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Why make the consumer pay for a security feature that ONLY protects Sony? That I don't like and I love Sony....
The whole no mass USB thing sucks for movies and music but totally makes sense from a gaming side of view for a stand against piracy, though I am sure someone will crack the memory card at some point in time.
As long as they let me toss on whatever music and movies I want then I'm ok with it. If they hassle the crap out of me over what THEY say can go on MY Vita then that might be the deal breaker for me.
The whole no mass USB thing sucks for movies and music but totally makes sense from a gaming side of view for a stand against piracy, though I am sure someone will crack the memory card at some point in time.
As long as they let me toss on whatever music and movies I want then I'm ok with it. If they hassle the crap out of me over what THEY say can go on MY Vita then that might be the deal breaker for me.
I wish they'd just admit they get aroused whenever they have a proprietary format. I'd respect their honesty.
By security they mean securing themselves against piracy. These memory cards offer nothing but inconvenience to the end consumer and at this point I wish they were just selling Vita's that had internal storage.
I really wanted to like the Vita... and maybe even get one.
But Sony is making it soo hard to feel that way.
But Sony is making it soo hard to feel that way.
When will Sony learn? My interest in the vita is minimal at best but with stupid crap like this it has officially gone into the negative. Useless attempts to prevent piracy only punish the paying customers.
Dear Sony:
If "security" is your main concern, why did you not include the smallest 4GB card with the system?
Sincerely,
The guy with the shovel at the end of the parade.
If "security" is your main concern, why did you not include the smallest 4GB card with the system?
Sincerely,
The guy with the shovel at the end of the parade.
The sad thing is, I'll shake my head at Sony's bullshit and yet still commit to their system, like I did with the PlayStation 2.
I 'll wait til Sony, just like Nintendo, loses alot of $ because people won' t buy the Vita drops the price and has to sell. I say don' t buy the Vita!!!
Really Sony? So every single other handheld (3DS), phone etc device is fine with the possibility of piracy if they include extra storage and you aren't? How about you include built in storage in the console in the first place if you worry so much about piracy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity
You figure out whether this is a good thing or not.
You figure out whether this is a good thing or not.
I get it! It's a preemptive attack on our wallets! That way, we'll already be broke so when the pirates and the hackers try to get at our wallets they can't because it's already at FUCKING ZERO!
Wasn't this the same reason on the PSP memory card? How well that work out for ya?
And if they allow transfer from a PC at all, even through their software, it will be broken. Just use good encryption on the card and they wouldn't have had to worry about the physical format of the card at all.
And if they allow transfer from a PC at all, even through their software, it will be broken. Just use good encryption on the card and they wouldn't have had to worry about the physical format of the card at all.
Keep pissing on your own parade, Sony. I appreciate that you have to look like you're getting tough on pirates after the the casual level piracy on the PSP to get publishers to sign on, but you're going about this wrong. Making it more expensive is not the answer.
you can complain about Sony all you want, but you cant deny that part of this is to stop pirates. So complain about them as well.
Part is due to Sony wanting to recoup losses on each Vita sold, but you can ignore both sides
Part is due to Sony wanting to recoup losses on each Vita sold, but you can ignore both sides
If they went with sd cards people would be playing pirated games day one
Gotta admit the Vita would be the ultimate emulation and piracy tool
but booting the cost onto the customer is not right and someone will find a way to hack these cards anyway and upload what ever iso's they please from their computer
Gotta admit the Vita would be the ultimate emulation and piracy tool
but booting the cost onto the customer is not right and someone will find a way to hack these cards anyway and upload what ever iso's they please from their computer
security is fine but the customer shouldnt have to pay for it.
Sony can take the vita and stick it where the sun dont shine
Sony can take the vita and stick it where the sun dont shine
Yeah, Sony's financial security that is. Fuck'em i'll wait and see what happens, it worked with the 3DS.
A large part of me is glad Sony is going this route. It makes my decision NOT to buy one that much easier.
Sony products are no longer so great that they can get away with over priced, proprietary data storage nonsense.
Sony is consistently telling me what I CAN'T do with their products instead of letting me do what I want.
"Oh, I'm sorry, that CD isn't created by Sony Music, so it won't play on your disc man." How insane does that sound?
That's what I feel like with their rejection of industry standards. I hope it has an ultra proprietary charging technology to tie in with their software manager and data storage =/
Obviously, it's all in the consumer's best interest.
Sony products are no longer so great that they can get away with over priced, proprietary data storage nonsense.
Sony is consistently telling me what I CAN'T do with their products instead of letting me do what I want.
"Oh, I'm sorry, that CD isn't created by Sony Music, so it won't play on your disc man." How insane does that sound?
That's what I feel like with their rejection of industry standards. I hope it has an ultra proprietary charging technology to tie in with their software manager and data storage =/
Obviously, it's all in the consumer's best interest.
@BrowneyeWinkin
"If they went with sd cards people would be playing pirated games day one."
Odds are, they will anyways.
"If they went with sd cards people would be playing pirated games day one."
Odds are, they will anyways.
If Vita is going to succeed the system has to be secure enough that publishers and developers can actually make money selling their software. PSP sold great, but no one bought the software.
I personally tend to believe that this is in large part because there simply isn't a large market for high-priced, console-like experiences on a handheld. However, PSP is probably the most concrete example of piracy hurting a platform in the history of video games. Now it's possible that without easy access to pirated copies that PSP games would not only have not sold, but also not been played by anyone. This new memory card format seems like Sony's chance to determine that for sure.
If the "security" features work and the software sells they're vindicated and all of you claiming that the cards are too expensive will need to finally shut the fuck up. If the software doesn't sell, but the system isn't widely cracked, then it reinforces that the high end dedicated handheld market simply doesn't exist, which means you guys should all shut the fuck up because you weren't buying it anyway. Same goes for the scenario in which Vita follows PSP down the widely cracked, ubiquitous piracy path.
The only way that your whining can be justified is if Vita sells well, has strong software sales, and the security doesn't work. Unless you find this outcome to be likely (and you shouldn't) then you should really just shut the fuck up since you're either not going to buy it or you're part of the extremely small niche market that still exists for such a product. In the case of the former, just ignore it; for the latter, realize that a product like Vita is going to not exist or cost a huge amount when servicing only a small audience. Either way, you've got no leg to stand on complaining about the cost.
Now I'll go shut the fuck up and wait for them to port the Vita titles that interest me to Playstation 4.
I personally tend to believe that this is in large part because there simply isn't a large market for high-priced, console-like experiences on a handheld. However, PSP is probably the most concrete example of piracy hurting a platform in the history of video games. Now it's possible that without easy access to pirated copies that PSP games would not only have not sold, but also not been played by anyone. This new memory card format seems like Sony's chance to determine that for sure.
If the "security" features work and the software sells they're vindicated and all of you claiming that the cards are too expensive will need to finally shut the fuck up. If the software doesn't sell, but the system isn't widely cracked, then it reinforces that the high end dedicated handheld market simply doesn't exist, which means you guys should all shut the fuck up because you weren't buying it anyway. Same goes for the scenario in which Vita follows PSP down the widely cracked, ubiquitous piracy path.
The only way that your whining can be justified is if Vita sells well, has strong software sales, and the security doesn't work. Unless you find this outcome to be likely (and you shouldn't) then you should really just shut the fuck up since you're either not going to buy it or you're part of the extremely small niche market that still exists for such a product. In the case of the former, just ignore it; for the latter, realize that a product like Vita is going to not exist or cost a huge amount when servicing only a small audience. Either way, you've got no leg to stand on complaining about the cost.
Now I'll go shut the fuck up and wait for them to port the Vita titles that interest me to Playstation 4.
I get the data management software thing since that's no different from itunes, but I don't understand why al Sony external media devices are so expensive. The memory stick duo didn't do anything more than SD cards besides cost more and this new card is no different.
@Excel-2011 "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity
You figure out whether this is a good thing or not."
I LOL'd so hard at this. I never really thought about this as violating one of the 12 principals of information security but it really fits that to a T.
I agree with the sentiment that most people are having here. Sony is more interested in "Can't" than "Can." Sony needs to understand that they cannot have these anti-consumer policies. I have been a die hard sony fan since the PS1 but this makes me very fearful for the PS4. What is next? You must always have the PS4 connected to the internet or you cant use the device?
I may need to go back to Microsoft(I loved the original Xbox) depending on what kind of crazy DRM methods Sony uses going forward.
You figure out whether this is a good thing or not."
I LOL'd so hard at this. I never really thought about this as violating one of the 12 principals of information security but it really fits that to a T.
I agree with the sentiment that most people are having here. Sony is more interested in "Can't" than "Can." Sony needs to understand that they cannot have these anti-consumer policies. I have been a die hard sony fan since the PS1 but this makes me very fearful for the PS4. What is next? You must always have the PS4 connected to the internet or you cant use the device?
I may need to go back to Microsoft(I loved the original Xbox) depending on what kind of crazy DRM methods Sony uses going forward.
I call BS because at the very least every system could have had 2GB internal storage.
They're just using Piracy as an escape goat. True Piracy was a huge problem for the PSP, and I understand and support them taking higher security measures against them, but these cards are a little too much. The huge advantage the Vita has over the 3DS is it's online store and ability to have multiple games on a card this takes away the biggest strength of buying digital. Buying everything digital will be more expensive because you're going to need to spend alot on memory.
I still plan on getting a Vita, but they need to iron out these problems first. Us, the legitimate customers are getting screwed over because of this. Now I'm a Sony fanboy who owns all of their gaming devices, but even I have to draw the line somewhere.
They're just using Piracy as an escape goat. True Piracy was a huge problem for the PSP, and I understand and support them taking higher security measures against them, but these cards are a little too much. The huge advantage the Vita has over the 3DS is it's online store and ability to have multiple games on a card this takes away the biggest strength of buying digital. Buying everything digital will be more expensive because you're going to need to spend alot on memory.
I still plan on getting a Vita, but they need to iron out these problems first. Us, the legitimate customers are getting screwed over because of this. Now I'm a Sony fanboy who owns all of their gaming devices, but even I have to draw the line somewhere.
@hpv
I would agree with you about the security and piracy mumbo jumbo except this: They don't have to charge such outrageous prices for their data storage solutions.
They CHOOSE to charge so much. It is, after all, proprietary and that means they own it. If, as a company, they choose to sell this product to themselves at such a high price, that is on Sony and its internal divisions, again, demonstrating terrible business practices.
Besides, does anyone think this thing won't get hacked within a week or a month of release? Then the endless cycle of patches/hacks will begin, again screwing over the customer.
I'm going to go watch a movie on Netflix now. Oh wait, I need to install another update. I guess I'll have to wait 20 minutes.
I would agree with you about the security and piracy mumbo jumbo except this: They don't have to charge such outrageous prices for their data storage solutions.
They CHOOSE to charge so much. It is, after all, proprietary and that means they own it. If, as a company, they choose to sell this product to themselves at such a high price, that is on Sony and its internal divisions, again, demonstrating terrible business practices.
Besides, does anyone think this thing won't get hacked within a week or a month of release? Then the endless cycle of patches/hacks will begin, again screwing over the customer.
I'm going to go watch a movie on Netflix now. Oh wait, I need to install another update. I guess I'll have to wait 20 minutes.
It will take all of a few weeks for hackers to work around this, and even Sony knows it. The glorious piracy boogieman rears his familiar head once again, and as always, his appearance means arbitrarily high prices for something that is absolutely positively needed to fight him.
I read an article a few weeks or so ago on Sony's fall from grace across the board, and it is things like this that were made obvious by that article. Sony has such a boner for proprietary bullshit that their own pride comes before anything else (Sony's CD guys didn't want anything to do with the death of their format, so Apple snuck in and destroyed their portable music player market share, for example).
Wanna know how bad Sony is at its own game these days? Their most profitable endeavor is life insurance. Life insurance.
I read an article a few weeks or so ago on Sony's fall from grace across the board, and it is things like this that were made obvious by that article. Sony has such a boner for proprietary bullshit that their own pride comes before anything else (Sony's CD guys didn't want anything to do with the death of their format, so Apple snuck in and destroyed their portable music player market share, for example).
Wanna know how bad Sony is at its own game these days? Their most profitable endeavor is life insurance. Life insurance.
@Wakatashi: I'm glad you know how to save. Sadly, you don't seem to be able to tell when you're being ripped off when a company pulls the ol' "proprietary format" trick. And you know what they say: a fool and his money are soon parted.
Whatever. They've been using those crappy proprietary Memory Sticks for well over a decade, so I sincerely doubt there's any high-tech security kung fu involved. Y'know, I wish for once these companies would just admit they are just trying to milk as much money as possible. Telling us this is for our own good insults our intelligence.
And again, cheap $10 MP3 players come with gigs of memory on board. So there's no reason this device can't have more internal storage.
And again, cheap $10 MP3 players come with gigs of memory on board. So there's no reason this device can't have more internal storage.
Ugh... this is getting worse all the time. Now, I'm normally a "software sells consoles" kind of guy. I bought an original PSP, primarily because of how hackable it was. I was able to rip my PS1 games and play them on the go. I could dump a bunch of music and movies from my computer (as easy as plugging into the card reader) and listen/watch on the go. And, after a while, some great UMD's came out, too (Jeanne D'Arc, Prinny, FFT all come to mind). For a rather small investment, I got a lot of usability out of the device. Vita, which I was initially interested in for the tech (although portable Uncharted makes a fine argument as well), is raising flag after flag. The memory cards are a scam, plain and simple, a way for Sony to sell a $400 device for only "$250". The restrictions on content transfer are ridiculous. Sony's concern over maintaining total control over their products, even after purchase, is encroaching on my enjoyment of said products. I'll still buy a Vita. But it won't be until there's a few "must-have" games in the official library. And cheap memory cards are available. And I'll probably buy it used. I'll probably homebrew it, too, not even to pirate anything (although if I can still dump my PSP eboots on there, it'd be wonderful), but just to maintain some semblance of control over the device I "own".
Sony had a shot with this one, to do things right. They're blowing it.
Sony had a shot with this one, to do things right. They're blowing it.
And then someone cracks the firmware, develops their own content transfer program, and none of this matters again.
As much as I want to play Disgaea 3 on the go, the Vita seems less and less like a worthwhile purchase as the weeks go by. I appreciated the fact that I could actually save all my save data from games, and move them to another device, or card, when the time came.
If these memory sticks are anything like the ones the PSP and other sony products used at the time, they will go on sale, people will buy them to replace their old cards, which would call for the transfer of your old data, to a new card. This was quick and easy on the PSP, and having freedom to add music, photos, and movies via simply dragging & dropping was great. Though, I put up with iTune's bullshit enough as it is, I don't think I really have the patience to deal with more 1st party apps that make things more complicated than they need to be.
If these memory sticks are anything like the ones the PSP and other sony products used at the time, they will go on sale, people will buy them to replace their old cards, which would call for the transfer of your old data, to a new card. This was quick and easy on the PSP, and having freedom to add music, photos, and movies via simply dragging & dropping was great. Though, I put up with iTune's bullshit enough as it is, I don't think I really have the patience to deal with more 1st party apps that make things more complicated than they need to be.
So your "security" makes your flash memory cost 5x as much as regular flash memory somehow, eh Sony?
Had pre-order money set aside, will now be waiting for a 3DS-like price-drop.
I was tempted, but the whole memory card fiasco has sobered me up to any ideas of becoming a customer at launch.
I was tempted, but the whole memory card fiasco has sobered me up to any ideas of becoming a customer at launch.
And yet, you seem to leave out "According to a translation by Andriasang, Shimada says Sony didn't use universal memory like SD cards because it wanted to make sure everyone had an "equal condition." In other words, because SD cards have various classes and speeds, Sony wanted to make sure every customer would have the same transfer rate and experience while accessing their data during gameplay. "
is it priced too high? ya kinda, depends on the transfer rate. Will it kill the vita? Nope. Still buying it
At the very least, get the sand out of your vag and buy the $25 card
is it priced too high? ya kinda, depends on the transfer rate. Will it kill the vita? Nope. Still buying it
At the very least, get the sand out of your vag and buy the $25 card
"Your PC will not work as mass storage, as Sony blocked that function. If you want to transfer files, you'll need to do so with Sony's content management program."
i have officially decided against purchasing this, as 75 - 80% of what i use my current psp for is music and video. guess i'm sticking to that. bummer.
i have officially decided against purchasing this, as 75 - 80% of what i use my current psp for is music and video. guess i'm sticking to that. bummer.
For every action there is a reaction. This is just going to piss off a bunch of hackers. In return they will try even harder to hack the vita which I see getting hacked within the first week of release.
And DRM has stopped piracy!...
... oh, no, no wait. It hasn't. Piracy in games with or without DRM is exactly the same (if not higher, since Spore, with DRM, was the most pirated game of all time once).
The only people who suffer are the customers who love and support the industry.
I wish they flat out admitted "we just want more money". It would at least be honest and not insulting to our intelligence.
... oh, no, no wait. It hasn't. Piracy in games with or without DRM is exactly the same (if not higher, since Spore, with DRM, was the most pirated game of all time once).
The only people who suffer are the customers who love and support the industry.
I wish they flat out admitted "we just want more money". It would at least be honest and not insulting to our intelligence.
You know, I don't have such a problem with this. Everyone about shit their pants when they heard the vita would "only" be $250. This is how they make hardware people can afford: can't afford a $350 system? Then buy the cheap card. Folks that buy the expensive (and their will plenty) card subsidize the ones who can't. Sony's been talking about tiered game pricing; well, welcome to tiered hardware pricing. This is also why the vita doesn't have internal memory. Keeps the cost down and allows for sale of memory cards.
Instead of bitchin', all y'all that will inevitably buy one of these things with the cheap card should thank them that you can afford it.
As for the psp being a failure, I'm pretty sure it sold like crazy in japan if no where else. Maybe that was enough?
Personally, I'm excited about this product. But then, I also love my psp go, having never purchased a prior version as they seemed to big and clunky to be truly portable.
Instead of bitchin', all y'all that will inevitably buy one of these things with the cheap card should thank them that you can afford it.
As for the psp being a failure, I'm pretty sure it sold like crazy in japan if no where else. Maybe that was enough?
Personally, I'm excited about this product. But then, I also love my psp go, having never purchased a prior version as they seemed to big and clunky to be truly portable.
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