counterpoints (from other websites or from our users) merely validates them and encourages them. While genuine discourse is laudable and something that makes Destructoid great, having immature and ad-hominem arguments bouncing back and forth and being fostered by additional front page posts does not do us any service at all.
joepaniic's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:30
joepaniic
o, and btw, please dont hate all the users, some of us dont act like idiots. ~_^
bahss's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:36
bahss
@ Crapsh00t

Quite.
mrlokievil's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:36
mrlokievil
Don't ask people to give you respect and constructive criticism and then turn around and call them fucking retarded whiners. I don't get why the editors of this site get so upset when some commenter calls them out. I've seen editors get all pissy and then start to insult. Take the high road and ignore them. If you guys were truly confident in your work you wouldn't feel the need to defend it. No other blog that I have visited bitches as much about their readers as you guys do.

If someone upsets you just sit back and laugh that there comment and visit to your site is paying you guys to do the thing that they are complaining about.
Anus Mcphanus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:38
Anus Mcphanus
This kind of thing happens everywhere. How many times have you hated on or heard someone hating on a band that was "emo" without really listening to their music/albums? Similarly with movies, how many of them have you heard were crap from people who haven't seen it but just happen to really like the hot girl/guy who gets naked in it?

It's a shame that todays society feels the need to squash any opinion that differs from their own. It's also a shame that said people probably won't read this article.

I'm with Boolean though. Fuck metacritic if that's the only reason for keeping the numerical score. Or maybe lowering the scale to 1-5 might stop the fanboys....

I love the reviews and kudos Jim for laying this out there! It had to be said even if it maybe in vain.

Oh and this game is AWESOME! you guys SUCK! I will definitely be picking this game up tomorrow!!
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:43
MaxVest
Jim, this view is cruel, and let me explain why. Half of all people are below average intelligence. And half of those, more than 1.5 billion, are in the bottom quarter.

Then you go and say:
it is fine if you don't like a review, just stop being fucking RETARDED about it.
Well, Mr. Sterling, that simply isn't an option for everyone. It's like criticizing a quadriplegic for being lazy, or a dwarf for being hard to shop for.

And because they aren't the brightest bulbs, these guests often mistake, "I cannot find a coherent thread of logic in your argument; did you even read any of this, including your own comment?" as "I'm on the brink of being convinced; just keep saying the same thing, but louder." The only thing you can do at this point is break out the macaroni and glitter, and make soothing noises.
Mizruko's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:45
Mizruko
Ive disagree'd with many a destrutoid review but the reasons i come here to read those reviews are because they are always fair well thought out and always back up their claims. I cannot however say the same for some of the mongoloids who post pointless and often offensive comments directed at the reviewer who was only voicing his opinion.
arun6004's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:48
arun6004
Why don't you just ignore the negative commentators? Isn't it easier than writing a whiny column? And if you think you're column wasn't whiny - well you could start by ignoring me...
i tolerate you's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:51
i tolerate you
This is my first post at D-toid even though I've been a reader for a long time now.

Jim. I agree whole heartedly with your article, but I think we're missing something. The odd thing about gamers and people who review games is that at heart we're all gamers. You can have someone like me (which is like a lot of us gamers out there) who has grown up playing games. We've seen all the new stuff come around. The leap to 3-D, the next generation of next generation consoles, etc.

A lot of us are in tune with the history of gaming and the intricacies and nuances of games. We're also in tune with the part of that history that has affected how things are today and how those play into what makes a game good or great.

The big catch is we're not all writers, journalists like yourselves. We're not subject to the same rules of objectivity you guys are supposed to be following. This is where the big separation is.

Since we all share the common background of being gamers shouldn't we all be qualified and have our opinions be absolute? No. Because most of us have our heads too far up our own asses and can't be objective. That an article like this was even written about us gamers is proof of that, and it's about time someone said something and this distinction was made. If you want your opinions to matter you need to detach yourselves and stop being subjective. Start there. Then you won't take this stuff so damn personal.

We should thank Jim for throwing this back at the community, not be attacking him. I'd also like to thank those of you who made the comments that inspired Jim to write this. You all have reaffirmed why I do listen to reviewers even though I may personally not agree with them.
Soulhammer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:55
Soulhammer
I have to agree with every word in this post. While I did not personally agree with the Condemned 2 review, it was still well written and actually made me like the game more. All of the things that Rev said he didnt like about the cheap scares and things like that were things that I enjoyed.

The key is to understand that you can never please everyone, ever. It will never happen. You could be the most beautiful woman in the world and offer BJ's to every man on the planet and eventually some prick would complain about something, like not be first or having to wait in line.

People who base their game purchases or opinions soley on reviews deserve to get frustrated and look like butthurt babies, serves them right for making a decision based on someone elses opinion.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:57
AgentMOO
I heart dtoid reviews; fuck all those naggers who want the 6-10 scale.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:58
Snaileb
I can't believe Metacritic is taking Rev's reviews seriously. In all honesty, I can't see giving a game a 4.0 (Condemned, Zelda) unless the game is complete and utter shit, gameplay and graphics wise. And I say Rev because the Destructoid reviews are phenominal, but nit picking a game below an average rating is retarded.

And if you start ranting on about "looking at the review and not the score" I'm going to pop you one and tell you not to review a game with a score if it means so little.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 07:58
Jim Sterling
I should point out that this article is not intended to "fix" anything. We tried that. I've tried that. Being reasonable and talking to these people doesn't work, so now I'm just letting off steam on behalf of our review team. It felt good to write, and frankly, if it pisses anyone off -- good. S'what they get for trying to suck the joy at doing something we love.

Thanks for the comments guys. Nice to see only the smart people seem to have woken up so far.
Snaileb 's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 08:05
Snaileb
Nice smarmy comment there sir sterling. Doesn't take much for you to bust a nut when it comes to telling off your readers who disagree with an opinion of a review, huh? I thought all you chaps were supposed to be classy.
marco75's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/18/2008 08:06
marco75
In my mind there are two kind of "bad" reviews:

a) A review that condemns or praises a game without explaining why.

b) A review that rates an average game higher than 7/10, thus misleading the buyer into purchasing a disappointing title.

In my mind, reviews have a useful purpose: They tell me what a title is about, what it is like to play, how long it would last, and give me an idea on wether I would enjoy it.

As a little exercise, I calculated the average score of the 10 most recent scores on destructoid (accessed 18 March 2008): It is 6.95.

This may seem to indicate that destructoid adheres to the 7 - 10 review scale, but not so quick! They just saved every Baseball fan who reads this collum from buying an average baseball game, and keep looking for something better. Not to mention protecting everyone who appreciates honesty from Condemned and Army of Two.

It's also good to see that they are willing to give a game 10/10. Other review systems automatically deduct half a point from every game ever reviewed.

Personally, I think the point system is a bit artificial... I would rather read a two-line summary and/or the aspects the reviewer liked or disliked listed as + and - bullet points.
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