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Oil on water: How I can't love the games you love photo

I've played videogames for the vast majority of my life, to the point where I've been fortunate enough to make it part of my life. I feel I could confidently challenge anybody to rival my passion for the medium, my respect for the art, and my simple, honest love of playing games. 

Even so, I have a confession to make. I hate ICO and I cannot for the life of me understand why anybody feels a deep and meaningful connection to Shadow of the Colossus

Now, before you write this off as "trolling" or think I am trying to be contrary on purpose, you have to understand -- I don't enjoy this. I find no fun in not having fun, and when I see others enjoying a game I cannot, it's rather horrible. 

But what can you do when a videogame beloved so many is like oil on water to you?

My wife adores Jeff Buckley, as do a fair few people I've met over the years. They say his music touches their soul, speaks out to them, and provided the soundtrack to a considerable majority of their lives. I've heard his stuff, and I just don't get it. It doesn't sink in. There's something interminably frustrating about that, to know that somebody is getting so much satisfaction out of something, and you can't access whatever font of pleasure others can merrily tap into at will. 

Having played a little of the ICO & Shadow of the Colossus Collection, I found that I still couldn't penetrate whatever depth there was to these games. ICO, to me, is a glorified escort mission with poor controls, while Colossus is a slower, less interesting Prince of Persia with ... poor controls. I tweeted this past weekend that I just didn't get why they were so popular among "hardcore" gamers, and was swiftly buried under a torrent of desperate and invested appeals. 

Many of these retorts said the same thing: the atmosphere, the visuals, the rich artistry of it all -- that's why these games are enjoyed so much. A few even admitted that the gameplay of both titles wasn't quite up to par, yet still contended that the aesthetic pleasure was enough to make up for it. I understand that; I've been there before. I've had games speak to me from beyond a veil of poor interfaces and aged gameplay. I am not here to argue whether or not Team ICO's games are good or bad. I'm here to tell you that my low opinion of these games is not something I revel in. 

In fact, if you love ICO or Shadow of the Colossus, I'm quite jealous of you. I wish I could join you in gushing over these amazing works of art. I love videogames that can make an emotional connection with the player, and to try these games and come away with nothing but exasperation and regret that I wasted my time completely confounds me to an unpleasant degree. 

To use an incredibly nerdy -- but game-related -- comparison, I feel like the Heartless from Kingdom Hearts, or really any stock character that is born without feelings and watches enviously as the "normal" people laugh, cry, and love, and feel things that I can't. There's an almost crushing emptiness when these games are brought up, a black hole where I know unfettered adoration ought to be. Some people think that I dislike certain games for fun and profit, but the truth is this: it's deeply uncomfortable. 

The same is true of fighting games, although there's a far more scientific reason for my disliking them -- I just can't play them. Of all the genres of games out there, the one-on-one fighting game is something I've never been able to wrap my head or hands around. Of course, it didn't help that Rise of the Robots and Primal Rage were my fighters of choice as a child, but the fact remains that, when people get excited for a new Street Fighter or Marvel vs. Capcom, I'm on the outside looking in. I can see the passion, but I cannot feel it, and I envy all of you who can. 

When Street Fighter IV released and fans begun to gibber with excitement, it was like I was a man without feet, surrounded by people who'd just bought the hottest new pair of shoes. 

The worst part is, disliking some of these games makes one feel like less of a gamer. Destructoid itself voted Shadow of the Colossus as its greatest game of the last decade. A game that means absolutely nothing to me, voted by my primary employer as the best game of an entire ten-year span. How can one not feel something of a fraud when confronted with a fact like that? 

There are plenty of gamers out there who would happily help that attitude to fester, as well. One reader told me that he'd lost "huge respect" for me after finding out that I didn't appreciate ICO or Colossus. Others in the past have entreated me with incredibly patronizing language, as if attempting to explain nuclear physics to a three-year-old. Telling hardcore gamers that you hate ICO is like telling a Tea Party supporter that you're gay ... only with a significantly decreased threat of being shot. 

Is it really so wrong to not love what everybody else loves? It certainly is frustrating, but gamers these days are so quick to jump down the throats of anybody who doesn't march in step with them that they might have forgotten that we're not all the same person. The phrase "if you hate this game, you're not a true gamer" is one that I've seen far too many times over the years -- sometimes the wording is different and the games are never the same, but the sentiment is identical across the board. If you don't like a certain game, you are a fraud, and you deserve nothing more than to become a pariah. 

"We have this weird attitude that if we don't like a popular game either we're wrong, or the game is bad," Ars Technica editor Ben Kuchera told me after my Team ICO confession. "Games aren't objectively good and bad, and we don't need to connect with every one."

Ben is right, of course. No gamer needs to love the same games as everybody else. There is no one game good enough to define the difference between a gamer and a non-gamer, and thinking that one exists is extremist thought of the highest order. 

Knowing this truth doesn't take away the sting of disliking games that so many others adore. It doesn't make one feel more justified or soothe the jealous pangs. Writing this definitely helps, though. Attempting to communicate exactly how one feels about hating the games you love is somewhat cathartic. And while there are definitely trolls out there who will take a contrary stance just to watch the feather fly -- who will say they hate a game simply to rile up its fans and make them dance like puppets -- there are others with legitimate, valid reasons for not enjoying the same things as you, and chances are good that they don't get off on it. Quite the opposite, in fact. 

So, what can you do when a videogame beloved so many is like oil on water to you? 

Nothing. 

But you can at least write a fancy little blog post about it, and hope people understand.








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Janklogs's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:04
Janklogs
"I find no fun in not having fun, and when I see other enjoying a game I cannot, it's rather horrible."

Sorry, but that just sounds so much like...

Gaidenrider's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:06
Gaidenrider
I didn't like ICO, what I've played, but I loved Shadow of Colossus. Connection? No. Fun and rather unique (the fact that most of its elements are used in a minimal state, like the bow which is usually only used to attract the attention of a colossus and nothing more)? Yes.

Either way, I respect your opinion and I don't consider it trolling. Now when you constantly bash the 3DS? That's another story :P
Stop Spoilers's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:06
Stop Spoilers
It if perfectly find to not like a game many other people like. As long you are not a ass about it and spout off nonsense like "you are retarded it you like that game". On the flip-side it is also alright to like a game everyone else hates as long as you are not ass about it. Opinion is not fact and if you present your opinions as fact like sofik and degrade everyone else you are a complete asshole.
santiagodelossantos's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:07
santiagodelossantos
I can understand why somebody doesn't like a game. It's someone's preference and tastes. Even if most people liked something, it doesn't mean that everyone should. For example, a lot of people love call of duty and war games, i hate those.
Blake Stone's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:07
Blake Stone
I didn't like the Team Ico games, either. And I have no idea why Shadow of the Colossus is the game that always gets given as an example of "art".
Rockefellow's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:08
Rockefellow
Jim, I think this post should have never been written. You're opening some gates that'll be a bitch to close. I appreciate your sentiments, though.
Isshak Ferdjani's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:08
Isshak Ferdjani
i'll read this article after i play the games, i pre ordered the HD collection and i'm going in with no opinions on it.

BUT going back to your intro, i know how you feel so much. i tried so hard to enjoy the Fallout games, The Elder Scrolls and the Mass Effect series, but i just can't. i don't find the games fun at all. and when i said the other day that Mirror's Edge was one of my favorite games, i got answers that were mostly "that's not possible, that game can not be a favorite for anyone".

so yeah, it does suck sometimes to not enjoy games other people seem to love, but i've learned to not care. I LOVE VIDEO GAMES dammit, i love what i enjoy, i don't pick what i enjoy, and if anything we need more different gamers, not similar ones.
able to think's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:10
able to think
Glad to know I'm not the only one who didn't like Shadow of the colossis. I just hated the controls and felt after such a large open world should have more to do in it. And it was fucking boring and I hated the controls for the fucking horse.
ThunderKraken's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:10
ThunderKraken
CRAAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIIIIIN!


But seriously, just because a game is critically acclaimed, doesn't mean everyone is going to like it. Just like how some people like Frost over Whitman (both depressing imho). It is all opinion based in the end. I happen to love Phantom Dust. Too bad no one else shared my love... :(
smurfee mcgee's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:10
smurfee mcgee
Well said, Jim.
I think most gamers can say the same about at least one game, If they're not busy spewing bullshit and telling each other that their opinions are invalid.
TOEmastro's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:11
TOEmastro
TROOOOOOOOOOO... actually, I never really got into these games for exactly the reasons outlined above. For those who love it, rock on
M47R1X's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:11
M47R1X
Jim, I had a forum thread on a topic of this very nature:

http://forum.destructoid.com/showthread.php?21499-Hipster-gamer-What-games-do-you-hate-that-others-love

Err'budy needs to check us out. We're Family.
JohnGrisham's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:13
JohnGrisham
You like Prince of Persia over SotC? WOW. keeping THAT in mind for the rest of your reviews from now on...
unsilentwill's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:13
unsilentwill
The issue is when people try treat it like an "emperor's new clothes" thing and look at something that has history, depth, intelligence and thought behind it and because it doesn't have what that individual wants it's somehow devoid of value. I hear people say the most horrible things about Shakespeare, and I think that's allowed to make me said. So in that case I still think you are wrong and missing out.

If I don't like something and other people hold it highly, I usually come to understand why either through culture or maturity. Some people like high culture things and some people don't bother to learn how to like them. I'd rather they give it another look and point out the moments of quality rather than be proud of the fact they don't get it.
Casey Baker's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:13
Casey Baker
I guess I could look back the awkward controls and the repetitiveness of the respective games for the imaginative storyline and the sense of dread both games evoked in me.

Though I do feel the same way about Jeff Buckley.
SourGr8pes's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:13
SourGr8pes
I hear ya on this (except for the Jeff Buckley thing).
PiggyGamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:14
PiggyGamer
I never completed Ico, but I did really like SotC. At least, I think I did.
I feel like my opinion of it has been colored somewhat by the constant praise I've heard for it since I played it.
I don't know if it's as great as I remember it, or if I even like it as much as I think I do. Looking forward to trying the Team Ico Collection soon.

I feel the same way about 2D Sonic games that Jim feels about Ico and fighting games. But it might be different because I sucked at them when I played them and haven't really given them a fair shake in recent years. I actually really liked Adventure 2 Battle, though, so my opinion is now null and void. And that GBA fighting game was good. But the side-scrollers just never clicked for me.
bodybreak's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:14
bodybreak
I get it. I've tried to get into 'deep' RPG's multiple times because all my friends love them. I just can't do it. It's fucking boring. I guess I'm just a simpleton, but give me my brawlers, shooters and action games.
Joe Ess's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:15
Joe Ess
Thats a normal thing, different strokes for different folks. I am quite fond of Shadow of the Colossus but I was never that high on Ico. I feel the way you do about certain PS1 rpgs people love so much like Xenogears and FFVII (which i feel in the grand scheme of things is probably in the middle to lower range of quality when it comes to that series.)
xenothaulus's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:15
xenothaulus
Saying "I don't like this game" is fine. Saying "I don't like this game AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU" is not.
LEONOFDEATH's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:15
LEONOFDEATH
I like Kane and Lynch 2. Most people hate it. Its normal to feel differently about things even when that thing is either bad or good.

Its like food really. Games are like food. Just not edible.
Stop Spoilers's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:16
Stop Spoilers
Able to think: yea the controls for the horse are quite bizar. You are controlling the wanderer controlling the horse not directly controlling the horse. I liked the way they did that however. But I can see people not liking it. But yea if you hate something yea you can share your thoughts about the game but your a douche if you lurk every single article/forum about the game just to say you hate the game or you call out people for liking a game.
Commander x202x's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:16
Commander x202x
I think this post was good for Jim, seems like a lot of people bash him for not liking games or things, and maybe he just need to explain how he feels rather than saying "Well I just don't like the game"... Like with me... I never liked Gow or MW ... And just recently I have found the battlefield series quite annoying and stupid... And people tell me I'm a hater all the time. I'm not a hater, I just don't like the game!
SelfDestruct94's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:17
SelfDestruct94
i played the demo for ico and enjoyed the environmental puzzles, so it was a no brainer purchase for me at the time. the controls weren't perfect but also not a barrier for entry. while playing the game i did develop a bond with yorda. the shadow beasts were tedious, combat was lame but the puzzles were great. i despise escort missions and yet ico never felt like one.

when shadow was announced, i pre-ordered it based solely on my love for ico. again the controls were spotty. however it still did not get in the way of my enjoyment of the game. i liked the challenge of figuring out how to take out each colossi. after the third one is about when i started feeling the much talked about and shared, "shadow of the colossus guilt." no other game made me feel bad for being successful in a game. the story and reveal at the end blew me away

both games to this day represent some of my favorite experiences in gaming. i look forward to the last guardian and hope that jim can find the magic that so many have found.
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:17
NegFactor
I am in the same boat regarding Ico and Shadow Of The Colossus. Moreover, I never really felt anything intense about Chrono Trigger. I thought it felt like a par-for-the-course RPG, other than loving listening to Frog's Theme. Worse than that, I don't have any love at all for Ocarina Of Time. RPGs are my favorite genre, and I loved Legend Of Zelda, as well as LTTP (and even have a little soft spot for The Adventures Of Link, despite all the things that went wrong with it), so it feels kinda weird having no close attachment to these games that everyone else raves about.
AriesSiren's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:18
AriesSiren
see this is why i love destructoid. you admit you dont like something but dont come off as a biased fanboy. I agree with you completely. while i love ico and sotc, i for one cant stand FPS or a First person view. I wish i did, but if i cant see my character I cant get invested. I need a connection and great story or im lost. I dont even like gears or war because the story and acting are some of the worst ive ever seen. it makes starship troopers look even oscar worthy by comparison. i want to love it but i cant. with first person theres this HUGE community playing call of duty, halo, resistance and bf3. Its sad because im not part of that. I want to be but i just cant get over the view which makes me nautious, or the story. so i get it. not every game is for everyone, we wish it was but thats not reality. i even bought dead island because i love zombies but i cant get over the FP view. ive tried so many times with condemned 1 and 2, jericho etc. i prefer 3rd person so im left out of the genre. we want to love it but just cant. great article
Fraser Brown's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:18
Fraser Brown
Ico is gorgeous but terribly boring. Other than the way the game looks, there is nothing to keep me playing. I wish I saw what other people see in the game, but I don't. I'm okay with that, though.
zengaku's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:19
zengaku
It's alright Jim, Ico and Shadow of the Colossus are not everyone's cup of tea and I fully understand. Hell, there are a lot of games that people that absolutely hated like FF X for example. To me, that was when the series truly started to head downhill. Another game I absolutely hated at first was Bioshock because to me it seemed to be a broken shooter but then i played it a second time when I bought it and ended up loving it. Everyone has their opinions. I adore Shadow of The Colossus and hope for the same with Ico when the collection releases this Tuesday.
Chris Creo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:21
Chris Creo
I never played much ico it seemed real cool like that dude had horns, but I look back at it now and its like oh so I do all the work and then this bitch just walks over the bridge I bult out of sticks and rubber bands. But shadow had like big monsters so it must be good right bigger is better.

....these games are about being a man in a woman controled world
Nathsies's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:22
Nathsies
No game is for 'everyone'. Every game is, at the very least, for 'someone'.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:22
Spaz
Actually Jim go to the video game forums of the gaiaonline community and you'll find a lot of people that though SOTC was a boring piece of shit.
hughescasey23's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:22
hughescasey23
I feel that way about me2. That game has an awful storyline I mean a giant company has enough money and resources to bring you back to life but can't supply you with a skilled team? It's so repettitve all you do is collect team members as every mission exept for like 3 real missions. The desicions you make have little to no impact on the game exept for like 3 big missions. I feel disappointed becuase I can't have the same expierence as everyone else with that game.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:24
Scuffles
I really didnt get into ICO but I did love the hell out of SOTC. The game was fairly straight forward and really what I loved about it is that it was essentially epic boss fight after epic boss fight. Coupled with some stunning visuals and a plot that was sufficient to tie it all together into a great overall package.

I can say I'm highly grateful that this was an HD re-release and not an HD remake of ICO/SOTC into an FPS :P

I tend to agree with those who respect your opinion of these games. Since everything about a game breaks down to opinion not unlike art or music.
Max-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:24
Max-
To be fair I had similar feelings with footbal as a kid, always thought it was wank where my friends would love the shit out of it and argue whether blues or Aston villa were better, was fun to play but to watch or play on playstation always made me go "this is crap, let's play tekken instead!"

And with ico and shadow of the colossus I loved those games, it was just a combination of everything to it, and downing the first colossus for the first time ever, not sure what it was but it felt epic in the truest sense of the word.

But yeah, opinions! Everyone has them, but no-one truly respects them (unless you're the impressionable type)
KilvasKills's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:24
KilvasKills
This is by far my most favorite article from you, Jim. Just because someone doesn't like or appreciate something you like shouldn't make their opinion any less valid.

Everyone has different tastes and reasons for liking something. I like Alpha Protocol because the story is neat and the game mechanics are so bad I can laugh at them. I like Colossus & Ico because its an experience I'd never had before.
jdriccardo's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:25
jdriccardo
Dont feel bad, I don't like them either. I can't get past the poor controls.
ManWithNoName's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:26
ManWithNoName
As many people said, the problem is not not liking a game everyone else likes, it is not liking it and make a lot of effort to dismiss said game.

For example, I love FFVII. But the FFVII haters will not just say they hate it. They will say things like the game is horrible and people who like it are all stupid. It is not enough to say 'I don't like this', they feel the need to go the extra mile and say 'I don't like this piece of shit and anybody who likes is a retard!'.

That is the problem. When you can't just say i like or hate something, but start saying 'I can't understand how there is people who like this!'.
heiyu's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:27
heiyu
I only saw Jim once when I was at PAX from across the con floor. This article makes me wish I had acted on impulse to run up, hug him and tell him to never stop doing what he does.
LibrarianMike's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:29
LibrarianMike
I feel you Jim. I hated Ico, and never actually played SOTC. I didn't really like Bioshock either. No question it's a quality game, but the gameplay was too boring.
*cue 'you're playing it wrong' outcry*
Max-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:29
Max-
Also, younshould totally include alpha protocol into this post ;)
RocketKnight's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:29
RocketKnight
I'm with you on this. SoC just never hit it for me; I felt the gameplay was too sub-par to actually enjoy, and it was very slow. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and if someone judges you simply based on whether or not you like a certain video game isn't worth the worry anyway.
Stop Spoilers's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:31
Stop Spoilers
I love FF13 while you hate it Jim. But I also share your love for FF9 ( that is my favorite).
xOMG KITTEHx's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:33
xOMG KITTEHx
It's cool Jim I have more fun playing Dynasty Warriors than SotC.
Adam Lawson's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:33
Adam Lawson
I've been gaming for better than two decades, and while my opinions of the two games AREN'T identical, I can certainly understand the sentiments involved. I still really like ICO, in spite of its flaws, but I wasn't as in love with Shadows. I don't HATE the game, and I pushed myself to beat it, but my own thoughts on the awkward controls and lack of things to do between boss fights led to a bit of controversy in the Outer Heaven chat. Same thing goes for Mirror's Edge as well (sorry Grav!).

@Gresham: I LOVE the Prince of Persia games, definitely a lot more than Shadows. This happens sometimes.
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:35
Electrium
That said, this is one of my all-time favorite pieces I've read on Destructoid.

I can totally relate: I just don't get so many popular western games. People talk about how this is "the most crazy year of gaming ever" with Gears 3, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Uncharted 3, Skyrim, and many others being released, but I can't bring myself to enjoy any of those games. Stuff like the Team ICO HD collection is more of my style, but there are so few gamers like me in my area.

Simply put, it's not fun sitting on the sideline and watching your friends all talk about the same game while not being able to offer anything constructive.
muttonface's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:35
muttonface
I can't comment on ICO but I will say this about Shadow of the Colossus. It seems you only played the game "a little" and I think that is where you fail in being able to appreciate the game.

Shadow is a game that grows on you immensely and by the end you will love it. I remember playing the game early on and I didn't get it either. It's kind of like the original Mass Effect for me, I tried playing that game THREE times before but I just couldn't get into it and guess what happened after my fourth try? The Mass Effect series is probably my favorite game series of this generation.

Fundamentally there is nothing wrong with if the game didn't engage you enough in it's early stages for you to care about going on. Ultimately that is the games fault but I know for certain if I didn't keep on persisting through Shadow of The Colossus I would not have experienced what I believe now is one of the greatest games ever.
Rynryouko's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:35
Rynryouko
"Telling hardcore gamers that you hate ICO is like telling a Tea Party supporter that you're gay ... only with a significantly decreased threat of being shot. "

Sterling, it's comments like this that make me lose respect for you, not your video game criticism. I'm one of the few that believes that your stark cynicism is a positive thing that is not just blatantly polarizing. While I don't always agree with you, your surly demeanor forces people to approach and consider different perspectives. But when you do these "religious zealot = republican" pot shot nonsense that you do from time to time, it's so tactless and stereotypical that cuts off your credibility at the knees. It makes a it appear that your baseless shots at the likes of the tea party movement and fox news is the same kind of nonsense, stereotype mindset that you apply to your opinion of video games. I personally know better than this, but the more you do this, the more that I can't help but stop and wonder. I'm holding out for you always, but it's just barely now... just barely.

Now before you or anyone else think "hurrdurr just a butthurt republifag", seriously consider this. Do you not see how these things you say eats away at your credibility as a journalist? Please take this to heart, Jim.
Mulk Calathar's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:35
Mulk Calathar
Sigh. This from the distinguished mind that brought us Red Seeds/Deadly Premonition 10/10. Yep.
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:36
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
It's okay Jim, I don't expect you or anyone else to always like what I like, nor do I wish to force them to see my point of view. :]

I love video games, but I realize we all have different taste.

Different strokes for different folks.
Voxeril's Avatar - Comment posted on 09/24/2011 16:38
Voxeril
Silly Jim! Your like a Nobody! Not a heartless.

Also I understand, I cant get into Mass Effect because I get so bloody bored.
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