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Opinion: Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe: Where is the love at? photo

When it was revealed last week that the big secret Ed Boon and the boys were clutching so close was the announcement of a Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe game, the reception here at Destructoid seemed lukewarm at best. Actually, scratch that... most of you pretty much panned it as a joke.

Considering that MK was single-handedly responsible for birthing the ESRB in the first place, that stance was somewhat understandable. Fatalities and blood are very much a staple of Mortal Kombat games. To learn that they may not be a part of the next installment in the series is a major disappointment. However, I just can't see how that alone is going to change the overall enjoyment of the game. All things considered, there's no reason why MK vs. DCU can't melt your face off -- even if you are a gore-whore.

Get your pitchforks ready (my saber is already drawn), and hit the jump: 

First and foremost, let's take a closer look at Boon's choice of combatants. Ever taken the time to pick up a DC comic and read it through? Chances are that you'd soon realize that the DC universe isn't exactly all rainbows and ponies. In fact, things can get downright gritty at times. Believe it or not, people die, make tough choices, and even suffer from the same recognizable personality flaws that exist in real life. On top of that, DC characters range from the intellectually and athletically gifted, to flat out awe-inspiring powerful. Best of all, most of them have stood the test of time, and have tons of backstory for writers to pull from. Speaking of writers...

The whole Marvel thing has already been done (and was successful), and there's no reason why Batman and his friends can't offer up a quality experience on their own. Familiar comic writers Jimmy Palmiotti (Painkiller Jane, Marvel Nights, Jonah Hex, 21 Down) and Justin Gray (Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight, JLA Classified, Punisher Red X-Mas, The Resistance) are on hand to make that the game is true to the characters.  Brace yourselves, as it gets better. Ever heard of Alex Ross? He's in charge of the design direction of the game. Still doubting the DC tie-in? You shouldn't.

The other thing that has caused many a MK fan to get their panties in a wad is the teen rating the game is shooting for, and how that is going to effect the final game. Yes, it appears that fatalities and blood are going be absent from the game, as DC seems to be firmly against having their characters subjected to it. So in what direction is Ed Boon trying to go with this? Well it appears that he may be toying with the idea of rebooting the series. Comic aficionados should be all too familiar with that scenario, as it has happened many times throughout comic history. But enough about the comic side. What are gamers  (and the MK faithful) going to get out of this?

According to Ed Boon, the chance to play through some impressive match-ups between epic characters. There will still be spectacular finishing moves (however toned-down they may be), and the new Freefall Kombat system is MK's way of further evolving the brand. You won't be ripping out spines, but it's nice to know that you can battle your way through multi-tiered environments, even while in mid-air. The Klose Kombat mode -- which like the name implies -- will zoom in on both combatants, as they trade blows (both defensively and offensively) and test their pugilism skills Mortal Kombat style. None of this sounds even remotely fun to you?

Some things may be different, but all things considered, it's still going to be a Mortal Kombat game. Knowing the track record of the previous ones, I'm expecting nothing less than another good time, and I applaud the decision to make this title a reality. Excessive gore or not, this game has the potential to rock as much as any other fighting game has -- and even surpass a few. All involved just need to listen to each other's needs, and remember that the finished product has to be nothing more than fun to play and worth the money. As for the naysayers out there who are hating on the game without even playing -- What's up with that? Hell, I might even pre-order this one. Thanks Ed!


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Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:36
Phoenix Gamma
I found the love:

Lime's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:37
Lime
The way I see it, they are removing the thing that appealed to the preteen crowd (copious blood and gore), and therefore are trying to overhaul the combat. It sounds like it could be fucking awesome from a gameplay standpoint if it works.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:38
Gameboi
@Phoenix Gamma

*laughs* I'd say you have!
Volomon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:40
Volomon
Ah you lost me mid way through when you said to give it a chance and dared to compare it to the Marvel/Street Fighter team up. The reason that worked was that they played to their strengths aka amazing 2d artwork and animation. Whats Mortal Combats strength? Yes, exact, FATALITIES. This is not Mortal Combat vs. Anything its a promotional stunt and nothing more.
shipero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:41
shipero
I didn't know that Palmiotti and Gray were working on this, I loved Uncle Sam. Still not too sure on this game, weird crossovers can be really bad.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:42
MaxVest
It just seems like a DC standalone fighting game based on a more robust fighting engine would make more sense than trying to shoehorn DC characters into a blood-free MK universe.

Then again, what do I know? I think all those cross-over characters in the SoulCalibur series are silly too.
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:43
Cheeburga
It's not the fact that DC is a joke. It's that Mortal Kombat the fighting game as a whole, sucks.

The more recent ones I mean.
A Humble Mr Perfect's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:47
A Humble Mr Perfect
Bah! Give me a call when geoff johns signs up to write.

For one last, shameless plug, my open letter to DC concerning this game.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:49
Gameboi
@Volomon

You make a valid point, but the difference is that this version of MK would have played to their strong suit if they could. Their hands were tied.

The MK universe still has plenty of interesting characters, and there's no reason why they can't make a great fighting game, regardless of this handicap.
liquidninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:50
liquidninja
"Knowing the track record of the previous ones, I'm expecting nothing less than another good time..."

Well that's the thing isn't it? Haven't all the recent Mortal Kombats been mediocre at best?

Now it seems in order to revamp the series they think just making a MK vs DC game will cut it.
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:51
casualweaponry
I'm no big fan of comics, but I think the DC universe deserves better than Mortal Kombat.

Can't DC pony up some cash to make a decent fighter, rather than latch onto an over-the-hill fighting franchise?

Weird how a lot of people are pysched about SF4, but virtually no-one cares about MK vs DC. Shame on DC.
Redzie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:53
Redzie
Lets all come clean and admit that MK was only fun back in the day cause it was a novelty for a fighter to have all that blood, violence and gore. Now that fighters are "reduced" (lack of a better term) to something like Super Smash Bros, MK's innovations back then seem nothing now.
spacecadetjoe's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:54
spacecadetjoe
i get a real kick out of any crossover, so im really excited about this game
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:55
Gameboi
@Redzie

I don't know if I'd go as far as to call it "back in the day," but I still like to play Deadly Alliance every so often. I thought it was pretty damn good.
eightcell's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:55
eightcell
I think it's a bad combination because the Mortal Kombat characters are all known for killing, while most of the DC characters will not kill period.

Marvel Vs. Capcom seemed to gel because all the characters were larger then life - ninjas robots and super heroes etc. Put any MK character next to Superman and the combo looks dumb.

Marvel characters are also generally not the power houses that DC has. Cable Versus Megaman does not have an obvious winner, but Superman, Green Lantern or the Flash versus and MK character has me giving it to the DC heroes in about every instance.
rabidkeebler's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:56
rabidkeebler
I think the big difference between this and the "other" title (Marvel vs Capcom) is this feeling of distance. One can kinda see Ironman fighting Megaman, or Ryu fighting Captain America. It was aa fun 2d romp, that didn't feel quite so odd. I see this like the whole Darth Vader and Yoda in Soul Caliber. It feels out of place. Obviously Batman is in, and he kinda fits, but what about other DC characters? The Flash? Wonder Woman? Green Lantern? Super Man? This just doesn't work for me. It just feels to constrained.
Tug Your God Out's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:58
Tug Your God Out
Hmm with Gray and Palmiotti on it, I hope we get some of the lesser known DC characters in it in some form. I'm hoping this means Hawkman is going to be in it.

I'll buy it and that's for the DCU side.

Still as in my blog, I'd rather have a DCU only fighting game that's better than Task Force and has a bajillion characters from the comics.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 13:58
mix
No blood? No fatalities? It's like diet Mortal Kombat with 1/2 the fun!

I'll wait till I get to play it as Mortal Kombat was never, EVER fun because of the sweet fighting moves and styles.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:00
B-Radicate
I, for one, didn't understand all the hatred, either. Any chance I get to play as Batman and beat the shit out of other people (especially Superman) is a great one in my eyes.

I think people forget there are tons of great fighting franchises (the majority, actually) that have no blood whatsoever. If all you played Mortal Kombat for was the blood and guts then I'd argue you didn't play it for the right reasons anyway. I'm personally more of a Soul Calibur fan myself, so that means I'm not gonna be upset by this game just because there isn't any gore at all. I'll enjoy it for what it is and so should other people.
Tug Your God Out's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:02
Tug Your God Out
Hmm with Gray and Palmiotti on it, I hope we get some of the lesser known DC characters in it in some form. I'm hoping this means Hawkman is going to be in it.

I'll buy it and that's for the DCU side.

Still as in my blog, I'd rather have a DCU only fighting game that's better than Task Force and has a bajillion characters from the comics.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:05
mix
@B-Radicate
Soul Calibur is sweet, Virtua fighter is sweet, DOA is pretty neat. Those all have some sort of fightning mechanics with reversals, counter attacks and all that. MK was never that deep in my mind I played it for a fast beat 'em paced style.
NotAZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:06
NotAZombie
Chee got it. MK's fighting engine just sucks.
liquidninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:10
liquidninja
@mix "MK was never that deep in my mind I played it for a fast beat 'em paced style."

Actually, that's the great thing about the first 2 MK games in my opinion. You also don't have to learn any long a** combo's either.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:11
Arttemis
"There will still be spectacular finishing moves [...], and the new Freefall Kombat system is MK's way of further evolving the brand. [...] The Klose Kombat mode -- which like the name implies -- will zoom in on both combatants, as they trade blows (both defensively and offensively) [...]. None of this sounds even remotely fun to you?"

Honestly? No.

Though I think it's ridiculous that blood and gore are being removed from the game simply because of DC characters' appearances. I realize that has no effect on gameplay, and though fatalities might have been one of the most popular elements of the MK series, it didn't define how the game was played. It's ridiculous that this obviously non-canon game is having to conform to other canon's rules/guidelines --- no matter how possible this game's story could be in the Multiverse/Infinite Crisis DC series, it's not part of any story outside of the game's.

But to address the points you brought up, I'm definitely not interested in those for a fighting game.

*Finishing moves don't define a game, just like fatalities didn't define the gameplay of the MK games. I think I said that already. What matters most to me is what happens during the fight.

*Freefall Kombat could have the potential to be a new type of fighting, especially if it took actual forces of gravity and exaggerated attacks into account. What isn't interesting is a semi-controllable state of quasi-fighting while watching scenery shift behind you. That doesn't excite me, especially after seeing that corny clip of Batman and Sub-Zero punching/rolling mid-air.
(And damn, I think that first sentence just hyped myself up for a combat system that just doesn't exist.)

*Klose Kombat has proven itself fun.... in boxing games.
Though I haven't seen any footage of this feature yet (unless it was that closeup scene shown briefly in the trailer), the thought of a "mystical" fighting game with potential for plenty of aerial/magical combat and combos degenerating into a close-up face punching fest isn't exciting to me. Also, if that closeup scene from the trailer WAS this mode, then I'm definitely sure I'm not excited. Bleh.


I really don't want this game to suck.
I just think it will...
...but maybe they'll pull it off.
That would be kickass.
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:11
The-Excel
Like I said, the best thing about this is being able to recreate Superdickery in 3D combat form in real-time.
Mr Gilder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:13
Mr Gilder
For the record. I was, and still am super excited about it. I haven't stopped blabbing about it to just about every game-knowlegable friend I have for the past week.
This is essentially no less ridiculous than that fateful day that "X-Men Vs. Street Fighter" for CPS2 arcade hardware was announced. Though I believe the comparison will hardly be 'apples to apples,' I believe the formula for some real fun is there.
Look past the gore folks . . . and look forward to something that should only play extremely well, but also provide afew genuinely impresive movments, and hopefully even afew laughs.

After all . . . who among us can honestly say they haven't dreamed of hitting Sindel in the cans with a batterang, or uppercutting Hawkgirl?
weedgan's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:19
weedgan
I think people shouldnt bitch so much.

Everybody around here knows DAMN WELL I'm the number 1 MK fan around here, and I am fine with the idea of no fatalities.

Fuck the haters.
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:20
Rockvillian
Just seems "me too" to me, in the wake of Star Wars vs Soul Calibur (which I feel the same way on). Big franchise meets big franchise, wham wham money money, Wolfman meets She-Octopus at Frankenstein's Birthday and vs vs vs money money double feature junk.

Though, it IS Mortal Kombat, just like I say it IS Sonic, and it IS EA. Licenses are hard to come by, yes - if you have money. And money comes cheap to those who lack standards in this business, as long as people keep eating it up.

Games are now where movies were in the 50's. Schlock begets schlock when the consumers are too occupied with their new fangled color tvs and special effects.

Just a thought. Carry on!
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:23
Corak
The appeal of Mortal Kombat, at least for me, has been the over the top blood and fatalities. The fighting system, while good, when compared to other fighters doesn't hold up as much. It depends on what you personally like, but I preferred the fighting mechanics of street fighter and tekken more than MK. The main appeal was to beat your oponent up, and then finish him off as the final nail in the coffin. I think I played just to get to do a fatality rather then enjoy the game as a fighting game.

Another reason I think people might have liked playing it when it was first released was that it was controversial, i.e. parents hating it. Playing a game your parents didn't approve of was just another way to rebel in your teenage years.

Finally, to quote Quagmire from Family Guy...."If you take the venom out of a cobra what have you got?...You've got a...belt."
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:28
brainderailment
I don't like mortal kombat, I don't like DC comics, I haven't liked MK since I was 12.
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:29
mix
@liquidninja

Ahh yeah a low learning curve, which is awesome as you can pick up and play. I suck big time at Soul Calibur...lol
Blackhat's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:29
Blackhat
"None of this sounds even remotely fun to you?"

To be honest, not really. The draw of MK has never been the combat system, really. The game is mediocre at best when it comes to fighting; the fun was the crazy ways you could humiliate whomever you killed.

Also, I am terrified of having Superman losing in a punching competition with, well, anyone.
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:34
Cowzilla3
The problem I'm having with it is that it just seems so forced together especially when watching those videos of the heroes fight. Sure they might be early but in Marvel vs. Capcom the Marvel characters moved and acted like they should in this it looks like the DC universe characters are going to play like MK people not their won style, this gave me the feeling of a forced combination not one that actually works.
STUVNING's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:34
STUVNING
This will be the game equivalent of the Alien Vs Predator films.
Passionate Styos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:36
Passionate Styos
Call me crazy or not, it isn't a bad idea, but in a personal tastes, I never liked MK and found the battle system really broken. Maybe they can do something good with this one, I just hope so.
stafax's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:38
stafax
Let's be honest here, Mortal Kombat was NEVER about the gameplay. The first 3 games had okay gameplay, but they stood out because of the realistic graphics and the blood. Giving the audience a shock factor that wasn't found in any other fighting game. As the series went on, the gameplay just kept getting more noticeably worse since the competition got so much better and having blood in a game became less rare, so the shock value kept declining. As proof that MK has only been about the blood and fatalities, look at MK Armageddon. People complained about the custom fatality system and the loss of signature fatalities. Now that the blood and fatalities will be completely gone, there will be no other reason to play it. The gameplay wont save it because few cared about the gameplay to begin with.
Bans's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:40
Bans
Someone forgot to Tell Ed Boon that he's late to the party, about 12 years late.. MK was never really deep, even the 1st generation of SF II was deep. Also the whole Gaming vs Comic universe has already been done, not saying that it can be done again but Capcom did an incredible job. MK was never that deep, so how can you expect there to be any depth to start with. if this turns out to be good I'd be pleasantly surprised.

Seriously, WTF, a million watered, down run of the mill sequels and no new Killer Instinct!!! That I'd like to see.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:43
Holyetheline
I used to love MK 4. That was the last Mortal Kombat game I really got into... but I will give this one a shot.
josephx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:44
josephx
Gameboi your spot on Mortal Kombat Deadly Aliance was the last good Mortal Kombat game as I personally hated Mortal Kombat Armegeddon with that up in the air Bull **bleep**

A Mortal Kombat game without this www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofPXYfKSjCs is not a Mortal Kmobat game. And It's Mortal Kombat V's DC Universe so DC are coming into Mortal Kombat's yard and not the other way around.

I'll rent MK V's DC but what is Mortal Kombat without blood or gore ? Nothing.

By the way I can guarentee Midway still have not included Global Servers and have not stopped Cheaters which means their Online offering will suck as always

Bring back " Killer Instinct " so Midway can ruin Mortal Kombat all they want
Necros's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:46
Necros
I'd be fine with what they're trying to do if it wasn't for the fact that the only reason people care about Mortal Kombat is the over-the-top violence and fatalities. Without that, who gives a shit about Raiden and Scorpion? And that's the problem in my eyes, that they're mixing some strong DC characters with MK characters who people won't care about.
ShinAmano's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:47
ShinAmano
"It's not the fact that DC is a joke. It's that Mortal Kombat the fighting game as a whole, sucks. "

</end thread>
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:49
Rockvillian
hahahaha nice one Cypher.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:52
Gameboi
Cypher for the Win!

@ShinAmano

Great. Next you're going to tell me that ClayFighter sucked too...and we all know how much that game rocked!

Dtoid is inhabited by finicky fighter folks with fine tuned tastes. Am I the only one who loves both DC and MK? Somebody capture me and put me in a cage. I'm the last of my kind!
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 14:56
Mxyzptlk
It should have been a DC only fighting game from the MK team. At least Capcom Vs. Marvel made sense due to the fact they both had good fighting games that blended together perfectly.
Kyousuke Nanbu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 15:09
Kyousuke Nanbu
Wow, with those guys on board for it, it might just kick ass.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 15:10
Syn
I never got into the MK fighting system, the characters move around almost mechanically. Even in Smash Bros the movements are smooth, characters recoil when the land on the ground etc.

And as far as the DC characters look, it seems like they almost couldn't come up with anyone new and just put DC skins over MK characters that don't exist; Allowed them to take their testicles and put them in a jar for all to see to boot.
Mister Disco's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 15:12
Mister Disco
I'm with Reaprar on this one. Mortal Kombat, particularly compared to other popular fighters, is just not that good. The fun was in the over-the-top finishers and wacky settings. These things like, "Freefall Kombat" and "Close Kombat" and other things sound really gimmicky. It's likely they will, like most "new" elements introduced into the Mortal Kombat series, simply take you out of the fight and into a mini-game for a couple of seconds, which doesn't sound fun to me.

And the DC universe has gritty "moments", but compared to the Marvel universe as a whole, it's still rainbows and butterflies. I picked up an issue of Batman last year out of curiosity, trying to give DC yet another chance. And there's commissioner Gordon telling a group of crooks holed up in a warehouse to "come out with their hands up". Batman shows up in the tights and, well, I'll leave it up to your BIFF POW imagination what BANG SWISH happened. Point is, it'll be a long while before I begin to care about DC, if ever.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 15:15
EternalDeathSlayer
I'm not a huge fan of Mortal Kombat. That said, I see no reason why the game can't succeed on at least a basic level and provide fun gameplay with a few of our favorite characters to boot.

But, I have to agree with Necros up top, who says that the MK side of the equation is weak. He's right. Who in their right mind would ever want to fight Batman with Scorpion? Besides the fact that these characters aren't that interesting, doesn't Batman always win?

But still, I will reserve judgement until I actually play the game. It's only fair to the developers.

Also, Baracka.

Also, Barack Obama.

Cannot vote for that guy. Just realized how close their names are.
ShinAmano's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/24/2008 15:20
ShinAmano
@ Gameboi ...I love DC...I loved MK and MK2 and even liked MK3, but they were not good games...and everyone after those has been on a slide.
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