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Ono: Mortal Kombat represents Western game design photo

In comparing his series to Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter IV producer Yoshinori Ono has claimed that the two fighting games represent fundamental differences between Eastern and Western game design, with Mortal Kombat exemplifying Western "result" oriented gameplay. 

"I think it represents the difference in philosophy. I find Japanese games tend to find the 'process' of playing the game as the activity and the result may not matter," he said. "So in Street Fighter when you're playing it's the moment to moment gameplay that should be the best, whether you win or lose doesn't really matter. Whereas in Mortal Kombat the fighting and playing is just a pathway to get to the result - it's the Fatality you want to see and you almost want to skip the fighting bit and get to the Fatality because that is the result. 

"I think Western fighting games tend to put more weight in the result rather than the process. So it's fun when you win but while you're playing it doesn't have the intricate build up where it's 'opponent did this, so you try this'. Street Fighter is more like a game of chess, it's very quite almost. You sit there, do the moves and enjoy that, there's not really a lot of fireworks or explosions at the end."

It's an interesting statement for sure, and one that may have merit. Many Western games are about getting headshots, blowing stuff up -- getting rewarded and satisfied immediately. That's certainly not a bad thing, however. Anybody who doesn't like seeing some fool's head come off just ain't human.

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Darckcloud723's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:04
Darckcloud723
I play street fighter to win! I just keep the cheapness to a minamal.
SayWord's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:06
SayWord
I'm horny and I want to touch myself. Damn you getting me all hot thinking about someones head coming off.
AnotherRumpKicker's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:06
AnotherRumpKicker
It's upsetting that the west is judged by Mortal Kombat, Ono's statement is accurate.
Maxxthepenguin's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:07
Maxxthepenguin
Exception: JRPGs

There's not much of a process to pressing summon > knights of the round. The result though is graphical excess the likes of which western games can't even dream of approaching.
Saint Noir's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:08
Saint Noir
I disagree. I think it is an interesting thought, but I really enjoy THE FIGHTING in MK and the fatalities are just a goofy way to end the match. The new MK just has FUN gameplay (so does SFIV).
MailOrderClone's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:10
MailOrderClone
It's a very interesting line of reasoning.
Sanious's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:11
Sanious
"You sit there, do the moves and enjoy that, there's not really a lot of fireworks or explosions at the end."

Ok, so what do you call Ultra Moves? I would say they're pretty much the 'fatality' of Street Fighter.
Taku128's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:12
Taku128
What a fucking prick. "Mortal Kombat is shit, the only reason people play it is the fatalities." Fuck you Ono, the MK9 demo alone is a thousand times more fun than Street Fighter IV is.
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:12
killias2
I just don't buy this at all....
Sanious's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:13
Sanious
^I should of said 'He' in direction to Ono.
ErbilT's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:15
ErbilT
I think of the Fatalities as being a great marketing hook as opposed to being core to the experience. You may be interested in checking out the fatalities a few times, but eventually, you care going to get bored of seeing them at the end of every match. The gameplay however, is what should keep people coming back and playing the game. I do hope that MK turns out to be a tournament-class fighting game, besides the fatality gimmick.
SuperCouch's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:17
SuperCouch
"Result" driven?? Here I thought the result was to beat the game (while enjoying the process). I get Ono's statement, and I concede his point, I just feel like there's a touch of condescension here that makes my balls itch.
mighty_marcos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:17
mighty_marcos
There is lot truth in there. If you look at the progression of the final fantasy franchise, the skills/equipment mechanics have become more complicated as time has passed, you combine a + b or c + d, you have many choices in talent trees, a larger commitment is required by the player to play the game. Games like ME2 have simplified their skills/equipment systems as it was perceived that players did not want to "waste" time with that.

It is my opinion, not simply because these examples, that the Japanese culture prides itself in the mastery of complex systems, while us "westerners" care more about the end result, look at this new idea of 'achievement tracking'.

I think the man spoke a lot of truth.
Cla's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:17
Cla
Yes. The Fatalities are the only reason we play. Which is why no one ever does them in tournaments and any form of competitive play.
Erdrick's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:17
Erdrick
"Anybody who doesn't like seeing some fool's head come off just ain't human."

Gettin' a little dark there, Jim... and possibly sociopathic. ;)

But naw, I know what'cha mean.
KingSoup's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:17
KingSoup
Yeah....no. Case #4569706 of a Japanese developer being obsessed with a non-existent 'East vs. West' game battle. With the usual 'East is better' condescending tone kicker.

Mortal Kombat is a fast-paced, gimmicky fighter. It was never built to match SFII's (and on) style of play. Different horses for different courses. Thin gruel to cherry-pick something like Mortal Kombat and imply Western gaming is based on flashy gimmicks while Japanese gaming centers on sublime game-play. I don't ever buy this 'East vs. West' obsession, and when I see it it always seems to come from Japanese developers papering over the reality they no longer hold the dominate position they once did.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:20
Epic-Kx
Trolling, Ono style

Eddie B better step his gayme up
ChaosINC's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:21
ChaosINC
Ono is Dead on, MK is a game that gets old fast and doesn't hold the replay value that SSFIV has. Eastern Developers simply make more exciting fighting games in my opinion. (Soul Calibur, Tekken, Blaze Blue, SF.) nuff said..
Darckcloud723's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:21
Darckcloud723
Has anyone heard the rumor that Green Lantern will be in the 360 version?
Frogboss's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:26
Frogboss
@Cla People actually play Mortal Kombat at tournaments? I take it you mean at like local bars during the first month or 2 its released.

@Darckcloud723 Yeah I read, and the same place that people are claiming that I have also read people claiming that the xbox exclusive character will be Freddy Kruger.
Ujn Hunter's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:26
Ujn Hunter
That stinks that Ono views the West like that... because Mortal Kombat blows.
bricewgilbert's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:26
bricewgilbert
Most people don't learn how to even do the fatalities. If anything it's the blood and insane instant gratification special moves that make MK western.
rockstarnati's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:28
rockstarnati
This is just sad, Ono.

Also, I play Street Fighter to win. The gameplay is awesome, sure. But I'm in it to win it. Same with MK. I love the journey AND the destination. Stop making up battles that don't exist. Trollin' ass Ono.
The White Light's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:29
The White Light
I love Street Fighter, and I believe it to be a far better made than Mortal Kombat, but I find this comment really irritating. Making vaguely insulting blanked statements is bad enough, but on top of that please don't use Mortal Kombat as a figurehead for Western game design. It's a fun relic from the 90's, and it has never been known for it's complex gameplay. It's survived because it has a fun, over the top aesthetic, and is pretty easy to pick up and play. I've always had fun with the MK series, but Netherealm studios is only really good for making these games, and even then they're only okay at it.
MinusO1's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:30
MinusO1
@Epic TrollOno?

He's right after playing Super SFIV and the MK demo I could see the polish in SF gleam right thru. Street Fighter has always been the better game and a lot of games in the genre have followed it closely except for MK. I'm still picking MK up because even though I love SF I suck at it and MK is just up my alley.
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:30
Tristrix
Since when is MK the exemplar of western game design? Thousands of stunningly good games to choose from and he picks that one? Not to say there's anything wrong with MK. It's good at what it does, but it's certainly not the epitome of the western video game or anything.

KingSoup has it right, this is a straw man argument trying to prove a point that no one cares about. Games are games. I don't give a shit who made them. I play the good ones and make fun of the bad ones just like everyone else.
esc1's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:31
esc1
that doesn't make any sense at all.. players in both games play to win and very competitive.. in sf the ultra is the fatality.. just isn't gory..
ZeniGeva's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:32
ZeniGeva
Fighting games the Japanese have alot of experience in. The Western developers simply haven't put in enough time or effort into that genre to compete with the Japanese counterparts - So it's kind of like comparing (like someone said before) Mass Effect RPG series (Or Dragon Age) to the Final Fantasy series...

In the end a game or game series is either done well or it isn't. Its either memorable or not, that's all that matters.

However there is alot to be said about the lack of innovation in Japan nowadays. I'm not saying what the West is doing is innovation, far from it, but I would have to agree in saying they are still following a formula like the rest of us and there is little or no experimentation nowadays within that formula.
SxSW's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:32
SxSW
This guy hit the nail on the head, MK is less technical and more spectacle OMG RHYMEZ and saying Street Fighter is chess is a perfect analogue
Sexualchocolate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:34
Sexualchocolate
I suck at Street Fighter and I don't really enjoy it that much.

I suck at Mortal Kombat but I do enjoy playing it.



It's not the fatalitites, it's not the gore, it just feels more accessible. SF Arcade mode on medium will pound me hard, I just watch my character getting whooped, then lose and it's not fun.

MK arcade mode, on Medium, i stand a fairly good chance, enjoy the fighting, don't get caught in endless combos and even if I'm getting hammered I can get a few shots in and always feel like i've got a chance.

I find the specials in MK easier than in SF - I just don't think my timing is right for SF, perhaps it's too fast for me...
kerosene's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:38
kerosene
I find SF is corny, and MK is a little more brutal, visceral, and just plain badass.... but as far as game play goes idk maybe SF is superior but i usually find myself button mashing anyway, with MK you actually enjoy the game because it rewards you with something unnecessary while in SF the character only has some corny line to say.
smang's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:42
smang
cliffy b made the word 'badass' pretty corny a while back, thusly your point is moot good sir :)
SithZombie's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:45
SithZombie
He is right about MK but not about western games in general.
George Eric Oliver's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:54
George Eric Oliver
@mighty_marcos you say "commitment is required" to play JRPGs just because there is a level of complexity. It's not. Most of it can be ignored. The only FF games that required mastery of the system in order to make progress were the Tactics games. The rest of the games can be played only using the systems at a pretty basic level and occasionally grinding, which is what most people do.

Ono is also taking credit for something that is a bi product of having a popular fighting game that isn't completely a mess. People play and develop strategies that give it that moment to moment excitement.

He's to busy trying to take a swipe that he doesn't even mention the actual real difference, that eastern games listen and respond to the fans and the meta game.

Plus the game hasn't even come out yet. At least wait to play the full game before you start insulting it.
Narishma's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 10:56
Narishma
To people saying Ultras and Fatalities are the same: they are completely different. Fatalities are just eye candy, they don't affect the gameplay at all since you only get to do them once you already won. Ultras can be the difference between winning or losing the round.
Avidgam3r's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:03
Avidgam3r
I don't get it..... not one bit.....
PrimeSynergy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:04
PrimeSynergy
Taking the competition down a peg before you announce that SSF4 Arcade Edition is coming to consoles on a $40 disc eh? You sneaky fool you.
Pvt Jackass's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:09
Pvt Jackass
@Sanious: Yeah but fatalities can only be done at the end of a match. Which is his point.
Sonic9jct's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:24
Sonic9jct
A very generalizing statement, but it is true that a lot of Western games can be obsessed with showing you one thing and treat everything else as filler.
Skullo Dream's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:41
Skullo Dream
Fireworks, explosions, and instant gratification? Surely Japan (and Capcom for that matter) would never release a fighting game with such shenanigans...
RowdyRodimus's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:46
RowdyRodimus
Street Fighter has been the same game since II, the same can be said for Mortal Kombat as well. However, the difference is that MK can be fun for someone who isn't good at fighting games whereas SF is fun only if you memorize every thirty-six button combo.
Pyremind's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:56
Pyremind
It's a stupid and meritless comment. What's the sample size here? How many 'western fighting games' does he have to compare japanese fighting games against. He can make the statement that people that play Mortal Kombat are results oriented. Or he can make the statement that the west doesn't make fighting games. And that's pretty much it.
StealthMaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 11:59
StealthMaster
Yeah it's not the fatalites that make me like the Mortal Kombat games. I could NEVER pull off one when I was young. It was about the fun for me. I like Street Fighter but it gets cheap at times.
Skullo Dream's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:02
Skullo Dream
@RowdyRodimus: Have you just not played any SF games besides 2&4 and no MK past 2, or are you really that ignorant?
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:03
Dv8thwonder
So to sum up Ono's statements: Western devs make simple games for simple gamers.
cbarrentos's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:07
cbarrentos
i'm a western gamer who loved the Mortal Kombat demo. but my favorite thing about the new MK is the deep(er) combo system.
i also ADORE Super Street Fighter 4.
what does this make me?
teakayfortoowon's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:08
teakayfortoowon
@mighty_macros
FFXIII was brutally simple. In fact, managing gear in FF has been fairly basic since X (when I started playing).
Shinta's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:08
Shinta
I think it's a sound observation.
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:09
tekbunny
How's he gonna say there's no fireworks or explosions at the end when I can suck a guy into a black hole and while held there I unleash a gigantic wave of flame at him? THEN I tag out to a catgirl who whirls like sonic at the opponent as he falls an proceeds to scratch the shit out of him, ultimately kicking him up in the air... that's when hulk comes in, jumps in the air headbutting the airborne opponent, then slams down on them with a rock he got from FUCKING SPACE. And my opponent just lost 80 percent of his health.

Yeah, I need to find a chess piece that does THAT.
The Ghos7's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2011 12:14
The Ghos7
though he may have valid points the MK series are fun to play, fatality or not. Has he tried any of the Fight Night or UFC/MMA games? Those to me are a fighting gamers chess.
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