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Well, there ya go. It happened. Hipsters invaded gaming. DON'T PLAY EA'S BUNDLE! TOO MAINSTREAM!
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Well considering indie mean independent then all those games count all they have done is used EA to help them get a game to market and there is nothing wrong with that.
Notch: A guy with a shitty hat who charges $20 for his Javascript game. Said shitty hat wearer also believes that free to play, by its very nature is a scam.
Yeah, ignoring everything he says regardless of it having merit or not.
Yeah, ignoring everything he says regardless of it having merit or not.
Hasn't Steam already had several indie bundle sales in the past? I don't remember anyone complaining about those.
@Aurain: Man, I'm no fan of Minecraft but everything in your comment is either wrong or stupid. For one, Java and JavaScript are completely different.
EA do do some pretty slimey things, but I don't think this counts as 'destroying' gaming, they're just manipulating a label for the highest profit margin. It's just them doing their business thing.
@Excel-2011- So,to maximize one's indie cred, one should insert a speculum into one's mouth (or perhaps shove a melon into it) to aid the achievement of maximum dilation?
I can see that becoming the next big thing...in an ironic way,somehow.
I can see that becoming the next big thing...in an ironic way,somehow.
Normally I roll my eyes whenever an indie guy says something disparaging about the big guys.
But I'm very onboard with this sentiment.
But I'm very onboard with this sentiment.
Panzadolphin56@
He's becoming one of those dudes where he creates one successful game and thinks he knows the industry in and out
He's becoming one of those dudes where he creates one successful game and thinks he knows the industry in and out
Fuck EA!!!! Fuck them up their stupid asses!
Oh yeah, almost forgot! Fuck Notch! Fuck him up his stupid ass!
Oh yeah, almost forgot! Fuck Notch! Fuck him up his stupid ass!
@Aurain ignoring someone regardless of whether or not they have merit makes your more of a douche than the person you dislike.
I think this is a pointless thing for Notch to bitch about. If there's money going to developers, and they still remain independent in spite of the help EA gave them, then who cares if the giant lamprey sucks a little off the top? It's pretentious to blame one company for trying to "kill" video gaming.
If you're going to blame EA, you better blame Activision, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Capcom, and any other entity that actively puts profits over fun. B THAT mentality is what harms video gaming, and only in the sense that it stifles creativity in lieu of "safer" ideas that are guaranteed to generate returns. One single company having a steam sale doesn't show anything other than the fact that EA is paying attention to the business practices of others.
I think this is a pointless thing for Notch to bitch about. If there's money going to developers, and they still remain independent in spite of the help EA gave them, then who cares if the giant lamprey sucks a little off the top? It's pretentious to blame one company for trying to "kill" video gaming.
If you're going to blame EA, you better blame Activision, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Capcom, and any other entity that actively puts profits over fun. B THAT mentality is what harms video gaming, and only in the sense that it stifles creativity in lieu of "safer" ideas that are guaranteed to generate returns. One single company having a steam sale doesn't show anything other than the fact that EA is paying attention to the business practices of others.
So EA releases a Bundle of indie games - like, as Fandango has pointed out, Steam has done several times in the past - and this is somehow proof that EA is "methodically destroying gaming."
...Um, HOW? What is supposed to be wrong with this scenario? Does Notch just believe that "true" indie bundles are one like the Humble Indie Bundle or Indie Gala, where you pay what you want?
Look Notch, I'm not that big a fan of EA as well, but you're going to need a helluva lot more to support your claims (at least in this case) other than your own hatred of EA.
...Um, HOW? What is supposed to be wrong with this scenario? Does Notch just believe that "true" indie bundles are one like the Humble Indie Bundle or Indie Gala, where you pay what you want?
Look Notch, I'm not that big a fan of EA as well, but you're going to need a helluva lot more to support your claims (at least in this case) other than your own hatred of EA.
I agree with Notch that EA is the scum of the Industry, but I disagree that "indie" games are the savior that gaming doesn't even need. gaming is as big as its ever been, saying it needs saving is just living in the past.
From where I'm standing, this is nothing but pointless semantics. Indie doesn't actually mean anything consequential here. If you make a good game,you make a good game, that's it. It seriously should not fucking matter if you are working from an office at a major dev company, or from your mom's basement. Yes indie devs need support, but only IF they make good stuff. Otherwise calling something indie or not really doesn't mean a goddamn thing, the whole "indie street cred" thing is nothing but thinly veiled attempts at being trendy, and getting mad about something being called indie just seems like people trying to protect the exclusivity of their pointless little club.
@Aurain:
"Yeah, ignoring everything he says regardless of it having merit or not."
Well, that's a very stupid thing to do, isn't it.
"Yeah, ignoring everything he says regardless of it having merit or not."
Well, that's a very stupid thing to do, isn't it.
I am the only one who finds it funny that the guy who got people to pay for an incomplete game is moaning about EA exploiting the indie bundle concept?
Sorry, Notch... this one's a stretch. EA is helping promote a bunch of games that are, in fact, indie. Complain about EA if you must, but now we're supposed to shit on them for actually *helping* smaller developers? Other than rolling up and dying, is there anything EA could do that you would like?
If EA had produced an in-house batch of small games and packaged them as an indie bundle, then you'd have a point. But they didn't, so you don't.
Stick to making games. So far, your programming has been much more impressive than your opinions.
If EA had produced an in-house batch of small games and packaged them as an indie bundle, then you'd have a point. But they didn't, so you don't.
Stick to making games. So far, your programming has been much more impressive than your opinions.
This sounds like the late 80's/early 90's alternative music scene. Some big corporate guys are running the big show, then the indie guys come along and upset everything about the big guys, and a few years later the alt guys have ironically sold out just as much as the previous big guys. Notch is a jackass, and minecraft sucks.
I agree 100% with notch. Also I do feel strongly about this issue but I'm really only commenting because carnage.
Why wouldn't EA trying to get some of the indie games they're associated with a little more exposure be a good thing?
If you want a good buzz, take a shot every time the word "Indie" is used here. It's so stupid how everyone fights for "indie cred" now when it all amounts to nothing.
@Chongomaster
Yeah, he got people to pay LESS than the actual game would cost and then gave them the full version for free afterwards. Such a douche move.
Yeah, he got people to pay LESS than the actual game would cost and then gave them the full version for free afterwards. Such a douche move.
@tobbii
Problem with that logic is that he decides how much the game would cost. So saying he's charging less than that is kind of a meaningless statement. It costs whatever he's asking you to pay for it. Verbal gymnastics isn't really changing that.
Problem with that logic is that he decides how much the game would cost. So saying he's charging less than that is kind of a meaningless statement. It costs whatever he's asking you to pay for it. Verbal gymnastics isn't really changing that.
I don't care who the fuck makes my game. Is it fun? Then I don't care if it's indie or if it was shat out of the Activision assembly line.
If they're so slimy why do you keep taking their money Jim? You know for those good reviews you give EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR GAMES
news wrote by the person trying constantly to kill actual journalism - so when can we await another bogus "article" that will be written for hits just like that crap:
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-wants-digital-and-retail-to-be-priced-the-same-226831.phtml
where you flat-out lied and withhold information that completely negate your "point" or how everyone else like to call it: LIE; just to:
- trash Nintendo...AGAIN,
- gain some hits,
http://www.destructoid.com/nintendo-wants-digital-and-retail-to-be-priced-the-same-226831.phtml
where you flat-out lied and withhold information that completely negate your "point" or how everyone else like to call it: LIE; just to:
- trash Nintendo...AGAIN,
- gain some hits,
"Indies are saving gaming", hahaha. Yeah, because cookie-cutter platformers with terrible graphics are better than cookie-cutter first-person shooters which at least have some technological merit, right?
The only advantage indie games have is the fact that they don't rip people off with tons of DLC - FOR THE MOST PART. Shit like Dungeon Defenders and Magicka are doing that.
The only advantage indie games have is the fact that they don't rip people off with tons of DLC - FOR THE MOST PART. Shit like Dungeon Defenders and Magicka are doing that.
Also indie developers tend to spout the dumbest insulting shit on their Twitter and think they can get away with it. You'd think they'd have learnt by now.
So it's not the reams of DLC, the production line approach to development, the soulless consumption of all originality or the crushing of small starry-eyed studios with potential beneath their iron-clad heels that gets him upset.
It's them releasing an indie bundle.
Fucking incredible.
It's them releasing an indie bundle.
Fucking incredible.
Why is everyone hating on Notch? I reckon a lot of people mistake his english as a second language for "arrogance", I seem to notice this when talking to europeans.
Not having a go though, because I deliberately ignore that misconception, but I'm trying to work out all the hate?
EA, well that's a no brainer, EA ruins a lot of things. but Notch... REALLY? I mean, I know the internet can be snarky, but wow.
Not having a go though, because I deliberately ignore that misconception, but I'm trying to work out all the hate?
EA, well that's a no brainer, EA ruins a lot of things. but Notch... REALLY? I mean, I know the internet can be snarky, but wow.
Another day, another indie dev with delusions of grandeur running his mouth. Nothing to see here folks.
I've already written stuff on that topic a few hours ago. I said something about basic incompatibility between any organization and creative freedom and how games like Shank are not exactly indie on any level, et cetera. So I won't repeat myself and just say this:
Fuck EAy, man. Fuck em in the ass! Notch is a cewl dude, Minecraft is hot as a load of fresh cum, while EA desperately sucks an old fucking slimy rotten dick covered in poop.
Shit stains.
Fuck EAy, man. Fuck em in the ass! Notch is a cewl dude, Minecraft is hot as a load of fresh cum, while EA desperately sucks an old fucking slimy rotten dick covered in poop.
Shit stains.
Notch can be a bit overdramatic/overimportant. It's understandable, given his great success, but just because someone's well known and successful doesn't make them right. I agree with Notch that EA releasing an indie bundle seems counterproductive to the idea of independent developers. But on the other hand, indie games need promotion just like anyone else and EA has the tools to do so. For a case like this, where EA had nothing to do with the games (I hope) and is just entering into a mutually beneficial arrangement with their developers, that's okay. It's a little worrisome, but as things stand, there's nothing wrong with it. What would concern me is if EA tries to get its hands onto the developers themselves. That would be bad.
Meh, I agree with him. Ea consumed itself before, it can totally do it again and appears to be on the same path.
The bigger they are...
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