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NYT says PS3 ain't that great; Summa says NYT ain't so hot either photo

In a recent op-ed that is spreading like wildfire across the Internet, the New York Times' Seth Schiesel bashes the PlayStation 3 up, down, left, right, sideways and all ways in between. The Times' four-eyed embargo-breaker had this to say:

Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun. … Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise.

Really Seth? Are we going to judge a console just a few days into its life cycle? Is that how things are gonna be now? I'll post the rest of his idiocy after the jump, but to call a console failed before it even has a chance to get up and stretch its legs is just plain stupid -- and maybe shed some light into why I think Seth is the worst thing to happen to the NYT since Jayson Blair.

A Weekend Full of Quality Time With PlayStation 3
By SETH SCHIESEL

Howard Stringer, you have a problem. Your company’s new video game system just isn’t that great.

Ever since Mr. Stringer took the helm last year at Sony, the struggling if still formidable electronics giant, the world has been hearing about how the coming PlayStation 3 would save the company, or at least revitalize it. Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360, Sony blithely insisted that the PS3 would leapfrog all competition to deliver an unsurpassed level of fun.

Put bluntly, Sony has failed to deliver on that promise.

Measured in megaflops, gigabytes and other technical benchmarks, the PlayStation 3 is certainly the world’s most powerful game console. It falls far short, however, of providing the world’s most engaging overall entertainment experience. There is a big difference, and Sony seems to have confused one for the other.

The PS3, which was introduced in North America on Friday with a hefty $599 price tag for the top version, certainly delivers gorgeous graphics. But they are not discernibly prettier than the Xbox 360’s. More important, the whole PlayStation 3 system is surprisingly clunky to use and simply does not provide many basic functions that users have come to expect, especially online.

I have spent more than 30 hours using the PlayStation 3 over the last week or so and may have played more different games on the system — 13 — than probably anyone outside of Sony itself. Sony did not activate the PS3’s online service until just before the Friday debut. Over the weekend a clear sense of disappointment with the PlayStation 3 emerged from many gamers.

“What’s weird is that the PS3 was originally supposed to come out in the spring, and here it came out in the fall, and it still doesn’t feel finished,” Christopher Grant, managing editor of Joystiq, one of the world’s biggest video-game blogs, said on the telephone Saturday night. “It’s really not the all-star showing they should have had at launch. Sony is playing catch-up in a lot of ways now, not just in terms of sales but in terms of the basic functionality and usability of the system.”

Sadly for Sony, the best way to explain how the PlayStation 3 falls short is to explain how different it is to use than its main competition, Xbox 360. When I reviewed the 360 last year, I wrote: “Twelve minutes after opening the box, I had created my nickname, was in a game of Quake 4 and thought, ‘This can’t be this easy.’ ”

I never felt that way using the PlayStation 3. With the PS3, 12 minutes after opening the box I realized that Sony inexplicably does not include cables to connect the machine to a high-definition television. Keep in mind that one of Sony’s main selling points has been that the PS3 plays Blu-Ray high-definition movie discs. But high-definiton cables? Sold separately. The Xbox 360, by contrast, ships with one cable that can connect to either a standard or high-definition set.

Then, before you are even using the PS3, you have to connect the “wireless” controller to the base unit with a USB cable so they can recognize each other. If you bring your PS3 controller to a friend’s house, you’ll have to plug back in again. The 360’s wireless controllers are always just that, wireless.

If there is one thing one would expect Sony to get perfect, though, it would be music. Wrong. Sure, you can plug in your digital music player and the PS3 will play the tunes. But as soon as you go into a game, the music stops. By contrast, one of the things I’ve always enjoyed most on the Xbox 360 is being able to listen to my own music while playing Pebble Beach or driving my virtual Ferrari. Doesn’t seem too complicated, but the PS3 can’t do it.

In that sense it often feels as if the PlayStation 3 can’t walk and chew bubble gum at the same time. In the PS3’s online store (which feels like a slow Web page) you can access movie trailers and trial versions of new games, but when you actually download the 600-megabyte files, you’ll be stuck watching a progress bar crawl across the screen for 20 or 40 minutes. Astonishingly, you can’t download in the background while you go do something that’s more fun (like play a game). On the Xbox 360, not only are files downloaded seamlessly in the background, but you can also shut off the machine, turn it on later, and the download will resume automatically.

The PS3’s whole online experience feels tacked-on and unpolished. On the Xbox 360 each user has a single unified friends list, so you can track your friends and communicate with them easily, no matter what game you are in. On the PlayStation 3 most games have their own separate friends list and some have no friends function at all. There is a master list as well, but in order to communicate with anyone on it, you have to quit the game you are playing.

There are some high points. The multi-player battles in Resistance: Fall of Man are excellent. The arcade-style action in the downloadable Blast Factor is suitably frantic.

But the list of the PS3’s disappointments remains, from its undersupported voice chat to its maddening cellphone-like text messaging system. (In frustration I ended up plugging in a USB keyboard.) Overall, Sony seems to have put a lot of effort into cramming as much silicon horsepower under the hood as possible but to have forgotten that all the transistors in the world can’t make someone smile.

And so it is a bit of a shock to realize that on the video game front Microsoft and Sony are moving in exactly the opposite directions one might expect given their roots. Microsoft, the prototypical PC company, has made the Xbox 360 into a powerful but intuitive, welcoming, people-friendly system. Sony’s PlayStation 3, on the other hand, often feels like a brawny but somewhat recalcitrant specialized computer. (Sony is even telling users to wait for future software patches to fix some of the PS3’s deficiencies.) The thing is, if people want to use a computer, they’ll use a computer.

Through the decades of the Walkman and the Trinitron television, Sony was renowned as the global master of easy-to-use, seamlessly powerful consumer electronics. But recently Sony seems to have lost its way, first in digital music players, in which it ceded the ergonomic high ground to Apple’s iPod, and now in home-game consoles. For now Sony’s technologists seem to have won out over the people who study fun.

As a practical matter, given the limited quantities Sony has been able to manufacture, the PlayStation 3 will surely remain sold out throughout the holiday season. If you can’t find one, don’t fret. Sony still has a lot of work to do. As Mr. Grant of Joystiq put it: “Maybe in six months it’ll be finished. Maybe by next fall I’ll be able to do all the cool stuff. I’m still kind of waiting.”







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Twiggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:22
Twiggy
The guy's clearly jumping to conclusions, and making mountains out of molehills, but he does have a few points. I haven't had a chance to see a non-instore PS3, but the couple of demos I've played had tight controls and gorgeous graphics. I'd say better than Xbox, but is that really important? All the other gripes he brings up, while individually inane, do point to a lack of the user-friendly mentality at Sony which is make-or-break these days. I don't know if anyone else has said it, but I don't as much want an Xbox as I want Xbox Live. The 360's online functionality is its brightest point, and if PS3 and Wii can't reach that level soon, they may be left behind. Not an ideal scenario.
zsavior's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:26
zsavior
Wow Summa Jealous much? I mean that is all you did with the WII trashing it before it came out, and now somebody trashes your beloved PS3 and you go rabbid fanboy! AWESOME! I'm going to actually save this story just to see your Reaction! You judged the WII on your massive experience with video games, and when people disagreee they were filthy nintendo fanboys. He judges the PS3 and he works for the... OOH WAIT NEW YORK TIMES, ANd he is an idiot BRAVO!Lets see who is more respected in the news world? Pot Meet KETTLE! Damn the best part is Nobody is even going to care what your response is. Let it BURN! LET IT BURN! Even mentions the last site you got the boot.

Oh sweet sassy melts in your mouth vindication, you see kids fanboys can get jobs as writers. I can't even type any more my hands is shaking in laughter. And he did what actual journalist are supposed back up that opinion of sony PS3 as failure with proof of past failures.

Seth Schiesel- "PS3 is not worth it compared to their competitor the xbox 360 like past endeavors they have dropped the ball against their competitors."

Robert Summa - "Seth Schiesel is a doody head!"

Robert summa crits Seth Schiesel for TEN HOJILLION POINTS with massive fanboy damage.

World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:29
World Famous
I said the Wii had the "potential" for failure, not that it was in fact a failure. To call the PS3 "not that great" is fucking shortsighted.

Seth is a fucking moron. I've been to many an event with him there and he asks the most idiotic, simpleton questions.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:31
World Famous
Since when is the PS3 my beloved console? I don't even own one or plan on owning one anytime soon.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:32
Jelster
Yup after all the "It takes guts" statements, the "STFU if you ain't played it" defense and "we journalists the put upon" martyrdom, you do come across as a hypocritical douche.

Then again I'm sure you're prepared to brand anyone who points that out as a anti-sony fanboy. Sad.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:35
World Famous
Why don't you judge and talk about what the guy has to say, and not my idiocy.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:36
Jelster
Summa, you announced it on one of the Kotaku comments sections as the No1 next gen console and challenged anyone to "fucking prove me otherwise" or something to that effect.

You don't own a PS3 because you wouldn't pay for one and expect to be given it for free. Much like the Wii and everything else you've been "given". I wonder if you've actually gone out and bought any Wii games this weekend or whether the "Gamer" inside you is prepared to wait for them to drop in the mail, thats dedication for you.

ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:38
ZeroTolo
@zsavior

I suppose it's stupid to mention this, but grammar is an important life skill. You might want to structure your sentences better before making an argument. But then again, this is the internet so I might as well be farting into a tornado.

Also, from what I gather, Summa doesn't have a PS3 yet or otherwise he would have laid out his first impressions, correct? Maybe I missed it. You never know; sometimes this site gets updated a dozen or more times a day. And as far as I can tell, Summa isn't a Sony fanboy. I should also mention that I'm not really going to trust gaming news from literature that's A) a mish-mash of all sorts of information and B) Published for an audience that really doesn't seem all that interested in the medium. At least, that's my two cents for this whole deal.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:39
World Famous
Jelster, lay off the jock and talk about the subject.

And, FYI, I went out and bought Madden and Rayman for the Wii before launch day so that I could give the readers coverage on that before they dropped a dime on either game -- but I'm sure that doesn't matter to you, so continue bashing me personally rather than addressing the subject in the article.
JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:44
JJ Rage
Oh noes! Someone has an opinion!

Guess what? I haven't even touched or for that matter SEEN a PS3 in the flesh, and I'm happy to judge it this short into its life cycle. The PS3 sucks. Sony sucks. Go check out Gamerankings and look at the average score for the exclusive titles. Outside of Resistance, I see a bunch of sub 50% averages. Even the multi-platform stuff is getting better reviews on Wii and 360.

Even if his opinion is outrageous and baseless, your opinion of his opinion is as well. How could anyone look at Sony at this point and see a winner? They've spent the entire period up until launch lying about their product. They've cut shipment numbers several times. Their launch was a complete disaster, littered with violence. And on top of that, the thing cost a fortune and none of the games are even good!

You cannot ignore the fact that Sony has done nothing here but attempt to bend the industry over and fuck it in the ass. Their arrogance will be their undoing.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:48
Jelster
Ouch, cry much?

The point is you're bashing this guy for doing excatly what you've done the past couple of months. That's focus on the negatives. I see nothing he has written to be incorrect although it would have appeared more "balanced" if he had also pointed out MS had no background loading until a patch arrived, likewise other points made again the PS3 were also made against the X360. Still as you often point out he's just giving his personal impression of the system so can twist shit however he deems necessary to back himself up. nothing wrong with that huh?

BTW - I appologise for saying you didn't buy games, I'd missed that purchase story for all the other shit eat grin posts you make about free stuff.
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 20:59
ZeroTolo
Oh hey, I've got an idea. Seeing as how Jelster just mentioned a patch the allowed for background downloads, did it occur to any of you geniuses that maybe Sony will eventually fix that too? Or would you then just declare them copycats and accuse them of trying to catch up to Microsoft? You know you would, so just stuff a sock in it. We get it. You don't like Summa and he doesn't like you. What's funny is that it's for the exact same reason: You all hate fanboys. Of course, it's easy to point and call names in an environment where anonymity is your best defense. Granted, I'm willing to bet that half of the people who try to crucify Summa on a daily basis are either mad at themselves for some reason or another, or just can't take the fact that people are entitled to their own opinions. With that, I must say... STFUAJPG.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:03
World Famous
I don't hate Jelster or any of the other 3 or 4 regular Summa bashers. I don't know them personally and I'd bet if they met me and we hung out for a bit, they might get off the hate train.

Just have fun with this blog, like I am, don't take all I say so seriously, and let's debate Seth's piece, not how much of a pot you think I am.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:08
Jelster
I'm sure Sony will fix a lot of the points mentioned in firmware updates. I honestly don't think its broken by design and my biggest concern for the PS3 is the price and software support. Both of which will take time to assess the impact.

However, it seems that when it suits this site is a blog for personal opinions and at others we're asked to discuss the news only, perhaps then that should be all that is posted.

After all, Summa did bring the validity of the article into question with his personal opinion. Had anyone else on the staff posted this, who didn't have a history of jumping to conclusions or twisting things to their own ends, then perhaps we wouldn't be discussing this right now.
Twiggy's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:08
Twiggy
Summa, I apologize for my fellow Dtoiders for misunderstanding the difference between having a low opinion of a system and declaring it an 'utter failure.' This guy is basically saying the PS3 is going to fail commercially, immediately, which I can't recall ANYONE on Dtoid saying about the Wii, very seriously. He's saying that after having it in his hands and playing it for a week, he's prepared to say it definitively will not beat the Xbox (he basically never mentions Nintendo) because of a half-dozen gripes. While Mr. Summa took a lot of convincing to think the Wii was worthwhile, and he has some still-valid arguments against its business model, he's pretty much never said anything as inflammatory as this article does. As much fun as it is to label people fanboys who don't agree with you, give the man a freakin' break. He may be a jerk about his opinions but at least he doesn't try to present them as fact. Go play more Zelda. Seriously, that's not specific, that is what anyone who can should be doing right now. I'm only online because I'm doing homework.
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:09
ZeroTolo
Since we're clearing the air, I have to say that the article focuses too much on what the PS3 does in comparison to the 360 rather than a comparison to say, the PS2.
JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:12
JJ Rage
Comparing him to Jayson Blair is a little over-the-top, Summa.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:17
Jelster
I certainly have nothing personal against anyone, this a far from a serious subject to get your knickers all twisted over.

However, while my comments may be centred ouround pointing out the hypocrisy in (mainly) Summa's posts I do that with, in my opinion, valid points. I'm not simply jumping on here baselessly calling him an idiot.

"Just have fun with this blog, like I am, don't take all I say so seriously, and let's debate Seth's piece, not how much of a pot you think I am."

As to this, I honestly think that unless you are writing a humorous piece how else are people to expected to take your "opinion"?
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:19
World Famous
JJ, when or if you ever see this man at work, it may not seem so over the top. Besides, being over the top is what I'm best at.

Jelster, if you don't want personal opinion in your gaming news and views, then perhaps you should seek out Kotak ... oops ... how bout Joyst ... oops ... how bout IG ... oops ... how bout GameSp ... oops ... well what about the NY Tim ... oops. Damn, looks like your fucked.
zsavior's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:24
zsavior
@ZERo TOLO

Seems you were still able to understand the gist of what I was writing but, none the less I am not going to even begin to argue perfect grammer on the Internet. I don't make believe I am some sort of elite scholar. It will have mistakes it will have errors, you can't deal with it sorry and move on.

More importantly though I have always noticed that people that start to pick apart a persons grammar on the internet usually doesn't have much of a opinion themself. If you haven't seen Summa's past bias on the WII and Nintendo's actions you either don't frequent this site or you are lying, or you have some sort of bias.

It also seems strange that you haven't witnessed Summa's bias since even Destrutoid writers have called him skeptical of the WII when they post an article. So how are they able to pick up such observations but your were not? I rather have bad grammer but be able to observe a persons opinions when I read it, rather than have impeccable grammer and not understand or comprehend what I am reading at all.

As for trusting a persons view which you commented on, I like to have everybodys valid opinions. Not just the opinion of a closed community with a number of set "Trusted" journalist because that leaves me blind to what other views and ideas on where the industry I participate in is going. Sorry if the grammer is throwing you off but, the gaming industry is more than just gaming blogs. When Business Week, NYT, Wallstreet journal all start to give negative views of a major competitor in the gaming world I would like to know about it. When I read a journalistic view I would like it to be with out bias, and if it is biased give some sort of reason or evidence why.

Seth did nothing more than give his opinion of Sony's console position from playing the system, Sony's outcome in past media wars and, his own journalistic observation. He did the same thing Summa did, but MR Summa upon reading Seth Schiesel's opinion jumped down his throat and called him and idiot. The same way Nintendo fanboys reacted when Robert Summa gave his, with far less evidence to back him up. If it is bad for nintendo fanboys to react this way Zero TOLO why is it ok for Rober Summa. But ahhhh you probably can't undestand anything I am writing. SO ZOMG USES MADE ME LOOK BAD! DUURRRR!

Hey notice how I didn't have to attack ZERO TOLO to make a point. Damn I should really work on that grammer thing though. WILL DO!
deiga-the-semivaliant's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:34
deiga-the-semivaliant
Meh. That Seth fellow looks like a bit of a D-bag. I don't really care though. All of these predictions and "seeing into the fuuuutuuuuure" have really been pissing me off, regardless of who's making them. Why don't we let the consoles do the talking, eh?
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:39
Jelster
Summa, if you don't want people commenting on your personal opinion perhaps you should go to a less interactive medium.

JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 21:52
JJ Rage
As an aspiring journalist myself, I'd much rather be compared to this Seth Schiesel guy than Jayson Blair. I do have a problem with Schiesel's choice of headline, since it doesn't come close to describing what the article is about.

I haven't met Schiesel. I haven't seen him work. Maybe I never will. You're probably right Summa, he's probably a windbag. The fact that he uses so many absolutes in his article points to that.And certain complaints he makes, like how he "ended up plugging in a USB keyboard" in frustration with the PS3's text messaging system is just absurd.

However, I agree with him that Sony is on the completely wrong track. They shouldn't be playing catch-up with the most basic features that even the original version of Xbox Live had. Plus the launch titles actually managed to be worse the the 360s.

And like I said, comparison to Jayson Blair is a huge insult. That guy wasn't even a journalist. He was just pathological liar with credentials.
Poopface Morty's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 23:11
Poopface Morty
"For the record, I don't agree with this guy about the PS3 any more than I agreed with Summa about the Wii, if that wasn't already abundantly clear. This is, of course, my opinion, and I'm sticking to it."

QFE.

"After all, Summa did bring the validity of the article into question with his personal opinion. Had anyone else on the staff posted this, who didn't have a history of jumping to conclusions or twisting things to their own ends, then perhaps we wouldn't be discussing this right now. "

QFE

Personally, I feel almost all of the critiques of either system, the negative nitpicks, all have one thing in common, and that is that the analysis is derived from one's own personal gaming niche. What affects one may not bother someone else...too many reviewers assume that better graphics, horsepower, technology, etc. is the only way to receive a better mark, and the lack of those by omission makes the system or game inferior. It's not that simple, especially in the grand scheme of things. I think a lot of us lose sight of what the general "I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT 1080p IS" public is looking for in a game console.

And I definitely despise the trend that those who are doing the PS3 or 360 bashing being immediately labelled as a fanboy, but doing the same to Nintendo is simply fashionable. I know some people thing I'm a big N fanboy; I'm a "fan", as much as I'm a fan of the PS2 games I've been playing, as well as the good ol' XBox. I'm no fanboy though, at least the demonized version of one. Shit man, give me the money, I'll get them all.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 23:13
Ballistic90
That guy was voicing his opinion. Yes, he was comparing it almost side by side with it's competitor, but they're competitors. You need to do that. He has some valid points, but it should have been mentioned that it was a launch. Very few launches go without fault. Even Nintendo, a company with a reputation of rock solid launch hardware, is experiencing problems with the Wii.

Getting away from the launch, I want to point out that I don't really agree with Sony's approach to next generation. This is because I don't agree with their choices for reliance on Blu-ray because the consumer will likely never, EVER see the benefits. This is because compression technology is improving rapidly to make the extra storage space unneccesary. In order to make a game to use that space, it would probably either have no compression and would ultimately waste the space, or require so much development time and money that it may never be released. In the end, it's really not much different than the Xbox 360 in what it can do, and it begs the question 'why'?
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/20/2006 23:28
ZeroTolo
@zsavior

Well then, it seems that my criticism was a little misplaced. As far as my "failure" to see Summa's bias, as you call it, I've been reading this site since at least late June, so to say that I don't read the site would be nothing but a mistake. I've read just about every post Summa's put up about the Wii. As I previously explained, they were nothing but is skepticism expressed in a form that most people didn't seem to agree with. That's all. Other than that, your point about grammar and the internet is understood and respected. And that, as the say, is where we end the transmission.

Bluefusion's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 00:08
Bluefusion
Two words: Ad Hominem
soul4sale's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 00:23
soul4sale
So many bitchslaps to go around.

First, Summa: Schiesel being an "embargo breaker" makes you a...well, to put it nicely, an industry bitch. It makes him a real reporter. An army of trained reporters and a few hundred years of reputation give real publications the ability to tell Sony to get bent when it comes to stupid NDA crap. Real publications don't sit on info and dole it out when the PIO tells them they can. But you'll keep signing them, boy, cuz you need the free juice.

Zero_Tolo: Thanks for being grammer cop. We were all in mortal danger.

Whoevermadetheheadlinecomment: If Schiesel wrote that headline, I'd be very, very surprised. Editors are very jealous of that. It's their one shot at creativity.
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 00:49
subnet6
Lets just settle this right now.

The NYT piece and the Summa piece are both opinions and of equal validity seeing as they are opinions about a system that either hasn't been released or was only just recently released. Either you can bash opinions or not. Lets be consistant.

Now that it's settled, lets try to focus all of this hate back where it belongs: Vlad Cole. :)

Seriously Summa, step back just a little bit and put yourself in our shoes. As readers who don't know your or Schiesel personally, your article and his sure look a lot alike.
I'm not being an asshole, I'm being honest. I think I've always given you a fair shake. I enjoy your writing but you gotta get some perspective on this one I think.

Netik09's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 00:55
Netik09
I really don't see what the big deal with Schiesel's article was. He just wasn't impressed with the machine. So what? Is it really any different than the way games are reviewed? Some reviewers give higher scores than others, some like em' some don't. He clearly didn't like the PS3. The fact that he compared it to the Xbox360 isn't surprising at all, after all, it is Sony's direct competitor in gaming consoles. So calling him an idiot wasn't really fair in my opinion. It is his job to inform potential consumers what they might thinking of purchasing. I mean, for $600 I want to know if this machine suck ass or not! In his opinion the PS3 is not a very good investment <i>right now</i>, and I respect that.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 01:55
World Famous
"Even after Microsoft took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago with its innovative and powerful Xbox 360"

This is why I don't like Seth and consider him a fraud and not a gamer -- I knew this the first time I ever sat in a room with him.

Can someone explain to me how the Xbox 360 took the lead in the video-game wars a year ago?
Spilt Milk's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 01:58
Spilt Milk
Xbox Live.
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 01:59
bleep
HOLY Baboon ASSES! I didn't realize this site was turning into a grudge match of words! I mean come on Jelster if you want to sh!talk so much to SUmmA send a PM, and for J J Rage, YOu are a totally fraud to go on the opinions of others when you admittedly haven't even seen the graphics that you say suck!
subnet6's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:03
subnet6
It could be argued that they took the lead by releasing the most powerful and capable machine a full year ahead of any other console maker. Xbox Live is also a strong argument for taking the lead. Certainly sales numbers of next gen consoles are another. Also, by "lead" he could mean MS is leading us into the next gen of gaming, rather than some empirical lead. How many should we mention?

Seriously. Complaining about this guys opinion about the PS3 is similar to people complaining about Zelda not getting a 10.

For goodness sakes people, this is opinion. Its not required we agree with it. Clearly there will be some who do and some who don't. Each will have their own reasons for doing so.

bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:05
bleep
But as to the NYT guy: He obviously doesn't see the long term potential of the cell processor. I have been reading and waiting for this thing for a long time and I certainly could give two shits about what EVERYONE is says in the first 6 months to a year after the lauch, because lets face the facts folks: computer programmers aren't geniuses, they're just good at couple of things. There will of course be a feeling out process for this console like any other. I mean people are saying that there aren't any good games.....WELL NOT YET! Have some patience for science's sake. the new PS3 apparently doesn't support some 200 PS games...well right now there aren't even close to 100 PS3 games!! so I say just wait until the greatness bubbles to the surface before you start condemming the future of the PS3....the beginings always a bit rocky ya dig?
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:05
World Famous
I think a lot of this just stems from my own personal knowledge of the kid and knowing that he doesn't really know a lot.
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:08
World Famous
Thanks bleep. That's my point exactly. We could argue any console at launch is a failure simply because they all experience a bumpy road in the beginning. Hell, you could say the same for the Wii right now. No real games, online is gimped, promises weren't delivered. Why isn't he saying this about the Wii as well?

I say let's all hold off on the coffins until two years from now, then we can say so-and-so failed.
JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:14
JJ Rage
"and for J J Rage, YOu are a totally fraud to go on the opinions of others when you admittedly haven't even seen the graphics that you say suck!"


Where did I say graphics sucked? What are you even talking about? Graphics are not something I have to see "in-person" anyways, since the magical creation of screenshots.

I said outside of Resistance, most of the launch titles were subpar judging from reviews. Reading comprehension FTW.
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:16
bleep
I just think its funny everyone has an opinion when NOBODY can get their hands on one of these things...I mean thats the real story right?? SOLD OUT <---yea must really suxass! heheh
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:21
World Famous
Bleep, it sux so much ass that people will pay as much as $2K for it! Can you believe how hard it sux for people to do that?!?!?
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:28
bleep
Rob just think dude...technology is like a drug...how much are people willing to spend on drugs? A LOT. plus think of the "cool factor" if you're a total nerd but you're the son of a rich guy who is willing to buy you whatever you want. You INSTANTLY have friends... at least for a little while. hehe what I would like to see is a comprehensive study of all people that buy this console and how their overall health deteriorates month by month...just like a drug addict!!
World Famous's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:33
World Famous
BTW, is someone is really unhappy with their PS3, I'll gladly take it off their hands.
Jelster's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 02:45
Jelster
I mean come on bleep if you want to suck up so much to SUmmA send a PM

JJ Rage's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 03:03
JJ Rage
"I just think its funny everyone has an opinion when NOBODY can get their hands on one of these things...I mean thats the real story right?? SOLD OUT <---yea must really suxass! heheh"


Are you kidding? How many people who bought one at launch sold it on eBay? 50%-60%? 80% maybe? Not to mention the fact that they only shipped like what, 400,000 units?

Seth might be being a little harsh, but is he wrong? How many PS3 owners are happy with the purchase? How many have blindly stayed loyal to Sony through all the lies and mindfucking?

Yeah sure, people are buying it on eBay for 2 grand. I also think those people are idiots. I wouldn't pay that for any console, ever. Would you Summa? Would anyone here?

P.S. - I'd like to avoid being lumped in with all the other anti-Summa commenters floating around. I assume most of those types are holding grudges from a single past incident, something that I always felt was the fault of idiot fanboy speculation.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 07:22
Ballistic90
By the way, the Wii had the best launch ever of any console. Look up the reviews the launch titles are getting and tell me that the 8 launch titles getting over 8.0 on average is a bad thing. I think that people are feeling more abused when buying a Sony product because they just don't see it being worth the over $600 they paid for it.
ZeroTolo's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:11
ZeroTolo
Not to stir the shit (although it probably will anyway), I was thinking as I read over some of these comments that a lot of people are against anyone being loyal to a specific company name. Since when did being loyal become such a bad thing?
GlitchCog's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 09:30
GlitchCog
Console success depends almost entirely on the games, but the game producers seek out successful systems. Before a launch, a successful system is one that builds enough hype to get an install base despite a lack of games. Sony was good at this with the PlayStation 2, but they got into the habit of using extreme hyperbole. This time around more people realized that some of Sony’s promises are empty, and that failure to hype decreases the chances of landing that one great system-selling game. It’s still possible, but it’s less probable. And in Sony's case where their strong suit was the sheer quantity of titles out for PlayStation, hype-failure has a more drastic impact because that well of games will run dryer. So, while they could still be successful if they land some great games, they have essentially lost the hype war, which means the net they use to catch games isn’t as effective. They’re currently running on barrowed time from the PlayStation 2, and that’ll only last so long.
Ballistic90's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 10:39
Ballistic90
Zero, if you keep loyalty, then often you become blind to their faults. Remember the N64? It sold fast because it was Nintendo, but in the end it just couldn't deliver. A lot of people felt cheated (even though there WERE good games for it still).
Igdrasil's Avatar - Comment posted on 11/21/2006 11:05
Igdrasil
Seth is right.
Right now, November 21, 360>>>PS3. Better games, better graphics and better online service.
Probably in November 2007, 360=PS3. And maybe in the next two or three years PS3>>360. But from an economical viewpoint, 2008-2009 will be late for Sony. People is buying this year and in 2007 their next-gen console. And 360 is better and cheaper(in 2006-07).In 2009 we will be talking about xbox 720.Sony lost.
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