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4:00 PM on 08.07.2009 | Jim Sterling

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Opinion: Not talking about Final Fantasy XIV photo

#Final Fantasy #Rant #Square Enix

There's been a lot of news swimming around concerning Final Fantasy XIV, the MMO successor to Final Fantasy XI that was announced at E3. This is news I've looked at, but have absolutely zero intention of talking about. I'm not going to mention the races, the classes, the screenshots, any of that rubbish. At least, not right now.

I've come to the conclusion that Final Fantasy XIV should not be talked about until Final Fantasy XIII is released. To me, the idea of announcing a sequel to a game that isn't even out yet is absolutely ludicrous. Square Enix loves to churn out Final Fantasy games at an insane rate, but the announcement of XIV was almost a self-parody. It's no wonder Square Enix takes six years to make a game when it keeps getting sidetracked by other projects.

It's not even like Final Fantasy XIII is one game. It's just one chapter in the Final Fantasy Nobula Crystallis Kukaracha Novella Texas BBQ Pringles Yo Gabba Gabba series that was announced like, six years ago. Three games announced over half a decade ago, not one of them released, and we're talking about the next project? Oh no, I'm not falling into that trap.

Square Enix, stop filling your plate and give people time to anticipate something before announcing the next thing. Oh, and stop publishing utter crap like Infinite Undiscovery in between. Note also that this is just my personal opinion and doesn't reflect the opinions of the rest of the Dtoid staff, who are far less bitter and cynical than I am.

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D-503

Agreed

Jumbo

Shhhh

EternalDeathSlayer

Agreed

TewDee

The problem is, none of the FF games are sequels to each other, except FFX to FFX-2 and FFTA to FFTA2 (I think). I'd also assume S-E has two different teams working on them because making an MMO is so much more then a single player RPG. If I also recall, FFX and FFXI were released around the same time, or at least announced.

garison

I was just thinking of making a post similar to this yesterday. It is silly to announce even before thirteen is even released.

Aurain

Jim. Seeing as Europe always has a long delay for Final Fantasy titles, and Final Fantasy 14 is aiming for a simultaneous release worldwide in 2010. What's your opinion on the rather feasible possibility of 14 releasing before 13 in some parts of the world?

Andrew Kauz

One could argue that, technically, Final Fantasy XIV is really the successor to Final Fantasy XI, which means it's totally OK to talk about it. On a related note: seriously Square, stop loving numbers so much. Why not give this thing a different name, like Final Fantasy Online 2?

Regardless, I have no problem at all with you not talking about the game. I'd much rather hear all of your thoughts on Final Fantasy XV, which is going to be way better.

donkeykong

You don't need the "Kukaracha Novella Texas BBQ Pringles Yo Gabba Gabba", I've never heard that before even. It's just called Final Fantasy Nobula Crystallis. Idiot.

Steve Vice

Well FFXIV is less of a "sequel", if you can call it that in the final fantasy universe, and more like a poorly titled entry. There should be something to distinguish it as an MMO. Or perhaps they think they'll fare better by simply numbering and tricking people into buying "the next final fantasy"...those cheeky basterds

Holiday

Agreed. We've waited for FF XIII long enough. I don't even want to think about any higher Roman numerals.

manasteel88

actually I don't think Infinite Undiscovery was the total crap reviewers made it out to be. Its completely mediocre in almost everything it does...but it wasn't crap. Plus they didn't even use any in house dev teams to make it so it has no effect on any square enix game.

FFXIV is bs though. say what you will, but its just FFXI with a shinier gloss. They haven't revealed one detail so far that shows how it is conceptually different from FFXI. at least the core FF games present themselves in a different light each game (for better or worse in some instances).

Tubatic

huh?

But its Final Fantasy. Their parts don't touch.

And its the MMO line of Final Fantasy. Its way different. The products have two very different audiences.

Wait... ah ok, its Jim. Carry on.

Scary Womanizing Pig Mask

I feel like it's different, since 14 isn't a true part of the series.

Shukov

Personally I think its a great idea. Final Fantasy XI was amazing at the time of its release (for those that are into these sorts of games) and still has some fight in it, but the game itself has some dated. With the release of newer mmorpgs (WoW, Aion, etc.) SE can take their concept of XI, update it to newer gaming standards and make one hell of an mmorpg. Time of release has nothing to do with it- they are simply exciting a thirsty fan base looking for something better.

Hero Protagonist

This post is obviously breaking, front-page, Pulitzer prize worthy news.

Jim Sterling

"This post is obviously breaking, front-page, Pulitzer prize worthy news."

Destructoid is obviously a Web site where you post breaking, front-page, Pulitzer prize worthy news.

grafkhun

It is quite ridiculous, and for me, this is the last straw for square. The wait for XII wasn't worth it, I didn't bother finishing the game, just didn't grab me. So if XIII doesn't knock my socks off then I really won't be harboring any participation for anymore FF games. It's one thing to take your time, but it's another to juggle a tons of projects at once and not meeting expectations for any of them. The FF13 trio crystal saga or whatever better be damn good, because waiting this long just for a real glimpse of it is getting out of hand.

If squares going to keep on making like 15 games (half of those ports/remakes) at one time then I'm just not going to bother keeping up with them.

Los255

"I feel like it's different, since 14 isn't a true part of the series."

I feel the exact same way.

But it feels like FF14 is getting more coverage and more info is spilling out than 13.

Jim Sterling

"If squares going to keep on making like 15 games (half of those ports/remakes) at one time then I'm just not going to bother keeping up with them."

That's the main point of my post right here, thank you. Square's eyes seem bigger than its belly right now. I'm fairly certain half its games would be finished quicker if it didn't keep announcing shit all the time.

brainderailment

Okay, we don't have to mention FFXIV, but can we talk about FFXV?

Hero Protagonist

"Destructoid is obviously a Web site where you post breaking, front-page, Pulitzer prize worthy news."

No, it's not, but it's usually at leaast news and not just some bullshit declaration of personal opinion.

I don't like the Final Fantasy franchise at all, and I don't care if you cover it at all. But you seem to be suffering from Summa Syndrome, using the front page as a soap box.

SSKudu

"You don't need the "Kukaracha Novella Texas BBQ Pringles Yo Gabba Gabba", I've never heard that before even. It's just called Final Fantasy Nobula Crystallis. Idiot."

...either this is some humour that has gone over my head or.. I don't really want to think of the alternative.

I think the thing that makes this a silly situation is more that S-E is choosing to give FFXIV a numbered title, when it's obviously a spin-off, and the same can be said about FFXI.

Rezeak

I'd agree with you if the FF series related to each other in some way but the at the end of the day each FF is it's own game and the only thing connecting them is the few basic things like them being jrpgs chocobos ect ect but plot lines, setting and charaters are completely inderpentant from each other.

On a side note FF14 aculy has been in production longer than 13 and the team were saying it could of been FF15 depending on the time it was released but since they now have a deaddline they were given the last FF +1 title.

I consider FF11 and 14 as a part of the series cause unlike alot of MMORPGs FFXI and FFXIV(very likly and been said somewhere) will be heavly story based like all other FFs the only thing that is different is that you design the main charater for your story and your not a overpowered super hero (in compasion to the other charaters in the game).

Vigilante8

They take too long on a game and when it comes out it's not even something revolitionary...it's just the same old forumula with some minor changes...Not even the zelda games take that long to come out after announced...

Jim Sterling

"No, it's not, but it's usually at leaast news and not just some bullshit declaration of personal opinion. "

Actually, we do opinion articles all the time. This is just a more short-form version of one, which we've done in the past. Now if you're done telling me how to do my job, I'll let you get back to yours, sweetcheeks.

Steve Vice

"But it feels like FF14 is getting more coverage and more info is spilling out than 13."

I think thats pretty natural seing as one is a very story driven game, people pretty much know the deal with the combat system and stuff now, they shouldn't start spilling story elements.

An MMO on the otherside pretty much has to vomit every last piece of info onto the net to even have a chance to catch the attention of the MMO crowd. 13 will do most of its own promotion being that its a core title. 14 has a lot more work being successful in its market.

garison

@scarywomanizingpigmask: If it's not a true part of the series, why is SE treating fourteen like it is? I think they should give the FF MMOs a different name or something.

funran

I agree that it's stupid to talk about 14 before 13, but i think this is the ONE example where its okay. The MMO genre stands alone, and this game SHOULD be called Final Fantasy Online 2 (XI being 1). But it's just a name, and also not a full single player FF that your comparing it to. I'm fucking excited about this, I really liked FFXI, and I think that applying everything they've learned about MMO's since this release will be good for the game.

Jim Sterling

I disagree that it being an MMO somehow exonerates Square. It's still a fully-fledged game and considered a fully-fledged chapter in the Final Fantasy series.

citaro

I am waaaay more excited for XIV than XIII. The difference? XIII looks like the typical melodramatic Tetsuya Nomura bullshit. XIV is the modernization of XI, an MMO that, while incredibly difficult, was deep and satisfying, particularly with a good party. It should be called FF Online or something, but it's not. Calling for a moratorium on an awesome looking game because Square can't name worth a damn (KH spinoffs, I'm looking at you) is silly.

Aurain

FF14 is a full member of the numbered chronology. Just like 11. Like it or Leave it =/

I also think that it's kind of backward to have an MMO as a major entry.
Especially when the Exceptional Final Fantasy Tactics is relegated to Sub-series.

Hero Protagonist:

How many other gaming sites let you have your opinion like Destructoid?
Alot of Websites wouldn't even consider letting Community Members have a Front-page article. Destructoid does it all the time. I've always been of the impression that Destructoid was as much about expression of opinion as it was Gaming news. If Community Members can get their Opinions on the front page, Why can't Jim have his Opinion on the Front page too, you know, seeing as he's employed by Destructoid.

Oncomouse

I think Square made a mistake including MMOs in the numbered series. I know it's all just semantics, bit it breeds animosity. They do keep too many irons in the fire, but stunts like this make things worse.

ChickenNow

@Jim Sterling:

I'm sorry but this argument makes absolutely no sense. I think you're failing that this is a Final Fantasy only in the title, and is NOT a sequel to XII... They just named it this way to brand it properly and sell it to a wider public... Would you rather have it called with some random spin-off name like the Crystal Chronicles games have been doing? I don't.

XIV is a sequel to XI which is a pretty old game. This and the XIII dev teams are completely different and XIV has been worked on for a long time now.

I really don't see your point... Would you have complained as much if it was named differently/not numbered?

Hero Protagonist

@Jim:
The problem is that your "opinion piece" is directly contradictory to your stated goal. You state that you don't want to talk about subject X, so rather than pursing such a course you grandstand about it on the front page, inciting the very conversation that you claim you want to avoid.

Obviously the rational response.

Usually your sensationalist malarkey can be ignored, but you've managed to managed to top yourself. Well done.

In closing, you're the testicular cancer that is ruining the internats.

P.S. In before nerd rage accusations.

ChickenNow

Sorry lots of typos in my post, I hope you got the point (not from an English speaking country... .__. )

flabzilla

Yeah it's kind of insane, although maybe they want to avoid dissapointing people this time.
When 11 was announced as an MMO a large majority of the fanbase where dissapointed in not wanting the next installment of there favorite game series.

But they could simply avoid this by not making it part of the numbered series..

Marioland

Seriously. Even it's PS3 exclusivity was a lie. How Squeenix expects us to talk so early about the whole game? Sometimes, marketing stunts of the gaming industry makes me puke moogles.

ChickenNow

@Oncomouse: I have to agree that the MMOs should not have been part of the numbered series.

However, I think dissing on a game because you don't like the way is titled is very immature and unprofessional.

Hero Protagonist

@Aurain:

It's not the fact that this is an opinion piece. Opinion pieces like the RevRants, or the memory card, etc... are fine and have their place. The problem with this post is 3-fold;
1) It's Jim's usual sensationlist garbage.
2) His stated intent is directly contradictory to the expected outcome.
3) It's an opinion piece.

If it were any 1 of these it wouldn't be a big deal, the fact that it's all 3 is just sad.

Jim Sterling

"Usually your sensationalist malarkey can be ignored, but you've managed to managed to top yourself. Well done."

I'm glad that you've been so unable to ignore this that you keep coming back. It must be strange to live in a land where you're forced to read and comment on articles.

"In closing, you're the testicular cancer that is ruining the internats."

I didn't realize the internats had testicles. If you're anything to go by, I'd have said it's actually full of pussies.

ParaParaKing

The problem is that FF14 may be released prior to FF13 in the US. So of course SE has to talk about it.

Hero Protagonist

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, Jim. Just do better next time.

Jim Sterling

"However, I think dissing on a game because you don't like the way is titled is very immature and unprofessional."

I'm not dissing on the game at all. I think it has potential to be a good MMO. I just think Square Enix should clear some of the shit that's already on its plate before piling on more stuff.

Jim Sterling

"I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, Jim. Just do better next time."

I'm sorry I wasted a good comeback on you if this is my reward.

Solgrim

Well, I hope someone continues to report on it from Destructoid.

Crunshii

So... this is not a post about FFXIV...

how about you post more "No FF14" pictures? u know u can't post "No things" without the things you are saying No to. :)

PappaDukes

I couldn't agree more. I am not a fan of MMOs at all, so when they announced FF XIV at E3, my heart sank at the inevitable thought of how FF XIII's release date will suffer because of it.

bustaballs

People who claim FF MMOs shouldn't be titled as a main numbered FF game obviously haven't played FFXI for very long at all. The story/s in FFXI is top notch and deserves to be in the main series just as much as VI, VII, VIII, X, and XII do.

ChickenNow

@bustaballs: I loved XI and agree that the story were top notch. A different title would have kept the same story. I never said it wasn't as good quality of the others.

In fact, my humble opinion, they've all been shit from VIII onwards (VIII specifically) were shit, except for XI

Jim Sterling

"In fact, my humble opinion, they've all been shit from VIII onwards"

And I can't help but feel that if they worked on their games one at a time, instead of announcing a billion things at once, maybe they'd return to the days where they'd craft a good story.

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