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It opens a lot more possibilities within storytelling, and I really have no problem with it as long as it's used tastefully. It can really affect relationships, motivation, and opens up a new level of depth within the heroes and villains.
In the same way these games encourage children to go out and kill people, they encourage them to go out and have sex. Sick filth!
And what's wrong with NOT having sex scenes in RPGs? How many of you have roeplayed sex in a game of D&D or other RPGs?
As long as we dont end up with it becoming a staple on the back of the box or, worse, a standard in EVERY game. If that happens...wait, I'm complaining?
@Chronic Logic; What kind of roll would you have to make for that? Dexterity check? Athletics?
...Dungeoneering?
...Dungeoneering?
I imagine TV's going to be the deciding factor here, not games. As soon as it's acceptable on mainstream TV, games won't be far behind.
I'm a bit confused. Is he saying there's no sex at all on "mainstream" American TV? Not even some kissing and a few enthusiastic embraces (which is just about what qualified as a (US-only) sex "scandal" in Mass Effect)?
I'm a bit confused. Is he saying there's no sex at all on "mainstream" American TV? Not even some kissing and a few enthusiastic embraces (which is just about what qualified as a (US-only) sex "scandal" in Mass Effect)?
I don't see what's so important about having sex in video games. It doesn't make a bad game good, and it doesn't make a good game any better. Oh well, I don't really care either way.
Based on that logic, maybe no one in RPGs should wear pants. You know, just to make easier access and facilitate all of the humping.
I'm normally a supporter of including the choice of romantic involvement in a game, especially one like Alpha Protocol. But the amount of generalizations floating around lately is getting a bit crazy. Any RPG without sex is an injustice?
However, is that really what he said? To me, it sounded more like he was trying to suggest that refusing to depict sex for what is really is is an injustice. That is, if we're supposed to be the ones in control of a situation, shouldn't we have the choice to engage in sex in whatever way we want--within the boundaries of the game, of course.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the quote or the way it was used.
I'm normally a supporter of including the choice of romantic involvement in a game, especially one like Alpha Protocol. But the amount of generalizations floating around lately is getting a bit crazy. Any RPG without sex is an injustice?
However, is that really what he said? To me, it sounded more like he was trying to suggest that refusing to depict sex for what is really is is an injustice. That is, if we're supposed to be the ones in control of a situation, shouldn't we have the choice to engage in sex in whatever way we want--within the boundaries of the game, of course.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the quote or the way it was used.
Sexual attraction and tension are very powerful things. Sex has been used wonderfully in books, movies, music... why not games? Completely omitting it from games is a blow to the genre's credibility as an art form. I almost get the feeling that every time a game tries to be sexually aware, everyone wants to castrate it and force it to sing in the choir.
I remember you could visit a brothel in Arcanum and they didn't care which way you swung, neither. Granted, it was just one of those fade to black things and no actual sex was ever seen, but you could still do it. Where was the public outcry then?
Blame it on religion. Seriously, it is the only reason this country can't get over dumb shit like that. PLEASE OH LORD SHIELD MY EYES FROM REALITY! lol
I can dig it for some games, but a lot of titles it would be utterly pointless. For instance, FFVIII I can see it, but not FFVII. It depends on the game.
You can show fondness and affection without showing characters doing it. I'm no prude, but I don't want to be dragged into the uncanny valley of poorly-animated videogame sex scenes and side boob.
This is very true. Not necessarily because sex makes the story stronger, per se, rather that this kind of censorship leaves some relationship development feel stunted. In the last Obsidian game I played (KOTOR 2), as my character interacted with his love interests, it seemed like the character development was just sort of chopped-off, leaving me, the observer, thinking "Just FUCK ALREADY."
@kauza: I think the point was that if a character's romantic development leads naturally to sex, it's stupid and counterintuitive to pull up short, to censor yourself. Especially in what is ostensibly the most story/character-driven genre of games.
@kauza: I think the point was that if a character's romantic development leads naturally to sex, it's stupid and counterintuitive to pull up short, to censor yourself. Especially in what is ostensibly the most story/character-driven genre of games.
I don't really care for or need sex scenes shown explicitly in my video games, but the medium certainly should be treated like other forms of entertainment. You can show fucking in R rated films so you should be able to show fucking in M rated games.
That said, I'm sort of inclined to agree with jsutcliffe on this one. Graphics have come a long way since the PS1 days, but they still can't make it look truly "real", and so sex just looks awkward and completely devoid of emotion.
Maybe it'll be worth having in 10 years, but for now I'm good with the occasional sex mini-game in my God of War games.
Hey, they give you experience points.
That said, I'm sort of inclined to agree with jsutcliffe on this one. Graphics have come a long way since the PS1 days, but they still can't make it look truly "real", and so sex just looks awkward and completely devoid of emotion.
Maybe it'll be worth having in 10 years, but for now I'm good with the occasional sex mini-game in my God of War games.
Hey, they give you experience points.
Having sex in a video game is just about as important as taking a big crap in a video game.
But, it would really add so much more to the story if my character had to take a break from saving the world in order to take a big, stinky shit. Then just think of the great character development it would create:
Courtesy flush- add one point to dexterity
No oourtesy flush- add two points to stamina
Wipe ass- add two points to charisma
Don't wipe ass- lose two points of charisma, add one point to defense
But, it would really add so much more to the story if my character had to take a break from saving the world in order to take a big, stinky shit. Then just think of the great character development it would create:
Courtesy flush- add one point to dexterity
No oourtesy flush- add two points to stamina
Wipe ass- add two points to charisma
Don't wipe ass- lose two points of charisma, add one point to defense
I agree with him that if people can't handle in a video game sex just being suggested then it is a disgrace. Though I hate most video game sex as it's done stupidly as for jokes. Even though it's funnier when it doesn't happen.
@kohelhunter
As someone who is Christain I agree completely. There's having a religion and trying to play off as if every single word in the bible is absolute truth that should imidiately negate all science. I see that as disrepecting God, christains and the human race all in one go.
@kohelhunter
As someone who is Christain I agree completely. There's having a religion and trying to play off as if every single word in the bible is absolute truth that should imidiately negate all science. I see that as disrepecting God, christains and the human race all in one go.
Seriously, I have no need of seeing a sex scene in a video game. I'm all for the characters having a sexual relationship if it heightens your emotional bond to them, but there's no reason for it to happe on screen. I think watching Gordon Freeman and Alyx Vance go at it in the next Half Life would be a pretty soul destroying experience.
If it must happen, at least do it in good taste please.
If it must happen, at least do it in good taste please.
It's all about choice, not all games have to have sex in them, but if one wishes to have a sex scene there shouldn't be a media firestorm about it. I've seen Pg-13 movies with topless women and cock jokes and they get praised, so whats wrong with a game having an important interaction between characters.
Plus I wanna see boobies.
Plus I wanna see boobies.
"Yeah, because RPGs are so much like the real world with levels and experience points and shit."
You're right. RPGs should never try and tackle realistic situations because they have non-realistic elements. Let's never try and make games with grounded issues!
You're right. RPGs should never try and tackle realistic situations because they have non-realistic elements. Let's never try and make games with grounded issues!
@Jim: Correct! In fact, they need to do away with any environments or characters that even hint at the human experience, objective reality, or Euclidean geometry. I welcome the advent of RPGs being alienating Kafka-esque nightmarescapes, where nothing approaching "themes", "morals", or hell, even "plot" is ever hinted at.
"RPGs should never try and tackle realistic situations because they have non-realistic elements. Let's never try and make games with grounded issues!"
Until developers can figure out how to do love and sex in a better way than a direct to video "National Lampoon" movie crossed with a Freddie Prinze schmaltz-fest, I don't think we should.
Until developers can figure out how to do love and sex in a better way than a direct to video "National Lampoon" movie crossed with a Freddie Prinze schmaltz-fest, I don't think we should.
People's values are so strange. Most video games center around (generally unrealistic) depictions of violence. The ramifications of violence are rarely explored in a realistic way. We seem to be okay with this (as we should be), but offended by sex? Is a depiction of consensual sex for the purpose of building a plot, even if unrealistic, worse than an unrealistic depiction of brutal violence?
Boo-hoo.
There are sex scenes in rated M games.
Then obviously the games are NOT for little kids. The media should, instead of blaming developers and "the industry", talk to the parents about this and maybe convince them to not buy -insert RPG with sex- for their 9 year old eh?
Oh and why make such a big deal out of something not especially even "graphic". And DryBones, if you wanna see boobies, thats what the internet is for oO
There are sex scenes in rated M games.
Then obviously the games are NOT for little kids. The media should, instead of blaming developers and "the industry", talk to the parents about this and maybe convince them to not buy -insert RPG with sex- for their 9 year old eh?
Oh and why make such a big deal out of something not especially even "graphic". And DryBones, if you wanna see boobies, thats what the internet is for oO
Sex isn't absolutely necessary (except maybe in Half-Life 2 -- get on that Alyx/Gordon sex scene, please!) but I do like my RPGs to allow for as many personal choices as possible. So, yay.
"Is a depiction of consensual sex for the purpose of building a plot, even if unrealistic, worse than an unrealistic depiction of brutal violence?"
Not at all. As long as "building a plot" is explored or the mechanic exists has real meat to it.
There was a discussion here recently around morality in games and how it wasn't implemented well enough, not enough choices and ramifications. A similar argument can be leveled against sex in games. Should developers invest the time to essentially add a dating/relationship simulator into a 20-100+ hour RPG or should they allow the player navigate a few conversation trees followed by a "press A to bang this chick" to shoehorn in sex scenes? I'm intrigued by thought of the addition and exploration through a built-in simulator, but insulted by other.
Not at all. As long as "building a plot" is explored or the mechanic exists has real meat to it.
There was a discussion here recently around morality in games and how it wasn't implemented well enough, not enough choices and ramifications. A similar argument can be leveled against sex in games. Should developers invest the time to essentially add a dating/relationship simulator into a 20-100+ hour RPG or should they allow the player navigate a few conversation trees followed by a "press A to bang this chick" to shoehorn in sex scenes? I'm intrigued by thought of the addition and exploration through a built-in simulator, but insulted by other.
The inter-character relationships in almost all video games are pretty weak, and frankly I don't think the inclusion of sex will somehow make you care more about the characters or make them seem more real.
C'mon people, this is marketing talk, plain and simple. "Buy my game because the characters are more deep and engaging - See! They have SEX!"
Most likely, sex will be used in games just like it's used in most TV series or movies - not as a means to build more believable characters, but as a means to keep you watching/playing despite the paper-thin relationships actually on display.
C'mon people, this is marketing talk, plain and simple. "Buy my game because the characters are more deep and engaging - See! They have SEX!"
Most likely, sex will be used in games just like it's used in most TV series or movies - not as a means to build more believable characters, but as a means to keep you watching/playing despite the paper-thin relationships actually on display.
Video Game sex done right: Mass Effect
Video Game sex done poorly: God Of War.
I don't care if you get a few extra orbs, it just seems unnecessary to me.
Video Game sex done poorly: God Of War.
I don't care if you get a few extra orbs, it just seems unnecessary to me.
As always, sex is taboo but shooting people is a-ok. Censors are twisted individuals.
Well... anything relevant to the story and/or gameplay is fine by me. As long as the sex thing isn't overhyped as it always is in society now a days.
Well... anything relevant to the story and/or gameplay is fine by me. As long as the sex thing isn't overhyped as it always is in society now a days.
fei and elly get gtogether in xenogears....yeah, you don't really SEE anything but it definitely happens and comes about as a natural evolution of their relationship. so if it works in the context of the story and characters within, I'm all for it....whatever it is.
I agree with most of the article and comments. If car-jacking people in GTA and massacring thousands of people in FPS games is ok and accepted by modern society, why isn't sex? It is true that in most cases where you find sex in video games, it causes a massive media feeding frenzy (that ultimately only serves to bolster sales). Most of mainstream America's reaction to sex consists of childishly trying to demonize the game's developers as a bunch of Satan worshipping, drug-peddling, left-wing hippies. It is all rather stupid.
However, I have a question for all of you: Why is it so important that we put sex in games? Why is it such a big deal that we have to have it in our RPGs? I enjoy my games just as much with sex as without it. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I don't like having sex in my RPGs. Take, for example, Fable II. The game is about avenging your dead sister and saving the planet. Why would I, as the character, want to waste time getting my rocks off when I've got a planet to save?
However, I have a question for all of you: Why is it so important that we put sex in games? Why is it such a big deal that we have to have it in our RPGs? I enjoy my games just as much with sex as without it. In fact, I would even go so far as to say that I don't like having sex in my RPGs. Take, for example, Fable II. The game is about avenging your dead sister and saving the planet. Why would I, as the character, want to waste time getting my rocks off when I've got a planet to save?
This would totally create so many more opportunities for MORAL CHOICE!
Because all games need more of that too...
Because all games need more of that too...
Moral choices are interesting because you can create a new persona everytime. Games like KOTOR, Jade Empire, Oblivion, and Mass Effect all allow you a free path. A way to control your destiny. Romance is a part of these things. Sex is eluded to in Jade Empire. KOTOR lacked it due to Star Wars feel but the idea of love and devotion (even slavish devotion) was explored. Fable allowed for sex and fable 2 even allowed the idea of having kids! Sex is a big part of a heroes life. Many is the gaming session I have sat at in which Barbarians wooed fair damsels and took them to their rooms. Succubi tempted paladins and clerics! Hell I once had a character murdered by an assassin he took to bed. The point is sex opens new plot hooks. New ideas.
For example what type of sex does your character have? Is your character depraved or dark? Bondage is an interesting idea. If your character is tried and true hero more traditional venues open up. And what of villains? What is worse a Lich hellbent on destruction or a warlord who sold your sister into sex slavery. Or even used magic to warp her mind into twisted desires.
I'm not saying that sex should or even has to be shown but aspects of sex might expand a game. It might change one's perspective and allow people to delve into their own motivations and psyches. You don't have to make a game all about sex. Just throw some in there to have us explore our id and libido. Introduce morals and moral consequences. Let that succubus tempt us. Let us woo the barmaid and leave only to find we have a child when we return.
Love and lust are great aspects of a character's story. Let's explore them. Embrace them. Just don't necessarily put a whole lot of emphasis on it. After all... it's just sex people.
For example what type of sex does your character have? Is your character depraved or dark? Bondage is an interesting idea. If your character is tried and true hero more traditional venues open up. And what of villains? What is worse a Lich hellbent on destruction or a warlord who sold your sister into sex slavery. Or even used magic to warp her mind into twisted desires.
I'm not saying that sex should or even has to be shown but aspects of sex might expand a game. It might change one's perspective and allow people to delve into their own motivations and psyches. You don't have to make a game all about sex. Just throw some in there to have us explore our id and libido. Introduce morals and moral consequences. Let that succubus tempt us. Let us woo the barmaid and leave only to find we have a child when we return.
Love and lust are great aspects of a character's story. Let's explore them. Embrace them. Just don't necessarily put a whole lot of emphasis on it. After all... it's just sex people.
I play games to experience things that aren't going to happen in my life. Sex is not one of them. And Mass Effect was just awkward and gross. Anyone who thinks that is grounded in reality, well, keep your head up and you'll find the real thing is a hell of a lot better than that.
Three cheers for Chronic Logic and Wastedyears. Good arguments.
Three cheers for Chronic Logic and Wastedyears. Good arguments.
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The inter-character relationships in almost all video games are pretty weak, and frankly I don't think the inclusion of sex will somehow make you care more about the characters or make them seem more real.
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Most likely, sex will be used in games just like it's used in most TV series or movies - not as a means to build more believable characters, but as a means to keep you watching/playing despite the paper-thin relationships actually on display.
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Most likely, sex will be used in games just like it's used in most TV series or movies - not as a means to build more believable characters, but as a means to keep you watching/playing despite the paper-thin relationships actually on display.
Until there is allowed flaccid nudity, pacifism, and sex in a major public game, I won't take censorship seriously.
We all have bodies.
What could drive the isolated masses to get familiar with the sight of asses? The stress of this might fog their glasses, but it's beautiful in a way that, to them, just passes.
If you're not comfortable with other people's bodies, you're most likely not comfortable with your own. Sleep nude, or something, don't be such a downer.
We all have bodies.
What could drive the isolated masses to get familiar with the sight of asses? The stress of this might fog their glasses, but it's beautiful in a way that, to them, just passes.
If you're not comfortable with other people's bodies, you're most likely not comfortable with your own. Sleep nude, or something, don't be such a downer.
@Mr Hanekoma
"However, I have a question for all of you: Why is it so important that we put sex in games? ... Why would I, as the character, want to waste time getting my rocks off when I've got a planet to save?"
That character would not waste their time if such pressing matters must be attended to.
But a common thug picking on traveling caravans, a homely waitress living on bread, basically 'characters' would.
Even a War Veteran would have to debrandish his armour at one point. Even if not, what of the servants bringing him wine? Or the Cook who goes home to his family? It can't just be outright ignored, and shunned as a horrific act - though can be fairly omitted in different world settings.
"However, I have a question for all of you: Why is it so important that we put sex in games? ... Why would I, as the character, want to waste time getting my rocks off when I've got a planet to save?"
That character would not waste their time if such pressing matters must be attended to.
But a common thug picking on traveling caravans, a homely waitress living on bread, basically 'characters' would.
Even a War Veteran would have to debrandish his armour at one point. Even if not, what of the servants bringing him wine? Or the Cook who goes home to his family? It can't just be outright ignored, and shunned as a horrific act - though can be fairly omitted in different world settings.
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