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Obsidian thinks sex for sex's sake is ridiculous photo

Sex is something that's popping up a lot in games lately. Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 2 will have it, Assassin's Creed 2 will have it, and Alpha Protocol will have it. However, this doesn't mean that the sex is being thrust into games for pure titillation. That would be ridiculous.

"I think the focus on sex solely as sex -- or more specifically, the taboo it has -- is pretty ridiculous," says lead designer Chris Avellone. "I don’t see sex in games as an achievement to be earned, but as an experience, and I think Alpha Protocol delivers it as an experience first. There’s a lot of emotional depth in Alpha Protocol from bonding over mutual respect, friendship, questioning traditional loyalty (at points, quite extreme), and even what I would call 'no-mances,' which are devoid of romantic feeling entirely but provide a nice character arc for the player and the target, regardless.

"All of these aspects also change the flow of the game, the story, character’s attitudes, and can cause changes in your companions, missions, objectives, and even expose more of the backstory of you and your love interest."

This seems to be a running theme with developers dabbling in sex. They are all quick to say it's isn't sex for sex's sake. Let's face it, though -- gamers love pointless sexual chicanery, and I'm not entirely willing to believe that all this digital shagging has been included for a thoroughly artistic and higher purpose.


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Phantom Spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:25
Phantom Spaceman
Sex for sex's sake IS ridiculous! I demand sex only for procreation in games! Think of the children!
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:27
Xzyliac
I agree with Jim but at the same time as long it's not ridiculous and stupid I don't think pointless sex is harmful. Stupid pointless sex is.
Oncomouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:34
Oncomouse
I think the best case study here is Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy. It's possible to bed the main character's ex early in the game. That scene holds poignancy and hints at the relationship they once had. Later in the game, the protagonist beds the female cop. The back half of that game is so rushed, that second scene feels ridiculous. I roll my eyes at God of War style chicanery. But building a relationship in a game like Mass Effect has some weight and meaning to the story. There are plenty of bad movies, books, and other media with sex for the sake of sex. Video games are no better or worse. I don't care for pointless sex in games. Digital boobs don't get me off. But it's not my place to say it shouldn't be there.
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:34
Jon B
Sex in games is only necessary if the game's plot develops in such a way that it fits. Otherwise it's more of a "Nice armour, wanna fuck?" kinda thing.

Problem is, a lot of gamers won't care about the development or anything, they'll buy it from sex appeal alone. Hell, Bayonetta's a great example of this, having a character who spends half her time naked in the game.
Doesn't mean that Bayonetta isn't damn fine though. And I guess it was implemented in a clever way too.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:35
GoldenGamerXero
At least God of War was honest about it.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:38
Naim Master
There is no such thing as "bad sex"!
Jeckyll007's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:43
Jeckyll007
... but the characters' relationships are so much more meaningful after a great sex scene. and there's no way to over 100% health without sex!
Oncomouse's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:50
Oncomouse
High five @Jeckyll007 for the Dresden Files avatar. Hell yeah.
Falleen9's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 10:52
Falleen9
Hasn't this article been posted before?
Korinthian's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:05
Korinthian
What's next? Are they going to say female characters don't have big boobs for the sake of big boobs?
Electrium's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:14
Electrium
lmao @ the last paragraph of the first sentence. I get it! Thrust, like sex!

I think it's kind of hilarious that the people who are making a game that "isn't enough like Mass Effect" are trying to make fun of Bioware for using sex.

...even what I would call 'no-mances,' which are devoid of romantic feeling entirely but provide a nice character arc for the player and the target, regardless.

Sounds an awful lot like the same pointless sex he's condemning, eh?
Quistnix's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:19
Quistnix
@Electrium
Sounds an awful lot like the same pointless sex he's condemning, eh?

No, it doesn't. He's condemning putting sex in the game for the sake of having sex. The point of those no-mances is to provide a character arc.
Nitex's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:21
Nitex
I had no clue Assassins Creed 2 was going to have it. I guess you just fuck a hooker or something?
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:34
HEL105
Until I see a siuation where adding sex makes a game better in a meaningful way, I will continue to not care.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:38
Occams electric toothbrush
That emo cunt in the picture should point that gun at herself.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 11:41
TheJesusNinja26
There is a reason why Hitchcock is regarded as one of the best directors of all time, because he used the theater of the mind. Not everything has to be SHOWN to actually get the point across, cough *MW2* cough.
Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:03
Shadowiii
Whaaa? Games maturing? I thought they were for horny 12-20 year olds who need some digital double-D ta-tas in order to get off. The whole medium often seems designed to simply objectify women at times (or at least any JRPG or any game Team Ninja makes). Now with more American based games filling them with actual sex for simply having sex, how can we go wrong?
The medium is maturing, sure, but not in the way we want. We are replacing caution with actual sex, but often not having a point to this sex except to attempt to turn on the player. Rarely is it ever a necessity in the story or implimented correctly. Mass Effect is really the only one where it fit. One could argue the opening scene of God of War worked (as it showed Kratos was little more then an animal with carnal needs), but it was still overdone and gratuitous simply to be gratuitous.
Hopefully developers start to mature as their target audience does.
Rancor's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:04
Rancor
I don't know but coming from a european upbringing, i don't see how game can have these complex character driven stories, where the player is put in extraordinary situations, and then completely gloss over an enormous part of the human condition. Yet at the same time we have games like c**t which, while hilarious, go all the way to the other extreme. Now just to be clear i don't think sex HAS to be tasteful/romantic/meaningful in games just like it isn't in books/movies/music, but like all those other mediums, they've learned that to capture the human experience, like every art form strives to, and they can't just gloss it over anymore.
fetusmilk's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:05
fetusmilk
ill consider it sex in a video game once they have a fisting scene
MadBeagle01's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:06
MadBeagle01
Hitchcock was restrained by the movie codes of his time (He wanted nudity in Psycho), but you can see in his later career (when censors had relaxed) that sex and nudity were a part of his films.
Baleur's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:09
Baleur
Rancor so true. Also. sex IS for sex's sake. People have sex in order to have sex lol. Its funny how something so natural (or in Stewies words, everybody poops!) can be so taboo.

Its all because of the games rating board i tell you, much like movie and tv censorship. They are turning natural aspects of human life into something "bad" and "nasty". Its quite disturbing how a media can change the general populations opinion on things.
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:15
socialnorms
The argument that sex is for a higher, artistic purpose sounds a lot like "Body in Mind," which claims that their nude models are being valued strictly for their beauty, and promotes a world where beautiful women are allowed to present themselves without clothing. Oh really? So the fact that I'm beating off to those images is an aberration?

There's no getting around the fact that showing sex instantly takes whatever media's content to a more primal and base chain of thought. It doesn't matter how fanciful the lighting is as we view penetration, or what beautiful colors shimmer from the alien chick's massive breasts as her chest heaves. We're thinking of fucking. The buck stops there.

While nudes may be expressed artfully, fucking is fucking. Don't anybody kid themselves. If we're going to put it in video games - and I disagree with that for its tackiness - let's not pretend it has to do with character arc or any higher cause. Fucking does not imply emotional closeness or anything else that good dialogue or storytelling can express better. Hence fucking is an expletive.
Ball Buster's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:21
Ball Buster
Art is a subjective term. That means you cn use it as an excuse for anything. To me these "justifications" sound like an afterthought. Granted, I know nothing about these games besides that they'll have sex. But I doubt anybody's genuinely interested in expressing some higher purpose in it. We're all capitalists, after all.
triclops41's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:32
triclops41
in most games i agree sex is just for titillation, but rpg makers like bioware and obsidian really seem to put it in there to make the game more engrossing, and a fuller experience.
Lockgar's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:33
Lockgar
I hate this entire concept that game developers have now. That this NEEDS to be in there games. First question, will the sex be a mini game? I grantee you it won't be very fun. They never are, aside for the hilarity value, ala God of War's, which was treated more as a joke then anything.

Second, it seems like just an excuse to through in naughty bits on the screen. Which, like many movies constantly fail to realize, that's what porn if for. I don't want to watch a movie because an actress might get half naked, I watch it in hopes the movie is compelling, interesting, or entertaining. I don't want to watch some pointless mini game/ cutscene just because it might have some really curvy polygons.

They can say what they want to justify it, but that's what it will come down too. That's what it always come down too. Sex scenes rarely add anything in movies except that you got to see an actress topless "along with an awful acting performance".
triclops41's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 12:35
triclops41
not that it always works, but it appears that is why obsidian and bioware have done it
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 13:13
manasteel88
wait wait wait...did he just say that his sex is better than other people's sex?
covah's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 13:16
covah
The irony is that the character pictured is underaged and you're not gonna have sex with her (according to obsidian, who knows, they made add one more year to her age between now and forever, which I have heard is the new release date)
elysse's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 13:17
elysse
Sex for sex's sake? No, sir- sex because it sells. Sex for sex's sake is what me and the Mr. do when it's Business Time.. sex in vidja games with no real bearing on the story line is Business Time for 13 year olds and hand jockeys.
TheDarkWayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 14:23
TheDarkWayne
That's stupid, people in real life have sex for no reason other than it's fun all the time, probably more than they do as a result of "bonding over mutual blah blah". I'm disappointed to hear that from this game, if there was one game where it fit to have sex besides love it was this one, if you cant torture or blackmail a person out of vital information, why not falsely romance them?
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 15:46
Occams electric toothbrush
Sex can be artistic, even tasteful. It can also sell like water in a desert and be used explicitly to do so. Suppose it will take a while but maybe the medium will get to a point where sex goes beyond side boob and forum posts and gets to a place where it's respected and respectful of the act and its intentions. For now though, I think video games aren't established enough nor respected enough for it to be taken seriously.
Mandarin Haggis's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 16:06
Mandarin Haggis
If video gaming wants to be taken seriously as a form of computer-aided literature, the idea is that sex in any form of *literature* has to mean something: in this case, it reflects or supports a theme or character, and when used right, represents a step, not the goal, of a continuing line of development.

For example, Mass Effect (or to a lesser extent, the Baldur's Gate series or even PS:T)? The romance options you have are offered by people who, in one way or another, find it hard to open up to others; in Mass Effect, all three romance options are continuously avoiding connections in a storyline where isolation and hubris preceded the death knell of an entire civilization. To an English Lit student, sex in such a situation (where sex is a metaphor for intimacy) serves as a milestone in personal development for the benefit of the fictional character.

Lastly, there’s a word for sex for the sake of sex. It’s called pornography.
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 16:35
socialnorms
@Mandarin:
But is it necessary to SHOW the sex for it to be a "metaphor for intimacy?" There aren't a lot of books where graphic depictions of sex add to the prose. James Jones uses a metaphor about a space man who is stuck to imply that one of his characters can't get off in "From Here to Eternity," but you don't see him writing "he was thrusting his hard dick in and out, and she was bouncing, and expectant, but despite her giggling breasts he could not reach that culmination of the moment." That's just tacky.

If gaming wants to be taken seriously as literature, then gaming must have good stories. There is plenty of good literature that does not have sex in it. Sex does not equal maturity.

Also, assuming sex is a milestone for intimacy is like trusting the frat bro at the party to remember your name when you wake up to him the next morning, hung over.
DustyBlue's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 17:02
DustyBlue
I'm sure it IS sex just for sex's sake. But on a subconscious level. I'm sure the way the idea of having sex in the game was pretty much just "Hey, let's put some sex in here. But not shallow sex."
TrueZero's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 18:12
TrueZero
@Rancor - you put it incredibly well. Video games tell stories now on par with some of the best movies and books you can find. Sex, for meaningful purposes or not, is part of life, and for games that attempt to be as life-like as possible to avoid it in either case is just stupid.

Sure, with sex being in more games (specifically big IP games) it'll get more exposure and companies will be accused of including it no good reason. Even if it were true, so what? You have to plop down 60 bucks for the game, you can choose what you want to see.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 20:23
HEL105
In most cases, sex is the easiest and least creative way to show a connection between two people. That goes for movies, literature and games. I didn't need to see Crono and Marle screwing before he died to feel her loss and pain when he sacrificed himself. Did I need the promise of seeing Ico bend Yorda over and nail her to motivated me to do everything I could to get her out of that castle? Good writing and atmosphere are much more integral to a mature and well-told story than whether the hero gets his knob wet.

I'm not against sex in games, but let's be honest. The only thing that will probably benefit from its inclusion, will be the sales.
Rancor's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 21:42
Rancor
I don't know, I think link deserves at least 3rd base after all the fucking times he's saved the bitch.
TheTruth's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/28/2009 21:48
TheTruth
In Alpha Protocal, what I really want to know is if I can have sex with that girl and then shoot her in the head as soon as I'm done.

Don't look at me like that. I'm talking in a game, not life.
socialnorms's Avatar - Comment posted on 10/29/2009 08:07
socialnorms
@Rancor:
I agree. Fuck the rest of my arguments. There should be sex if only to alleviate all the goddamn frustration the characters go through. "Really? I spent five days getting the shit kicked out of me and all I get is a 'thanks?'"
The Amazing Shenazin's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2009 09:43
The Amazing Shenazin
so I'm willing to bet it probably doesn't have nudity

LAME!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/02/2009 14:53
Sharpless
I think that most of it is just because, "Hey guys, we can put sex in it. Let's do that, since that's what you do with mature stuff." Not that I'm complaining, but I think it's not usually for entirely artistic reasons, nor for low-brow reasons. The same can be said for movies, though.
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