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Numbers lie? Unreal Tournament III not a flop on PC, says Mark Rein photo

NPD numbers are a funny thing. We look to them to prove, without a reasonable doubt, that a particular game is or isn't selling well. They are but a snapshot in time, and we all know numbers can be manipulated to deceive -- but that doesn't seem to matter. For all intents and purposes, NPD group numbers are Tarot cards, and the mystics we call analysts are *sarcasm* the only ones that can decipher their meaning. Meet their latest victim, Mark Rein, who was probed by the Guardian about whether or not Epic was the least bit disappointed by the low Unreal Tournament III PC sales numbers for the very merry month of...November?

"It is amazing how people can look at two weeks of sales (in our case) in one single territory in the busiest Xmas sales season the industry has ever seen and come to the conclusion these titles are doing "badly". I don't think either title is doing so badly. Crysis probably has 3-4x the marketing budget of UT3 and more mindshare because it is a PC-only, high-end, single-player oriented game. This isn't the fastest selling UT title ever but it's doing pretty well and we're going to support it with some pretty cool things to help it keep selling over time."

I'm not one to bash PC gaming, but do you think that it might have something to do with the fact that it takes a small fortune in order to maintain a gaming rig capable of playing new titles every year? That, and what Mark said -- you can't zero in on this time period only, and call it a fair assessment. PC gaming is by no means dead, but you do have to take into consideration that people might not be upgrading their PCs in November. Don't sweat it too much, Mark. Maybe UT3 really is destined not to sell through the roof on PC. Or just maybe, NPD numbers have got it all wrong once again. If nothing else, you still have the PS3 version to fall back on. After all, consoles need love too. As long as it sells, does it really matter?

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Surf314's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 11:59
Surf314
I play TF2 on my mac book pro with modest settings and I have a blast. Consoles have taught me that you don't have to have ridiculously pretty graphics to have fun. Honestly as long as they keep things running decent on average computers people will still have fun with them even if they can't max out the settings. Honestly I find the principles behind crysis to be ridiculous and I'd be surprised if it sold well. I appreciate the fact that games like that push computer development forward but to me it is unnecessary.
Professor Pew's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 11:59
Professor Pew
Well, if the amount of servers for UT3 mean anything, nobody is playing it on the PC :P
Rockvillian's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 11:59
Rockvillian
I love UT like grilled cheese dunked in tomato soup, but I doubt I'll upgrade for this one. The direction they took in making it look like Gears kinda pissed me off a little, cause I happened to LIKE the unique feel and design of UT.
Surf314's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 11:59
Surf314
Upon rereading it seems I need to invest in a good thesaurus.
Mozgus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:02
Mozgus
UT3 does seem to have a lack of servers, but I don't have trouble at least finding a few active services for any given gametype under 70 ping, here in Kansas. But when I think back to UT2004 where 75% of the servers are just demo servers running Torlan, I cringe.
007's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:09
007
Who are you talking to?
Niero's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:09
Niero
Who still has an updated gaming rig?
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:12
JACK of No Trades
Mozgus

Where at in KS?
Cheeburga's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:18
Cheeburga
@Niero
Thornnn
Mozgus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:25
Mozgus
I'm in Kansas City, KS, but I'm usually on Texas servers, since there's so many of those, and I tend to ping 40-50 on them. Sometimes I find a St Louis server.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:26
JACK of No Trades
Im in Wichita. :(
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:37
Corak
The last fps I bought for my pc was bioshock well orange box too but that was a multiple game thing and I really bought it for portal, sorry don't own a 360. I bought a gaming pc about 2 years ago and it ran both well, maybe not the best but damn good. And I agree I just don't have the cash to spend every year or 2 to upgrade my pc to play games on it, especially when my PS3 and its games look great and really are all I need at the moment.

The economy is slipping dow jones is dropping and closed yesterday at its lowest since March of last year. Gas prices are sky high compared to what they used to be just a few years ago, the housing market is shit, new house construction fell 25% over the past few months I believe. All this crap is chewing up our cash, and wages aren't increasing enough to keep up with everything we would like to do and buy. Sorry I can't blow a g bar or more every year to get a kick ass pc to play the maybe 2-3 games I wanted at the highest settings.
CaffeinePowered's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:46
CaffeinePowered
@Neiro - More people than you think

Problem is Unreal just sucks, its been going downhill since UT in 1999, that was the pinnacle of the series. The more they pander to console players the worse the game gets.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 12:52
Gameboi
"The economy is slipping dow jones is dropping and closed yesterday at its lowest since March of last year. Gas prices are sky high compared to what they used to be just a few years ago, the housing market is shit, new house construction fell 25% over the past few months I believe. All this crap is chewing up our cash, and wages aren't increasing enough to keep up with everything we would like to do and buy. Sorry I can't blow a g bar or more every year to get a kick ass pc to play the maybe 2-3 games I wanted at the highest settings."

@Corak

Exactly!
Mozgus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 13:15
Mozgus
@JACK, wtf is going on there, besides impending electrocution?
SniperFodder's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 13:23
SniperFodder
I'm in Wichita also, small world.


I won't play UT3 until it comes out for the 360, so meh.
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 13:27
AgentMOO
My rig is Doom 3 era... Too overloaded with PVR tasks to run games anyways. The 360 has all the gaming horsepower I need.
WDot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 13:28
WDot
CaffeinePowered: I don't want to argue, but 2004 was and still is pretty fun, especially if you're into Onslaught. I agree though that UT3 so far doesn't exactly impress. Epic needs to release another PC demo, one that ISN'T a beta and just works well. If people keep getting stuck playing crappy unfinished demos, they aren't exactly going to be showered with money.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 14:03
vexed alex
My "rig" is Halo PC era (barely - medium settings). Also, the only UT I liked was I think 2004. It was where you had to destroy the power node things of the opposing team.

I tried playing UT 3 a friends house and it just feels the same. Except I did not see that cool gameplay mode I used to love. It still just is a twitch fest. It is too much of a commitment to get a PC that strong for something that is more or less the same.
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 14:05
JACK of No Trades
@Mogus

Just some stupid drunk people.

@SniperFodder

It is a small world. What part of city. Im on the South.
Dusty Gozongas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 14:34
Dusty Gozongas
I will buy it only when they release the next version of Air Buccaneers
Knives's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 14:58
Knives
The last months of 2007 were in no way the best moment for a gamer to spend money on their PC hardware.

Also, I bet TF2 took some of the UT2k4 players... like me.

@Caffeine
I really liked UT 99, hated 2k3 and the console ones, but loved 2k4.
PappaDukes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 15:46
PappaDukes
@Gameboi

"For all intended purposes" = FAIL!

For all intents and purposes = WIN!

(Adv. 1. for all intents and purposes - in every practical sense; "to all intents and purposes the case is closed"; "the rest are for all practical purposes useless"

Sorry to be that guy... Just spreading some vernacular love.
Gameboi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 16:22
Gameboi
@PappaDukes

You got me man. Thanks for the clarification.
casualweaponry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 18:54
casualweaponry
I am an Unreal FANBOY, but I was very disappointed in Unreal 3. It looks like they took some graphics, opened up Photoshop, and ran it through a "Gears or War" filter.

As spastic as the gameplay is, it's pretty boring. Single player (story mode) is actually very, very nonsensical; I can't even stand to discuss it.

Unreal 3 is a console game that made the jump to PC, and it shows really badly.

And like Knives said, TF2 is just killing Unreal 3 right now. Unreal 3 just isn't fun on the PC.
SniperFodder's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/18/2008 22:40
SniperFodder
@Jack

Reflection Ridge area. You a South East grajitt?
bee_brother's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/19/2008 00:30
bee_brother
I felt bad, when i kept calling this game sexy (on full post) while my girlfriend was in the room.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/22/2008 11:51
Fading Star
Numbers lie...and so does cake!

*Yes, I know that is not how the line goes so back off!
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