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People love to criticize gaming blogs. They are an incredibly easy target, thanks to the fact that they are edited by people who are not "proper" journalists, there are so many of them, and there are a huge amount of sub-par, poorly written and badly formatted sites out there, ensuring that gaming communities and real "games journalists" will always look down their noses at blogs for being illegitimate stepsons of the "proper" games media.

One of the most common criticisms stems from what content videogame bloggers choose to write about. Crispy Gamer recently ran an excellent article breaking down and debunking the myth that games bloggers simply steal from each other and rely on regurgitating links, and I urge you to read that. However, I intend to tackle the actual subject matter of posts themselves. 

Blogs are often criticized for their "irrelevant" content, for covering topics that don't "need" to be covered, or aren't "helpful" to the great and mystical common cause. I ask those who criticize blogs: Are we really doing it wrong, or are we merely providing variety? If a post isn't needed, does that invalidate it? Read on as we discuss the relevance of blogs, and whether being irrelevant is a bad thing.

Some of my favorite stories to tackle are the videogame violence articles. You all know the drill by now: somebody does something stupid, somebody gets hurt, somebody implicates videogames, somebody tells the blogosphere, and then everybody hears about it. I am personally amused and/or astounded by some of the stories that come in -- mostly due to the fascination I have with human idiocy -- and they tend to be very popular articles to boot.

However, I am apparently very wrong to enjoy writing and reading about these stories. Develop magazine recently criticized blogs for writing about these subjects, and the hilarious Web site Eegra.com regularly mocks bloggers for the stories they choose, videogame violence being among them.

One of the main arguments here is that we bloggers serve only to perpetuate the "games cause violence" mentality already held by many anti-videogame lobbyists out there. This particular argument hinges upon the idea that blogs are influential enough to help sway the minds of those who don't even like videogames, something I find hard to believe. Yes, we do bring publicity to videogame violence stories, but our primary audience is made up of people who already believe that games are harmless, and that while they may be a catalyst in certain violent situations, there is always something more complex and disturbed going on than simply "games did it."

It is very much a "no harm, no foul" situation when it comes to these particular articles. While we shine a light on these stories, it's for a small and specialized readership that come to games blogs because they actually like games blogs. We are certainly not helping videogames with these stories, this I concede. However, we really aren't hurting anything, either, so is there really a problem? 

I will grant you, however, that there are times when blogs go a bit too far. One rule I have is that I won't cover a "games cause violence" story unless the violence directly involved videogames, or the mainstream media have already implicated games in a slapdash and dishonest way, deserving an editorial scathing for their bullshit. However, sometimes blogs go out of their way to essentially do FOX News' job for it, making their own weak videogame connections so that the mainstream press doesn't have to. 

GamePolitics is guilty of this on a number of occasions. I love GamePolitics and have a personal respect for Dennis McCauley, as evidenced by the number of times I read and link to his site. However, a few of his stories I won't touch because I feel he has written a story using the same logic as a FOX reporter. One example is GP's "16-Year Old GTA IV Gamer Charged with Grisly S&M Murder of NYC Newsman" article. The story is that an emotionally disturbed individual responded to a dirty sex ad and killed a man. GP, however, does what a sensationalist news channel would do and focuses squarely on the unrelated and minor fact that he liked videogames. The original news post that he sources only briefly lists games among the killer's hobbies -- it does not blame games, nor have games been implicated in any way. GP made that implication, and helped perpetuate it, without any input from other media. 

I can certainly understand that sort of criticism. I don't think we gamers need to make our own contrived links to videogames when there are mainstream outlets already doing that, and it's much more fun to bash FOX News when it squirts out a piece of poorly researched, intellectually dishonest "news" on the subject. I can't help feeling that blogs act no better if they connect their own dots in this way. Again, nuff respekt to GP, but stories like that certainly lend credence to those who bash blog coverage of such subjects. 

The art of the "top ten list" is another gripe that many among the "better than blogs" sect have. I have had several conversations over the years with games writers on this subject, the most recent being over dinner with a couple of freelance press types in Dakota Ballard and Mitchell Dyer, where I also had a very fun and refreshing time defending the role of blogs in the presence of proper journos. The general consensus among all the people I've debated with is, of course, that top ten lists are bad, easy and rather lazy. 

However, again, I must disagree that top ten lists are inherently wrong. GamesRadar is famous for its top ten lists, but there naturally has to be a reason why these guys are still in business. There also has to be a reason why top ten columns regularly get into Digg ... or least got into Digg before that site became a farce and was no longer simply about people liking articles. 

I grant you that it's easier to write a list column than it is to write a longer, deeper piece of intellectual gaming analysis, but just because something is easier to do, that doesn't invalidate it as a piece of entertainment. The role of the blogs is to entertain, after all, and if something works for that purpose, why should we not do it?

Once again, I concede that there is a good way of writing a top ten column, and a bad way. A list column doesn't have to be unoriginal and uninventive to succeed, and there are good examples of original list columns that do something different, some of which can be found here on Destructoid. There are loads of articles about "top ten platformers" and "top ten hottest videogame women." These are, indeed, unoriginal, and contribute to the belief that top ten columns are rubbish. A lot of them are. However, a well-written list article with an original point of view and a fresh spin on the formula deserves credit, and I think simply tarring all list columns with the same brush is just as lazy as "top ten biggest tits in gaming," and those that feel they are above a good list column often strike me as being rather pretentious and aloof.

Finally, we have the idea that certain videogame articles are more "important" than others, and that those who write about "silly" subjects are not doing their job. One example is where I wrote a story about Achievements vs. Trophies and got bashed by a number of commenters for writing about a "silly" subject, which was apparently wrong. Penny Arcade has also given blogs the thumbs-down for choosing some of the more offbeat and admittedly ridiculous stories out there. 

Let me first counter the idea of "relevant" news stories by saying that we are all writing about videogames here. Nothing that we write, even the most thoughtful and mind-blowing piece of literature, is really very relevant. Videogames are not an important subject in the grand scheme of human events. They are important to us, but I feel that all videogame "journalism" is inherently silly, and it's a silliness we should embrace and celebrate. I find the idea of assigning levels of importance and validity to videogame blog posts to be an absolutely absurd practice, not to mention comical. 

That isn't to say we can't have intelligent and serious discourse. There is room for that, just like there's room for "Man plays Mario theme on a banana." However, neither of these types of article are "needed" by the human race, so it strikes me as humorous when someone says a certain article did not "need" to be written or is "unnecessary," when none of what we do will ever be needed. 

I feel a bit like a stuck record by this point, but once again I use the "Argumentum Ad Populum" angle and say that these silly, unnecessary articles are popular with blog readers -- at least, those who recognize that there is room for silliness in their reading, and don't get all haughty when someone writes about a stupid subject. While it's considered bad form to justify something with "people like it," I feel there can be no greater justification when your very job is to make people like what you do. Bloggers are in the business of providing their readers with something fun to read, and to attract more readers with said fun. If people find videogame violence stories, list columns and "Pac-Man gene discovered" articles fun, then we as bloggers simply aren't doing our jobs properly if we suddenly decide we are above these articles. We are doing our readers a disservice. 

Ultimately, blogs are being regularly criticized for doing what any form of written media should have as its number one goal -- they are merely writing for their audience. Really, are blogs wrong to write with their own readers in mind? Of course not. 

Blogs will always be kicked around by certain gaming communities and "real" games press. They are free to have their opinions. However, blogs are obviously doing something right, and will be around for a while. Like it or not, they have become a big part of videogame coverage, and while they aren't always relatively "important" in the subjects they tackle, while they do "easy" top ten lists, and while they cover stories that don't "help" the perception of games in the mainstream media, they do what any form of gaming media should be doing, perhaps better than any magazine or big-time Web site. 

They entertain.


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kaecyus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:10
kaecyus
This article has intellectual entertainment value.

Therefore, this article is self-fulfilling.

Win.
WhiteX's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:16
WhiteX
Destructoid an GoNintendo together makes short of most if not all printed game media for N coverage.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:25
Jim Sterling
"Bloggers should do a better job in get their own material."

That's not what this article is about, so why you mention this is beyond me. I have linked to a Crispy Gamer article on that subject, so please go right ahead and take it up with him.

Also, you must have not read the article properly, because I stressed the point that a lot of the "irrelevant" stuff IS relevant to the fans. But again, you keep focusing on the linking aspect, which isn't the basis of this article at all. I'll be happy to debate with you the ACTUAL content of my article if you wish to discuss that.
Darkanubis87's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:28
Darkanubis87
i think bloggers should stick to thier interests. That way, no matter what the subject matter an article or blog they come out with will have some good insight.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:28
Josh Tolentino
There's a very interesting column written by Kyle Orland over on Crispy Gamer that addresses the very topic of common complaints about blogs, and does so in a direct, charts-and-numbers fashion.

It focuses on Kotaku, Destructoid and Joystiq as the "Big Three" of gaming blogs, and concludes that while some complaints are grounded, the biggest ones are coming to resemble (and in some cases outclass) full-service gaming sites/news outlets.

Also JOURNALISM.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:30
Josh Tolentino
Sonova-- I can't believe I missed that Crispy Gamer link.
Trunners's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:40
Trunners
I can't think of many sites or magazines that haven't ran a top ten list at some point. Even Edge runs them now and again.

I love top ten lists - does that make me stupid?

It's just elitist bollocks if you ask me, people trying to make themselves feel important. Why can't they just accept that different people like different things? Not everyone wants to read an essay about how Lemmings is a metaphor relating to the futility of life.

That said I'm off to read 'top ten pretentious gaming writers I would like to twat'.
Doomsday Forte's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:40
Doomsday Forte
I never understood why people found the Achievements vs. Trophies article silly. I mean, I don't have either system and it was still a good read! Odd.

I feel that bloggers are doing a good job right now. Sure, some of the things I see here I could care less about, but even then, most publications don't have actual interactions with their fans/audience outside of letters and whatnot. There are often community-hosted at-length discussions, and any one of us can spark one up in our own blogs or comment on someone else's.

I think that bloggers aren't much "above" their audience as was the case in many publications I've found. I mean, sure you can tout "by gamers, for gamers" but try striking up a conversation with these people. Yeah, technology and Web 2.0 has made the world a smaller place, but I find everyone here infinitely more approachable and relateable than people who simply put out articles.

I dunno, I've never been terribly good at this whole debate on bloggers and JOURNALISM and crap. XD
garison's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:45
garison
Blogging is fun. I read it because it is fun.
spam's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:46
spam
i think i agree with you
but as i see it your argument boils down to "we do what we can to get hits don't complain if you don't agree with how"

thats cool but people can say your not high brow enuf if they want too

how would you feel if EA explained that they are making money and people buy there shit so can you please stop whining in your reviews about problems you have with there games

maybe this article will stop some douches bitching at you for a while but you just gotta do your thing (which i'm sure your more aware than most, suck eggs grandma;) arguing with critics dosen't usually do anything useful


and didn't warducks do an equivalent piece graphing original content on blogs (admittedly so he could say his was best) a few weeks ago

i went and looked for it
http://negativegamer.com/2009/04/20/45-of-all-the-news-you-read-is-from-a-press-release-and-other-interesting-stories/
eternalplayer2345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:47
eternalplayer2345
I agree that all too often people forget that each blog has its own audience. Kotaku readers and destructoid readers don't always mesh. I read gonintendo because I can I appreciate and enjoy really esoteric news when it comes to nintendo and I don't expect articles that delve that deep into the big N to appear on Destructoid. We all know that fox news is geared towards conservatives and MSNBC tends to be liberal. Why can't people simply understand that each gaming blog has its own audience.
trunxkam45's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:50
trunxkam45
A lot of blogs suffer from trying too hard to cater to their public. It's not their fault. This manifests itself in repetition of simple statements to prove a point or like obvious attempts to surprise the reader(for example why I think Ninja Blade is awesome) by trying to piece together a legit argument. Personally I mostly read game blogs for reports and not reviews. I don't believe most game bloggers can articulate their views well.
Phalanxxx's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 12:53
Phalanxxx
did we REALLY need this article Jim?

way to turn a talking point on it's head like that! Despite liking your usual funny self, I do enjoy reading your more serious peices like this.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:06
EternalDeathSlayer
What the fuck is The Reborn even saying? It's not making any sense.

Jim can write whatever the hell he wants. Are you saying he should pick a personality and stick with it?

Cause that doesn't make any sense.

Fail troll is fail.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:07
Haxan
Before I can really comment on this, I need some clarification. What constitutes a "real games journalist"?
Perry Simm's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:07
Perry Simm
I disagree that entertainment should be the goal of any form of gaming media. I like Destructoid, but I'm also glad that there are people who write about games in a more serious manner (in fact, I think we need more of that, especially concerning game criticism). But hey, there is enough room for everyone.
DanlHaas's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:09
DanlHaas
Great article, Jim. Though your "use" of "quotes" got pretty ridiculous by the "end".
And as far as I'm concerned, Dtoid is as real as games journalism gets.
michiyoyoshiku's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:10
michiyoyoshiku
I write whatever I damn well please......
Zeno's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:11
Zeno
I still say the "omg games violence" stories are irrelevant and people should quit posting them already, but then again I'm not a big important blogger.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:13
Haxan
The Reborn aced hypocrisy 101.
Drewcifer000's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:28
Drewcifer000
Every time I read one of Jim's articles, I hear his voice reading it to me.

Sometimes, I hear him reading to me just before I fall sleep.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:29
EternalDeathSlayer
Can someone check and make sure that The Reborn isn't really Cotton McKnight in disguise? The personal attacks, the lack of logic in his comments, the seemingly out-of-nowhere hatred for Jim Sterling....the list goes on.

This guy is a grade A douchebag.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:33
Jim Sterling
"Before I can really comment on this, I need some clarification. What constitutes a "real games journalist"?"

Heh, it's in quotes for a reason. Let's say it speaks about a section of games writers who consider themselves "real journalists."

Also, I am fairly certain EternalDeathSlayer hit a certain thing on the head there, so the illogical babble written earlier in the thread shall not be responded to.
Haxan's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:36
Haxan
I'm going to assume the real gaming press constitutes journalist that write the gaming section in newspapers and news-magazines. I for one don't see why they can be on any type of a high horse whatsoever.

Name a news periodical that gives satisfying coverage to the topic of videogames. From my experience, you may have a monthly column, or at best 2-4 stories a week. Subsisting on that alone would never give you something that even resembles a clear overview of the industry.

We love videogames. We read blogs because they give us the all of our VG news on a timely basis. And they try to be entertaining in between. If everything in the spectrum of news needs to be "worthwhile", then it's time to cut the comics section from the paper. Kill the editorial section. The style section, the food section where we read about somebody's dead grandmother's potato salad recipe. Half of what we see in any newspaper these days is useless. But people enjoy reading it. It not only broadens the reader base, but it gives people other interesting things to see in addition to the news.

Even if you got 6 or 12 real journalists together and gave them a "legitimate" outlet, what they would come up with would be no better than Destructoid. Remember that these are people who maybe write 2-3 articles a week, if that. Even if they upped their game, their news wouldn't be as comprehensive. And what would there be to read aside from 2 or 3 bits of real news on a good day?

They're certainly no better. And they've not a leg to stand on. They seem like the bench-warmer on a championship team. An overinflated sense of their own worth that is really just covering up that they're no better than the best of the minor leagues.
Analitic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:39
Analitic
Reborn - i guess blogging is about trying to be a journalist as you say, maybe not as professionally as having to cover troops entering Iraq, but another type of journalist, one that can write about irrelevant things like fashion for example and still make it relevant and funny instead of filling in the blanks in a template as do most journalists do on serious topics ... there is a freedom in this form of writing that is not so objective which i appreciate and probably you do to.

otherwise, no groundbreaking cure for cancer in this article, but comments have been slightly weird, so i just wanted to join in on the fun.
Dr Milkdad's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:43
Dr Milkdad
Reborn's issue seems to be that blogs are citing their sources, which is necessary when writing about news in most media. Unless of course it is an exclusive, or original content, which destructoid has a ton of, and why most of us read it.

Remember the article about Yahoo citing in their video "According to the internet" and they were shit on for it? That's why most blogs link to their sources.

I don't understand why anyone would be upset by this.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:45
MechaMonkey
@The Reborn

I'll try to phrase my response in a way that avoids the venom dripping from your slavering fangs. Your complaint regards that when it comes to video game "news", Destructoid often links to other sites that broke the news first, correct?

If that is the case, there is a very simple explanation: In my opinion, Destructoid has never been a "news" site. It's a gaming blog. Sure, they will post industry news as they so choose, but they simply may not be as devoted to getting "the scoop" as other sites may be. They're being more professional in linking to the original provider than just claiming it as their own.

Destructoid's original material is it's quirky, offbeat humor. That's what I come here for, and I imagine that's what the majority of other Destructoid readers come for as well. If you want hard, fast news about the gaming industry, by all means supplement your reading with a variety of sources with different reporting styles. In fact, I recommend that for any news, not just video games. Different perspectives give the whole story.

Blogging is not journalism. Some more organized, better-funded blogs may have journalistic leanings, and may operate in ways similar to a journalistic organization, but at the end of the day it's still a group of people writing about whatever the hell they feel like. That's what a blog is. Many of Destructoid's writers are not full-time, and work other jobs as well, so they don't have time to scour the internet and phone developers and publishers all day to get the latest tidbits before everyone else. Yes, they bring us news, and no, they usually aren't the first to report it, but Destructoid gives me news in a style that I prefer over other gaming blogs, so I come here.
MechaMonkey's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:48
MechaMonkey
And despite all that, the numbers prove you wrong. Check it:





Via Crispy Gamer
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 13:53
Jim Sterling
Anybody who wants to talk about videogame blogs being nothing but link-a-thons needs to read the Crispy Gamer article, otherwise their uneducated opinion means jack-shit.
GBreaux's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:01
GBreaux
One thing that has always stuck out in my mind about Games Journalism is the notion that the bloggers are not journalist.

Now lets say that we take the best of the best articles from Destructoid on a monthly basis, put fancy pictures and layouts around them, throw them on paper, bind the paper into a book or magazine style format then hand it out to the public.

Then would they be considered journalist? Because their writing is now on a medium that is somewhat synonymous with journalism?

Would someone not say that good people at 1up/EGM were and are not journalist? They still cover games, and even used to have a magazine, that people could subscribe to! oh my!

I have always felt that we, as a growing community, don't need validation form anyone but ourselves. Jim has the skills and wit to be an entertaining journalist. If he would have written these articles for a gaming mag instead of a gaming blog, would he still have the trolls proclaiming "NOT JOURNALISM!"

/rant end
Drewcifer000's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:03
Drewcifer000
What's going on in these comments?
wardrox's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:06
wardrox
Can't say I agree, but you know that :P

Where do you suggest people like me go, if we want researched, relevant and "important" (not the speech marks) articles and news? The places I go for the higher-brow music talk, i.e. the broadsheets, don't cover video games yet.

Next one to say "they are only video games and I don't care about cerial" etc. should feck off. If you don't care, why are you here, and more importantly; why are you replying to this unimportant comment by a guy who just had a beer and watched a Bill Bailey special? Because you like bums, that's what. What was I saying?
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:22
Jim Sterling
Wardrox: I like to think there is obviously room for both. We have Gamasutra, do we not? We have people here on Dtoid who will do analytical, serious stuff. You know I do it from time to time. My main point is, we should be able to accept blogs and "real" journalists and whatever else for what they are. I don't see how anyone could have a problem with that.
Ryoma Nagare's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:23
Ryoma Nagare
Great article as always, totally agree.
The best part is when you explain the "idea of relevant", i also like the last one on the entertainment factor. Damn what's wrong on having fun?
Mikular's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:28
Mikular
@The Reborn
No.

@Jim
Excellent article once again, it opened me up to moar arguments in support of these blogs, and I honestly don't see why people with accounts on this site, the bloggiest (insert real word) of The Big Three, are holding such a "Holier Than Thou" attitude to these kinds of news outlets.
PrinnyMedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:30
PrinnyMedic
I think these so called game journalist are just jealous cause they went and took some journalism class in school and don't like it when any joe can write about games and be more popular

XD
Sup3rt3d's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 14:52
Sup3rt3d
I come here for the humour and the original content (woohoo the charts prove it), particularly the satire. Gaming's such a plugged-in industry that any given piece of information will turn up on several blogs and forums almost simultaneously, meaning you'll see it several times and the idea of having a 'news outlet' is pretty much irrelevant. What's awesome about Destructoid - and it is awesome - is the humourous spin the information is given.

Also <3 Sterling's writing, imo he's good enought to work at Private Eye so we're lucky he's so into games that he stays here.
JayMcDizzle's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 15:04
JayMcDizzle
@Jim - Great article. What a lot of the complainers don't seem to understand is that if you guys post an article that is 'unneeded' or 'irrelevant', they can just scroll past it. As long as even a few people find it interesting it clearly has a point.

@The Reborn - Your kind entertain me. You're a little crazy, very immature or mentally deficient, but you think you’re clever. The 'wipe the cum off your chin' comment was a brilliant window in to your psyche. Keep it up :)
welkstar's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 15:17
welkstar
I'm really tired of people that complain just to complain. These are the people that grow up and don't let their kids read h
Harry Potter and believe everything fox news tells them. It's like people have forgotten how to have fun and just enjoy a hobby that we all share. Everyone's tastes are different and that's why there are 3 major home consoles
To choose from plus PC and handheld gaming. Just because someone likes something you don't doesn't mean they're wrong...
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 15:26
Magnalon
@Jim
Excellent article.

Personally, as an Editor-In-Chief, I made an effort to eliminate top 10 lists a few months ago, for the exact same reasons you've described. Why write an arbitrary list that people are just going to flame, when you can come up with an original, provocative piece? Oh wait it's laziness. If you can get tons of hits without writing "top ten Playstation 3 games" or "why the PS3 will be the best this year", you're quality.

Also, bloggers already blog about what they like (at least on Dtoid). Anthony does Indie Games, Holmes does Nintendo, Dale does NIS/Atlus, and so on. Everyone has their niche, and it comes together very well. As long as the gaming blog has every component of gaming, there's no problem. Don't like Japanese games? Just skip over those posts, and enjoy some of the other writers, who blog primarily about Western games.
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 16:20
gamadaya
"One of the most common criticisms stems from what content videogame bloggers choose to write about. Crispy Gamer recently ran an excellent article breaking down and debunking the myth that games bloggers simply steal from each other and rely on regurgitating links, and I urge you to read that. However, I intend to tackle the actual subject matter of posts themselves."

*pant pant* I just barely managed to get away. The irony caved in my ceiling and broke my leg, but scrambled out the right before everything caught on fire.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 16:55
Cowboy TTop
I enjoy the fun parts of Dtoid, as well as more in depth thoughtful articles and blogs at Dtoid or elsewhere. This is because I'm an older gamer, now 31 and also an Edge/Games TM reader, so guess that's where such needs come from.

Younger visitors will more ikely look for more funny bone material. Thing is there are many print magazines that meet this need, and in a way, its this reason I stopped buying a lot of other magazines, as this funny line can be crossed into realms of annoying. Dtoid has a fair balance of being informative and out there fun.

When I post on Dtoid, i've learned the hard way that what I might find interesting, might not be a good read for others, but overall I try to stay true to my thoughts. Through this I post less here, and just respond to other blogs that have something funny, interesting or worthwhile to say.

So yeah, I guess depending on your age, maturity and time, game bloggers should be more picky what they write, to a degree. Do your best to avoid focusing on pointless posts, that no one will possibly read (perhaps a shot in the dark, but worth considering). I think the Dtoid blog tags help a lot here, so we can decide what blogs to read/write, but most other sites don't have such catagories.

Choose what you like to read/write and enjoy your stay. For every serious blogger looking to make a name for themselves, there'll be others who just want to enjoy conversing about games with like minded people.
Discarded Couch Sandwich's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 16:56
Discarded Couch Sandwich
I don't have the human ability to hate on tiny inconveniences that don't affect me at all, that said, nor do I have the ability to bend over backwards and shove my head up my own arse hole.

I love blogs; I love writing them and I love reading them. Its the same with gaming; I love gaming, and I love writing about it. Why do I do this? To be entertained! Both of these forces co-exist completely naturally, and I could never understand the people who soley do things to pick apart and hate on them.

Sometimes reading the hate comments around here, its like watching humanity's ultimate downturn. I don't get it at all.
AKK's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 18:39
AKK
I'm waiting for a gaming blog made solely of people with journalism degrees. I don't believe there are any "real" gaming sites that could claim that.

Nice article, and the answer is no. I come here for news and entertainment. If I want straight news, I'll go somewhere else (but who the fuck doesn't want entertainment?)
CBunn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 19:51
CBunn
I subscribe to destructoid and kotaku. On any given day there's easily 90 posts. Now it doesn't bother me, because I have a lot of free time, but when I had a job, a lot was lost amidst the clutter. So that's the issue, you end up having to hunt for the stuff you want inside a blog that the main selling point is doing just that for you.

I like your stile of not caring in the slightest if you are being politically correct or not Jim, but at times it does gets boring, with the cheap headlines and troll bait. I know it amuses you when you create a big discussion out of something that should ultimately be disregarded, but at the end, it's just a bunch of comments down the drain, and we don't get anywhere.

Whenever a shitty party game comes, I see a lot of comments (especially yours Jim) about how shameful, how gaming is getting raped by the money grubbing corporations and all that. And now everyone is agreeing that whatever isn't up your alley should just be disregarded and we move onto the next one. Where's the consistency?
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 19:58
Y0j1mb0
Video game bloggers are cool. :)
Braumeister's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 20:11
Braumeister
Do videogame industry journalists even exist? Sure, you have a few rare individuals who work the beat of publishers, developers, retailers and analysts, but their efforts account for little of the content in the modern game mag or news site. 90% of game 'news' consists of reviews, previews or worse - press releases - that any bipedal monkey with MS Word could write. Journalism degree or not.

The videogame industry doesn't have a functioning critical press. Corporate videogame websites and magazines (which seem to upset Destructoid's profanity filter when named), are too dependent on a flowing steady stream of hints and nuggets of game information from developers and publishers to dare consider upsetting their collective apple carts with real, objective, criticism of the industry they cover.

In my view, some of these people are worse than bloggers, as a blogger is likely to tell you exactly what he thinks about Halo 3, while the videogame journalist has to worry about his job, the fury of his editor and Bungie's ad buys in his magazines. For example, who's going to dare standing up to the ad revenue juggernaut that is EA? Ladies and gentlemen, instead of the scathing critical disdain it deserves, we bring you Army of TWO! With a glossy photo-packed 10 page spread!

When you consider that many game 'journalists' view the industry press as a revolving door to more lucrative, interesting jobs with publishers and developers, it's even easier to see how bias creeps into and permeates what should be an objective industry.

Think about it, when was the last time you saw the gaming press truly take any developer/publisher to task for erroneous information, overhyped and/or deficient products, slipping street dates, bugs, uninspired/inaccurate reviews, game prices, etc.?

In all but a few magazines with low subscription rates, you really haven't. And in the absence of truth and accountability, game-loving bloggers help to fill the void.
Zodiac Eclipse's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/10/2009 21:53
Zodiac Eclipse
Wait, I'm a bit lost I guess. Why would people get pissy if you link to another site as long as you're not just copy pasting the actual article? It's called citing your source folks. This way if you question the facts being presented you can see where they came from then read the bloggers take on the subject.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/11/2009 03:40
Chronic Logic
There are two types of jouranlists. Amateurs and professionals. Do you get paid for your journalism? No? Then you're an amaetuer. Simple as that.
Magnalon's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/11/2009 08:41
Magnalon
@Chronic
What about sites like Eurogamer and the Examiner that have hacks for writers, and other indie blogs that get google revenue? It doesn't instantly make you a journalist because you get paid off google ads.

Also, GamesRadar writers make money, and they do top 10s all the time that anyone could have published there after an Editor takes a look at it.
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