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This Obsidian guy can suck my dick. All of Obsidians games are only worth it IF I can buy them used anyway. Douchebag.
My brother believes that if video games (as well as books and movies) were to become completely digital, companies would most surely follow in Steam's footsteps and constantly put games up for sale.
Honestly though, I think he is being too naive.
Honestly though, I think he is being too naive.
why does it have to be the heart? why not the anus or better yet the knee, that seems to stop alot of things nowadays
Perhaps they should first stab the numerous bugs in their coding in the heart before moving onto used game sales.
why would I want a future where games never go down in price because of lack of competition. Also there is a huge majority of people who cant realistically download huge games or dont have access to internet at all. Locking out customers because you have a grudge against used sales is retarded.
digital distribution would be "fair" if the price difference compared to retail would be significant. right now it's the same price, which means more going to the publisher, and more expensive for us when we run out of disc space...
Jim.. honestly..? It's not like he was advocating some of the (reasonable) policies being pushed elsewhere. He was just saying that he hopes digital leads to a phasing out of used games. That seems both reasonable and logical....
And, really, you're trying to scare people away from digital? Let's face it people: digital isn't the future. It's the present. The digital market is bigger on PC than the box-and-mortar market (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - at least in the U.S.), and it's already a large market on consoles, phones, and handhelds. The future isn't even digital.. it's cloud gaming. Acting like digital sales is the Devil is soooo 2005.
And, really, you're trying to scare people away from digital? Let's face it people: digital isn't the future. It's the present. The digital market is bigger on PC than the box-and-mortar market (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - at least in the U.S.), and it's already a large market on consoles, phones, and handhelds. The future isn't even digital.. it's cloud gaming. Acting like digital sales is the Devil is soooo 2005.
Surely EAvand Activision wouldn't attempt to get a stranglehold on an all digital market. Not those guys. They're just trying to make an honest buck. It's not like they're already charging $60 bucks for an incomplete game then charging another $20 to $30 in DLC to get the complete experience.
"digital distribution would be "fair" if the price difference compared to retail would be significant. right now it's the same price, which means more going to the publisher, and more expensive for us when we run out of disc space..." - I'm not sure where you buy your digital games, but I've bought like 10 games over the last month for 20 bucks. Also, why should digital be less? Because you don't get a box and a worthless CD (God knows, with patches and DLC, you'll be downloading the size of the game over again anyway). Also, let's keep in mind that there are CD/DVD/BR options with lots of DRM, and there are digital options (like GoG) without any DRM. Shit, a lot of the games on GoG are the only non-DRM versions available.
OH NOES TEH DIGITALS WILL GETS US!
OH NOES TEH DIGITALS WILL GETS US!
Hahahaha, this is coming from the company who can't make a bug free game if their lives depended on it. I would say half their sales come from used games alone, because most informed gamers wait a bit before buying their games because of them relying on later patches to actually work properly.
Obsidian and Bethesda, shut the fuck up please.
Obsidian and Bethesda, shut the fuck up please.
Wow, all of you people are crazy. What the hell is so scary about digital games? It's amazing how behind the times Dtoid has become. It's like I'm in a God damn old folks home.
Pretty soon, Jim will write an editorial about how "the kids" wear saggy pants and how TV is corrupting America's youth.
Pretty soon, Jim will write an editorial about how "the kids" wear saggy pants and how TV is corrupting America's youth.
"Of course, one of the greatest things about digital distribution is what it does to prevent consumers from actually owning the product they purchased."
Fixed.
Fixed.
digital distribution can be a great thing for consumers to take advantage of, not greedy ass publishers/developers.
I'm with you on this one killias2. DD is fantastic. Also, as for the EA and Activision doomsaying, IMO one of the best benefits of DD is the fact that developers should be able to bypass large publishers entirely.
hey, all digital means no online passes right?
and even if games still went digital at full price, the digital market has shown that frequent sales mirroring retail products works really well, and devs still get a good portion of money, as opposed to y'know none of it
and even if games still went digital at full price, the digital market has shown that frequent sales mirroring retail products works really well, and devs still get a good portion of money, as opposed to y'know none of it
Let me translate. Obsidian has made shit games this entire console gen, and so now they want to kill thousands of US jobs during a recession by killing used games just so they can force you to pay higher prices for shitty games and never drop the price. Instead they could just try making something that doesn't suck ass, but no.
I'll bet a hundred heads of sheep there's some lack of context here.
As in, Obsidian probably gets the most screwed by the used game market. As in, the second quote is them wanting to self-publish and do smaller titles, an admirable goal for a developer whose employees have been fucked over by major publishers more times than they can probably count.
As in, Obsidian probably gets the most screwed by the used game market. As in, the second quote is them wanting to self-publish and do smaller titles, an admirable goal for a developer whose employees have been fucked over by major publishers more times than they can probably count.
to be completely honest, I don't see why publishers always had a problem with used games. many consumers who buy used games don't see that they are doing anything wrong and often feel like they are supporting the game industry. since they are not breaking the law, and seem to have good faith that they are supporting games developers ( regardless of how wrong they may be) and then these developers view them with derision, it's not really fair? it's very disrespectful.
instead why do they not simply enforce their rights. since video games are so0ftware then anybody simply buying a disc and not paying for the license to use the software, the shop selling that goods, is misleading the customer. technically if the shop is not giving teh developer the cost of the license for the software, they are essentially stealing.
I don't see what legal complications there could be. it seems to me that if they write in their legal mumbo jumbo, that the sale of goods is a non transferable license to use the software, then by purchasing a game back as pre-owned they would be violating the agreement. I just don't see what the big hubbub is. why don't these idiots just cover their legal issues properly.
instead why do they not simply enforce their rights. since video games are so0ftware then anybody simply buying a disc and not paying for the license to use the software, the shop selling that goods, is misleading the customer. technically if the shop is not giving teh developer the cost of the license for the software, they are essentially stealing.
I don't see what legal complications there could be. it seems to me that if they write in their legal mumbo jumbo, that the sale of goods is a non transferable license to use the software, then by purchasing a game back as pre-owned they would be violating the agreement. I just don't see what the big hubbub is. why don't these idiots just cover their legal issues properly.
Do all of the other industries complain when their customers try to sell the items that they bought and now OWN?
He is going to be very disappointed. There will always be an option for brick and mortar stores because there are always going to be some people that just want their physical media as a way of permanently owning what they buy and as long as there are brick and mortar stores to sell games there will be used games sold. Game companies would also be very foolish to exclusively sell their games online because they will lose a lot of christmas sales from people that dont know how digital distribution works and want to buy a gift for their child or grandchild
I don't see anything in his comments about publishers (it reads to me like he wants to self publish) or anything of the like. Not sure how this became about EA or Activision taking developers money....
Right now we are lucky that the main digital publisher for PC games is Valve, and they are quite friendly for a rich as fuck corporation. I don't see how more digital distribution would decrease competition. The market is pretty much a free for all. Sure right now Valve dominates on PC, but as it gets bigger there is more and more room for other distribution methods to pop up.
Right now we are lucky that the main digital publisher for PC games is Valve, and they are quite friendly for a rich as fuck corporation. I don't see how more digital distribution would decrease competition. The market is pretty much a free for all. Sure right now Valve dominates on PC, but as it gets bigger there is more and more room for other distribution methods to pop up.
Funnily enough I never would have played half their games without used game stores. Make games that aren't shit, Obsidian, then we can talk.
"Let me translate. Obsidian has made shit games this entire console gen, and so now they want to kill thousands of US jobs during a recession by killing used games just so they can force you to pay higher prices for shitty games and never drop the price. Instead they could just try making something that doesn't suck ass, but no.
LOL! New Vegas, despite the bugs, was a fantastic game. Also, I highly doubt that killing used games would reslt in the loss of "thousands of jobs" or higher prices. Hell, pretty much all logic and evidence point in the exact opposite direction. Steam, gamersgate, GoG, Direct2Drive all have digital games, no used games sales (and the PC market, in general, has little of a used game sale market), yet all their prices are significantly lower than box and mortar shops.
Let me translate. You're entirely wrong.
LOL! New Vegas, despite the bugs, was a fantastic game. Also, I highly doubt that killing used games would reslt in the loss of "thousands of jobs" or higher prices. Hell, pretty much all logic and evidence point in the exact opposite direction. Steam, gamersgate, GoG, Direct2Drive all have digital games, no used games sales (and the PC market, in general, has little of a used game sale market), yet all their prices are significantly lower than box and mortar shops.
Let me translate. You're entirely wrong.
@killias
The expression is BRICK AND MORTAR. If you're gonna try nit picking people you might as well get your shit straight first.
The expression is BRICK AND MORTAR. If you're gonna try nit picking people you might as well get your shit straight first.
Jeez, it's like used games went and raped his entire family in front of him and taped it.
You mad that your games aren't selling because they're not selling in the first place?
You mad that your games aren't selling because they're not selling in the first place?
@pokota
They do make money...the first time the product is sold. Car companies don't make money when a car is sold used but you don't see them trying to squash that market.
I don't buy used games, but I don't hate that there is a market for them either. Some people just can't afford to pay full price for something they'll beat in seven hours.
They do make money...the first time the product is sold. Car companies don't make money when a car is sold used but you don't see them trying to squash that market.
I don't buy used games, but I don't hate that there is a market for them either. Some people just can't afford to pay full price for something they'll beat in seven hours.
Not surprising, I've met very few people inside the industry that don't think that used game sales are bullshit.
I can't believe people are getting upset about an independent developer which wants to make more money off their titles so they can self publish instead of having to go through companies like EA or Activision.
"The expression is BRICK AND MORTAR. If you're gonna try nit picking people you might as well get your shit straight first."
Sorry for my minor mistake. However, I wasn't nitpicking people. I was arguing against their core logic. Those are sort of different. For example, if you debate someone's central argument, you are having a discussion. If you nitpick a typo and swear at someone, you are being an asshole.
Sorry for my minor mistake. However, I wasn't nitpicking people. I was arguing against their core logic. Those are sort of different. For example, if you debate someone's central argument, you are having a discussion. If you nitpick a typo and swear at someone, you are being an asshole.
Digital distribution won't have the success current triple-A games have until good internet is widely available at a low cost and the games are priced reasonably. Indie games are a great example of this. The lack of a publisher along with low distribution and shipping costs can significantly lower the price of a game.
Well Obsidian charges triple-A prices for their decidedly single-A games so no wonder they have a problem. Just price match Gamestop. They'd make more money than with a that stupid online pass shit that everyone has jumped on and that only retards buy. C'mon, my logic is flawless.
"Digital distribution won't have the success current triple-A games have until good internet is widely available at a low cost and the games are priced reasonably. Indie games are a great example of this."
What? http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - in 2011 in the U.S., 2.5 billion dollars was spent on PC digital sales. Compare that with 8 billion dollars spent on -all- console (360/PS3/Wii... Xbox/PS2/GC... and PSP/DS/3DS) purchases during the same period in the U.S. In other words, PC digital, by itself, generates as much revenue as one of the major consoles.
Also, speaking of indies.. ever hear of Minecraft? That sort of did well.... In fact, I think indies are all gaga over digital distribution. Between the indie bundles, Steam, and GamersGate, indie games have been flourishing.
What? http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/07/05/pcgaming-trends-2011/ - in 2011 in the U.S., 2.5 billion dollars was spent on PC digital sales. Compare that with 8 billion dollars spent on -all- console (360/PS3/Wii... Xbox/PS2/GC... and PSP/DS/3DS) purchases during the same period in the U.S. In other words, PC digital, by itself, generates as much revenue as one of the major consoles.
Also, speaking of indies.. ever hear of Minecraft? That sort of did well.... In fact, I think indies are all gaga over digital distribution. Between the indie bundles, Steam, and GamersGate, indie games have been flourishing.
Yeah, make them all digital, then everyone makes their own version of Origin so there's no competition and then keep the price tag at $60 forever.
No thanks.
No thanks.
Will digital stab $60 games in the heart? Or are you expecting us to pay as much for a license to download from which you get about 70% of the profits as for a physical product from which the retailer takes a good chunk of the price?
Also, what about the price decrease curve? Will that survive the transition to your new utopia? Or will we be stuck with Sony-style "Full price for twice as long, and nothing you can do about it!" deals?
'Cause if so, expect to see fewer sales, buckoes.
Also, what about the price decrease curve? Will that survive the transition to your new utopia? Or will we be stuck with Sony-style "Full price for twice as long, and nothing you can do about it!" deals?
'Cause if so, expect to see fewer sales, buckoes.
Well, this will go one of two ways.
1. Games will go all digital, games will get less expensive because of this fact and there will be a new gaming consumer boom because of it.
2. With console going all digital, those consumers that have no Broadband connection or a connection where downloading games (like my own) is either blocked by ISP data caps or just takes days to download 1 game. And dont give me that crap about if you dont have broadband, you shouldnt have a gaming system. Some of us dont have an option. At least in the US, ISPs and content providers are at war with each other and the consumer is caught in the middle.
1. Games will go all digital, games will get less expensive because of this fact and there will be a new gaming consumer boom because of it.
2. With console going all digital, those consumers that have no Broadband connection or a connection where downloading games (like my own) is either blocked by ISP data caps or just takes days to download 1 game. And dont give me that crap about if you dont have broadband, you shouldnt have a gaming system. Some of us dont have an option. At least in the US, ISPs and content providers are at war with each other and the consumer is caught in the middle.
@crackedbat
Car manufacturers make more profit on OEM parts, and car dealerships make much of their money on service and labor. Not really a good comparison.
Car manufacturers make more profit on OEM parts, and car dealerships make much of their money on service and labor. Not really a good comparison.
"Will digital stab $60 games in the heart? " - On PC, they already have. I bought Deus Ex for 30 bucks a week after release. Battlefield 3 has already been available for 35 bucks -twice-, and that's despite being exclusive to Origin. I bought Fallout 3 with all the DLC for like 8 bucks a year after release.
Honestly, I'm so confused by you people. Do you not live in the present? Have I walked in on an anachronistic joke of some kind? I'm both worried and confused.
Honestly, I'm so confused by you people. Do you not live in the present? Have I walked in on an anachronistic joke of some kind? I'm both worried and confused.
Honestly I don't see why we can't have both. Believe it or not, there are some people who either don't have a internet connection or have one that isn't as reliable, therefore making digital distribution services like Steam or XBLA pointless. They are also people who don't have much money to afford $60 dollar games, making the used game market a necessity. On the other hand, there may be people who live too far from an actual game store to make going out and getting a physical copy of a game worthwhile.
To me these arguments about physical vs. digitial / used vs. new is really just a matter of preference, like listening to a vinyl record of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" vs. getting it on a CD: both will get you the same awesome song, so who cares how you got it?
To me these arguments about physical vs. digitial / used vs. new is really just a matter of preference, like listening to a vinyl record of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" vs. getting it on a CD: both will get you the same awesome song, so who cares how you got it?
@killias
I'd say it's pretty nit picky to ignore parts of their argument to prove a point in something else, or at least attempt to.
I'd say it's pretty nit picky to ignore parts of their argument to prove a point in something else, or at least attempt to.
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