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Well, considering that the game launched only about a week or two before the NPD report, I'm not quite ready to call this one a flop quite yet. Plus, you know, games sell over time blah blah long legs blah blah.
FUCK NO!!!
i have not played this game yet, yet i was very hyped about it, also it had a really good critical reception, so its a shame it had such a sub par perfomance sales-wise
DAMMIT, now if you excuse me im going punch things becuz im angry
i have not played this game yet, yet i was very hyped about it, also it had a really good critical reception, so its a shame it had such a sub par perfomance sales-wise
DAMMIT, now if you excuse me im going punch things becuz im angry
Wow guillermo, what a well-thought out post. Tell me now, what relation does Just Dance have with Red Steel 2's quality? Also, capitalization: learn it.
"Some would be quick to explain this away with the old "hardcore games don't sell on the Wii" mantra, but that doesn't really wash, considering that Modern Warfare Reflex sold around a million copies since last November, and Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles sold over 500K since December. There are at least that many Wii owners who would buy a "hardcore" game like Red Steel 2, but so far, most of them haven't. Why is that?"
@Jonathan Holmes
those are the few exceptions to the general rule, becuz even with those sales those games cant even touch the numbers games like RE5 and COD4 on the xbox360/ps3 managed to pull out on the ps3/xbox360
also why werent you hyped about red steel 2, it definitively seems like one of the most original FPS this year
@Jonathan Holmes
those are the few exceptions to the general rule, becuz even with those sales those games cant even touch the numbers games like RE5 and COD4 on the xbox360/ps3 managed to pull out on the ps3/xbox360
also why werent you hyped about red steel 2, it definitively seems like one of the most original FPS this year
"Some would be quick to explain this away with the old "hardcore games don't sell on the Wii" mantra, but that doesn't really wash, considering that Modern Warfare Reflex sold around a million copies since last November, and Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles sold over 500K since December."
Well those games have the benefit of being Call of Duty and Resident Evil games which are both well known franchises. But yeah, I wouldn't judge the game's sales until next month.
Well those games have the benefit of being Call of Duty and Resident Evil games which are both well known franchises. But yeah, I wouldn't judge the game's sales until next month.
@JHolmes
"What if Ubisoft sold Red Steel 2 for $30 for the first twelve days, and after that pledged to sell the game for no less than $50 for at least twelve months? How well do you think the game would have sold then?"
When I heard you (I think it was you) say this on Bit Transmission, I thought it was a BRILLIANT idea. It would pull all those people on the proverbial fence over the side in the game's favor. I know I'd have quite a few more week-one purchases if that were implemented.
"What if Ubisoft sold Red Steel 2 for $30 for the first twelve days, and after that pledged to sell the game for no less than $50 for at least twelve months? How well do you think the game would have sold then?"
When I heard you (I think it was you) say this on Bit Transmission, I thought it was a BRILLIANT idea. It would pull all those people on the proverbial fence over the side in the game's favor. I know I'd have quite a few more week-one purchases if that were implemented.
This is my argument for hwy people should stop with the notion that a name will sell a game. Would Red Steel 2 have sold better without the Res Steel name attached to it? Who knows. I personally might have been more interested in it if it did. Then again, given what I've seen of the game, it just doesn't appeal to me regardless of the name attached to it.
Oh, and I might as well say what I think may be the reason for RS2 not selling so well: gamers were busy buying Final Fantasy 13, God of War 3 and Battlefield Bad Company 2. Red Steel 2 just had the poor luck to be released alongside these giants. Perhaps when gamers are done with those titles, they'll work their way to Red Steel 2. It could happen.
Bought Red Steel day 1 of its release and love it. I'm currently nearing the end of my third playthrough. As far as I'm concerned, Ubisoft has redeemed itself and beat LucasArts to the punch by offering the first great motion controlled swordplay title. I'd really like to see Red Steel 3 but given these underwhelming sales figures, it's disappointing that it may never happen.
By the way, people still don't seem to understand that Red Steel 2 is by far, a signicantly different and more enjoyable experience when compared to the original Red Steel. It's not even a direct sequel but a spiritual successor.
I'm just not surprised anymore by how disappointing it is to see good third-party games bomb on the Wii.Wii owners fail again!
It's not surprising anymore that the majority of core gamers on the Wii are letting yet another good third-party game potentially flop.
By the way, people still don't seem to understand that Red Steel 2 is by far, a signicantly different and more enjoyable experience when compared to the original Red Steel. It's not even a direct sequel but a spiritual successor.
I'm just not surprised anymore by how disappointing it is to see good third-party games bomb on the Wii.Wii owners fail again!
It's not surprising anymore that the majority of core gamers on the Wii are letting yet another good third-party game potentially flop.
I bought it the day it came out, the MP bundle, even.
I don't regret a damn thing, everyone who likes FPS's should play it. Even if you hated the first, it doesn't matter, this one has absolutely nothing to do with the first. It's essentially a standalone game with the Red Steel name, not a sequel.
Everyone I know was just so caught up with the whole 'the first game sucked' stupidity that they refused to give the second game a chance. People put far too much stock in a name instead of looking at what's really important. It's a damn fun game, it has some minor irritations, but overall it's one of the most polished third party games available on the system.
I don't regret a damn thing, everyone who likes FPS's should play it. Even if you hated the first, it doesn't matter, this one has absolutely nothing to do with the first. It's essentially a standalone game with the Red Steel name, not a sequel.
Everyone I know was just so caught up with the whole 'the first game sucked' stupidity that they refused to give the second game a chance. People put far too much stock in a name instead of looking at what's really important. It's a damn fun game, it has some minor irritations, but overall it's one of the most polished third party games available on the system.
Attack of the avatar-less. Anyway, the first one sold 100k in a week because there was pretty much nothing else out on the Wii to buy at that time.
I'm sick of the excuses.
Quite frankly, the game didn't bomb due to a lack of marketing or bad reviews (it actually saw decent promotional effort and received good reviws). No, the thing is the game flopped due to a simple lack of consumer interest. If Wii owners really want to see more creative, mature and stylish core games on the Wii, then they better start supporting the ones that are already out.
Quite frankly, the game didn't bomb due to a lack of marketing or bad reviews (it actually saw decent promotional effort and received good reviws). No, the thing is the game flopped due to a simple lack of consumer interest. If Wii owners really want to see more creative, mature and stylish core games on the Wii, then they better start supporting the ones that are already out.
first off, ubisoft has proven that their games can have long legs, so i wouldn't count rs2 out. i do find that a lot of people are waiting on this one, myself included. for me, it's definitely about timing. i could easily see myself buying this game at full price on the first week. i did for the first one. BUT, your point about megaman and cave story couldn't be more true. i've been absolutely SPOILED with the wii lately. the fact is, i have more games than i have time to play , these days. that's probably what turns this must have into a probable rent. that, and i just got my hands on muramasa. in love with that, btw.
Hardcore games do not sell on the wii unless they have a strong franchise yo back them up. It's that simple. Wii owners do not care about hardcore titles. This isn't a knock on the wii, there is quality there, too bad the audience couldn't be bothered to give a damn.
This is surprising considering how good this game is. Could it be that the core Wii audience just isn't interested in these games either because they're too young, too old or seemingly don't care because it's not an established franchise.
Hey, if Wii owners can't appreciate what a great title this is I'd be all for seeing a 3rd game on the PS3 and 360.
Hey, if Wii owners can't appreciate what a great title this is I'd be all for seeing a 3rd game on the PS3 and 360.
I didn't bought it and i don't plan to...
The game looks like fun, it's just i didn't find it appealing. Fragile looked much more promising to me, well, everything is in the past now. The present is the time for monster hunting.
The game looks like fun, it's just i didn't find it appealing. Fragile looked much more promising to me, well, everything is in the past now. The present is the time for monster hunting.
Why they didn't make it multiplayer with all shorts of nice things like co op I don't know. They must have been drunk.
I never really played Red Steel but I was willing to give part 2 a chance. But the game never interested me. So I passed on it and probably won't be picking it up anytime soon. In the next few weeks I will be busy with Monster Hunter, SSF4, Galaxy 2, Metroid, and star successor
I'm surprised you didn't like the first Red Steel Holmes. I know it gets a lot of hate, but I actually enjoyed it. Haven't started this one yet.
Personally, the solution would be to never lower the price if customers expect the price to go down after a few months. Teach customers that games do not lower in price, and they will eventaully buy your games at full price.
As someone who wanted something like Red Steel 2, I didn't buy the game for a few reasons, the biggest being that I didn't find it interesting. The Wild west is simply not something that fascinates me. Now take the same gameplay controls and put them into a Star Wars game, and I would be a lot more interested. Put them in something colorful and pretty instead of brown and grimy and I would also be more interested. I get too much brown as it is, why would I want another brown game? There are other colors to choose from, and most of them make for pretty, more colorful worlds.
So, I didn't buy Red Steel 2 because the context didn't interest me, in spite of having the gameplay I want. And I'm shallow - I can love Sonic '06 because of the context of Sonic, and hate Resident Evil 4 for similar reasons.
As someone who wanted something like Red Steel 2, I didn't buy the game for a few reasons, the biggest being that I didn't find it interesting. The Wild west is simply not something that fascinates me. Now take the same gameplay controls and put them into a Star Wars game, and I would be a lot more interested. Put them in something colorful and pretty instead of brown and grimy and I would also be more interested. I get too much brown as it is, why would I want another brown game? There are other colors to choose from, and most of them make for pretty, more colorful worlds.
So, I didn't buy Red Steel 2 because the context didn't interest me, in spite of having the gameplay I want. And I'm shallow - I can love Sonic '06 because of the context of Sonic, and hate Resident Evil 4 for similar reasons.
Eh, no one should listen to guillermo. He's just a fanboy that got his feelings hurt, so like the 3 year old he is, he has to call things names.
Selling 50,000 for its first week isn't bad, but its not great either. People are so quick to call something a flop now though. Especially on the Wii, and DS, but just look at Boom Blox, and GTA: CTW as a example.
Both games were pegged as flops by the gaming media for poor first months sales, yet both games have now gone on to sell over a million units. Wii, and DS games just have longer legs than games the 360, or PS3. Games on those consoles just don't pop with big huge sales for the first month, but they sell really well for many months, if not years later. A million seller is still a million seller, no matter how long it takes to get there!
Both games were pegged as flops by the gaming media for poor first months sales, yet both games have now gone on to sell over a million units. Wii, and DS games just have longer legs than games the 360, or PS3. Games on those consoles just don't pop with big huge sales for the first month, but they sell really well for many months, if not years later. A million seller is still a million seller, no matter how long it takes to get there!
And a 20 million seller is still a twenty million seller, but the industry tends to ignore those if they're made by Nintendo.
It's not that this game "didn't have X" or that's it's on the Wii.
Red Steel 2 looks like a solid game, but it also looks BLAND.
Sorry, but it really is that simple.
Red Steel 2 looks like a solid game, but it also looks BLAND.
Sorry, but it really is that simple.
well I haven't bought it yet because money is scarce... also Monster Hunter Tri. Multiplayer is becoming integral to extending the value of a game, except in rare cases like Zelda or Bioshock.
That's what you get when you have such a radical art shift. I know a lot of people who wanted a new Red Steel and didn't even recognize Red Steel 2.
That and yeah there was no demand.
That and yeah there was no demand.
I think the lack of multiplayer and short single player are probably the reasons for the poor sales. If so, then it's totally the developers' fault. There's really no excuse for such brevity if you have nothing to extend it beyond the single player.
You know, I was thinkingg when i saw this earlier that releasing at the end of the month had something to do with the low sales...
At anyrate, its reviewed pretty well. I personally would expect higher numbers in its second recorded month, because of that.
Unfortunately, it came out in a pretty bad spot. My money for March got ate up by Heavy Rain, FFXIII, Tatsu vs Capcom and a handful of digital releases. And considering how much I've already spent this year, brother had to scale it back a notch.
Still looking forward to playing this, but releasing right there after ME2, FFXIII, and Deadly Premonition, I'm sure there were a few people that were all like "Look, I can't buy all these games!"
I'm the worst Wii Fanboy ever.
At anyrate, its reviewed pretty well. I personally would expect higher numbers in its second recorded month, because of that.
Unfortunately, it came out in a pretty bad spot. My money for March got ate up by Heavy Rain, FFXIII, Tatsu vs Capcom and a handful of digital releases. And considering how much I've already spent this year, brother had to scale it back a notch.
Still looking forward to playing this, but releasing right there after ME2, FFXIII, and Deadly Premonition, I'm sure there were a few people that were all like "Look, I can't buy all these games!"
I'm the worst Wii Fanboy ever.
@Hiltz i think we should all support the games we like, not any game just because is MATOOR or HARDCORE TO PWN SUM NOOBZ.
I didn't cared about Red Steel 2 and i stil don't care. If it's the last one of the franchise on the Wii, i can only feel bad about the people who like it, cause it won't be missed for me.
I didn't cared about Red Steel 2 and i stil don't care. If it's the last one of the franchise on the Wii, i can only feel bad about the people who like it, cause it won't be missed for me.
On principal, if this had a solid multiplayer (Which is to say if they felt confident enough to put time into it) AND if there was an actual community structure to the Wii, this would have been a killer. As it is though, it sounds like they made a good move in not devoting time to multiplayer: the single player has reviewed pretty well.
A lack of a consistent, points/leaderboard/hey what's so-n-so playing system on the Wii, imho, mmakes online multiplayer WAY less of a must have for a Wii title. There just no hooking infrastructure, ya know?
A lack of a consistent, points/leaderboard/hey what's so-n-so playing system on the Wii, imho, mmakes online multiplayer WAY less of a must have for a Wii title. There just no hooking infrastructure, ya know?
Where did you get those numbers for MW: Reflex and RE: Darkside Chronicles? Pleassssssse do not say VGChartz.
"I didn't like the first Red Steel, so the sequel got rightfully bumped by the likes of Mega Man 10, Cave Story, Sakura Wars, and Fragile Dreams."
I think that right there might be the biggest "why" as to the red steel 2 issue. After such a bad start on the franchise its gonna be hard for gamers to take a "leap of fate" into this new red steel, even more considering we already had new and exiting games with no bad-karma like cave story.
I think that right there might be the biggest "why" as to the red steel 2 issue. After such a bad start on the franchise its gonna be hard for gamers to take a "leap of fate" into this new red steel, even more considering we already had new and exiting games with no bad-karma like cave story.
This game is amazingly fun. Go buy it and try it yourself. Probably one of the funnest games out there in the market. Ubisoft did a great job implementing WiiMotionPlus. Two thumbs up from me.
The Wii needs demos. Nintendo, if you're smart, you'll make your online service more robust. Please.
Honestly, I didn't but it because it just plain doesn't look interesting to me. I'm sure plenty of you found it a fun game, it just didn't spark my interest one bit. I dunno if that's my fault, or their marketing's fault. I don't care, it doesn't matter. The fact is, at no point did I even consider buying that game, and still wouldn't unless I saw it drop to the $19.99 mark, and only then if I had nothing else at the time I wanted.
@ Tubatic - Solid multiplayer wouldn't have made me want the game either.
It just does not look interesting to me. Everything is brown, your character is some faceless, nameless (as far as I'm aware) stranger, I don't really understand why it is that I am fighting, and the enemies looked surprisingly dull for guys that are chopping off your head with one hand and shooting you in the face with the other.
It should be a really, really cool game. It just isn't interesting. I'm not sure why it doesn't provoke any interest, but it just doesn't.
Personally, I think I care too much about the color scheme. All the modern, core games look drab and colorless to me. At least Sonic games never have boring visuals.
It just does not look interesting to me. Everything is brown, your character is some faceless, nameless (as far as I'm aware) stranger, I don't really understand why it is that I am fighting, and the enemies looked surprisingly dull for guys that are chopping off your head with one hand and shooting you in the face with the other.
It should be a really, really cool game. It just isn't interesting. I'm not sure why it doesn't provoke any interest, but it just doesn't.
Personally, I think I care too much about the color scheme. All the modern, core games look drab and colorless to me. At least Sonic games never have boring visuals.
Seeing as the first Red Steel was crap...is it really that big a mystery why people aren't day one buying it?
But the other thing is...the entire article is a bit ridiculous and Ubisoft has a legitimate point: You're judging sales off of twelve days and eluding towards it being a full month and declared a failure.
Personally, I have no interest in the game (or Wii in general). But I do find interest in misleading information (in tone, anyway) to make more of a story when there isn't one.
I dream of a day when Dtoid looks at it's self and thinks "You know, I'm better than that."
But the other thing is...the entire article is a bit ridiculous and Ubisoft has a legitimate point: You're judging sales off of twelve days and eluding towards it being a full month and declared a failure.
Personally, I have no interest in the game (or Wii in general). But I do find interest in misleading information (in tone, anyway) to make more of a story when there isn't one.
I dream of a day when Dtoid looks at it's self and thinks "You know, I'm better than that."
Wii owners - We want a worthwhile sword fighting game.Red Steel 1 wasn't good enough.
Ubisoft - Okay, we here yeah! 3 years later ...So we finally delivered on our promise of making a great sword fighting game! It's also got great graphics too!
Wii owners - We don't want it now.
Ubisoft - ... (speaking amongst themselves) Let's go ahead and cancel all future Wii development projects (yes, that includes Beyond Good & Evil 2).
They don't deserve it anyway.
Ubisoft - Okay, we here yeah! 3 years later ...So we finally delivered on our promise of making a great sword fighting game! It's also got great graphics too!
Wii owners - We don't want it now.
Ubisoft - ... (speaking amongst themselves) Let's go ahead and cancel all future Wii development projects (yes, that includes Beyond Good & Evil 2).
They don't deserve it anyway.
Doomed by the name. Red Steel the original was such a failure that why they saddled 2 with the name is beyond me. Especially considering it isn't that good a name.
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