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I don't really see how anyone could be looking forward to it at this point. Sony's done a bang up job of making me back out of a pre-order.
There are some decent games, but nothing that really makes me want a Vita. One account really doesn't even bother me personally, its everything else they've done with the digital distribution side and the lack storage options that's making me want a PSP again instead.
But this does suck for importers. I never did any importing with PSP, but I did like that I could play Japanese demos on the thing.
3DS is turning around nicely, though, so I can live without a Vita until a proper revision is done.
There are some decent games, but nothing that really makes me want a Vita. One account really doesn't even bother me personally, its everything else they've done with the digital distribution side and the lack storage options that's making me want a PSP again instead.
But this does suck for importers. I never did any importing with PSP, but I did like that I could play Japanese demos on the thing.
3DS is turning around nicely, though, so I can live without a Vita until a proper revision is done.
Who would seriously need more than one account on a handheld device anyway? I mean realistically. It would be a cool feature to have, but I'm assuming most people would buy the handheld for themselves or for someone else, not one to share between multiple people. That's what the home console experience is for.
I went from Vita obsession to not giving a fuck.
3DS is finally worth owning. Sony pushes me further and further away from the Vita each day. I'll wait for a huge price drop and affordable memory.
3DS is finally worth owning. Sony pushes me further and further away from the Vita each day. I'll wait for a huge price drop and affordable memory.
Oh Sony, how can I ever trust you if you can't make up your mind on anything?
I honestly don't care about having multiple accounts, but when I'm considering preordering a $250 console, I want to know what it can and can't do, upfront.
I can easily imagine someone who depends on multiple accounts for things like getting PSN games from other regions, who would be completely screwed by this. Especially if they preordered it thinking it would support multiple accounts as previously reported, and then missed this article.
I honestly don't care about having multiple accounts, but when I'm considering preordering a $250 console, I want to know what it can and can't do, upfront.
I can easily imagine someone who depends on multiple accounts for things like getting PSN games from other regions, who would be completely screwed by this. Especially if they preordered it thinking it would support multiple accounts as previously reported, and then missed this article.
Waiting to see if Sony lied about the region free bit too, I don't think they did, or see why they would, but I wouldn't put it past them at this point.
If it's not region free, I don't know if I'll bother buying one right away, since if it's anything like the PSP, Japan will get three times as much content as the US does. And I actually want to own physical copies of things I import. Even so, I'll probably just make my Vita linked exclusively to a JP account.
This is kind of a big deal for people like me who want to get in on the free/exclusive stuff on other marketplaces. It's an even bigger deal when their reasons for locking it out make little to no sense, and even moreso when any import titles you buy (or download) will require that region's PSN account to access additional content.
If it's not region free, I don't know if I'll bother buying one right away, since if it's anything like the PSP, Japan will get three times as much content as the US does. And I actually want to own physical copies of things I import. Even so, I'll probably just make my Vita linked exclusively to a JP account.
This is kind of a big deal for people like me who want to get in on the free/exclusive stuff on other marketplaces. It's an even bigger deal when their reasons for locking it out make little to no sense, and even moreso when any import titles you buy (or download) will require that region's PSN account to access additional content.
Ill stick with my one account.
Don't Ipods require one account at a time?
Don't 3DSes require one account?
Just because PSP could do multiple accounts, doesn't mean Vita should . Its not an upgrade, not a down grade. Its not nessecary, man.
Still, 6 games & a 32GB memeory card are put down for pre-order when this bitch comes out. SO HYPE.
Don't Ipods require one account at a time?
Don't 3DSes require one account?
Just because PSP could do multiple accounts, doesn't mean Vita should . Its not an upgrade, not a down grade. Its not nessecary, man.
Still, 6 games & a 32GB memeory card are put down for pre-order when this bitch comes out. SO HYPE.
@Epic - To my knowledge, per last weeks 3DS update, you can only have one account but unlike Playstation products, you can share games between more than one 3DS.
Sony's November EULA update restricts your account to two Playstation devices for game downloads from that day forward.
To my knowledge, Apple also doesn't place such a limit on Apple devices and it would be silly if they did because it goes against what iOS5 and iCloud are all about - sharing content between devices.
One account isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's all about what you're allowed to do with that account and with Sony it seems you're allowed to do and have less and less as each day goes by.
Sony's November EULA update restricts your account to two Playstation devices for game downloads from that day forward.
To my knowledge, Apple also doesn't place such a limit on Apple devices and it would be silly if they did because it goes against what iOS5 and iCloud are all about - sharing content between devices.
One account isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's all about what you're allowed to do with that account and with Sony it seems you're allowed to do and have less and less as each day goes by.
Why the hell is Jim still writing for destructoid and not The SUN????
Just read the previous article and his delivery of "news" is spot on with their provoked hype and trolling!
Also heres a quote he used in his previous article from Sony:
“Your PSN ID is bonded to your memory card and your memory card is bonded to your Vita," a PSN rep told Wired. "So if you wanted to change different PSN users but use the same memory card, you would need to go factory reset."
Not sure where in there they said "MULTIPLE MEMORY CARDS = MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS!!!1!!!!!1!" but then again its what they DIDN'T say that is important to developing a trollolol Jim/Sun story to ruffle the masses!
I enjoy Jim's reviews but his "news" articles, eh not so much......
Just read the previous article and his delivery of "news" is spot on with their provoked hype and trolling!
Also heres a quote he used in his previous article from Sony:
“Your PSN ID is bonded to your memory card and your memory card is bonded to your Vita," a PSN rep told Wired. "So if you wanted to change different PSN users but use the same memory card, you would need to go factory reset."
Not sure where in there they said "MULTIPLE MEMORY CARDS = MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS!!!1!!!!!1!" but then again its what they DIDN'T say that is important to developing a trollolol Jim/Sun story to ruffle the masses!
I enjoy Jim's reviews but his "news" articles, eh not so much......
@The Silent Protagonist
You do realize that iCloud is meant for sharing between iDevices that *you* own?
If I have an iPad, MacBook Air, and an iPhone, I'd have to put my account info on all three. Sure, I could give someone the info, but that's really stupid.
But... I get your point.
You do realize that iCloud is meant for sharing between iDevices that *you* own?
If I have an iPad, MacBook Air, and an iPhone, I'd have to put my account info on all three. Sure, I could give someone the info, but that's really stupid.
But... I get your point.
@KenAkuma: You can't read a source article can you?
"Speaking to Wired.com at a press event in Manhattan, Sony associate brand marketing manager Crystal MacKenzie said that PlayStation Network accounts will be connected to the Vita’s proprietary memory cards, not the hardware itself. Though you will have to restore the Vita to its default factory settings in order to change the account on each memory card, you can use multiple cards to access multiple PSN accounts on a single Vita system."
"Speaking to Wired.com at a press event in Manhattan, Sony associate brand marketing manager Crystal MacKenzie said that PlayStation Network accounts will be connected to the Vita’s proprietary memory cards, not the hardware itself. Though you will have to restore the Vita to its default factory settings in order to change the account on each memory card, you can use multiple cards to access multiple PSN accounts on a single Vita system."
When the system was first announced, they confirmed that games would be region free but PSN content and storefronts would be region locked. This was Day 1 information and was never really in question. However, considering the writer continues to bang on and on about a Tetris Mini price that hasn't BEEN that price in at least 9 months, I'm not exactly expecting informed here...
@hardy83
We like that more because we are already aware Nintendo is kind of a coward with everything online yet. Sony on the other hand, we already know they have a better capacity and experience now, but they keep giving mixed signals to the customers.
We like that more because we are already aware Nintendo is kind of a coward with everything online yet. Sony on the other hand, we already know they have a better capacity and experience now, but they keep giving mixed signals to the customers.
So the Vita is region free ..... but locked to one account without formatting it back to factory specs .... and you will need multiple memory cards(?)
God this is turning into such a cluderfuck since they went with inept rout that they might as well have just region locked the damn thing...
Perhapse I'm just missing the subliminal message here
"Buy three PSVitas! one for each region.... region ....region .... Oh and don't forger the proprietary memory...memory ....... memory........"
God this is turning into such a cluderfuck since they went with inept rout that they might as well have just region locked the damn thing...
Perhapse I'm just missing the subliminal message here
"Buy three PSVitas! one for each region.... region ....region .... Oh and don't forger the proprietary memory...memory ....... memory........"
@hardy, epic
The main difference with the 3ds though is that it is region locked, and multiple accounts are kind of pointless making region free accounts the only point to this kind of thing. The vita not having this capacity is worse than the 3ds not having it.
And no, the i-stuff can have multiple and multi region accounts, though I think they need to be switched.
The main difference with the 3ds though is that it is region locked, and multiple accounts are kind of pointless making region free accounts the only point to this kind of thing. The vita not having this capacity is worse than the 3ds not having it.
And no, the i-stuff can have multiple and multi region accounts, though I think they need to be switched.
So what does this mean if later on down the line I want to upgrade to a bigger memory card? I have to erase/redownload everything because of pirates?
Its's too bad that u are not able to appreciate sony's new handheld Jim. I dont want to accuse you of being a troll but u have since the begining, made the Vita a failure and it hasnt even hit thr market yet. This isnt news Jim, this is a form of trolling by your part.
The PSP Vita... it's a healthy, filtered mineral water or something, right?
Sounds an awful lot like a highly despised Windows OS system too...
Sounds an awful lot like a highly despised Windows OS system too...
@Fugly Duckling
I'd like to be able to give you an answer but judging by all the back and forth I don't even thing Sony could answer that :P
@silversurf1981
Yeah I would site several other gaming and tech websites that have covered this exact same article as proof that it is in fact news .... but I doubt you would stop shaking your "Jimbo be trollin teh Vitaz" stick.
I'd like to be able to give you an answer but judging by all the back and forth I don't even thing Sony could answer that :P
@silversurf1981
Yeah I would site several other gaming and tech websites that have covered this exact same article as proof that it is in fact news .... but I doubt you would stop shaking your "Jimbo be trollin teh Vitaz" stick.
The "but having multiple accounts and sharing the experience is what the home console is for!" argument is severely flawed.
Q. Why would my partner want to play our home console?
A. Because there is a game she likes/is interested in on it. I sign out, she signs in - all her saves/settings are ready to go - mine are unaffected.
Q.She wants to play a portable game?
A. Because it's portable or because she likes the game? Or a bit of both? I can guarantee it's not %100 either way. If she didn't like the game, why would she want to play it - regardless of portability. She could just play Angry Birds (or something she likes) on her phone over playing a game she didn't like, just because it was portable.
But she wouldn't have that choice anyway on Vita - and I'll be damned if I'd let her delete my saves/settings even if she had a 24hr flight!
I'm sorry, but the portable handheld market is bigger than "gamers who travel 1 hour or more per day on public transport". I know I have never bought a portable system purely for the fact that I anticipate a lot of travel. I buy it because there are games I want to play on it. And (I don't think I'm alone here) - from the original Gameboy onwards, not one system have I played more "outside" than I have indoors, at home. Because if I feel like playing a particular game, that's the game I feel like playing, on whatever home or portable system.
If it was 2005, this'd be all cool, no worries. Unified online crossgame accounts didn't exist. But 7 years later, in 2012, when it's been the norm for 7 years (from 360 to Wii to PS3) for a product that costs MORE than most home consoles - it's not cool. Or clever. Or a demonstration of any kind of foresight. There's all this talk of mobile devices taking over the handheld market, and my partner is just as likely these days to take her Android phone for 10 - 15 minutes of transport gaming/escape, as she is to take one of out multiple handhelds these days. Us "dyed in the wool gamers" not so much, but in the handheld market (and also one of the reasons successful handhelds outsell successful home consoles - I mean it's not like gamers buy more of them becuase they're generally cheaper, those extra sales are coming from elsewhere) , success is based so much on ensnaring the "casuals" (and "children") - look at the DS sales against PSP sales.
So - going into this next gen of handhelds, against increasing opposition in the "casual/children" market what's the best tactic? Make it more difficult for "just checking out a friends" potential purchaser/casual gamer to get the "modern" (ie. trophies/unified account/saves/settings) full featured experience (something their iOS/Droid/WP7 device can't offer) - or open up the experience to them? I know we would never have gotten a second DS if my partner hadn't tried Brain Training on my spare save slot. So with saves tied to ID's, where will the enticement to the casual come from?
Throw me in with the lot who can see this failing massively, prematurely, and the last dedicated handheld from sony before the PSPhone becomes their handheld.
6 months from launch - massive price drop
12 months from launch - a slew of 3rd party titles canned
18 months from launch - bundled with PS3 (at a loss)
24 months from launch - 3DS worldwide totals about 3 times PsV. PSV effectively dead. It took the PsP 3 years to effectively die (I can't recall a psp title threatening or coming close to 1 million sales outside Japan in the last 3 years).
Q. Why would my partner want to play our home console?
A. Because there is a game she likes/is interested in on it. I sign out, she signs in - all her saves/settings are ready to go - mine are unaffected.
Q.She wants to play a portable game?
A. Because it's portable or because she likes the game? Or a bit of both? I can guarantee it's not %100 either way. If she didn't like the game, why would she want to play it - regardless of portability. She could just play Angry Birds (or something she likes) on her phone over playing a game she didn't like, just because it was portable.
But she wouldn't have that choice anyway on Vita - and I'll be damned if I'd let her delete my saves/settings even if she had a 24hr flight!
I'm sorry, but the portable handheld market is bigger than "gamers who travel 1 hour or more per day on public transport". I know I have never bought a portable system purely for the fact that I anticipate a lot of travel. I buy it because there are games I want to play on it. And (I don't think I'm alone here) - from the original Gameboy onwards, not one system have I played more "outside" than I have indoors, at home. Because if I feel like playing a particular game, that's the game I feel like playing, on whatever home or portable system.
If it was 2005, this'd be all cool, no worries. Unified online crossgame accounts didn't exist. But 7 years later, in 2012, when it's been the norm for 7 years (from 360 to Wii to PS3) for a product that costs MORE than most home consoles - it's not cool. Or clever. Or a demonstration of any kind of foresight. There's all this talk of mobile devices taking over the handheld market, and my partner is just as likely these days to take her Android phone for 10 - 15 minutes of transport gaming/escape, as she is to take one of out multiple handhelds these days. Us "dyed in the wool gamers" not so much, but in the handheld market (and also one of the reasons successful handhelds outsell successful home consoles - I mean it's not like gamers buy more of them becuase they're generally cheaper, those extra sales are coming from elsewhere) , success is based so much on ensnaring the "casuals" (and "children") - look at the DS sales against PSP sales.
So - going into this next gen of handhelds, against increasing opposition in the "casual/children" market what's the best tactic? Make it more difficult for "just checking out a friends" potential purchaser/casual gamer to get the "modern" (ie. trophies/unified account/saves/settings) full featured experience (something their iOS/Droid/WP7 device can't offer) - or open up the experience to them? I know we would never have gotten a second DS if my partner hadn't tried Brain Training on my spare save slot. So with saves tied to ID's, where will the enticement to the casual come from?
Throw me in with the lot who can see this failing massively, prematurely, and the last dedicated handheld from sony before the PSPhone becomes their handheld.
6 months from launch - massive price drop
12 months from launch - a slew of 3rd party titles canned
18 months from launch - bundled with PS3 (at a loss)
24 months from launch - 3DS worldwide totals about 3 times PsV. PSV effectively dead. It took the PsP 3 years to effectively die (I can't recall a psp title threatening or coming close to 1 million sales outside Japan in the last 3 years).
I still cant be bothered to give a flying fuck about the Vita. All its games look like ASS. I jumped on pre-ordering the PSP on day one and after the raping that the Nintendo DS gave it, I have zero interest in getting one.
Gaming hardware is supposed to have "killer apps" to sell the hardware itself but if you look at the announced games, they're little more than mobile versions of PS3 games, which usually means, less features, more gimmick touch features and a more full experience could be had on its bigger brother console.
At least when the DS launched it had games that truly took advantage of both the dual screen AND touch technology in unique ways that weren't available on any other console. Sure there were crappy ports and shovelware but nothing is immune from that. Not the iPhone and not the Vita.
BIG. FAT. PASS.
Gaming hardware is supposed to have "killer apps" to sell the hardware itself but if you look at the announced games, they're little more than mobile versions of PS3 games, which usually means, less features, more gimmick touch features and a more full experience could be had on its bigger brother console.
At least when the DS launched it had games that truly took advantage of both the dual screen AND touch technology in unique ways that weren't available on any other console. Sure there were crappy ports and shovelware but nothing is immune from that. Not the iPhone and not the Vita.
BIG. FAT. PASS.
haha i love how people make up just bullshit excuses as why they wouldnt buy something that they would really enjoy. oh well, you can keep "sticking it to the man" and not buy it while i enjoy the fuck out of mine. :D
GUYS! GUYS!
Doesn't anybody else notice this in the quote?
"it’s not just a case of switching out memory cards, it’s clearing out all of your saved data on the Vita itself when you do the factory reset."
Let me read that again: "SAVED DATA ON THE VITA ITSELF"
Did Sony just say you can store game save files on the Vita without a memory card?
Doesn't anybody else notice this in the quote?
"it’s not just a case of switching out memory cards, it’s clearing out all of your saved data on the Vita itself when you do the factory reset."
Let me read that again: "SAVED DATA ON THE VITA ITSELF"
Did Sony just say you can store game save files on the Vita without a memory card?
@SayWord
(to use your words, and move them around abit)
I hope you enjoy the fuck out of your "sticking from the man".
:D
(No offence intended, couldn't help it, all those words so close together seemed to read like that to me)
(to use your words, and move them around abit)
I hope you enjoy the fuck out of your "sticking from the man".
:D
(No offence intended, couldn't help it, all those words so close together seemed to read like that to me)
Is this really a big issue? I can't see why I'd want more than 1 PSN account tied to my Vita. Anyways, Sony should just go back to their usual marketing campaign of 'You're not a real gamer unless you have our system..." That seems to work.
@L3ED - If a whole family has iStuff - phones,touches, pads, Macs - then they can share stuff between then, can they not? It might have conditions but its still far, far more an ideal solution to storage than what Sony presently offers.
Had the device had 8 to 16 GB on-board minimum (added cost be damned) it would make the price of proprietary storage a lot easier to swallow.
Sony just doesn't understand value anymore, they've been on a downward spiral the very day they pulled PS2 support from PS3. They really need to step back and take a serious look at what they're doing instead of assuming the worst about everyone that buys their hardware.
Had the device had 8 to 16 GB on-board minimum (added cost be damned) it would make the price of proprietary storage a lot easier to swallow.
Sony just doesn't understand value anymore, they've been on a downward spiral the very day they pulled PS2 support from PS3. They really need to step back and take a serious look at what they're doing instead of assuming the worst about everyone that buys their hardware.
I'm a gamer in the United States who has bought several U.K. PSP games from Squenix, always because they offered DLC that was NOT AVAILABLE IN ANY FORM to U.S. gamers. As I'm sure this "region-specific" DLC fad will not go away anytime soon, this latest news is another reason why the Vita does not interest me.
Sony, I own 2 PSP's, but you can absolutely kiss my ass this time.
Sony, I own 2 PSP's, but you can absolutely kiss my ass this time.
The 3DS eShop doesn't use user accounts, it uses system accounts.
You can switch regions whenever you want and use another store so long as you find a way to fund them independently.
Everything you bought and downloaded will work, regardless of region.
You can switch regions whenever you want and use another store so long as you find a way to fund them independently.
Everything you bought and downloaded will work, regardless of region.
Honestly, I would love nothing more than some investigative piece on how many Sony departments have their fingers in the Vita pie. I'm not saying Dtoid specifically, maybe even an entity outside of gaming news.
I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think it really is something gamers overlook. Over complicating things has been among the primary reasons Sony has had such a decline in the last decade, and why they've been leaking cash for almost the last half decade. Sony has had a real issue when it comes to their departments communicating and working with each other, and I am real curious as to how it plays into the Vita situation. I am rather firmly of the belief that the only real reason Sony is using proprietary memory is because the people who worked on the Memory Stick find themselves having to justify their jobs now that even Sony products are supporting SD cards (something they did not do, to my understanding, until about a year ago).
It just seems like too many divisions within Sony want in on the Vita, and they are complicating something that could, and maybe should, be far more simple.
I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but I think it really is something gamers overlook. Over complicating things has been among the primary reasons Sony has had such a decline in the last decade, and why they've been leaking cash for almost the last half decade. Sony has had a real issue when it comes to their departments communicating and working with each other, and I am real curious as to how it plays into the Vita situation. I am rather firmly of the belief that the only real reason Sony is using proprietary memory is because the people who worked on the Memory Stick find themselves having to justify their jobs now that even Sony products are supporting SD cards (something they did not do, to my understanding, until about a year ago).
It just seems like too many divisions within Sony want in on the Vita, and they are complicating something that could, and maybe should, be far more simple.
The single account thing annoyed me on the PSP and I was hoping it would change for the Vita. Reason being that, for example my PS1 games that I buy on the PS3 can also be played on the PSP, must be downloaded on whatever account is locked to the PSP. That's fine, except when you take into account having multiple people playing the PS3, multiple people downloading PS1 games and Minis and none of those can be played on the PSP unless they are on the account that is locked to the PSP. Sure we can download everything on one account on the PS3, but we shouldn't have to do that. We can't get any trophies, etc. linked to our account.
Seems as if that isn't going to change for the Vita. Ah well.
Seems as if that isn't going to change for the Vita. Ah well.
I'm just gonna say this once:
WHO.
GIVES.
A.
FUCK?
I mean seriously! Majority of the people who are gonna buy this thing only use one account in the first freaking place! You're seriously letting THIS be what decides on you getting a system?
This is why I hate most gamers today, they never stop bitching about every last fucking thing...
WHO.
GIVES.
A.
FUCK?
I mean seriously! Majority of the people who are gonna buy this thing only use one account in the first freaking place! You're seriously letting THIS be what decides on you getting a system?
This is why I hate most gamers today, they never stop bitching about every last fucking thing...
At this point I'm more bothered about how much bullshit and mixed signals Sony is giving to their potential costumers than anything else; I seriously can't understand why people would still say things like "omg the Vita is like, wayyyy better than the 3DS or whatever" or defend Sony after all this. How can anyone even claim that when THEY DON'T EVEN OWN IT YET. All this beating around the bush BS Sony is pulling fills me up with dread.
The whole "one account per vita" thing is manufactured controversy and has been since the first time it was mentioned. Complete non-issue.
The miscommunication, though, is a problem. I imagine it comes as a result of people making statements or answering questions in interviews about things that aren't entirely within their purview. It's, at least in a small way, understandable I suppose. It looks terrible though, especially with this thing launching in Japan like... right now. I really hope this doesn't happen again.
The miscommunication, though, is a problem. I imagine it comes as a result of people making statements or answering questions in interviews about things that aren't entirely within their purview. It's, at least in a small way, understandable I suppose. It looks terrible though, especially with this thing launching in Japan like... right now. I really hope this doesn't happen again.
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