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Should have been on the 3DS when it came out. Now Nintendo is going to make a hardware revision and screw over early adopters.
This also puts possible 3DS owners in a pickle because were poised with the question hope for a new 3DS (which will undoubtedly be over-priced) or buy the current one and get thhe uncomfortable battery guzzling piece of shit accessory. Not half as bad as it is for early adopters but NINTENDO is pretty alienating everyone here
@ Apokalipz- Maybe, but does that spell doom for Nintendo? That's pretty much what they did with the DS (four iterations), what Sony and Microsoft are doing with the 360 and PS3 (multiple price drops and upgraded SKUs to both the PS3 and 360), what Sony did with the PSP (4 SKUs), and so forth. And don't even get me started on the iPhone/Pad.
It's weird to me that with the 3DS, people are so shocked and disappointed that Nintendo may come out with a new SKU down the line. It's sort of common business practice these says.
@ WelshWilderBeast- From what I've heard, the slide pad is very comfortable, and no one knows what the battery life is on the thing. Also, there are currently just five games that will be compatible with it.
Personally, I don't feel alienated by the thing. I just don't think I'm going to buy one.
It's weird to me that with the 3DS, people are so shocked and disappointed that Nintendo may come out with a new SKU down the line. It's sort of common business practice these says.
@ WelshWilderBeast- From what I've heard, the slide pad is very comfortable, and no one knows what the battery life is on the thing. Also, there are currently just five games that will be compatible with it.
Personally, I don't feel alienated by the thing. I just don't think I'm going to buy one.
The 3ds was the number 1 seller worldwide last week. I think all this is blown way out of proportion for an optional thing.
Nintendo has been releasing revisions since the nes...........youd think people would get with the program
Nintendo has been releasing revisions since the nes...........youd think people would get with the program
Nintendo: translates most closely to "near-sighted".
(according to funtrivia.com it actually means "leave luck to heaven")
(according to funtrivia.com it actually means "leave luck to heaven")
This guy's reservations as a consumer sound like what we heard from the vast majority of those critical of the second nub add-on in every other thread on Dtoid on the subject. I'm not entirely sure why his thoughts on the subject are reasonable and John Q. Gamer's aren't.
I dunno, this whole thing has struck me as 90% people expressing legitimate misgivings, 10% trolling, and 100% of the gaming media ridiculing all of them.
I dunno, this whole thing has struck me as 90% people expressing legitimate misgivings, 10% trolling, and 100% of the gaming media ridiculing all of them.
@Jonathan Holmes
Yeah I suppose they did something somewhat, almost not really similar. However none of the changes to the portable systems was poised to fundamentally effect the control scheme for the system.
The most change came from the DSi adding a camera .... that was used in what like three games? This isn't just some SKU with some internal hardware revisions to cut cost that the end user will likely never notice.
So yeah huge disappointment in Nintendo.
Not to mention a shining example of why people are not jumping on early hardware and consequently why the 3DS wasn't selling all that well to begin with. Because everyone knew there was a new hardware revision just around the corner that would probably have something like a better screen ...... not fundamental altered control scheme that further extends the middle finger to anyone who adopted early.
Yeah I suppose they did something somewhat, almost not really similar. However none of the changes to the portable systems was poised to fundamentally effect the control scheme for the system.
The most change came from the DSi adding a camera .... that was used in what like three games? This isn't just some SKU with some internal hardware revisions to cut cost that the end user will likely never notice.
So yeah huge disappointment in Nintendo.
Not to mention a shining example of why people are not jumping on early hardware and consequently why the 3DS wasn't selling all that well to begin with. Because everyone knew there was a new hardware revision just around the corner that would probably have something like a better screen ...... not fundamental altered control scheme that further extends the middle finger to anyone who adopted early.
It sucks that gamers are such whiny bitches nowadays. Goddamn.
There is no issue. Nobody got hurt. Nobody is being tricked. Nothing is happening. You are all fighting phantoms in your false logic and self delusion.
There is no issue. Nobody got hurt. Nobody is being tricked. Nothing is happening. You are all fighting phantoms in your false logic and self delusion.
At least there is one good thing that will come out of all this.... I can probably go pick up a 3DS(phat?) at some point in the near future for like $50 in a clearance bin. Simply because if they release a two nubbed 3DS no one is going to want to touch the original with a 10ft pole.
Problem is it's going to split the consumer base for devs. The already small market will be further split into who has 2 nubs and who doesn't. It seems likely that Nintendo will slowly, or maybe not so slowly, shift support to only those with 2 nubs. Forcing people to buy a peripheral to keep up.
That may be an extreme case and it's not known how Nintendo will act of course, but I don't think any platform that required a new part did well for very long after.
Majora's Mask comes to mind as the only successful example.
That may be an extreme case and it's not known how Nintendo will act of course, but I don't think any platform that required a new part did well for very long after.
Majora's Mask comes to mind as the only successful example.
@jonathan holmes
I don't think people are pissed that new literations of the 3ds will come out. Its the fact that the next sku will probably change the whole look and feel of the 3ds.
Yes all console manufactures make multiple different skus down the line that alter what the console looks like but neither the ds or the psp changed so drastically that affects gameplay. And I'm assuming that's why people are pissed, once the new 3ds comes out with the second nub I have a feeling the original 3ds will be obsolete.
I don't think people are pissed that new literations of the 3ds will come out. Its the fact that the next sku will probably change the whole look and feel of the 3ds.
Yes all console manufactures make multiple different skus down the line that alter what the console looks like but neither the ds or the psp changed so drastically that affects gameplay. And I'm assuming that's why people are pissed, once the new 3ds comes out with the second nub I have a feeling the original 3ds will be obsolete.
save your cash and get a vita. its embarrassing how far behind nintendo is, they have no idea what the consumers want. nubageddon is just the beginning of the end...mwahhhhh :-p
@ Tristrix- When did I say John Q gamer's thoughts aren't reasonable? John Q gamer /= The Prophets of gaming's future.
@ Scuffles- Well, like I said, there is no current announcement that their is going to be a new double nub SKU, and even if there were, there are no games currently planned that will require that you use it. In that way, the slide pad is actually less disrupting that PS Move, Kinect, or Wii Motion Plus. Those are fundementally altered control schemes. The slide pad as of now is just an alternate option, for use with about five games.
The thing is though, I don't blame you or anyone for fearin that its going to get worse than that. Nintendo's has arguably its worst year ever for being in tune with consumer interest; the Operation Rainfall stuff, releasing games like Steel Diver for $40 for the 3DS, etc.
This whole thing is a huge opportunity for Nintendo to defy negative expectations and prove to consumers that they can meet their needs. It will be interesting to see how well they capitalize on that opportunity, if at all.
@ Scuffles- Well, like I said, there is no current announcement that their is going to be a new double nub SKU, and even if there were, there are no games currently planned that will require that you use it. In that way, the slide pad is actually less disrupting that PS Move, Kinect, or Wii Motion Plus. Those are fundementally altered control schemes. The slide pad as of now is just an alternate option, for use with about five games.
The thing is though, I don't blame you or anyone for fearin that its going to get worse than that. Nintendo's has arguably its worst year ever for being in tune with consumer interest; the Operation Rainfall stuff, releasing games like Steel Diver for $40 for the 3DS, etc.
This whole thing is a huge opportunity for Nintendo to defy negative expectations and prove to consumers that they can meet their needs. It will be interesting to see how well they capitalize on that opportunity, if at all.
Never mind my post, it was a mess. Scuffles and neroisonfire put it way better than I could ever explain. :) hehe
I feel like this is more like the Dual shock for the PS1. Even though some games support an option to use it, only an extremely small amount (or very few) of games will absolutely require it.
@ Holmes
Besides Kinect and Move all revisions on the PS3 and 360 involved nothing more than using more energy efficient and smaller chipsets to decrease cost and increase reliability. There might have been some tweaking on hard drive sizes, USB ports and wireless but overall none of those effected what games you could play and how.
Until Kinect and Move. But those are small and vastly different control mechanisms that have never been used before in most cases. Certainly not industry standards.
Here we're talking about a second analog nub. This isn't new. We've had analog since the N64 and two since the PS1. This second nub isn't just some small revision. It's a big one that should have been present in the first place! It's been standard for the past three gens now on home consoles so why shouldn't Nintendo be eating tons of PR shit over this?
I think you're in denial over this Holmes. I respect you, but you stick up for Nintendo far too often on things that they have just royally botched. I think the thing you and many others forget is that having a second nub opens up the d pad for an additional 4 buttons to use if not five if the analogs have a button hidden in them as well.
A second nub vastly alters what game developers can do in terms of controls and features. Lest of all we forget the extra shoulder buttons that are included in the addon. This isn't just for FPS games either.
And we all know that a hardware revision for this is in the pipeline. Whether Nintendo is willing to hold off for a long while or not changes nothing of their hardware screw-up.
Besides Kinect and Move all revisions on the PS3 and 360 involved nothing more than using more energy efficient and smaller chipsets to decrease cost and increase reliability. There might have been some tweaking on hard drive sizes, USB ports and wireless but overall none of those effected what games you could play and how.
Until Kinect and Move. But those are small and vastly different control mechanisms that have never been used before in most cases. Certainly not industry standards.
Here we're talking about a second analog nub. This isn't new. We've had analog since the N64 and two since the PS1. This second nub isn't just some small revision. It's a big one that should have been present in the first place! It's been standard for the past three gens now on home consoles so why shouldn't Nintendo be eating tons of PR shit over this?
I think you're in denial over this Holmes. I respect you, but you stick up for Nintendo far too often on things that they have just royally botched. I think the thing you and many others forget is that having a second nub opens up the d pad for an additional 4 buttons to use if not five if the analogs have a button hidden in them as well.
A second nub vastly alters what game developers can do in terms of controls and features. Lest of all we forget the extra shoulder buttons that are included in the addon. This isn't just for FPS games either.
And we all know that a hardware revision for this is in the pipeline. Whether Nintendo is willing to hold off for a long while or not changes nothing of their hardware screw-up.
@ gmadera7
A second pad accessory spells doom for Nintendo? Whatever you say, fanboy. :D They're offering video recording in November, free demoes on the eShop, great first party games, and they oh yeah, persuaded Capcom to release the next major Monster Hunter sequel exclusively for their system. All of these things are what consumers wanted to happen for the 3DS since last year.
A second pad accessory spells doom for Nintendo? Whatever you say, fanboy. :D They're offering video recording in November, free demoes on the eShop, great first party games, and they oh yeah, persuaded Capcom to release the next major Monster Hunter sequel exclusively for their system. All of these things are what consumers wanted to happen for the 3DS since last year.
I'm already tired of this Nubageddon crap, Nintendo isn't doing anything different exactly when it comes to hardware changes, but we ALL KNOW this will be a part of a new sku in the future so why defend it? Just hold off on the thing and wait, still waiting on games anyways.
@ Lord Kolekovishin- To quote the announcer of Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike "Yeah! That makes sense!"
Nubbageddon is Johnathan Holmes' one man crusade against an entire Internet full of madness. I've never seen so many people get worked up over an issue so small. Holmes, you are in the top one percentile of respectable videogame "journalists" and you have a massive amount of experience handling crazys but I don't think even you can stop the insanity. Keep on fighting the good fight though, long live Holmes!
@Holmes
So this keeps getting brought up because of the 10% trolling about it? This article, with all due respect, is the first time I've seen you allow reasonable dissent, and it just so happens to be coming from a developer you hold in high regard. If I'm incorrect on that I apologize, I just haven't see it before now.
I don't mean to call you out on this, Holmes, you're generally one of the most reasonable and respectful contributors to this site and thus one of my favorite, but in my humble opinion, you've been a little defensive on this particular issue and more than a little dismissive and condescending toward the opposing viewpoint. Again, the "prophets of doom" represent a rather small minority of those speaking on the subject, yet they're being turned into straw men to dismiss any and all misgivings out of hand.
Many early adopters appear to feel somewhat betrayed by Nintendo right now. I'm not one of them because the 3DS has yet to pique my interest, but I do read their comments and can certainly see their point. I find it somewhat frustrating, then, to see them lumped in with the trolls and outright ridiculed. That sucks.
It's in the spirit of constructive criticism, Jonathan, that I say I haven't been a big fan of your reporting on this topic. I've found it to be entirely unfair toward those who, regardless of what you may personally think of it, feel they have a legitimate gripe. Just one guy's opinion, I could be wrong.
So this keeps getting brought up because of the 10% trolling about it? This article, with all due respect, is the first time I've seen you allow reasonable dissent, and it just so happens to be coming from a developer you hold in high regard. If I'm incorrect on that I apologize, I just haven't see it before now.
I don't mean to call you out on this, Holmes, you're generally one of the most reasonable and respectful contributors to this site and thus one of my favorite, but in my humble opinion, you've been a little defensive on this particular issue and more than a little dismissive and condescending toward the opposing viewpoint. Again, the "prophets of doom" represent a rather small minority of those speaking on the subject, yet they're being turned into straw men to dismiss any and all misgivings out of hand.
Many early adopters appear to feel somewhat betrayed by Nintendo right now. I'm not one of them because the 3DS has yet to pique my interest, but I do read their comments and can certainly see their point. I find it somewhat frustrating, then, to see them lumped in with the trolls and outright ridiculed. That sucks.
It's in the spirit of constructive criticism, Jonathan, that I say I haven't been a big fan of your reporting on this topic. I've found it to be entirely unfair toward those who, regardless of what you may personally think of it, feel they have a legitimate gripe. Just one guy's opinion, I could be wrong.
I don't see the harm in giving players the future option to shell out so extra dough for double nub.
Seriously?
You want more of that? Even worse in this case it actually should have been part of the original design to begin with.
You know you all could just... stop giving Nintendo your money. I mean, I did and it's worked out great! I went from a GBA-SP to a DS Lite and have never considered getting anything past that. Good games are still being made on the regular old DS, so unless you really want to pay full price for N64 games or are that into gimmicky 3D then what's the point?
Seriously?
You want more of that? Even worse in this case it actually should have been part of the original design to begin with.
You know you all could just... stop giving Nintendo your money. I mean, I did and it's worked out great! I went from a GBA-SP to a DS Lite and have never considered getting anything past that. Good games are still being made on the regular old DS, so unless you really want to pay full price for N64 games or are that into gimmicky 3D then what's the point?
@ Tristix- Hmmm, honestly, I really don't know where you're coming from on this one. I'v only done a few posts on this topic, and never have I said that people didn't have cause to be pessimistic here.
did you see last weekend's feature- http://www.destructoid.com/talking-to-women-about-videogames-3ds-2nd-nub-panic-211109.phtml
where i said "I think gamers had good cause to be extremely pessimistic about the analog nub cradle, mostly because Nintendo left way too much to the imagination in the process of revealing the product."?
Gah! Quoting myself feels so narcissistic and weird!
did you see last weekend's feature- http://www.destructoid.com/talking-to-women-about-videogames-3ds-2nd-nub-panic-211109.phtml
where i said "I think gamers had good cause to be extremely pessimistic about the analog nub cradle, mostly because Nintendo left way too much to the imagination in the process of revealing the product."?
Gah! Quoting myself feels so narcissistic and weird!
I see. I'm wrong then and I apologize, but I'm confused now. I keep seeing all these tongue-in-cheek "nubageddon" articles from you making fun of the topic. Where's that coming from, then? I'd been taking that as indication that you felt the entire discussion was stupid and no one had any cause whatsoever to disagree.
My misunderstanding, but now I'm left wondering, what IS your stance on this? Legitimate complaint that you feel has been overblown, I suppose?
My misunderstanding, but now I'm left wondering, what IS your stance on this? Legitimate complaint that you feel has been overblown, I suppose?
It's probably a reasonable assumption that the battery life on Frankenstick will be very good. It may run off a single AAA battery, but if you consider the guts of the device, note that the actual design of the thing isn't far removed from a TV remote control. It interfaces with the 3DS via an IR port, and it has no processing unit of its own. All it is is a couple buttons attached to a circuit board and an IR transmitter. The thing will probably last dozens of hours at least. Perhaps upwards of 80.
I think some elements of Destructoid are blowing the annoyance of the community over this situation a little bit out of proportion.
What people are thinking is that, hey, the 3DS JUST launched, and they must have been working on this slide-pad thing WHILE they were working on the 3DS. It's not a situation where a year latter they're trying to correct a design flaw based on customer feedback, or the cost of materials has gone down enough to increase functionality for the same price.
People want to know why the nub wasn't included in the original design, and that's a valid question.
Things like this really put developers in an awkward situation. Should they incorporate it in their game? If they do, does it make the perception of the vanilla configuration appear to be the "inferior version"? Imagine that you want to make a new game, one that would be much better with two nubs; if the 3DS had those nubs standard then there would be no worries, but now you're dependent on people buying an accessory to really enjoy your work.
It's not the end of the world, it's not the end of Nintendo, but it is kind of a mess.
What people are thinking is that, hey, the 3DS JUST launched, and they must have been working on this slide-pad thing WHILE they were working on the 3DS. It's not a situation where a year latter they're trying to correct a design flaw based on customer feedback, or the cost of materials has gone down enough to increase functionality for the same price.
People want to know why the nub wasn't included in the original design, and that's a valid question.
Things like this really put developers in an awkward situation. Should they incorporate it in their game? If they do, does it make the perception of the vanilla configuration appear to be the "inferior version"? Imagine that you want to make a new game, one that would be much better with two nubs; if the 3DS had those nubs standard then there would be no worries, but now you're dependent on people buying an accessory to really enjoy your work.
It's not the end of the world, it's not the end of Nintendo, but it is kind of a mess.
I dislike the one nub so I wont be getting this. I guess I'm getting too old but my hand goes numb if I use it.
The nub may not always be optional, and the comparison to the Dslite is not entirely fair. Comparison to the DSi is, as that did contain a new input device.
I just thought I might add, the battery in that nub is going to last a REALLY long time, all it's doing is giving voltage to the nub so it can send a signal down the port of the 3DS. They could have put a watch battery in the thing and it would've been fine, but aaa batteries are cheaper.
Nintendo is the shit. They can have my fucking money. Case closed.
comicretard is no retard at all. In the end everyone will give their money to Nintendo. I know I will.
comicretard is no retard at all. In the end everyone will give their money to Nintendo. I know I will.
What happened: Nintendo fucked up, learned nothing from the PSP complaints of one analog stick, patched the problem and passed the cost of the fix on to their fans.
What should have happened: Nintendo begins production of a two analog stick 3DS and sends a free slidepad to anyone who has bought / will buy the current model.
What should have happened: Nintendo begins production of a two analog stick 3DS and sends a free slidepad to anyone who has bought / will buy the current model.
All these people speaking about screwing over early adopters must have never played videogames before. They speak like buying extras, for any console, is a foreign concept. Let me remind some people: every console you get, you normally have to buy a second contoller. Then there's the memory cards you used to have to buy. New video cords too if your TV is different to the console's default, or if you want better quality video. Now, for handhelds, I remember the original Gameboy to Gameboy Advance each had their own little screen magnifiers, rechargeable battery sets, sometimes even little joysticks and rumble packs. The GBA SP sort of brought an end to that, but still needed attachments for multiplayer like the rest did. The original DS with its large amount of revisions however lulled us into thinking "oh, we don't need extras... (apart from styli, carry-cases to prevent the hinges from giving out if it fell, etc et al)". The revisions made us think Nintendo was trying to rip us off (when Nintendo never said XYZ is NECESSARY, you could have just been happy with the original DS). Then, we get to the 3DS, and now people think extras are bad, and think the 3DS is a revision of the original DS. Ayayay.
What happened to game consumers when they were a fun bunch, and liked buying extras, and were excited when they used them, and embraced any faults? It's like the Tea Party of video games.
What happened to game consumers when they were a fun bunch, and liked buying extras, and were excited when they used them, and embraced any faults? It's like the Tea Party of video games.
I'm glad all I have to do to feel better when Sony fanboys overreact is look at sales charts. Sorry but the Vita is going to fail. The 3DS is selling well. The slide pad does not matter. The Vita isn't going to make it to the states in time for Christmas and is too expensive. Nintendo hasn't even announced when Pokemon is coming out. Just sayin'.
The funny thing is, Mr. Neuse, this is exactly how I feel aboutyour most recent compelation releases. As a rabid Bit.Trip fan I will buy one or both of them, but I can't help but feel a bit like I'm giving you more money eveytime you make a revision. Plus I would rather just buy the 3DS version, but wait, you left all the best new content out of that one.
@ carrierj1
"The Vita is going to fail."
Hee hee. At this point, that is a stupid claim. The 3DS is going to outsell the Vita, but it's surely not going to fail. It will be more successful than the PSP.
"The Vita is going to fail."
Hee hee. At this point, that is a stupid claim. The 3DS is going to outsell the Vita, but it's surely not going to fail. It will be more successful than the PSP.
@ carrierj1
Also, you think the Vita is THAT expensive?! People were expecting it to cost $349.99-399.99. Only $249.99/299.99 for it's powerful hardware/content, it's a good bargain. You can get 2 for the same price of an IPad. I bet you were saying the 3DS wasn't that overppriced when it was $249.99 at launch. Fanboys, these days.
Also, you think the Vita is THAT expensive?! People were expecting it to cost $349.99-399.99. Only $249.99/299.99 for it's powerful hardware/content, it's a good bargain. You can get 2 for the same price of an IPad. I bet you were saying the 3DS wasn't that overppriced when it was $249.99 at launch. Fanboys, these days.
For now I think it's just blowing smoke, but what people are REALLY upset about is the future potential for early buyers being screwed over if the 2Nub becomes standard.
Think about it... Sure, developers will probably still include a second control option for original owners, but if 2Nubs is standard, then they're probably going to develop the game with that feature in mind and tack on the optional controls in the end.
Thus, the original adopters are left to buy an awkward adapter to play games the way they were developed to be played.
Of course, this is all speculation, but I can't say I'd be pleased if I currently owned the system.
Think about it... Sure, developers will probably still include a second control option for original owners, but if 2Nubs is standard, then they're probably going to develop the game with that feature in mind and tack on the optional controls in the end.
Thus, the original adopters are left to buy an awkward adapter to play games the way they were developed to be played.
Of course, this is all speculation, but I can't say I'd be pleased if I currently owned the system.
Whats the big deal? Buy it or dont buy it. Simple as that. If you want a game that requires you to use it, then looks like you have to purchase the pad.
Anyone find it rather interesting that Nintendo is pushing support for an awkward nub attachment while over on the Wii side of things they continue to release games with mandatory waggle (i.e. DKCR) when the Classic Controller was supposed to be created as a control option for games like that?
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